on air? >> alex, that's crazy, i was like, are we really in the east garden and the first lady is there with us to celebrate this? my sister came out, shane thomas and son matthew next to them. in the most exclusive theater i like to say in the country, which is the white house theater, the family theater with 42 seats. she cares about caregivers, she cares about military communities. it was great to see this conversation being had on a national level, which is what you and i did. >> absolutely, i care about you so much for this film as well. thank you so much and best of luck, for all of you, you just gotta watch it. it is called, it's an outstanding documentary called unconditional, airs tonight olympia eastern and pacific right here on msnbc. that's gonna do it for me for this edition of alex witt reports, enjoy your memorial day weekend everyone, my friend yasmin vossoughian continues our coverage. frien >> hey, hey.ughi

, everyone i'm yasmin vossoughian on a very busy saturday afternoon. it's down to the wire as negotiators say they are very close to a deal on the debt ceiling, as talks continue right now. >> i feel closer to agreement now than i did last time before i couldn't see progress. but this is not easy. but that since [inaudible] >> i am cautiously optimistic a deal will be negotiated and the default will be averted, and congress will be called back into session next week. but there's nothing to celebrate here. this is purely a self inflicted wounds. >> we're also keeping an eye on the rare side of the house hearing in texas as well, considering the impeachment of state attorney general, ken paxton. and its fellow republicans leading the charge against him. we also have new information about donald trump on tape. part of the evidence against

him in a manhattan d.a.'s investigation, and it is, everybody, as you all well know, memorial day weekend. the unofficial start of summer. we're going to look at the impact inflation is having on peoples plans. plus, this. >> i am on the record, a very big -- fan, to my daughters. >> over bts shed tonight? >> i'm just -- >> taylor mania at a fever pitch. we're going to take you to the site of the hottest concert tour of the year. that's coming up as well. you do not want to miss that. we want to start, of, course with what we're watching on capitol hill. minute by minute, it seems like things are changing there. lawmakers, the white house say they are getting closer and closer to a deal on the debt limit, with one democratic source telling us here at nbc news, this quote, we are very close but not done yet. we want to get right to nbc's julie tsirkin, who has more on this from capitol hill. what can you tell us here,

julia? where do negotiations stand right now? >> you heard speaker mccarthy. he was very confident, and what a difference a week makes, right? yasmin, when i was talking to you last weekend, he sounded so far from a deal. he said they were not close at all today, after several long nights, including last night, they went into the wee hours of the early morning. they're feeling very hopeful a deal could come together, and it sort of have to. if speaker mccarthy wants the house to take this up on tuesday, as he told reporters this morning. that would be the earliest time the house would vote on it, and if this happens, that means a deal needs to be solidified today. that bill text needs to be available for members because remember, that's one of the concessions mccarthy gave his members, that 72-hour rule to read the bill certainly applies. you will notice the capital is empty of members, but certainly, not of tourists behind the enjoyment this memorial day weekend. but members are back in their districts, and they're going to need some time to get back here as well. so, mccarthy told us they are getting really close. you heard from the white house there. close, but no deal yet. we are all camping outside his

office to see if we can get something in the next two hours. >> what are some of the sticking points at this time? >> it's a great question. look, yesterday sources told me they are eyeing a two-year extension, a lift of the debt ceiling, essentially, that would go past the 2024 elections. that is something the white house is certainly pushing forward. not clear yet if that has been locked in by republicans, but when you get into some of the details here, the biggest sticking point tends to be surrounded work requirements. remember, that would put more restrictions on americans in kevin mccarthy's words, only able bodied americans with no dependents to be eligible for the social safety net benefits like food stamps and other things they are discussing. take a look at one democrat reacting to this today, with our colleague, jonathan capehart. >> i am cautiously optimistic that a deal will be negotiated and a default will be averted, and congress will be called back into session. next week. but there's nothing to

