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white house and republicans in congress, finally reached a deal late last night, hopefully to keep america from defaulting on its debt. we are digging and how each side had to compromise to get to this point, and there has been a lot of talk about the 2024 presidential race but not much has been said about the setting. democrats hold a razor-thin majority, they're what races are they focusing on to keep their majority? or even expanded? now the number of senators or retiring or seeking other offices. plus, republican attorney general, ken paxton of texas impeached. temporarily thrown out of office by a lone star state lawmakers, many of them from his own party. >> the question now stands will the state senate make the ouster permanent. i'm simone sanders tones, and i have something to say.

you can always get what you want. i know you all may think it's -- a song, it's with the leaders on both sides of the aisle are telling their voters this afternoon. late last night, congressional republicans reached a deal, in principle, with the white house that would raise the debt ceiling just days before the united states was expected to default on its debt. after all of this fanfare, we still do not have text of a bill, president biden though says, he is confident the deal will get to his desk. here's what we know about the agreement so far, folks. and exchange for raising the debt ceiling until 2025, it keeps domestic spending at its current 2023 levels. well allowing for increases in defense spending. it also widens the work requirement age for adults with thieving snap benefits from 50 to 54. exempting veterans and unhoused people, and it caused back unspent covid funds, in skills back expanded funding for the irs. house democrats have yet to be briefed on this, they're expected to receive a briefing

by the biden administration in less than an hour, at 5 am eastern. already speaking out about the deal. >> president biden has delivered a result that avoids a catastrophic default. >> in these kinds of conversations, nobody gets what they want. >> i'm very comfortable that we can get -- on both sides of the aisle. >> it is all because republicans said that they wanted to cut the deficit. let's be clear, what they got from this was not that. they may have gotten other things, i'm not happy with some of the things i'm hearing about, but they are not cutting the deficit. >> after defending the deal in a call with his caucus last night, here's what speaker kevin mccarthy told our reporters about the deal this morning. >> we know, at anytime, when you sit and negotiate within two parties, you have to work with both sides of the aisle. so, it's not a hunter percent that everybody wants, when you

look the, country's gonna be stronger. that's gonna be transformational. congress is literally gonna vote to spend less money. this year that we spent last year. >> the speaker still has to sell the deal to house republicans, and some members have made it abundantly clear, they are not on board. saying, it still adds to the debt, and doesn't retain enough of the dead on arrival debt ceiling extension passed by the house last month. well bipartisan efforts might be enough to pass the bill, remember, the house rules that mccarthy agreed to, in exchange for the speakership, seems a long ago. those rules allow any single member to force a floor vote to kick him out of the speaker's chair. mccarthy said this morning, he is not worried at all. about the prospect, but in the chaos that is this caucus, nothing is off the table. those house rules, they also require a three-day waiting period for members to read a new legislation, before it goes to the floor. meaning, the vote that could finally put this entire saga to an end?

well, we can expect no earlier than wednesday. until then, let's have a chat. i want to bring in democratic congresswoman, sheila -- mccormack of florida. welcome to you, congresswoman, my first question to you, have you spoken with congressional leadership, do you know any more than i just detailed here, and open up the show? >> we had brief, conversations especially when it comes to texas, we're gonna have our meeting today at five. >> what do you know expect to hear in this meeting and just a tone in the tenure -- here i firmly number of members between last night in this morning, they were disappointed and unhappy that they're waiting till 5:00 for briefing, and disappointed in what they're hearing this coming out. do you share those sentiments? >> i do, as one to make sure we have a bill that's not gonna hurt the american people. we fought long and hard for the infrastructure -- the inflation reduction act. and the reason in the circumstance we did still exist. we started with inflation, we

still finisher with housing, we have americans who are still suffering, so, unless something is change that we don't know of, i hope that this negotiations will be protecting the american people. >> what do you need to hear today to support the measure? >> snap benefits, that something that we're very concerned about. a lot of our feelings are going hungry, it still bewildered may have one of the wealthiest nations in the whole world and we have some people who are doing the starvation. if we're not prioritizing snap and making sure that every family can actually have the food they need to survive, i think there's something wrong with what we're doing here in congress. >> let's talk about snap, in the currently, aside from this bill, currently, the rules on snap and folks at home, the food stamps for a lack of better term, individuals aged 18 or over, and i'm reading the current rules, and under 50 are limited to 15 months of snap benefits every three years unless they are working or in a worker training program, at least 20 hours a week. so, they are currently work requirements to receive s.n.a.p. benefits, if you're between the ages of 18 and 50.

