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answer. so let's get started. a debt deal, but not a done deal. president biden and house speaker kevin mccarthy strike a lead by compromise to avoid a catastrophic u.s. debt default. but there is still a lot of work to be done before wednesdays house vote. we are live on capitol hill with the latest. plus, impeached, in a history making vote, the gop-controlled texas house impeach's embattled republican state attorney general in election denier, ken paxton. we have his response to being only the third sitting official in texas history to be impeached. and later, a family affair. we wrap up aapi heritage month with the inspiring family whose military service spans generations. all of this and more is coming up. and a good sunday morning to you all. i am katie phang.

we start today's show with the breaking news. president biden, house speaker kevin mccarthy, and their negotiators have reached a tentative agreement late last night. to raise the debt ceiling to dodge a debt default for the first time in united states history. now here is what speaker mccarthy had to say, just minutes after the late night deal was made. >> this is an agreement in principle that is really of the american people. it has historic reductions in spending, consequential reforms that will lift people out of poverty into the workforce right in government overreach, there are no new taxes, no new government programs, there was a lot more than the bill. >> a source familiar with the agreement tells, us it includes a two-year appropriations deal. and a two-year debt limit extension. the deal will also expand work requirements for food stamp recipients up to 54 years of age, but there will be no changes to medicaid. in a statement, president biden says the agreement, quote, represents a compromise which

means that not everyone gets what they want. that is the responsibility of governing. nbc news, capitol hill correspondent julie tsirkin joins me live now. julie, i know you've been locking some hours there waiting to see what happens. speaker mccarthy is saying that we could get a first look at the text on thursday ahead of the house vote on wednesday. but what are you hearing on capitol hill from lawmakers about this tentative agreement? >> katie, in many ways, the hard work is really going for president biden and speaker joe mccarthy. they have to get their members night trying to swallow and vote that everything the two leaders agreed to. it really came down to the wire. it was of course,, here all day yesterday, and while the note, i was talking to the members of the conservative house freedom caucus after the all-member republican call last night were speakers mccarthy fielded many questions. the call lasted roughly 45 minutes, and some conservatives are already balking at this agreement. we've seen reaction from some of them, saying that this deal

does not save as much as they want it to. it does not save as much as the house republicans passed in their plan. but mccarthy countered that, he sat on the call, according to sources, i spoke to that this is the best that they could get, the democrats in the white house are the ones who had to make concessions. and he really took this as a win. another republican i spoke, to a close ally of speaker mccarthy, he says it will help republicans chances of winning a 24. he told, me, quote the only thing that democrats -- the republicans can see the two democrats in the white house is that they are increasing the debt ceiling. but, remember, members will have three days to read the text, 72 hours, once the bill is posted today. that is what speaker mccarthy said. the earliest they could vote is wednesday, even after if and when the house passes this bill this, week it will have an uphill climb in the senate as well. just a couple minutes ago, sandra lindsey graham, tweeting that what he's hearing out of the deal, which again, we don't have text yet, so things makeshift, is that this will

not adequately funded defense spending. that is interesting, because it is one area that republicans did say they want to increase spending on. democrats, holding the line to make sure that spending stays consistent with this year's spending levels, graham, saying they will not allow it to, fault but is not post to vote for a bill that does that. so a lot of open questions here to see how the numbers turnout. i was told by one republican source they're looking to lose as many as 40 members. but, remember, democrats are going to have to support this thing as well, and tonight, at 5:00, they are going to hold a virtual call with the white house to try and see if this is something that they can support. but >> julie tsirkin, thank you so much for starting us off this morning, we are going to look for those deal terms later, today. in the next hour, on msnbc, we are going to continue our debt ceiling conversation on the sunday show, with jonathan capehart, where he is going to welcome the deputy director for the national economic council for rob, robin marti. and jonathan will also have congressman james clyburn live. that is coming, up nine, am eastern, right here on msnbc.