celebrate here. i mean, this is purely a self inflicted wound. if there ever was. one and a mere threats of a default, separates apart from the act itself, is deeply destabilizing to the american economy. it's deeply damaging to our reputation as a country. >> yasmin, tourists who represents part of bronx in new york, is a democrat,, course he went on to say work acquirement turn on the go shovel and it would get death sentence for his district. of course, his constituents awry on those benefits. that's one of the things that republicans call the red line. they get down to the wire here, and we'll see if president biden has caved that, at least a little, when it comes to this issue. >> julie tsirkin for us. we thank. you by the way, we're going to bring any developments on these that sealing the cushy asians as we get them in that two hours ahead. coming up in the next hour, pennsylvania democrat summer lee will join us on what members of the house progressive caucus will accept in a debt limit deal. that's at three p am, eastern, you don't want to miss that conversation. let's talk about this major

political shakeup happening right now in texas. pretty shocking, to say the least. impeachment proceedings are underway for ken paxton, the republican attorney general of the state since 2015. in a highly unusual move, a republican-led committee unanimously voted this week to recommend paxton's impeachment. in the state house, following a monthlong investigation into his behavior. let's bring in priscilla thompson, on the ground for us. she is in austin. what is happening as of now, knowing the vote will be happening today? >> yeah, yasmin. that vote and that debate, really, it's expected to get underway any moment now. we are expecting, i am told, from a number of sources, at least four hours of fiery debate over these 20 articles of impeachment that have been adopted against the republican attorney general, ken paxton. these are allegations of bribery that he is unfit for office. that he abused public trust,

obstructed justice, and many today, and ken paxton hastha called on his supporters to show up here at the capital and to voice their opposition and their support of him, and we have seen dozens of folks who are lined up, waiting to get in, and they are now in the gallery preparing to listen to all of this play out. and it does appear to be causing a fracture in the republican party, with obviously, this republican-led committee voting unanimously to adopt these articles of impeachment. this is a republican-controlled legislations, but at the same time, you see the texas gop, the statewide party, backing ken paxton, senator ted cruz tweeting earlier today, calling this a travesty. so, it remains to be seen how all this is going to play out. i will tell you, we spoke to paxton's supporters here, who are calling this a witch hunt, saying it is politically motivated and what we do now is if the house ultimately voted to impeach today, paxton would be suspended from office

immediately. pending a trial in the senate. yasmin? >> give us the background here, right? let's remind folks what happens with this investigation that led to this point we are at? >> yeah, so, ken paxton has been under investigation since his first term as attorney general. he is now in his third term as attorney general, but the reason this is coming up now is because of a wrongful termination lawsuit that his office settled. it has to deal with several high-level staffers that reported inappropriate behavior, misconduct to authorities, and were subsequently fired. so, in february, paxson's office settled that for three point $3 million, but that settlement would need to be paid out with the state tax dollars. so, this is how all of this came before the texas house, and investigators earlier this week gave hours long testimony,

legging out years of a pattern of misconduct. much of this centering on a political donor of ken paxton's that paxton basically used his office to help that donor, who was under investigation by the fbi, and also facing a lawsuit. that is according to what house investigators have found. now, ken paxton did speak out about this on camera yesterday, a very fiery message to lawmakers here. take a listen to some of what he had to say. >> by proceeding with this illegal impeachment scheme to overturn a decision, made by texas voters, just a few short months ago, the corrupt politicians of the texas house are demonstrating that blind loyalty to speaker dan phelan is more important than upholding their oath of office. they are determined to ignore the law. they have denied me the opportunity to present the evidence that contradicts are politically motivated narrative,

and they are showcasing their absolute contempt for the electoral process. >> and paxton has denied any wrongdoing. he says if the house wants to impeach, he expects there will be a speedy resolution in the senate. he expects that process will be quote, fair and just. yasmin? >> all right, we are going to continue to monitor this situation as well as it develops. priscilla thompson, thank you for that. we are back in just 60 seconds, folks, with new information on the evidence just submitted by manhattan prosecutors in the criminal case against former president donald trump, including a mysterious tape that trump himself apparently stars in. we'll be right back. right back. ♪ music (“i swear”) plays ♪ jaycee tried gain flings for the first time the other day... and forgot where she was. [buzz] you can always spot a first timer. ya know, if you were cashbacking you could earn