what i am just leading in the two leaves here from what the white house and kevin mccarthy have said. that age is now being raised to 54. and you're exempt if you're a veteran, if you're an unhoused person, last, night members were telling me, if you are previously the foster care system, you are also exempt. now that means 54, you have to be working in a training program. in order to receive snap benefits, is that something you're willing to support? >> it's hard to say without looking at the text. when we look at the circumstances through this population where they're forcing these requirements on, there are people who actually need the assistance, and it's just gonna complicate and clear the system. this is not a real work requirement that you see present. this is just a slowdown of process, to frustrate people. like i said, we're still in a situation where we have inflation, we're still battling housing, homelessness. i think we need to be more thoughtful of the american people we represent, instead of playing these partisan politics games, now at the end of the day, we're only here because of the maga extremist.

that's what we have in this conversation. all this money actually went through appropriations, we agreed, we passed bills already. so, how do you come back and say, well, we don't to pay that bill. i had a conversation with many of my constituents, i explained them, this is really like. this is like you are getting a mortgage saying you're gonna pay $1,000 a month, and then you say you know what, i don't to do anymore. i just played with you, under new 600. you cool? i'm not giving any you anything to agree to 600. absolutely not. circumstances still actually are there, they need to be honest actually stick to what they committed to. this is absurd, we should be here in the situation. where you have other members, republican members, talking about they're not negotiating their hostages. what are we coming to when we're allowing these extreme people to come in and do this to our country? we need to protect the american people. that we have to remember in this negotiation. >> you think the white house then should not have engage in these negotiations with speaker mccarthy and republicans on the hill? >> i think they should have, we need to make sure we're not actually gonna have, -- we need to pay or bills. we can't allow ourselves to get to that point. what does negotiation look like? that's why the texas is so important.

who are we actually going to give up in this negotiation? i think every american needs to be very clear, that's what they're asking for. don't protect the vulnerable class, right? make sure that this multiple class doesn't have access, that's what they're negotiating here. they're not negotiating anything that's not gonna hurt the american people, if they said, okay, we're not gonna give cuts to wealthy businesses or something. that's another conversation. when you actually put our most vulnerable on the table, to cut their benefits, that we promise to them, that's when we have a real problem that we have to actually step back and ask ourselves, what are we doing? what are we really negotiating? that should never be the case. >> two other questions about the debt limit negotiations, if you will. first, on veterans. you said on the veterans affairs committee, do the concessions for veterans, that we're hearing about, again, no one has seen any text, did those ease some of your concerns? >> yes, what i heard was going on with our veterans, especially with the pack act, that maybe feel a little bit better about the situation.

that's a problem we can't default on. our promise to our heroes, our veterans, we promised them, and they actually fulfilled everything that was asked of them. so, that actually feel more comfortable. but what i'm hearing, coming out from it the uncertainty about snap and what's actually being protected, the uncertainty about student loans and what is gonna kick in, those are the things that really concern me. when we look at our students, who are actually trying to come into the workforce, and we look at anyone who has a degree, you still can't afford housing, and we still have a housing crisis, groceries are still very expensive, inflation still existent. what has changed now that they want to change the circumstances of the deal that we all agreed to? this just another way to actually go around the democratic process, and now get your way. we're seeing them use these tactics all across the board, i do think that we need to negotiate, what are we negotiating, exactly? where are they saying, is it pretextual what they, saying that what to make sure that we are fiscally stable? are you trying to get your way, because you couldn't get that bill passed? what's really going on here?