>> florida governor and now gop presidential candidate ron desantis is gearing up for a campaign blitz in a high three stakes states. he is visiting, iowa, new hampshire and north carolina this week. but today, he's in tallahassee, where he will host veterans at the governor's mansion for memorial day weekend. meanwhile, more controversy for the guy trouncing him in all of the major polls. no surprises here, donald trump is closing up to the saudi government by hosting a saudi-backed golf tournament near d.c.. but rhonda santas thinks he's trying to separate himself from the kind of controversy that surrounds donald trump, he is not off to a great start. new exclusive report from nbc news reveals that desantis's administration, not his campaign, and i want to emphasize this, not his campaign, has been hitting up florida lobbyists for donations for his presidential bid. this is while the budget is still pending to be vetoed by rhonda santas. joining, now former florida congresswoman, debbie carlson powell. debbie, it is so good to have you here. really quickly, student, your

thoughts on this debt ceiling agreement. >> there was no deal until it passes the house, correct? but i think that president biden has a huge victory here to be able to bring kevin mccarthy in, which is the leader of the bloodstream caucus in the house of representatives to reach an agreement and he's been able to do that time and time again. he passed a bipartisan infrastructure law, he passed the bipartisan safer humilis act, but remember, this is their constitution, judy. they have to pass a debt ceiling deal. and i think it is gonna be huge for mccarthy to bring that caucus together. i've already heard rumblings on twitter from those extreme members that they are not supporting the deal. but the democrats support president biden, which i know that they will, and they are able to obtain a vast majority of the house republicans, i think that we are in a good place, right now. >> let's switch gears, and let's talk about our home, state florida. but also desantis who has higher aspirations. >> i want to stick on this nbc news reporting, because that's what bothers.

the idea that rana santos is using his members of administration, and again, while i noted the budget approval is still waiting in terms of the item by rhonda santas. these people are hitting up lobbyists in asking them for donations to his presidential campaign. how unethical is it. >> completely unethical, and i think there will be lawlessness involved as well. i can tell, you when i was in congress, there was a very clear line. you cannot use your official position to raise money for your campaign, it what happened? desantis, right before announcing, passed a law here in the state of florida that allows him to remain in office. he's doing it just for himself that he can run. he is using the governor's mansion as a pulpit to be able to launch that presidential campaign, and immediately, we are seeing that there is conflict of interest for his official staffers to be texting lobbyists to contribute to a political campaign. and they even haven't passed the budget yet. so it is a very, very unethical

situation for the governor at this moment. so that's why we've been seeing, this time, and time again. he is definitely someone that has been influenced by money. he is a paid play type of governor. we saw during covid, if you remember, there were huge donations from certain communities. and they were the first ones to get access to the backseat. >> that's right. >> and then they were also promoting one of the antiviral medications for covid, and it turns out to be one of his largest donors. so again, there is history behind that. he is someone that is really just acting in the interest of this campaign contributors. so, really not in the interest of florida families, here. >> let's talk about some important numbers. in 2022, desantis won 50% of the latino vote in florida, and he was the first republican governor in 20 years to flip. miami-dade county. is predominantly hispanic in miami-dade county, so do you think though, desantis has the upperhand to translate on a national level for the latino's national? >> i will push back a little

bit on that, katie. and i will say that i don't think he won new votes in 2022, i think our base did not come out to vote. and if you look at what happened right before the election, he passed voter suppression laws. he had this huge press conference or he was announcing that people were arrested for voting. if you remember, the election police. this was weeks before the election. so there are a lot of signs that he pulled to suppress that vote. and what was the result? a lot of people stayed at home, especially latino and african americans in miami-dade county. you see the numbers, it's extreme, he's an extreme republica maga republican, pushing an extreme agenda. and we see that floridians already not accepting that extremism. it will not help him on the national stage. he stumbled when he announced his candidacy, but we have to be careful. because at the end of the day, he does pose a real threat to our democracy and our freedoms. this is a man that has been embracing total control, total rule, we see this in communists