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trump. first, we have prosecutors in his new york hush money case. they've informed his attorneys. they now have an audio recording of him and an unnamed witness as part of their evidence. manhattan d.a. alvin bragg's office, new disclosure in a filing later this week. that is coming as the washington post in the new york times poll report that employees of former president trump may have helped move some boxes of papers a day before fbi agents went to mar-a-lago last june. timing that investigators view as suspicious, and possible obstruction as well. we'll get into this with msnbc legal analyst, catherine grisham. thank you for joining us on this saturday. we appreciate you. let's talk first about this audio recording revealed by the manhattan d.a.'s office. we knew right that an audio recording was submitted and revealed by his former attorney, michael cohen, his former fixer, michael cohen. it was between michael cohen and the former president about these hush money payments, right? we don't necessarily know if

that is the same recording that is being referred to in this latest filing by the manhattan d.a.. what do you make of this evidence? what does it mean overall? >> as you said, we don't know that it is. it probably is. this was revealed by mr. cohen, by his attorney, a while ago. and if it is the recording, a recording that took place right before the election in 2016. mr. cohen secretly recorded a conversation with mr. trump about making payments to miss mcdougal. also known as the former playboy model. and how he would pay her off to not reveal what they had in the fair. so, that, we assume, is the audio that was provided to the offense, which they would have already known about because many of us who have been following this case had not known about. that was required for the prosecutor of the new york state law to disclose that. they also disclosed a number of

other recordings that do not involve mr. trump being recorded, but other witnesses or other and identify people. and they also have to disclose that under the law in new york state. you have to disclose everything to the events that relate to the subject matter of the case against the defendant. they require you to do that. especially if they intend to try to get that into trial. i think it's safe to assume that this is the tape that mr. cohen had already released. that defense, of course, will argue because it is my understanding that this does not include the entire conversation that they had that day. they will argue that, of course, pieces are missing are the ones that go to the innocence of their client, but we'll hear that trial. i think this is probably the michael cohen take. >> so, i want to pin from that if we can, over to mar-a-lago and some of the reports are coming out of the washington post in the new york times of that. kind of twofold here, right? what we've been talking about

over the last two days, which is this revelation from the reporting that there were trump employees actually moving boxes a day before the fbi showed up at mar-a-lago. the significance of that. i want to read a little bit more of this recording we have of this as well. trump and aphasia legibly carried out the quote unquote dress rehearsal for moving sensitive papers even before the may 2022 subpoena. prosecutors, addition, have gathered evidence that trump kept classified documents in his office in a place that were visible and sometimes showed them to others, according to these people. what do you make of this reporting from the washington post? that's this really speak to the former presidents knowledge of the fact that he should not have had these classified documents in his possession? and really, kind of overall, intent? >> without a doubt. this is what you call a smoking gun. this evidence, if it's true, the subpoena was issued and

allegedly, boxes removed. so, the way it works is if a prosecutor serves a subpoena on you for documents, and it's called subpoena to just veedum. if you don't to comply, you kyra lawyer. that goes to court, and the lawyer will move to squash the subpoena. if you're way of dealing with a subpoena is to destroy, to change, or to hide the documents, that is a crime. so, yes, it goes to the knowledge. so, if these boxes were move, that recording says they were moved, after subpoena, then it could possibly be a crime. they're hiding evidence that could be used in an official proceedings, these alleged classified documents. that is of traction. yes, it goes to mr. trump's intent. if it was before of subpoena, you could always argue, you know, i didn't know. i thought i could keep them. once you were put on notice, we want these documents, this is a grand jury subpoena, and then you evade that subpoena, you hide the documents, that could be considered a crime.

>> catherine christian for us, we thank you. still ahead, everybody. that sealing the gushy a shuns are getting closer to a deal, it seems. the hardest part maybe ahead as they have to try to sell its two skeptical members of both sides of the aisle. plus, how ron desantis is attempting to out trump trump, if he can, of course. and fans show they are fearless, braving that taylor swift madness outside of met life stadium. >> you are on the phone with your girlfriend, she's upset. she's going off about something that you said. >> i love it! >> she doesn't get your humor like i do. >> that's a good car the. qatar. on the subway app. buy one footlong, get one 50% off in the subway app today. now that's a deal worth celebrating. man, what are you doing?! get it before it's gone on the subway app.

