we even had cheesecake. we did have a wedding cake too, that was a replica of a slider. it was pretty incredible. >> this bakery in scottsdale actually made a hyper realistic slider cake for us, and it was amazing. and then, white castle catered the cheesecake for a whole crowd, and it was just, very nice. >> a lot of fun -- >> while, i'm gonna put some money on the fact that this is probably their first wedding hosted on white castle. you guys go down in the white castle history books. congratulations for you. thank you so much for sharing your story with the world, jamie west, drew schmitt. we thank you. that wraps up this hour everybody. i am yasmin vossoughian. i'll be back tomorrow, to p.m. eastern. symone starts right now. ght now. >> greetings, everyone. you are watching symone. so close, but not there yet.

that is what we are hearing from the white house about debt ceiling negotiations at this hour. house speaker kevin mccarthy sounding more confident now that a deal can and will be reached before the new june 5th deadly. chair of the congressional black caucus, congressman steven horsford is with us to discuss what is at stake. and let's talk about governor ron desantis roll out on twitter, y'all. the florida republican officially announced he's running for president. but there was no crowd, no introduction of the candidate. i mean, it's almost the exact opposite of what you want to do to launch a presidential campaign. plus, three years ago, since george floyd was killed by police, police brutality is still a deadly reality in america today. we are talking to activist tamika mallory about confronting this ongoing crisis. i am symone sanders townsend. and i have something to say. ♪ ♪ ♪

>> a breakthrough or a breakdown? that is what is at stake in the next nine days. that ceiling negotiations between congressional republicans and the white house are continuing over this holiday weekend. and in the last few hours, both sides say they are closing in on a deal. that deadline for one of the u.s. will be defaulting on its loans, and unprecedented economic disaster, is becoming clearer. the treasury secretary janet yellen consistently warning that default could take place sometime in early june. lawmakers have been operating on a june 1st deadline. yellen has now updated that estimate to june 5th. but the urgency of raising the debt ceiling remains. now, a deal is within reach, but we are waiting for specifics. here is what house speaker kevin mccarthy told our reporters just a few hours ago. >> i am not fearful what is in this bill. from what we have been able to

achieve, spend less money, to put us on a better track, that was everything i want. no, it has to pass the senate, and be signed by the president. but i firmly believe, if people sit back and look at this from all angles, they say, you know what? it's a much better thing than what was happening in the past. >> so, what would be we be looking forward, one issue is whether the white house succeeded in blocking republican efforts to impose work requirements for low income americans. these would apply to benefits like s.n.a.p., which as you might know, is food stamps, and temporary assistance for needy felonies, orrtanna, as it usually called. a monthly checks are distributed by the states. here is what republican congressman garrett graves said about calls for work requirements just yesterday. >> democrats right now are willing to default on the debt so they can continue making welfare payments for people who are refusing to work. and i am talking about people that are without dependence,

people that are able-bodied between 18 and 25. >> are you willing to drop that work requirement? >> hell,. no. >> not a chance. >> the white house is adamant releasing a statement, quote, house republicans are threatening to trigger an unprecedented recession and cause the american people over 8 million jobs, unless they can take food out of the mouths of hungry americans. now, if you are at a cookout or a soccer game this weekend, and you started asking folks if they support work requirements for receiving checks that are funded by the taxpayers, it might sound reasonable on surface, right? they might say. but my friends, things are not always as they seem. so, let's unpack this together. last month, the house nearly passed a bill that increases the debt limit but only if it includes crippling spending cuts. this is a bill that is not getting to become law. the congressional budget office estimates that this particular proposal would save 4.8 trillion dollars over the next two years. but how much of that savings is

from work requirements? 100 and $20 million over the next ten years. that is just two and a half percent of that packages total savings. and while some republican members of congress perpetuated myths that legions of people are living comfortably on government assistance without working, adding to the labor shortage. the data does not support that. first, we have record low unemployment. and there is not a single state in the country where that maximum benefits would lift a family of three above 60% of the poverty line. that is according to the center on budget and policy priorities. look, we all. i know the numbers can be overwhelming, so is the bottom line. here's what i'm saying. i am saying that republicans and congress would rather slash financial lifelines to the americans who need it the most, and save more while making sure the wealthiest among us pay their fair share. that's what i call it responsible. joining me now to discuss is democratic congressman and chair of the congressional black caucus steven horsford of nevada.

