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our debt ceiling. president biden and republican house speaker, kevin mccarthy, announcing last night that a tentative deal has been reached, that would allow both sides to claim a victory. with short term domestic spending curtailed in line with house republican demands, and economic crisis averted to the delight of democrats in the rest of the sensible world. but that looming june 5th deadline to raise the ceiling hasn't gone away. and the hurdles to passage remain inside of congress itself. house democrats are expected to jump on a call with the white house within the hour. we'll update you as soon as that cole wraps, as for speaker mccarthy, will he be able to satisfy the hard right flank of his caucus, ahead of wednesday's house vote? or after weeks of holding
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america hostage, will they intentionally drive the country of the fiscal cliff just to prove a point. joining me now, live from capitol hill, with the latest is nbc's julia -- >> good evening, we have been waiting outside of speaker mccarthy's office all afternoon, awaiting the legislative text of the biden mccarthy deal. no, the deal they struck is an agreement in principle, we haven't seen the final version of the bill. that's what members are waiting for, to take their final stances on whether or not to support it. no, leaders of both parties are confident that they will get the votes they need to pass this bill. but it's going to require a lot of work. the white house, any moment now, is set to begin a call with house democrats, talking about the bill, they have officials lining up this week with calls in a more granular level on
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changes to energy policy, budget and appropriations levels, and then the snap and -- requirements updates. they're really trying to whip these votes. on both sides of the aisle, it's going to be tricky. you have speaker mccarthy trying to get the house freedom caucus on board, who are really upset that it doesn't curb spending as much as they had hoped, as much as the house passed bill just weeks ago. senate republicans have already been outspoken against, senator lindsey graham taking to twitter to voice his opposition, especially when it comes to defense spending. so, we just learned that the call between speaker mccarthy and -- just wrapped. >> let me ask you this, right now, house democrats are on the phone with the white house. what words might might bailey be sharing with democrats on that call right now?
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because some democrats were concerned as well? >> absolutely. over the weekend, the white house, we obtained the talking points she, there was about three pages long, defending this bill. saying that it may be a compromised legislation, it is something that is good for the american people. it avoids to fall, it protects a lot of key issues that the biden administration was quite vocal about, including no changes to medicaid eligibility, that was something that was really important to the white house. it also includes permitting reform for clean energy projects. and it has, not everything that democrats want, but the white house was able to hold its ground on certain areas. frankly, their priority is avoiding this default. so, as you know, president biden has always touted his bipartisan chalk's -- ability to get this done. >> i think part of the tension
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also was around work requirements. >> yes. >> lifted from age 49 to age 54. we'll see where it goes, thank you, julia jester, on capitol hill. we'll stay in touch. staying in washington d.c., let's go to the white house, to nbc's allie raffa. she's there, ali, what is the latest information. you can share from the white house and what's going on this very moment? >> well, we heard from president biden on camera for the first time since this tentative deal was reached during his phone call with speaker mccarthy. last night, he said that he is confident that this deal will be able to pass, in both the house and senate, and reach his desk to be able to sign into law. we asked him about any sort of sticking points that are remaining, he said there are none. he talked about this call that we expect, that both of them are expected to have this
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afternoon, to finalize this deal. because right now, remember, this deal is still not publicly accept -- accessible, publicly released yet, that would then trigger this 72-hour review period that lawmakers will have before the house will vote on it as early as wednesday. right now, will they still have just the contours of this deal, as julia mentioned there, we know that white house officials have started selling, essentially, this deal to house democrats. later, we expect them to brief senate democrats, talking about what they were able to achieve and get a compromise out of this bipartisan deal. that's really what's going to be necessary here. this fight is far from over, as really, the most difficult part of this journey is just beginning. both sides, both the white house and republican officials, or trying to shore up as much support as they can right now. among just the middle -- >>,, president biden today at
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all, addressing the media? >> it is possible, we have seen him schedule last-minute events, last-minute remarks, especially for an issue of this magnitude, how important this is, to be able to get all of this across the finish line by, remember, june 5th. we were inching so close to that june 1st deadline, it was becoming dangerously unrealistic, to be able to get all of us done before june 1st. treasury secretary janet yellen acts but then did that to june 5th. it is quite possible we could hear remarks from president biden later today. at this point -- >> nothing scheduled, we don't know. allie raffa, at the white house, thank you very much. i want to go now to congresswoman sheila jackson lee of texas, she is the majority -- of sorry, she's the democratic chief deputy whip for the u.s. house. congresswoman, thank you for joining us tonight.