and radical regimes like cuba, and venezuela, he is following that playbook. so let's not relax just yet. i do think there is a lot of time left before the election in 2024. he is a lot of money, there are a lot of multi billionaires that are backing his agenda. so we have to be where of what is coming from the desantis camp. >> i've got a minute left. but i did want to ask you, what does it tell you that donald trump is going to be doing a town hall that is going to air, it is going to be on fox news, after fox got tagged with the 787.5 million defamation settlement for promoting the big lie about the 2020 election. you know, a big part of trump's his megaphone, his ability to get out to supporters, like pence. he's going to have a cnn town hall. what does it tell you that there are media outlets that are providing platforms for potential gop primary candidates to be able to get out and then just sell their wares, i guess? >> it is so extremely dangerous,

katie, that they are normalizing the former president that was impeached twice. someone that incited insurrection in our capital. it was actually a self attempted coup of our government, that he could remain in office. and they are acting as if it is business as usual, process as usual. no. we are on, really, the last line of defense here for our democracy, and our freedoms. it is extremely dangerous. it doesn't surprise me, right, i think fox is doing it for the hits, for the power, for the money. and we will see what happens. but i think americans need to be very, very, weary of all of this. we cannot normalize directions. we cannot normalize political violence. it has to stop. >> florida congresswoman debbie mccaskill powell, it is so good to see, you thank you so much for coming back, we have so much to talk about. >> thank, you. katie >> quickly, we will turn to texas. the impeachment club, it has a new member. republican attorney general an election denier ken paxton, joining his body, donald trump,

for the dishonor. paxton is temporarily removed from office ahead of a state senate trial. the 121 to 23 vote in the gop-controlled state house was overwhelmingly republican. the scandal plagued paxton is accused of misusing his office, retaliating against rivals, and accepting bribes. in a statement on twitter, paxton blasted the impeachment, calling it an ugly spectacle, and a politically motivated sham. where have we heard that before? a senate trial that has not been announced yet. here is an interesting thing. paxson's, wife angela, she is a two term republican state senator who could vote on his political faith. coming up, we are going to have more on the tentative debt ceiling deal, plus, special counsel countdown. jack smith's investigation into the classified documents found at mar-a-lago seems to be wrapping up as new evidence of his state of mind is uncovered. we will explain it all, after the break. ain it all, afte the break. the break. test

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documents last june, according to people familiar with the matter. more details say that trump might have to show those classified documents to other people. nbc has not verified that reporting, trump has denied all wrongdoing. as a sophistication appears to get closer to indictment finish line, one of the main questions as whether the special counsel finally has enough evidence to bring obstruction charges against ex president. exclusive reporting for my next guest might have that answer. joining me now on is to go, low

political investigations reporter at the guardian. hugo, good morning. you broke a story this past monday that the doj now has no almost 50 pages of them. from trump's lawyer, who is moralizing his client donald trump being warned that it was illegal to obtain illegal documents. explain to our viewers the significance of those notes. >> it's significant because -- basically road how he had told trump that he couldn't retain any classified documents after he had received the subpoena, and that he was basically informed of his subpoena investigations. when the subsequent failure to comply with the subpoena emerges, and makes you look at that response in a different light. and at the thing that stood out to me that got turned over to the grand jury this year after the attorney-client privilege was pierced is a timeline for prosecutors to examine, because at the heart of this

obstruction investigation is kind of trying to find if there had been an instant where there might have been moments or trump could've arranged for documents to be moved out of the storage from where he knew that had been cork in researching, and to hide them, because he wanted to obtain these documents. there are various moments that might speak to that, including one -- would take breaks during his search by walking out to a nearby pool area. >> hugo, there's also something you noted in your reporting, that there are gaps in the surveillance tapes, the surveillance recording at mar-a-lago during this timeframe. you, know the father in the sun, security folks, they actually were interviewed by jack smith in this instance. were you able to kind of piece together this idea that perhaps there were, i, gas opportunities, times that trump could've had somebody come in and actually remove some of these classified documents? >> you know, we don't know where the gaps in the surveillance tapes are. we don't know how they map onto