i think we have to ask ourselves that. as americans, we need to ask ourselves that. >> are you dismayed that you're not being briefed until 5 am today? >> i am. i think we should've had more access and more information into the negotiation process. because we talk to our constituents every single day. we actually are on the ground. we know what they're suffering. so, i wish we had more input. but i'm willing, i can't wait to hear what goes on at five. i believe we'll get the opportunity to actually give our input, a lot of stuff that i'm hearing, i just feel as if the right story was being put forward. they intentionally held out. they intentionally tried to hold us hostage is. they're intentionally trying to hurt a certain class of american people. the most vulnerable. i think that needs to be said, that we have to fight against. >> all right, before i let you go, you are a congresswoman from one of the interesting states in america. >> interesting. >> florida. very special place, as i like to say.

i want to talk specifically about governor desantis and his order, banning state funding for diversity and equity initiatives, in colleges. what are your constituents telling you about this? this is a bill that is passed both chambers, and the governor is now signed. it's a fearful time to be in florida. right now, he seems to be fixating on different groups, especially african american groups. right now, the question and concern becomes, what's gonna come from this? in fermentation? we saw with the book been this week, how all the books were being scanned, we saw huge containers of these books that are being scammed. some are more empathetic books, so, we can't believe that this is where we're living now. all these big books and big suitcases and bags are being put there. so, we look at what's gonna be the implementation come this fall. if you look at the bills, specifically, it talks about advocacy. trying to block people from advocating, and you can't even advocate on either issue. and it's also banning people from actually talk about their life stories. integral part of our history is african american history. for years, african american

history has been intentionally wiped out. this is another attempt of wiping out african american history. but we have to be savvy enough to get through this time. one of the best things i think is happening, the entire world gets to see what we've been suffering as floridians. we've been dealing with this governor now for going into five years. he seems to get more and more extreme, he seems to be targeting and fixating on the african american committee, lgbtq, it seems like every week, here another group that is actually going against. immigrants. he's actually pushing a proposition of hate and division. there's no hopeful story or narrative behind what he saying. not one. if you look at what he's been doing, even in my district, district 20, we were supposed to have the nhl come in your district. and do a diversity inclusion -- national hockey league. still to come in and do a job fair. to create pipelines into the hockey league. now, you know as well as i do, there are probably no minorities in the hockey league. >> slim. >> he blocked it. he blocked it from actually coming, when they're equating a pipeline.

this pipeline was specifically supposed to include women, minorities, and military people. so, if a problem with military people, also? what is the real issue, what are you really driving it? the real issue is that he wants to make sure that we don't have a fair seat at the table, that we don't have an opportunity to actually talk about where our country was and where we're going, and he's trying to make sure that he can advance himself, and his position. >> well, congresswoman, it seems like you have something to say. all right now. well, we are gonna have you back to discuss, obviously, florida will continue to be in the news. i appreciate your time. congresswoman, sheila, thank you very much. you feel free to text me anything for that call. >> oh, thank you so much. >> appreciate time. >> thank you for having me. >> coming up, your, the 3.3 million reasons the texas house just impeached an attorney general, ken paxton. and one big reason why his wife, who is a sitting senator, may not be too keen to spring to his defense in the upper chamber. first, my bestie is here,

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republicans there are seeing red for a man who was once considered a rising star within their party. the states republican-led house of representatives voted to impeach texas attorney general, ken paxton, just yesterday, on articles that included bribery and abuse of public trust. >> he put the interests of himself over the citizens of the state of texas. >> now, why, you may ask, would texas republicans vote to oust one of their most prominent figures, nearly three years after a cascade of allegations against him first surfaced? and in the midst of an ongoing federal allegation and eight years after he was first indicted on felony security fraud charges? in an ideal world, you can argue that these state legislators saw a great injustice, and felt the need to write that wrong. sadly, we don't live in an

ideal world right now. reality, the texas house of representatives, 3.3 million reasons to impeach attorney general paxton. as the austin newspaper points out, a 3.3 million dollar settlement against paxton put him on path to yesterday's impeachment vote. you see, a whistleblower lawsuit brought against paxton accused him of using his authority to help a donor and receive personal gifts. who, exactly, did he want to foot the bill of that lawsuit? the good people of texas. in fact, the statement from the texas house speaker, -- spokeswoman obtained by the statesman reads this, this process was initiated as a result of the attorney general's request for 3.3 million in state funds in order to settle with whistleblowers. the attorney general made this demand of a legislator without providing sufficient information for evidence in support of his request. in other words, we may look the other way when you act the fool, but ask us to pay?