ratings to you, sir. i want to start where i left off, the debt ceiling negotiations, what do you know about negotiations at this moment? >> first of all, thank you for having me on. i'm here in south carolina in front of the local church where we were leading the launch of our democracy for the people, launched with congressman jim clyburn. and i am so thankful that you started your segments on other issues that are important. because this is about actually making work pay for itself, making sure that people actually can have families sustaining jobs that provide enough pay to cover housing, childcare, transportation. so, instead of republicans holding our economy hostage by not paying our -- raising the debt limit, they are literally risking millions of jobs, more

than 8 million jobs could be lost if we're not able to reach agreements. i hear promising things. i know mr. clyburn had a conversation with the president yesterday. so, i'm hopeful that we will be able to reach an agreement so. but we're just days away and it's time for republicans to vote with democrats on a clean debt ceiling, so that we can save our economy, and prioritize our budget and our spending going forward. >> congressman, let's talk about when the bill, when and if a bill does manifest itself. what would be a red line for members of the congressional black caucus, and also democrats in the house? you, the congressional back aukus, have come out against work requirements, along with members of the congressional progressive caucus, what are some of the red lines here because democrats, it looks like they're gonna have to vote for a bill. >> look, i don't believe in red

lines. what i am for is worth paying for itself. we believe people should have good paying jobs. and unfortunately, as you indicated, we have some major corporations, who not only pay a good livable wage, they literally have people who are in low and jobs, who also qualify for benefits. and i really want to underscore who we are talking about here, overwhelmingly, the people who receive benefits are these children, so are we really gonna take food away from needy children, seniors, and veterans, simply because that republicans want to give their way. so, we are willing to work with whoever on either side of the aisle, and what we are not willing to do is to have our constituents held hostage, or for the budget to be balanced by the facts of the very people that we represent. that is not what the congressional black caucus

stands for. >> congressman horsford, you have just delivered a point that i had not heard from anyone at the white house about who is disproportionately impacted by, you, know these benefits conversations around work requirements. you actually called on president biden to deliver and nationally it with what is at stake in these negotiations. ly it with what is a stake in thehow do you feel -- , has the white house responded to your urging? and then, how do you feel that that white house has communicated either well or not well, with a democratic members of congress. but also, the american people about what's really happening here. >> i have been in touch with representatives from the white house. look, i give credit where credit is due. and i also talk frankly. and what i have to say, i think the president has about ability to use the power of the presidency to explain to the american people what is at risk,

with what the maga republicans are doing right now in this moment. i think it's important for them to know that the different provisions that he has put on the table, in order to find cost savings in our federal budget, republican speaker mccarthy and others want to act like democrats are spending too much. what president biden put on the table in one case was actually a proposal to reduce prescription drug costs, which would save our federal budget even more money, beyond what we are already doing in medicare. and the republicans walked away from that. my simple request to the president's, use the power of the presidency. talk directly to the american people on what is at stake. let them know about the dire situation that republicans are putting us in. we are willing to negotiate, but we're not willing to do is held hostage, or half our

constituents held hostage. >> all right, we are awaiting news on the debt ceiling negotiations. congressman, as you noted, you are in south carolina today. the congressional black caucus is launching that summer of action, in an effort to mobilize black voters. they are going to court ten cities, including many across the south. what can you tell us about this effort, and specifically, you are launching this on the weekend that falls on the third anniversary of george floyd's murder, where the many americans who are -- especially black people across the country, who are dismayed by the lack of action from congress, when it comes to police reform. >> you know, i'm here in charleston, south carolina. it's raining. but i'm here because i know fundamentally what is at stake. and i want to thank the congressional black caucus institute which is actually hosting this democracy for that people, with the leadership of