the times that -- wasn't in the storm conducting a search. certainly, the two calamari's, the junior and senior, security chiefs at the trump organization, did testify about this surveillance tapes, and why they might have been gaps. we understand that they did not, you know, -- but they did have to answer about their text message that trump's valet sent to calamari sr., which was basically saying, call me, when the trump organization wants a subpoena for the surveillance tapes. when you look at all this, it's scenes to indicate that there might have been obstructive content. we don't know how this maps together, but when you look at it together, you can see with the special counsel so interested. >> putting together the pieces of the puzzle, hugo, there is a name that keeps popping up. you just mentioned it a second ago, walt -- personal valet for donald

trump. he, himself,, participated in the moving up some of these boxes. we know that not a's purportedly, allegedly, not cooperating, not doing anything with jack smith as this instance. and what you know, and have you've learned, do you think it's critical that jack smith actually gets this cooperation in the sense, to be able to prove the friction in this case? >> i think it depends. it depends on what the special counsel has. we know the special counsel has a lot of eminence of kind of working on what's going on around this, time what's transpiring to mar-a-lago, well the search was unfolding. they subpoenaed the -- they subpoenaed the assistance assistant. they have basically everyone in mar-a-lago. it might be that ultimately you need more -- to say, yes, they knew that they were classified documents, and that was why trump ordered me to move them out of the storage ground, so that -- wouldn't find that when he was trying to respond to the subpoena. it might not need that to get to the threshold of bringing an

indictment. there's so much other potentially damning evidence, and a lot of different resources. i think it rarely rests on one witness, and i think in this case, it's exceedingly unlikely that they will cooperate unless he's also part of a wider conspiracy. >> you go, one thing that popped up to me from your exclusive reporting was this idea that trump had classified documents, and materials, within his personal spaces but, he also had them just hanging out, and that he was allegedly showing them to other people. there's been a lot of chatter about how potentially damage that could be, depending on what those classified documents held, but there's a reason why they're classified. how much did you learn in your investigation in terms of these documents with other people. we reported last year that they were some of the most highly sensitive documents and found in his office. the washington post reported

about how prosecutors seem to have evidence that trump was showing highly sensitive documents to other people. that's really interesting, because that's the kind of move that a prosecutor looks for when prosecuting -- of title 18, which is the explanation act. the first is will form retention. we'll forward tension is very rarely charged, and i think with prosecutors, that was the only thing they had, my concern -- if they have evidence that trump was showing, people and in the second part of that clause, which is willful transmission and dissemination, that changes the game entirely. that is the sort of thing that they would charge. that is really concrete evidence that trump has a lot of problems. >> you go, i'm out of time, but you are the de facto -- as far as i'm concerned with your reporting an investigation. you can be a part of this game that i play.

when do you think the indictment is going to come up for the mar-a-lago documents case from special counsel? >> i can give you a really obvious answer which is, it depends. if the special counsel wants to do this, i think he probably does it before the georgia indictments come in, and that case. we know that with the district attorney is looking at the first few weeks of august to bring attention maybe against trump, maybe against others. there is now a window of time between then and the start of august, where would make sense for federal prosecutors to go first. maybe the january six cases not ready, maybe the documents case was ready, but i think we'll see a charge nina station in the weeks ahead. >> you have to hear, are i january, as special counsel -- before fulton county, which i know is the end of july, beginning of august. hugo lowe, thank you for being here. next, they say everything is bigger in texas, including a

lawsuit against planned parenthood. get this, 1.8 billion dollars. will this lawsuit be backed by the now impeached ken paxton, what's his uncertain political future, what could it mean for this case? this is after the break. you're watching the katie phang show. e phan show the other day... and forgot where she was. [buzz] you can always spot a first timer. we're talking about oxi bocashbackin.reze.