this isn't cool. as for paxton's future, the now suspended attorney general tweeted he looks forward to, quote, a quick resolution in the texas senate, where i have a full confidence the process will be fair and just. now, ken paxton's wife, angela, is a member of the texas senate. so, you might expect this trial to bode well for him. there's one catch, and it is personal. the articles of impeachment against paxton include an allegation that he used his position to land a job for his mistress, and a mistress doesn't usually sit well with the misses. that's the story we're gonna keep following. we'll be right back. ht back. i'm the sizzle in this promposal. and while romeo over here is trying to look cool, things are about to heat up. darn it, kyle!

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expression, don't make perfection the enemy of good? well, that's likely gonna be the mantra for president biden and house speaker kevin mccarthy in the coming days as they try to sell their agreement to raise the debt ceiling to skeptical lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. for more, i am joined by my amazing panel, téa mitchell is the washington correspondent for the atlanta journal-constitution, -- is the co-host of the latino vote podcast, and a new york times opinion contributor, and former republican ashley pratte oates is an nbc thing tech contributor. i like to think we effectively color coordinated on this memorial day weekend, i appreciate your support. to, and start with you. what is your reporting telling you about how the steel is gonna come down when it comes

to lawmakers, who will have a harder time selling the steal? mccarthy or biden? >> well, a lot of lawmakers are waiting, you mentioned that you think that briefing that democrats again and participate in later today, a lot of lawmakers are taking that wait and see petito approach, particularly because we're waiting on final bill language. what it's looking like right now, that mccarthy is going to have a tougher time. yes, there are parts of the agreement that we know progressive democrats aren't particularly keen on, that work requirement for food stamp recipients, for example. but it seems like, from the democratic side, they're at least more open. it seems that, perhaps this compromise might be more palatable, even for democrats who don't like everything they hear. whereas, on the republican side, we're already seeing far-right members saying this is a bad deal.

we will not support it. kevin mccarthy, they don't think he did a good job. >> so, ashley, along those lines then, what are the chances that speaker mccarthy's job will be on the line with this deal? it only takes one person not to like it to call his card on the floor. >> that's the crazy thing here, i think with speaker mccarthy. last night, he chose not to make any real public statements about this. because he knew he needed to get his party in line. he knows he has an uphill battle to do that. it was evidence this morning, on all the sunday shows, he started hearing this same talking points from the republican party that are very anti kevin mccarthy. so, i do think, at this point, it's really going to be a significant uphill battle for him. one thing i will say, democrats usually have an easier time getting -- in line, especially when it comes to opposing things that republicans do. i think, looking ahead to 2024, they know that.

they know that there is rhonda scientists in there's trump on the ballot, potentially. as a result of that, they're going to have to unify in order to show that they're cohesive, moving into 2024. that will, honestly, continue to show, you know, the scrambling that republicans are going to do if they continue this infighting. i agree with téa here, there's more of an uphill battle for republicans in this, in the messaging war, and democrats may not be happy with everything that's in it, but i do think this really shows biden as a key negotiator and it's someone who's able to be a president for all americans. which is the platform that he ran on, and when that should continue to run in 2024. >> chuck, let's talk about that. look, there were lots of folks who've been critical about this process here. i, myself, was one of them. at one point, the white house said, they're not negotiating on the debt limit. this is a negotiation on the debt limit, there's a deal coming out of the negotiations on the debt limit. a deal that, it looks like,

democrats, again, we haven't seen the final text of the bill, no votes have been cast, it looks like democrats are gonna have to pull this over the line. how is that gonna bode well with democratic lawmakers? holding their nose to vote for something that they didn't, they didn't want in the first place? >> i think it'll be tough for some of them. i think because our caucus is so -- i think you're right, it's gonna be a tough pill to swallow for many of them. we need to remember, there already been ads being run by -- against some of these vulnerable republicans already putting this debt limit on them in the bill that they just passed to the door prior to, this is the dream bill. all the things they want to cut including veterans benefits, and other benefits going to working class americans. so, democrats, democratic operatives, people been doing this work, and already started running those ads. it will be really interesting to see this house is so close, and the margin is so close, just like the senate that i know we're going to talk about. just a few votes here or there, in a few of these working class districts, can't really mean