chairman bennie thompson. we started here in south carolina, because all the great things happen here in south carolina, but it's also because of the historic nature of the issues and the rights that have been won in places like south carolina. so, yes, the congressional black caucus institute and members of the cbc will be traveling across the country this summer, doing three things. number one, helping to educate our constituents about what is at stake with the decisions coming down from that supreme court on voting rights, on affirmative action, on attacks, on fundamental dissidents happening in states, banning books, black history, these are issues that we will not be silenced on. the second thing, we are focused on voter registration, and making sure that every eligible voters knows how much power they have to make change in local state and federal elections. third, we are focused on organizing. talking to local constituents

about what they can do to help organize and build a movement so we have that message to mobilize on the ground. we are here in south carolina, but we will be coming to another city close to you. >> all right, democratic congressman from nevada steven horsford, chair of the congressional black caucus, you are in god's country today. it's south carolina. i do believe south carolina is one of the best places in america. thank you for your time. >> thank you, symone. >> again, folks, we will be monitoring the debt ceiling negotiations. we will bring you the latest throughout the hour. if there is a deal, it will have it here. don't you change the channel. plus, governor ron desantis makes a lackluster, and a glitch announcement of his presidential campaign on twitter. we have some thoughts on his lost opportunity and in my all-star political panel weighing in. but first, richard louis is here with today's other top news stories. hey, richard. >> hey, symone. very good saturday to. some of the stories we're watching for you in high drama, in texas, that's what we're gonna start. with right, now the final hour of debate is underway in a texas house over whether to

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daughter of immigrants. as the proud wife of a combat veteran. and as the mom of two amazing children. >> i grew up on a farm, and learned the importance of family. faith and community. i also learned hard work from

my dad, by cleaning out chicken houses. >> my mom's work ethic taught me that there is dignity in all work. -- >> it's a common saying, you never get a second chance to make a first impression. that goes double when you are vying to be the leader of the free world. you just heard three current republican candidates for president introduce themselves. they give you a little personal story, in a way that directly connects that identity to their vision for the country. then, you have florida governor, ron desantis. >> i'm proud to be a navy veteran, anorak veteran. i revere our services. but when revered services like those in our military are more concerned with matters not central to our mission, whether it's global warming or gender ideology and programs, morale declines and recruiting suffers. >> even without the technical glitches that defined governor desantis's rollout, he fell to

fully introduce himself. we saw no video. there were no photos, no one waving flags in the background. he didn't give us lots of bio or his wife, for running the president. instead, he loved americans to fill in the gaps with nothing but podcast audio. so let me bring in my political panel to bridge this. down eugene scott, senior politics reporter for axios. i've also got to msnbc political analysts, former republican congressman out of florida, carlos curbelo, and republican congresswoman, donna edwards. i i will start with the resident floridian here. -- carlos curbelo, you have my thoughts. i wonder what are your's, do you agree? if so, do you think -- what should governor desantis do to change course? >> while simone, i think your point is well taken. when you are running for president, people not only want to know what do you believe,

what your policies are, what your agenda is. but they want to know who you are. governor desantis did miss an opportunity to share with the american people who he is. what really motivates him? how he grew up. you heard these other candidates, sure, we've heard that many times. and sometimes it can sound cheesy or repetitive. but it's important. people want to know someone who wants to lead them. someone who wants to be the most powerful leader in the world. i think they desantis campaign, they want to make this generational argument versus trump. that's why they went to twitter. that's why they went with this digital rollout of the campaign. but you really do get the sense that they missed an opportunity to humanize their candidate. something that desantis really does need. and to draw more of a contrast with trump. >> congresswoman edwards, i think congressman curbelo makes