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ultraconservative texas federal court judge, michael kacsmaryk, is being sought out, again, by the far-right. fresh off his attempts to remove the abortion pill from the market, he is set to have a baseless lawsuit against planned parenthood. and anonymous antiabortion group is alleging the planned parenthood, and its affiliates in texas louisiana, engage in a scheme to defraud -- will be ordered to pay up to 1.8 billion dollars in fines and penalties, which would ultimately bankrupt planned parenthood federation of

america, what unites the local affiliates, and would also end up eliminating the affiliates in texas and louisiana. joining me now, senior correspondent and fox and delhi 's air. before we go into this lawsuit, just quickly, i want to ask you, what are you hearing from your sources about this tentative debt ceiling deal? >> i don't know that i'm hearing anything that hasn't been publicly reported, but it looks likely that it will pass. there will always be some knots in the republican caucus who won't be satisfied unless they get to personally take the cereal bowls away from hungry children, but even jim jordan, who's kind of a thought leader within the freedom caucus is saying that if the gop has said some things towards the steel, ultimately, i think it's going to pass. >> ian, i appreciate that. let's pivot and go into detail about the claims made in this lawsuit from your reporting for fox. i want to read this for our

viewers here from your piece. and 2015, louisiana tempted to terminate planned parenthood as a state approved medicaid provider, meaning that it could no longer provide health services to medicaid patients and be paid for the services by the state. texas attempted to do the same in 2017. both of these efforts to cut off planned parenthood medicaid funding were blocked by federal court orders, so planned parenthood clinics in, this is what's, important right? these planned parenthood clinics in texas and louisiana continue to operate as normal, while those court orders work and effect. and, this new lawsuit, it's basically saying that if you comply with the court order, a federal court order, that you are guilty of defrauding the state medicaid programs. why isn't the plaintiffs in this case already looking at sanctions for bringing a frivolous and baseless lawsuit? yeah, i think this case were being heard by virtually any other judge, it would've gone. and i would've been dismissed in a motion to dismiss by now. the reason this lawsuit is still going is matthew --

it is before the antiabortion judge, the same judge who tried to ban -- the plane's legal theory here is that planned parenthood broke the law when it complied with a federal court order. planned parenthood could be forced to pay back not just money for services it already provided to medicaid patients, but ludicrous amounts of penalties. you know, the penalties are many million times greater than the actual amount of money that planned parenthood collected here. this is just an attempt to go after this organization that, obviously, antiabortion groups don't like, and to use the fact that they had this very antiabortion judge to kind of get it. >> yeah and, let's talk about how much of a rock at this is. this lawsuit is being brought to the false claims act, it allows private citizens to sue on behalf of the government to obtain money obtained by way of fraud. there's no fraud here, but, if

this plaintive is successful, they can recover as much as 30% of that money. that money would go into his or her pocket. that sounds like the true motivation for this lawsuit, putting aside the antiabortion settlement, the money seems to be the true motivator here as well. yeah, this looks more like a muggy more than a real lawsuit. if the plaintive wins here, they get a huge cut abets. the theory, again, the theory is that planned parenthood defrauded the government. there are lots of claims brought against health providers under the false claims act. normally, what those claims look like as you have a health provider that has been lane, or in some way deceives the government and bills the government for services it did not provide. in this, case everyone agrees the planned parenthood's bill the state of texas and louisiana for services that actually provided to patients. the only thing that's different from any regular cases that

texas and louisiana wanted to give the medicaid out of its program. it wasn't able to because it was under a federal court order, and now this lawsuit claims that it since the federal order was especially lifted, retroactively, planned parenthood has all this money for services it already provided. >> even mill has there, sadly, i'm out of time. come back when we see some progress in this -- so we can break it down even more. i also want to harp on the matthew kacsmaryk angle, this shopping thing blows my mind, how the activists right just goes after an activist judge in the -- activists judges beings. abide ian mulhauser from fox, thank you for joining me. >> thanks, katie. >> and just half an hour, right here on msnbc, we're going to go in-depth on the debt ceiling conversation on the sunday show with jonathan kaye part. he will welcome the deputy director of robert murray, jonathan will also have