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jersey for tens and thousands of taylor swift fans. last night more than 82,000 attended her concert, the first of three sold out shows in the venue for the arrest or. stubhub saying oh my gosh, you've got to get this. the average ticket is coming for $920! how do all those people have that money for a ticket? that taylor gating, which are swifties without tickets, are getting a stark warning from new jersey police. joining me now with all of the excitement. this is emily ikeda in eastern -- for us. i don't understand people have the money to go to these concerts! $920 it's a lot of money to spend, but i get it. they are swifties, they love her. they are die hards. what's it like there? >> well, we've actually been getting a little preview of the show with some sound checks happening in the background behind me. already, this area is teaming with excitement. they're not allowed in the stadium, yet they have been allowed into the parking lot. so, we were just near the merch

tent, and already, and hours long lines just to pick up t-shirts like this one. i've got not one, but he. you can tell i am pretty committed to this assignment, yasmin. jerseys governor comparing the concert traction and traffic, for that matter, to hosting three super bowls. >> this holiday weekend, taylor mania is taking over the tri-state. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ >> as the superstar and tens of thousands of swifties swarm that life stadium just outside of new york city. >> we love you, taylor! >> fans of all ages are enchanted to be here. >> i am, on the record, a very big taylor swift fans, thanks to my daughters. >> will there be tears shed tonight? >> oh, i almost cried on the way here! >> not even snarled traffic or snaking lines for merch could dull fans excitement, for, my, for now. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ she'll never know your story like i do.

>> friday's concert, sprinkled with surprises. >> new jersey! >> including songwriter and producer jack anton off, and rapper ice spice, featured in the karma remakes music video, draft overnight. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> it's all we've seen fans sing-along outside of previous concerts -- >> ♪ ♪ ♪ officials in new jersey are spreading the words at met life. no ticket, no taylor gating. stirring up some bad blood with fans who couldn't get their hands on tickets, or at least, affordable ones. they get reseller stubhub says taylor swift is the most in demand artist this summer, with an average ticket selling for $920. some seats topping $15,000 this weekend on the secondary site. bianca margaret flew all the way from italy for the chance to see the pop sensation. >> what is the level of hype, excitement for taylor?

>> it's huge. we never saw this in italy, or any concert. never. >> but turnout even more stunning inside the 80,000 seat stadium. not a blank space in sight. as experts say the heiress tour is poised to break the billion dollar mark. >> okay, so, sunday is actually the highest selling night for the eras tour so far, according to ticket resellers stubhub. it was on the website, looking at prices. the cheapest ticket for a single seat. we are talking nodes bleeds, with unobstructed view, is hovering around 1200 dollars, yasmin. for folks like me, i will say, i am empty-handed. fortunately, i don't get to go inside, but i did get access to the march 10th. now, i've got a couple of areas t-shirts. i consider myself lucky. >> i thought for sure you are going to be going to a tailor swift concert, having gotten this assignment. i guess i am sorely mistaken, emily. you seem to be a fan yourself,

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everybody. the texas state capital invested, the data is underway in the house of the weather to vote for the pitchman of ken paxson, attorney general of texas -- coming after months of investigation by a majority republican -- that recommended 20 articles of impeachment against tax, including claims of bribery and abuse of public trust. we are going to continue to monitor this out of texas, and we'll bring you updates as the situation is unfolding. we are also following this minutes by minute battle right in washington to get a deal done with the debt ceiling over the holiday weekend and default

deadline is looming, almost as we all know at this point. nbc -- 's joining us from the white house. ali, we have a democratic source, right? essentially saying a deal is, quote unquote, still possible today. what are you hearing about the president's thinking at this moment? >> yet, yasmin. we know that president is optimistic and hopeful and confident that a deal can be made because remember, before he left to camp david from the white house yesterday, he was even signaling a potential deal could come before midnight. obviously, that didn't happen, so, in the meantime, these democratic sources are telling us that the president remains engaged in these ongoing talks, even from camp david, where he is expected to remain until tomorrow. we did hear speaker mccarthy say a short time ago that he reached out to the white house and this waiting to hear back, notably, we have reached out to the white house asking about that call, having heard anything about it yet. but just the fact we are hearing optimism from both

chides shows us there has been movement. there has been progress on those sticking points that you and i talked about yesterday. those things like work requirements, irs funding from the i.r.a., spending caps and cuts. how long the debt ceiling would actually be extended for, and lifted for. and at this point, there is no indication that a solid deal has been made. it doesn't, remember, have to be any deal just among the small group of negotiators. this has to be a bipartisan deal that these dissociative are confident enough can pass in the house and the senate. it has enough support to be able to pass without any roadblocks, any delays, because at this point, even with that extension from secretary, treasury secretary janet yellen yesterday, now to june 5th us that earliest estimate for a default deadline, there is no room to go back to the drawing board here. definitely, time is of the essence as these talks continue. >> allie raffa for us.