an excellent point here. this does seem very online, especially given this rollout. being online, it may be distracts from meeting voters in the early primary states on the ground. governor desantis doesn't do a lot of interviews with mainstream outlets. so folks don't necessarily know hooey is. do you think this was a missed opportunity? >> well i think it was. one of the things that we know is that there is a reason that there is a formula for the way that you introduce a campaign and a candidate. that formula is true whether you are running for a local election or national election. ron desantis actually thought he was defying the formula to make it unique. it turns out that he was actually blowing his introduction, not to the american people. he's a governor of a big state. but mostly voters want to get to know you first. before they ever get to a point

where they make a decision about whether they want to vote for you. they want to know you. i think ron desantis missed an opportunity here to introduce himself, in a very traditional way, but in a way that voters have come to understand. that they meet candidates. the other thing is, he spent so much time promoting elon musk. it was really bizarre. he's a front person for musk and for twitter. instead of being a candidate for president in the united states. >> yes, elon musk and twitter went to great lengths to detail that this was not in fact an endorsement. then elon musk ended up in a campaign video for ron desantis. eugene, when i first met you, we were on the campaign trail. it's when i worked for senator sanders when he first ran for president in 2015. you've seen a lot of different candidates over the years. ron desantis's rollout -- it missed the mark. but he came out, then he did

some interviews. again, with very friendly outlets towards him. fox, he went on ben shapiro's show. he did a very -- newsmax. he did a very conservative radio show the other day. all of these interviews, he's being very sharp with his critiques against donald trump, who is currently the front runner in this race. how do you think that's going to fair for him. then do you think this opens the door for other candidates in this primary to take a bigger swing at donald trump? >> i don't see how many other candidates are going to make any gains if they don't attack the front-runner. that's how this works. right now, we have a say in tim scott or nikki haley be aggressive in their criticism of trump. we might see something coming from to potential governors that are thinking about getting in there. chris christie from new jersey, kristen knew from new hampshire. they've been very vocal in their criticism of trump. we'll see if it works out for desantis. if it does, he'll probably keep it up. he really needs to make some gains. if it doesn't work out, i don't know that he will pivot.

this is what you still need to do to be the front runner. >> -- i guess, one follow-up for you, asa hutchinson, former governor of arkansas who states his campaign came out and said we need to move on from trump. i'm your guy. but we don't hear much about asa. >> he is the most anti trump republican running for trump right now, it's not working for him. -- he has executive experience. definitely a red state. i don't even know. i saw volker's in arkansas, i don't know that that many conservatives in arkansas are on the a side train. if that's even a thing. we'll see what happens. >> congressman curbelo, to me this speaks to one of the biggest hurdles for republicans in this potential -- not potential, in this primary for president. is that with many base voters against the current tree, many people are going to turn out in the republican primary, a lot of them still have an affinity for the former president,

donald trump. >> that's right. that's why you see the desantis campaign finally taking off the gloves that desantis has been avoiding this direct confrontation with his former mentor for a while. he really doesn't have a choice anymore. did he fare, simone, the trump campaign is really worried about desantis. allyhe's the candidate who has e most resources at his disposal. his polling is pretty good for someone who got into the race. of course, we wonder how much he can grow given trump's popularity. but the trump campaign is attacking him all the time, every day. on top of that, donald trump personally despises ron desantis. he thinks he's been disloyal and isn't appreciative enough for the fact that trump did get him elected in the republican primary here in the store -- state of florida in 2018. you can expect those two to keep attacking each other viciously. you know what, that could open up a lane for another candidate, like a nikki haley, like a tim scott, if people get disgusted enough by the trump desantis

wore. >> important point. congresswoman edwards, in the time we have left, i have about 50 seconds at this point. this is the first presidential election post roe. how do you think, we are already seeing the effects of abortion on this congress session that is happening in the primary, how do you think the candidates are handling these very stances as it relates to national abortion ban? >> i think one of the things that you know is that nationally, abortion politics and the majority of the american people are pro abortion. they supported the structures of roe v. wade. while it may not play out in the republican primary, i think all of them are trying to avoid the conversational together. they know that for a general election audience, this is a dead winner for democrats. i think it remains to be seen.