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we know this weekend has been a busy one for congress and your caucus, specifically as you prepare to jump on this call with president biden, the white house officials to discuss the debt ceiling deal. ahead of wednesday's house vote. what are your thoughts tonight on the deal notes in the concessions president biden made to get a bipartisan deal with speaker mccarthy? >> reverend, i don't want to get ahead of the house leadership, here's where i think the american people need to know just what happened. the democrats were the adult in the room, frankly, we work to avoid a catastrophic default. which would've collapsed the health system, would've turned small businesses upside down. but of taking away the safety net of millions, millions of americans. my first impression, is the. we were at the precipice, we were keeling over. frankly, we sipped, we took a lifeline.
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in doing that, we protected something that is helping americans as we speak. the infrastructure bill. the inflation reduction bill. and also the science bill that is going to help us with a variety of manufacturing opportunities. and then we went even further, we did decrease spending, we just stabilize spending. we held the spending in line. and then we did two other things. we opened snap, a safety net, to homeless persons all over america, and veterans. and what i'm very proud of, we maintain our commitment to help with student debt. it's not perfect. as you well know, we'll be getting on the call with the president, with leadership, as we speak. frankly, i have asked the white house for the president to speak to the nation, i think he's the best seller of all this hard work. i hope we'll hear from him today. if we don't, we'll hear from
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him in the next 24 hours. >> what do you expect to hear in terms of the content? because you're right, there's a lot of concern around student debt, a lot of concern around work requirements. what do you expect the substance of your caucus will here in the upcoming call the white house, slated for this hour? >> you know, winners and losers, wins and losses. i think the democrats -- >> not the narrative of speaker mccarthy. that everything went their way. what we're gonna want to hear that we, without values, and what we have done over the last decade, in building america back and fighting back the four years before president biden had gone into a deep deficit with the trump tax cuts. the president got to share with us what we got for the american people. what we maintain. also, to explain in particular,
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the work requirements are temporary, or sunsetted. or there will be more help for people who need a safety net and they'll be less hope. i also believe it is important, that we note that no rights, no rights of americans, social justice rights, rights to due process, because a lot of things can be hidden in the text. i want to make sure that it is pure, from the perspective of voting, for a document that does not cut right, take uri where it right. that's one to be listening for, let me say this, reverend, people of the united states find themselves in cities, in rural communities. cities losing covid dollars now is going to be a challenge. what hope are going to give those in urban centers, and those who struggle in rural centers. that's what i'm gonna be looking for. when i left, on my way to
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washington, speaking to my constituents, i said, we don't want to default, we also make sure that we help you. -- texans, the american people. that's my goal. >> that's what i'm impressing on the continent, the devil is in the details. i'm out of time, i have to pivot from capitol hill to your home state. the texas house last night voting, overwhelmingly, to impeach embattled stay attorney general, ken paxton, over accusations of being unfit for office. bribery and abuse of public trust. has been raised, then he's been an indictment of certain charges. what's the significance of a texas republican attorney general, a staunch opponent of the biden administration, being ousted from office, in large part, by other texas republicans? >> i think this is, hopefully,
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a new texas republican party, standing up. the attorney general, who is interested with the laws of the state, that is i believe, maliciously suing that administration for everything from reproductive rights to social justice, has been someone who has led as the highest law enforcement officer in the state, under indictment. finally, his peers, his contemporaries, his fellow party members, have indicated we want to purify, we want to let everyone know, we think there are certain standards that elected official must uphold. he takes no prisoners. he feels that he is owed disposition. he doesn't feel that he will have any moment, any longer than today when the senate has to vote, that's the state senate. it's so something important. republicans want the nation to know, this is a state that does believe in justice. it does believe in fairness, it does believe in integrity. in the service to the people of the state of texas.