we want to bring in susan del percio, gop strategist who is an nbc political analyst to bring us for us. also, past miss michael, a democratic strategist. hey basil, let me start with you on this one. kevin mccarthy on the record today, essentially saying we are getting pretty close but there is going to be people in my party who are not necessarily going to be happy with a deal. we are not getting everything that we want. and wondering if he's trying to flex a little bit there saying he actually is trying to be, you know, bipartisan negotiating, give it a good go, a good effort. is anybody really going to be happy at the end of the day, on the other side of the aisle, with whatever deal they finalize? >> yeah, i don't think everybody is going to be happy. you're going to have a lot of people who are going to be particularly upset, and to be honest, i'm not sure that kevin mccarthy talk about bipartisan effort actually is a winning message for him and for his party. i think a lot of folks in his party want to see him hold a stronger line, a stronger

conservative line. but i will say this. voters are much more attuned than they ever were on the drama, or the manufacture drama, around these, this debt ceiling. so the question is, who's going to be punished by their party more, depending on the outcome and what either side has to give up? my sense is that mccarthy has a lot more to lose here than the democrats, who generally have been speaking in unison through this entire conversation. >> susan, pick up on that. if you will. because it's all about how long your memory is, right? we are in may of 23. we are pretty far out from 24. there's a lot that's going to happen between now and then. what do you foresee as the political fallout? who is to take the blame, it's not all, will we forget about this in four weeks, if, in fact, we do not have a catastrophic

situation here? >> as long as we meet it, at the end of the day, i think it goes straight by peoples, you know, calendar. it's what's the next issue at hand. however, that one person who knows this could have a huge effect on him, politically, is kevin mccarthy. for his own speakership. how much he negotiates to get democrats on board, which it looks like he will need democrats to support this in the house, because there's too many republicans strong, drawing a line in the sand. let's not forget, he's got four votes he can afford to lose. that's it. that looks like it will be more, so, then on the democratic side, you have a lot of progressives who are not going to vote for this. more importantly is what does it take to get this passed? how angry will, let's say, five, ten, 15 republican house members be about it, because

they could call his speakership in the question. remember what happened last time he tried to get it? it took 15 times! >> yeah. susan, i want to stick with me for a moment. i want to talk to the santa's. i've been teasing this the whole hour, how desantis, it seems, it's no pivoting in trying to out trump trump. he's addressing him, it seems, directly now for the first time and i want to read for you some reporting from vanity fair saying ron desantis is two days away from calling donald trump a radical leftist. in a series of interviews thursday, desantis accused the former president of quote, moving to the left, and opening the door to pardoning january six rioters, seemingly trying to usurp trump as the real maga leader. what do you make of this, susan? >> it's a bizarre strategy, because as long as donald trump is in the race, no one else is going to get trump voters. it's just going to be trump. if you are looking to get those voters who say, oh, i like

policies, but i don't want his package, which i don't necessarily think there are that many of, you have to move to attack trump to get the other non trump supporters, which means, you don't go further right. you try to get the more moderate lane. when you take on donald trump to take on donald trump, head on, and you don't go after this policy stuff, because frankly, desantis biggest disadvantage it's his own political back edge? looking towards general election, he can't get elected with what he's done in florida! >> susan del percio, thank you. battle's michael, thank you as well. coming up, everybody, we've got more. we have exclusive reporting on the efforts within the governor's office of ron desantis, as we were just talking about, to solicit campaign donations from lobbyists. there's some ethical and legal questions being raised their.