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gop led book vance sweeping across the country as noted poet, amanda core. and she read her palm, the whole decline of president biden's administration. now, the school district has decided to restrict up homily to middle school students. that kind of restriction on literature is becoming a national trend for right-wing and anti-book activists. a new p.e.n. america report found that just in the past six months of 2022, 848 individuals were affected by book bans, including 688 different authors, 155 illustrators, and 11 translators. this organization expects the list to nearly double by the end of the school year. joining me now is -- a new york times bestselling author and poet, whose book of poetry is among the most banned

works in our country. we'll be, thank you for joining us this morning. you are critically i came 2014 book of poetry, mcgahn, honey feature poems about trauma, law, femininity. it was inspired by your own experience with sexual assault and gender based violence. now, you have the dubious honor of being tied ninth place with tony morrison is the bluest eye for the most book bans, according to this pen report. i mean ruby, what kind of impact of these book bans going to have on young readers who are looking, maybe, for comfort, or a place to learn about what they might be going through themselves? >> yeah, i mean, i started writing milk and honey as a teenager, and i ended up self publishing at a 21 years old when i was a pro college students, and it is largely about sexual assault, how to heal from that, and learn to love your body after it's endured abuse. what i found is that this

experience is so universal. this book has gone on to become the highest selling book of poetry of her. what that tells us is that these painful experiences occur often. we know that 82% of sexual assault victims are girls under the age of 18, and that means that these are students. the students are saying that books like milk and honey are providing them with comfort, but these books help them recognize that they too are being sexually assaulted. books empower them to get help. my question really is the how is banning books protecting children? i think lawmakers are saying that banning books that help children feel safe, but the truth of it is, banning books about sexual assault does not stop sexual assault from happening. >> you know, ruby, is not just the content of the books. and the first half of the school year, more than 1400 inches of books across the

country -- these books were dealing with deal with violence, racism, student health along, other topics. these books were often written by people of color and lgbt individuals. what are the banning of these books saying to marginalized groups trying to provide an outlet for these readers? >> what it shows me is that in 2023, there is still no climate for our stories to be heard. that is unacceptable. >> ruby, as, well on instagram, i saw something that you had posted and i wanted to be able to show our viewers. it's one of your poems, it reads the following. representative shun is vital, otherwise the butterfly surrounded by mauve, unable to see itself, we'll keep trying to become the mauve. you already bergen story. so when i. we also have our own respective life stories.

how important is it for there to not be some whitewashing of literature as well as our histories? >> it's so deeply important. i hear it from moms all the time. i just finished a tour that took me around the world, specifically across america. over my 65 shows, one thing was universal. no matter where i was, my show was full of mothers bringing their teenage daughters to my show. i was performing books about, i was performing poetry, i, mean about the same things my books are now banned for. at the end of the shelves, the moms would approach me and they would say how grateful they are that their teenage daughters found my books, because these books were able to reach them in ways that the parents cut. that is why books about underrepresented experiences are so important, because it's so necessary for us to see ourselves reflected in the literature, the culture that is

consumed. we don't see ourselves, then we feel isolated, and alone. >> we'd be, about less than a minute left, but i want to ask you the following question. you wrote, illustrated, self publish milken honey, as you noted. since then, you publish more global bestsellers. your books have sold over 8 million copies. they've been translated into 40 languages. obviously, your messaging resonates and so many levels, as so many readers. ultimately, this is about power and control by those who are in fear about those who are different, isn't it? >> absolutely. i mean i always, it's hard for me to believe that three of my books are bans in some states, and school districts in some states. it is about power, it is about control. you know, there are some people in this country who believe that underrepresented voices have gotten too much power. not only is that not true, it is a very dangerous belief. that is why we need to continue

to fight back, and fight against these book bans. >> we'll be, part of what we do at the show is provide a platform for talented and immensely creative people like you whose voices are trying to silence, but they won't be successful. we welcome, you thank you for being here today, and for sharing your story. thank you so much. >> thank you katie, thank you for having me. >> up next, a memorial day,, frankly as we should do every day, we remember the brave men and women paying the ultimate price while protecting our country. we honor those continuing to serve this great nation. i'll speak with retired colonel in his two sons who celebrate their aapi heritage, and military background. stay with us. stay with us from big cities, to small towns, and on main streets across the us, you'll find pnc bank. helping businesses both large and small, communities and the people who live and work there