we will figure out, and the american people are going to figure out, who is pro abortion. they are going to be able to vote on their politics. >> we will leave it there. , carlos curbelo, and eugene scott. thank you very much. i had folks, something you may not know about the history of honoring our fallen service members on memorial day. and why that has very special meaning in our current political climate. also, with the vice president told the graduating class at west point today as she became the first woman ever to deliver the commencement speech there. you are watching symone on msnbc. also folks, be sure to join me tomorrow when i'll be joined by actress and color far media cofounder erica shelagh xander. the second reason of run the world just premiered yesterday on star, she's in it. that's tomorrow at four p.m. eastern only on msnbc. n only on msnbc. ary. (screaming)

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point. as president kamala harris spoke to the president -- this memorial day weekend. she's the first woman ever to deliver the commencement address there. the vice president talked about the source of the american military's strength. >> each and every day, americas service members demonstrates extraordinary skill, dedication

to, and discipline. they are willing to sacrifice everything to protect the lives and liberty of people they may never meet. and i believe there is no more noble work that a person can do, than to serve our nation in uniform. >> they are willing to sacrifice everything to protect the lives and liberty of people they may never meet. that means every american. no exceptions. in this memorial day weekend, i think that is worth remembering at a time when some republican lawmakers entire playbook is waging a war on these very liberties. like liberty over your body, just look at the map of states where abortion has been restricted since roe v. wade was overturned. the most recent, being south carolina. which passed a six-week ban before the court stepped in to halt it. or liberty over your own identity, just look at how many

republican state legislatures have now restricted or banned gender affirming care. which has been proven to reduce suicide rates among young transgender people. in fact, the anti-trans rhetoric from the right has gotten so extreme that some people are feeling empowered to take videos of themselves vandalizing target stores. all because they had the audacity to acknowledge the existence of lgbtq people, and put rainbows on display. what about the liberty to learn your on history? don't forget the campaign on the right to erase black history, which is american history from classrooms. that is three is more vital now than ever. because even still, many people recognized the first memorial day, they might not even know the history. the first memorial day was actually may 30th, 1868. the actual first memorial day, the real first memorial day, was held three years earlier on

may 1st 1865. when formerly enslaved black people held at the earliest memorial day ceremonies after the american civil war. it happened on this racetrack in charleston, south carolina. where emancipated men and women saw fit to give a proper burial for the fallen union soldiers who risked their lives for freedom. then, 10,000 formerly enslaved people took the celebration to the streets and held a parade around that racetrack. this is the exact kind of history, painful, difficult, real, true, american history that republicans are trying to erase from classrooms. so this memorial day weekend, folks, it's no longer enough to simply remember our fallen fighters. we must also remember what it was they fill fighting for. coming up, marking three years since george floyd's murder at the hands of police. i will be joined by activist tamika mallory, who has been at the forefront of the fight for justice when it comes to policing in america.

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the tragic murder of george floyd. this week, people gathered in minneapolis to honor his legacy. in new york, one of his brothers, terrence, offered reflections. >> three years. so much has changed. and so much has stayed the same. so many things are still happening. so i just feel like i want to do my part. i can't make it significantly and beyond politicians and stuff like that, i'll be in my community. >> george floyd's murder was the spark that ignited widespread protests among a broad coalition of people, calling for justice and police accountability after so many police involved killings. breonna taylor, ahmaud arbery, the names, that was just that

summer. three years later, the four former police officers found responsible for his death are now behind bars. but significant police reform has been slow. consider that in 2022, it was the deadliest year on record for police involved killings in the u.s.. on the federal level, legislation has been stalled bipartisan gridlock. there have been some small steps at the state level, but it's often after a egregious police killings and protest. which brings me to my next guest, tamika mallory is an organizer and author and cofounder of until freedom. she's been leading the charge on police reform. she was also one of the former co-chairs of the women's march on washington. most recently, supported the tennessee three state legislature. tomika, you are someone who is consistently in the trenches doing the work. i'm wondering what your thoughts are after hearing one of george floyd's brother's