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travel on buses and trains are about 20%. air travel up over 5%. you can after last summer's chaos, i had a chance to speak to transfer terri secretary pete buttigieg about what the administration is doing to keep things running more smoothly this year. >> secretary buttigieg, thank you for joining us. it is going to be a very busy travel weekend you look at what happened last. summer, obviously, a lot of folks were worried about what could be in our future. are we ready? >> so far, so good. yesterday, we saw a record, but most air passengers, according to the preliminary data we have seen in any time since before the pandemic. and cancellations or less than 1%. so, all the pressure we put on airlines last year, i want to give them some credit. they have stepped up. they have improved hiring, they've got more realistic schedules. we are a long way from say we are out of the woods or we are fully comfortable, but -- >> let's continue this

conversation with nbc's marissa park, live for us in pasadena, california. marissa, we are seeing some pretty big travel numbers, but when we look at the economy, right? inflation is still pretty sky-high, not slowing. not in that regard. how is that impacting things? >> yeah, so, the impact really isn't a one size fits all answer. all get to in just a moment. yeah, let's talk about the impact of inflation. let's talk about the numbers themselves. when we look at the latest numbers from the bureau of labor statistics, for example, the price of food, the price of groceries, but look at over 7% increase over the last 12 months through april. that, the good news is, it's a little bit less of a steep, sharp increase compared to what we were seeing this time last year. but still, it is more expensive than this time last year. so, listen. regardless of how you're choosing to spend your memorial day, whether you have big vacation plans or planning to make a barbecue and three

friends and families at home, it's going to be more expensive. maybe some of those staples you have at a barbecue for memorial day, like ketchup, a whole dollar more now than it was this time last year. but in terms of the impact, i had a chance to speak to a number of people, including one person who we caught up with a cast station who said yes, these prices are, in fact, impacting his travel plans. are he is willing to do, and not do. >> it's really expensive. i mean, to go do, it cost a lot, a lot of money. i'm not doing any vacation or anything, i mean, if i had to go on vacation, yeah, it would hurt a lot of people. probably, just sitting home like that and drinking, and have a good 200, $250.01 day. that is extremely a lot. as to where a couple of years ago, you could do it for probably half a cost, maybe. >> so, listen. i had a chance to speak with

several dozen people, both at the grocery store, at the gas pump, and it depends on where you come from, where you choose to budget your money. i will say the majority of people i spoke to said the prices were not going to change their plans. they were doing the same thing they have been doing. it's just a little more penny pinching. they feel the difference in the prices at the grocery store, and you said it yourself, yasmin. we were looking at 42.3 million people traveling for memorial day weekend. when we spoke to aaa, the interesting thing here is we are expecting record numbers of people traveling. so, it's certainly not stopping people from taking to the skies and taken to the roads, but people are maybe having to do a little bit more planning and feeling the impact in their wallet as they're doing it, yasmin. you see, it's not stopping anyone from coming out to lunch in front here in california. >> yeah, certainly it seems pretty busy there. why do you, actually, i thought ice coffee go by. it may be a little thirsty, actually. melissa parra for us, thank you. coming up, everybody, at the top of the hour, once a debt

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about the way the police handled this? >> very. >> very frustrated. >> what frustrates you the most? >> they didn't do [bleep] they didn't do anything! >> they were just standing around the whole time. i heard from that they were only trying to get their own kids.

they just left the other case there. >> they went in for their kids and waited 90 minutes for the other cop to do their job. >> you think maybe if they acted sooner, -- would be alive? >> i think everybody would be alive. >> everybody. what >> everybody would be a life. i don't think any of this would've happened, i think -- what have been their job. >> angel, jose, i am so incredibly sorry for your loss. xavier sounded like an incredible little boy. he had a big life ahead of him. >> thank you. >> and i know it's so hard to share with the world your sorry and your feeling right now. but it's also important to tell that story so people know what you are going through, so, i'm thankful that you gave me the time. can i give you guys a hug? i'm so sorry. so sorry. >> thank you. >> so, that is a sample of the heartache that i found at the sites of uvalde, one year ago,