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opening, up it's about remembering and honoring those who sacrificed each and every day to secure americas enduring freedoms. on this long weekend, we are commemorating the end of aapi heritage month, and military appreciation month. what better way to honor our men and women in uniform the with my next guest who comes from a long and distinguished family line of service. they're going to share what it's like to be a part of the aapi community in the military. joining me now, retired colonel, his twins on second you tenets -- and ryan. gab gentlemen, it's an honor, literally, an honor to have you will hear at this morning. carlo, i'd like to start with you. you're grandfather came to this country up to the baton death march in the philippines in 1942. he committed his life to serving in the u.s. military. talk to our viewers about what it's like to continue that military legacy, it what it means to have the family actually invested in the military as they are. >> thanks for having us. i, like i said, earlier, to my

sons, public service is really important and protect, and you know, the constitution of the united states. it's more of a privilege and honor that it is a job. i believe that i was going to join the military early on because of my grandfathers service on both sides of my family. my mother's father, and my dad's father. it's really my dad's father that kind of brought to me this idea of surveying someone larger, an organization larger than yourself. you follow lovett the military because it's the greatest military. you fall in love mostly with the people in the mission. i never thought that my two sons would join.

my oldest son had an opportunity with all of my deployments, i think, he found that joining the military for him was not the right choice. i was a bit surprised what to sounds divided did that protecting the constitution is something that they want to do as a profession. >> second lieutenants dillon and ryan both, you report, less than a week after the 9/11 terror attack, you both said this how didn't profound impact on you. dylan, tell us how coming from generations of servicemen help shape your decision to enlist. >> yeah so i think this is something that we've always known that we've wanted to do, especially living with our dad for all of our lives. we've always looked up to him, and the rest of our family, on both sides, we have military backgrounds. it's kind of hard to imagine not being able to have this

lifestyle, which is one of the main reasons we chose to go down this path. i think it's an honor and privilege to be able to do this is something that we're both really excited for. i'm sure you echo your brother sentiments in this, but how does been part of the aapi community, as well as a military community impact your time and service? >> well i think it's an honor to represent the aapi community and representing the aapi community will definitely help members of the a i p immunity joined the military in the future. >> cornell you administers the oval office join yourselves commissioning ceremony just a few weeks ago tell us what that was like. well it was very emotional for sure i choked up a couple of

times. when you think of the potential to go to harm's way, and for me, i think it was difficult. for me to go to combat. there's so many different times. then to think about your son's having to do that is a really kind of daunting. i know that they're going to do the right thing. by leading our youngest men and women in the service, just making me even more proud of my family, my family's values that we all share. >> well, we're colonel, senate lieutenant, and senate lieutenant brian gabe, i know i speak on behalf of myself, my crew here, and everyone in america. we are indebted to you for your service, your continuing sacrifice. there is very little more that we can say at it and thank, you but we certainly hope it's enough, we hope that you all stay out of harm's way.

thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you very, much thank you for having us, that's a real honor, appreciate it. >> thank, you ma'am. we salute you. and, a quick programming note for tonight. join need for an encore presentation of the co-chair of aapi women in honor of aapi heritage month. they have an honest conversation with pioneer in pacific islander women who are shaping american culture, including political strategist, and business mogul, and nominated screenwriter, margaret chao. as well as that interview with ali -- watch the cultures of api women to on msnbc, streaming on peacock. thank you for joining me this morning, i'll be back here at next saturday at 8 am eastern. remember, you can keep up with us during the week by following a katie phang show on twitter, instagram, tiktok. we want to hear from you. stay tuned, the sunday show with jonathan kaye part is coming up next. coming up next

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