the difference on who gets the blame. who doesn't get the blame. who's in control in the next congress. >> let's talk about that then. 2024, we talk often about 2024 in the context of the presidential race. as chuck just noted, the 54, the senate is real. the map favors republicans. according to the cook political report, three seats are toss-ups, to sherrod brown and ohio, and joe manchin in west virginia, are held by democrats. the third is held by arizona's kristen sinema. who is now a former democrat, and a current independent. to, what are some of the contests that you have heard from democratic lawmakers, if they are willing -- worried about, and where are some of the places they feel confident? >> i think that, particularly, of course that west virginia see, people are worried, number one. if joe manchin decides, for some reason, not to run again, it would be really hard for any

democrat not named joe manchin to even have a chance in west virginia. in no, i think sherrod brown, of the three, shared browns probably the least of their worries. of the three toss-ups. and then, of course, with kyrsten sinema, she does have a democratic opponent. again, the concern is if she runs as an independent and they split the vote that that might make it easier for a republican to win in that city. >> you know, nbc's julie tsirkin actually spoke with senator sinema about next year, i wanna play this for you all right now. >> so, looking ahead to 2024, in the presidential race, who do americans need right now? republican, democrat, or independent? >> i think what rip democrat mark into looking for some who speaks to their values, and is more interested in solutions than the partisan talking points.

unfortunately, our political system, right now, rewards those who engage in the political bombs, and the talking points. i think people are hungry for someone who comes forward with practical common sense solutions. that's what i'm looking for. >> chuck, you are an adviser for congressman ruben gallego, who's running for senate as a democrat in 2024 and arizona. what is your reaction to senator sinema's con let's? >> play like it's pretty simple simple question, are gonna be with joe biden or the republican nominee? she was a democratic senator? she can't even say shall be for joe biden. she can't even, this is all you need to know about this race. ruben gallego's gonna win this race, i've never seen a more groundswell of support for him. and this exact reason, people in arizona are fed up with people like kari lake, fed up with people like kirsten sinema, they would like to have a working class latino who spent his time overseas defending this country, representing them in the congress like he is now, move over to the senate to make sure they have a voice. right now, as you just heard,

they don't have a voice. that's just one of the states, west virginia like you mentioned, is gonna be a trouble for us. ohio's not gonna be easy. and let's put on top of that, places like montana. we're assuming we're gonna win in montana? joe tester is a fabulous senator, but montana is still a hard seat to win. and then you throw in michigan, he threw in wisconsin, you throw in all these other states. democrats have to sweep the floor and when everything just to stay where we are. the only two places in america we have a chance to even pick up any seats, only two. one is florida, one is texas. texas, we have a great candidate colin allred is gonna surprise some folks. >> let's talk about pick up opportunities. frankly, chuck, i don't think prior to these 2022 midterm elections that even after the midterm elections, that folks would say that florida is an opportunity for democrats. and that texas was a real opportunity. actually, i have spoken to a lot of republican operatives who know texas very well.

they they call it already -- the best chance to unseat ted cruz, and that cruz should be concerned. what say you? >> yes, i think there is definitely opportunity for pick up. as was just mentioned by chuck, there's 23 out of the up this cycle are that's the big takeaway here that's a lot of ground game that needs to be done, but states like texas and florida, again, these are states where they're still going to be considered swing states. potentials for pick up by way of the fact that the trends there right now are favoring democratic candidates. i do think, you know, when you have candidates that are out there going against people that are somewhat unpopular, like senator cruz, i think there could be a real groundswell of support for those types of campaigns. it'll be interesting to watch, moving forward, i think, again, the real takeaway here, democrats are on defense for the senate run.