long after the rob elementary school, family seek answers and change. those families losing 19 children, two adults, in that mass shooting. msnbc political analyst and pulitzer prize winner, rhea and hasse, is the correspondent for a frontline documentary premiering tuesday on pbs. it is called uvalde, guns, grief, and texas politics. i want you to watch a piece of this interview she did with uvalde's only pediatrician, and what he saw that day. it's not easy to hear. but it is important. >> so, i get to the hospital. i know something's wrong, because there's doctors and nurses running everywhere. there's a few people that are injured, who are stabilized. there's kids with minor injuries. and then you start to wonder, where is everybody else? so, i asked releases were. all these kids i see here, is this everyone that's here? they're like no. there's some deceased children in that back. so, they took me back, there and that is truly when i

realized the caliber of what these weapons can do to a child's body. so, imagine a child who was decapitated. what else do i have to tell you? >> maria and hasse is joining me now. wow, that is tough to hear. but it the reality of what has happened in this country, not once, but many, many times now at this point. what was your motivation to want to tell this story, maria? >> hey, yasmin. thank you for that interview. so, i am all broken off about a, your own interview. but thing is that, and actually, one year later, we can see the massacre -- the second biggest school massacre in our history, the other one actually is about 20 minutes from where i am now, in sandy hook, connecticut.

i'm in connecticut now. -- it's cutting different. it was on the front page of the new york times, above the, half of that newspaper that was taken up by a picture of this little girl. jacqueline -- gonzales, i'm sorry, actually, that is kaitlan comes outlets with her best friends, jacqui got a risk. jacqui, unfortunately, was killed, and the little girl in the green is caitlin come solace, on the front page of the new york times. because the story of uvalde is one of activism now. that is what we are talking about. it is one of parents demanding accountability. it's a story of texas politics that's actually shut down giving any information sharing, any information with parents. it's what the washington post reported on their front page, which was the people who were involved in the lack of a response, still have not been held accountable. so, all of these things

happening and what immediately called me, yasmin, was uvalde is an hour away from the u.s. mexico border. it's a town that is really considered safe, and then it was a young man, 18 years old, who legally thought this ar-15 and took out kids, who i'm sure he probably knew, because uvalde is this big. what was the motivation he had? actually, it's very hard to understand that. it's very hard to understand why the police did not move in. >> you talked about caitlin gonzales, who lost her friend, jackie. i know you spoke with her a long with her mother, as well. i want to play that exchange for people to see. -- >> tell me more about jackie. >> she was funny. her laugh was funny. she snorted. >> why did you meet? >> she was at a --

and she was by herself, so i asked her if she wanted to play with me. she said, yes. that, we kept talking, and yeah. >> do you talk to kaitlyn about that day? >> i try not to bring it up. but there is just a part of her that has become obsessed in wanting to understand what happened. why they didn't go in when they have the chance. >> that's a very profound obsession for a ten year old to have. >> yeah. but one place she was supposed to have been safe, and she wasn't. >> you think about ptsd, what happened now to her, and years later, as well. how this is going to effect

her. this is now going beyond grieving for so many of these families. >> right. but in this case, caitlin and her mother, gladys, are actually, gladys understands mental health. she understands the importance of getting therapy, the right kind of therapy, for caitlin. and i started hanging out with caitlin in january and she was actually a different girl than the little girl i saw about a month ago, on my last visit. caitlin it's doing intensive emt our therapy, but as to be done in san antonio. even though the governor, greg abbott, promised there would be massive amounts of free mental health care of the best quality, reporting is showing that it's not necessarily true. and when i met with myself in the temporary place they were doing mental health, it was in slices of shipping containers in the back of a parking lot. as somebody who has ptsd myself after september 11th, that's not how you offer therapy. so, caitlin and her mom

vladislav, since the one that these to go into therapy now. she and i have talked about that. the moms need to take care of themselves. the problem, jasmine, is there will be so many who will say, i'm okay. because we function every day. even today, i was taking -- and i said, i really need to do therapy. i'm not okay. i'm okay, but i'm not okay. i'm not the same person after, like you are not the same person after and our country, i think, isn't the same after uvalde. >> i remember after covering you've all the, i came back and i have a regular therapist and we spent a lot of time talking about that. having to cover something like that, especially as a mom, really hits you hard. so, i can't imagine what it is for the people we have to wake up every day and remain in that town, who lost loved ones, best friends, children. but documentary, everybody, after uvalde, to be used tuesday night on frontline on pbs. maria hinojosa,