reflecting on these past three years. how do you feel about the state of policing in america? >> first of all, thank you so much, symone, for having me on today. i think what he said is so true. so much has changed, and yet there are so many things that remain the same. i think it's always important for us to acknowledge that there have been winds. you talked about in your intro, that there have been changes on the statewide level. in some places across the country, actually over 100 cities, local governments, have passed some type of change. some type of reform in their particular cities. that is good. we want to make sure that we always celebrate how hard we work to ensure that there is some shift in terms of the power dynamics in this country. however, it is not something that we can celebrate and sit down and stop working on. because we still see too many

people dying at the hands of police on a daily basis. and, we have to constantly talk about the abuse that takes place, that is not on camera. so many people are addicted, if you will, to the trauma that plays out on our cell phones and our hands every day. we don't realize that there are people who may not actually perish, it may not die as a result of an interaction. but they still are suffering with very serious police abuse. that has to be addressed as well. >> tamika, along those lines, there is a new study that shows that what you just described, these videos of -- seeing these videos of black people shot and killed is wearing us all down mentally. researchers actually found a correlation between police killings of unarmed black people and a rise in depression related e.r. visits among black people. then a poll found that more than half of black adults

report feeling ongoing sadness, anger and fear about police violence. i think this could lead a lot of people to say that they've lost hope. what do you say to those people who have lost hope? >> i think we all have those moments. when we don't feel like we are winning. you take steps forward, then you take steps back. as hard as we were out there in 2020 on the streets, fighting for there to be change, for there to be reform, i don't believe that reform is what we should actually be looking at. i think we have to talk about overhaul. a policing overhaul. there has to be significant changes in the ways in which policing operates in our nation. and more of it has to have local oversight, which means that the local community has to weigh in more on what is happening with their local police departments. too much of that is not, at this point, that is not the way

this country operates. a lot of stuff happens in secret. a lot of things are happening as a result of a police department, and the elected officials, particularly a mayor, working together behind the scenes. sometimes they say they don't, but we have findings that show that there is not enough separation between local district attorney's, the mayor's office, and the police chiefs. we need to have more local oversight so that people who live in communities can determine who they want to govern them, how they want to be governed. i think when you have people feeling like they are involved in the process, they may be able to restore some level of hope. we all have these moments when we have extreme despair. especially when you see that an 11 year old child can still be shocked after calling the police in his own home. by someone who is supposed to arrive and protect him and his family. it is definitely tiring. even i, as an activist, as an

organizer, and as a leader, get tired. but i know that, unfortunately, i can't stop. because at the moment that we put down the mantle, that we stop this fight, too many of us will be in danger. we are already in danger. but to do nothing puts us even in more danger. >> tamika, i was looking for my plate. i grub app just, when people start preaching, i passed the plate. i really hope that people hear you. the news sometimes, particularly when it relates to this issue of police brutality in america, it can seem so heavy. but folks have to continue to press through. because participation is the only thing that creates change. it's very good to see you my friend. happy birthday. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> up next, folks, we are going to bring it up a bit. it's time for the regroup. we are going to spill all the tee under the sea. that's right, the live action little mermaid, it's officially

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y'all. this is the time of the show when we turn to our culture clinics. -- it is finally here. the premiere of disney's action little marais. this is a significant moment, when it was first announced that a black actress would play erielle. some folks were up in arms about a black mermaid. but this weekend, little black or's across the country are finally getting to see themselves under the sea. and are going to theater stressed as disney princesses. this adorable video was shared to us from one of our senior producers, brittani, who took her children on opening day. so cute. last year, i actually had a chance to speak with the little mermaid herself. , halle bailey, about this full circle moment. >> i think i'm just most excited for people to finally see. it we grew up in the water. we used to play mermaids, like every other little girl. it's cool. >> it's a full circle moment. >> yeah. >> let's bring in our cultural critics, nina brown, is the