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really wants to think about, for so many of us, it's something that becomes a reality. that people like, our parents, begin to age. what will we do with our loved ones our heroes, the folks who've been with us for so long need us to become their caregivers? just in time for mental health awareness month, that topic is now the subject of a first of its kind documentary but my

friend and colleague, richard lui, which just aired last night on msnbc. here's the first look at the story, seven years in the making. >> i'm richard louis, live in new york city. i've been a journalist for 15 years. and then my dad got diagnosed with alzheimer's. >> by sun richard. >> good to see you too. >> it was a lonely road. until i found others. the oncologist said it look like somebody had taken cake -- and different cancer. >> we know he struggles with brain injury, he considers him 350% disabled. >> the reason that i can carry on, it's because of family community and love. >> msnbc anchor and my bestie, richard louis, joins us now. richard, when i heard that you are making this documentary, first i said, i did not know richard louis was an award-winning filmmaker. second, i was so touched by this.

well my father is no longer with us and my mother is well right now, she was a caregiver for my grandmother, her mother. and i watched it happen. your documentary is just, i think, so timely. why did this take seven years to make? >> simone, thanks a lot, you know, you saw your mom really said, as you said earlier, a hero. depending on what time in our life we experience that, we see different parts of the. seven years is because several reasons, number one. i thought most caregivers, and those who watch caregivers as you are talking about, simone, it lets you take time for to soak, it doesn't hit you immediately. you talked your mom about your journey, as she was caring for her parent, she would probably express the very same thing. as we started to dig in further and further in the story, and it's really started with me taking care of my dead, as you showed in the clip, i know there are so many other folks that were going through it. it was 20 million, and there was 50 million, now, up to 100 million people in america

talking about it. yet, we don't talk about. we feel like we're alone. so, seven years is because it was sort of self therapy. me going through to. as well as other people teaching me, simone. >> you know, caregivers are taken care of their loved ones, oftentimes, again, we're talking about a parent. but there are so many people who fall in this sandwich generation, who are also taking care of a parent, or also younger children at the same time. they're struggling with the pain of watching their loved ones declined. talk about the toll caregiving can take on one's mental health. what did you learn through your own experience. >> you feel alone. you feel like you're the only person in the room going through it. as i was just expressing, there's 100 million people. we don't get training. we don't get paid. but we feel alone. the mental health toll is because you feel like it's your own battle. only do. a lot of that is for younger caregivers to. did you know that there were 5

million, 17 and younger, family caregivers as well? there are 25 million millennial and younger caregivers. i bet you most of them, if not all of them, the ones i've been able to me along the way, have said, simone, they thought they were the only one in the room. the key is to definitely reach out, to find that other support group that can be out there. again, it's not only mental health wrong, it's often the way it's equated, mental health, as i was top of the 13 year old, simone, she said, where you would think about mental health as a strength? that mental health isn't only wrong, it can be strong. that's our cultural gap. we think mental health equals mental illness. that's not the case. >> i mean, i often say, richard, we have professionals for all kinds of things. professional people who cut our hair, professional does my nails every two weeks. when we have potentials for a mental health? >> exactly. you know we have to do, not only close that cultural gaps

we don't think like, we get physically unhealthy, i'm a little flabby right, i go, get a coach, get a trainer. why can we do the same for a brain gets a little flabby. why is it a therapist, is such a negative word. that's why folks got a reach out to their local resource, there's plenty of them out there. >> it is so necessary, i've been a user of mental health therapy myself. it absolutely works. i would know, it saved my life. richard, the first lady, dr. jill biden, she actually held a screening of your documentary at the white house. how did that come about? what do you think that congress or the biden administration can do in taking on this issue. what do you hope comes of your work? as >> you know so well, simone, because you're plugged in on all of this, this administration, this white house, has done the most it can with its recent executive order on caregivers, more than any

other white house has done. on top of that, this is a bipartisan issue. elizabeth -- foundation, along with the first lady. senator elizabeth dole, is working very closely with joe biden on these very topics about mental health for military families. in the space of caregiving. this is not a left or right issue. in fact, there are some right now running through congress, the credit for caring act, that's on a federal level at a state level. there's all sorts of things we can do through government as well as in culture, as i mentioned earlier. my hope is that caregiving isn't always seen as something difficult. that, simone, we can see the joy, and that we can live the good stuff and not wait for the tough stuff to be gone. because caregiving is both good and tough at the same time. >> richard louis, you're not gonna make me cry the sunday afternoon. unconditional, its streaming for free on pbs, through july, please go check it out. richard louis, thank you, very much.