co-host of the nationally syndicated frank ski show. and donny meacham is the host of pop crush nights. let's talk about the movie. it's already killing it at the box office. this little mermaid is actually on track to be the holiday's fourth biggest opening of all time. nina, it looks like the far-right folks lost this one. >> yeah, as you said, it's finally here. the anticipation leading up to this moment has been huge. i know there's been a lot of controversy, but even more than that, there's been so much excitement about the reimagine asian. the recreation. and seeing halle bailey do it, what a perfect person to put in this character. i'm excited. i grew up watching the little mermaid with my little sister. i'm excited that now i get to enjoy it with my four-year-old son, who knows nothing about the original. but we get to create memories. i don't have a little girl i can dress up, but he gets to

see himself just to see another brown person on screen. and just to know that the sky or the c's the limit. i'm here for it. i'm so excited. >> donny, i actually went to see it last night. mr. townsend did not go, he can't make it through the movies, he told me to enjoy it myself. i loved it. i think everyone should go see. it what is your take on this remake of a classic? >> i saw it as well. it's not as cinematic masterpieces, it's about a girl willing to risk it all for a man, which is relate-able. i get it. it was fun, and it was beautiful to see. the fact that young black kids got to see themselves was so beautiful. i can almost guarantee, not one white kid in that theater walked in and went, wait, why is aerial black? it was just all this hoopla leading up for nothing. then the movie is out. it's a beautiful movie, that's going to make 100 and $30

million. >> donny, with a drag for disney and their early plots. i want to turn now, y'all, i want to turn to some heartbreaking news. when i heard it, i couldn't believe it. i am talking about the passing of the queen of rock and roll, tina turner. who died this week in her home in switzerland, following a long illness. she was 83 years old. tina turner's career spanned more than 60 years. when a grammys, and was inducted into the hall of fame, not once but twice. she was known for hits like proud mary, then an extraordinary career with private dancer. of course, what's love got to do with it. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tina turner had an impact on

multiple generations of fans. here's a little throwback of me in college performing proud mary for our black student associations fund-raiser. i'm one of the -- on the far left. tina turner, yes, you see me. we are moving honey. >> i see you, girl. >> she was like a personal inspiration to me. she was simply the best. nina, can you just talk a little bit about what her impact, the impact of her music and, frankly, her personal story, what that really meant to people? >> you said, it symone, her personal story. how many people can you say actually owned their life, their pain, their trauma, the way tina turner owned hers. she used that pain and that trauma to truly inspire generations through her music, through her movies, just through her transparency. that is so special in itself. 83 years. she lived.

that is the thing that we all hope to be able to say when it's all said and done. i think tina turner did a remarkable job. i know former president, barack obama, said she's raw, she's powerful, she was unstoppable. i think we will miss her. we will miss having that type of, that type of person. she was bigger than life. she will be missed. >> donny, i completely agree. tina turner was a once in a generation talent. i actually re-watched her documentary the other night from 2021. she talked about her life story and how so many people, even after she achieved all the success, wanted to continue to bring up her former husband, ike. not talking about this new place where she was. you have the last word on this. the reason we had tina turner for so long, she needed a kidney a couple years ago, her current husband gave her his kidney. >> okay. >> i mean, donny.

>> tina had the last laugh. she died, it's a 76 million dollar home in switzerland. i think tina ultimately had the last laugh. she inspired a generation, a black woman in rock music, that's unheard of. she did it. she inspired oprah's wigs for years. those legs, i questioned my own sexuality when i was looking at her. embracing her sexuality. she is unstoppable. >> unstoppable. donny meacham, nina brown, sank y'all very much for paying tribute to the queen of rock and roll herself. long live, tina turner. thank you folks at home for watching symone on this saturday. -- you can catch me right here weekends at four p.m. eastern on msnbc. or over on the peacock where i have new episodes every monday. politicsnation with the great reverend al sharpton will start right after this break.

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