>> folks, we have an update now from the white house. two sources tell nbc news, white house briefers are going to hold separate topical calls with house democrats about the contents of the debt ceiling agreement. over the next two days. this will be in addition to the call happening between the white house and democratic members at five preempted a. these additional calls are so they can go over the details of the deal in greater detail. regret keep bringing you the latest as we have it, stay with us. still ahead, we've got a little more here on simone, she's been making you and your family laugh for 30 years. she is not slowing down, actress erika alexander joins me next to talk about season to have run the world. her mission to foster equity, inclusion and diversity in media. stick around. step one: feed them with miracle-gro shake 'n feed. that's it.

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short clip from the new season. >> oh yeah? i just got my second duplex on a 142nd mount next. these white millennials, they love paying too much for it. >> a, girl. i. fair to the scene you here. i wasn't sure our paths whatever crossed again, seeing how a girl skipped town in the middle of the night. >> no, she peeled out of here like she was running from child support. >> i'm not surprised, ella was always a free spirit. don't get me wrong, she -- me. and a lot of ways, at better. and a lot of ways amino bring her neck if i ever see again. >> actress, producer and director extraordinary erika alexander joins us now. welcome, welcome to you, my friend. let's start with this new season of run the world. absolutely, it's so good to see you. see you here on msnbc. i saw -- >> i love you. >> the first time we met one

another was on msnbc. >> that's right. >> in iowa. >> that's right. >> there was great to talk to you then, just about your various projects, also your plugged in what's happening politically. let's for start with the projects. what should we be looking out for in the season of on the world? give us a spoiler? >> well, you know what, those girls are continuing to run the world, and create their own world. their world builders. i think living single, they're out to create enviable relationships with each other, that's what -- who created living single and is part of this world always does. they're doing it to, they're also dealing with relationship problems, relationship problems that we didn't necessarily have been living single. we all stayed in the same apartment. they're dealing with the expectations of what a young, black woman, let's say in their

case, deals with. and how they're handling it. it's tough for them, i think. i think barb has it a little more figured out. there's a generational conversation happening, that's really wonderful. >> i love this. season two was actually greenlit in august of 2021. it was a nearly two-year hiatus away from our tv screens. what took so long to get to the new season? >> i think that there's a lot of shifting going on in the media space, frankly. there's different players involved. actually, i wish i could answer that question a little better. all i know, i'm glad to see season to back, i would love to see season three. i think the audience is there, and they have been there. so, it's important that we invest in these conversations about what is greenlit. what gets going, how many seasons, and gets to exist. it's not a given. >> those are the projects, let's talk a little bit about the political.

you are actually the cofounder of color for media, your company is walking the walk. you let a social impact campaign called the big payback hbcu reparations to her. and of a. it all happened in north carolina. to give young people the opportunity to express their thoughts on the reparations movement. you all toured a north carolina hbcus, right? talk about this campaign, and what are some the other projects your company has in the works? >> simone, it was really beautiful campaign. we created within the college, which is an all women's hbcu, the oldest hbcu that's a woman's college, we partnered at color farm media -- is my part of. there we strategize to create a historic reparations debate tour, we pulled off the earlier part of this year. it went all through north carolina, president walls, it was her idea to put -- put it all within north carolina. it was a big lift, they all

came together to do it. i thought that it was wonderful to have a documentary to talk about reparations. but it was important to put it in the hands of people whose future it would most affect. why not put it in the most important change agents that is. that young people who go to hbcus, they pulled that bad boy off. it was axle. it was amazing. >> erica, you know, often quote nina simone, it is an artist duty to reflect the times. you are the living embodiment of that. and every single season. thank you so much for time today. eric alexander, folks. >> love you. >> thank you, love you back. thank you and i love you old home, for watching symone on this sunday. i am symone sanders-townsend, don't you go anywhere, politicsnation with the great reverend al sharpton, starts right after this break. is break the subway series is taking your favorite to the next level! like the #20. the elite chicken and bacon ranch.

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