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>> i would have to leave it there. i >> think it is a good day, in any of it, we'll keep working. thank you. >> all right, thank you. let's get a quick reaction from our political panel. michael hardaway, democratic strategist and jennifer horn, former chair of the new hampshire republican party. michael, you've worked for congressman hakeem jeffries, you've set in meetings with him. and you know a bit about the behind the scenes situations like today. so i want to ask you, despite this significant agreement that has reached, that was reached as negotiated -- frantically, in the final days. it's still uncertain if the congress can vote on a deal before the nation's first ever debt default by june 5th. there still a number of
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democrats who have to be convinced to vote for this bill. right now, they're being briefed by white house officials. which is part of the administration's effort to get his caucus in line. before voting in the house on wednesday. then it has to pass the senate, which could take some time. the tentative bill includes no changes in medicaid. but there are new work requirements. that's why brought up to the congressman. new worker requirements to some recipients of government aid, including footsteps. what are the political implications for democrats in terms of the compromises that will have to be made in order for this agreement to get past? >> you know, i think the president really delivered a christmas miracle. you had a situation where the president is negotiating with individuals who are more than willing to let this bus drop a drive off the cliff.
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in that scenario, you could've lost 7 million jobs. in that scenario, you could've had the average american losing $20,000 from their retirement savings account. i think, from the presidents perspective, from mr. jeffries perspective, from mr. schumer's perspective, the idea that we got this done, the idea that we protected the social safety net, in particular, medicaid and other things, is a win. politically, it's a win for the country. >> jennifer, dozens of republicans are saying, they may not vote for the steal. here is what speaker, kevin mccarthy, had to say earlier today about getting the votes he needs. >> we know, and anytime, when you sit negotiate within two parties, you gotta work with both sides of the aisle. not a junta percent whatever he wants. when you look, the country's gonna be stronger. this is gonna be transformational. where congress is literally gonna vote, to spend less money. this year that we spent last year. >> is there a substantial risk
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that a deal won't pass the house. >> oh, there absolutely is. if it doesn't pass the house, it's much more likely that it will be because of the republicans than the democrats here. the way that things have unfolded since kevin mccarthy became speaker, i would be shocked if he wasn't kind of speaking ahead of time, i don't to be rude, but kind of getting his marching orders from the far-right. we know to whom he is accountable for having that position, to begin with. but i guess is, he's going to have a tremendous amount of pushback from the most extreme side of his party. if it doesn't come through, if the deal doesn't come together, frankly, i think it's the republicans who have the most to lose. mccarthy has been so public and so vocal in the manner in which he's been weaponizing these negotiations, as a political strategy, that i think the american people are going to see very clearly what the game is that they're playing.
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>> i kind of agree with you, jennifer. whereas, usually whoever the incumbent president is suffers from a deal that being made. mccarthy has been so public that he is becoming the face of whatever obstruction may happen in terms of reaching the steel. michael, jennifer, both please stick with us, i want to come back to you. coming up, i want to go to reproductive rights. expand far beyond when and if a woman decides to have a child. now, one lawmaker is rising up to ensure all americans women have freedom when it comes to starting their families. i'll explain that next. first, my colleague richard lui, with the day's other top news stories. richard? >> rev, a very good sunday to you. turkey supreme election council declared president erdogan won
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reelection, and extending the authoritarian 20 year rule. this election, which required a runoff, was the tightest challenge to date for him. today, kyiv suffered the largest drone attack since the start of the war, with russia. ukraine's air force said, russia, rather, launched a record number of 54 drones overnight. they said they shot down 52 of them, nbc news was not able to independently verify those figures. a record number of travelers hitting airports as memorial day weekend, roughly 2.5 million people traveled to the airports friday. amid unexpected summer surge, airlines now beefing up staff to avoid last year's trouble math don't. more politics nation with reverend al sharpton right after this break. after this break ♪ ♪ ♪
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unraveling of roe v. wade, in state after state, the timeframe for women to get legal abortions is shrinking. the window, in some cases, is closing before women even know their pregnant. as we push for american women to have agency over their own bodies, we must also rise up to acknowledge women with even less freedom. the ones behind bars. representative ayanna pressley wants to make sure that incarcerated pregnant women are treated with dignity and humanity. especially black women. who disproportionately suffer during childbirth. black women are in prison at twice the rate of white women. and generally, or three times more likely to die from a pregnancy related cause. than their white counterparts, according to the cdc. considering these facts,
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presley recently reintroduced her justice for incarcerated moms act. the bill and aims to end the practice of shackling pregnant women, provide financial resources for correctional facilities that offer mental health programs for expecting mothers. and establish the first comprehensive study on maternal mortality and maternal morbidity for incarcerated women. a report from reuters finds that in americas 3000 plus jails, thousands of women arrive pregnant every year, a situation that can imperil mother and child. many of these women suffer from mental illness, and are more likely to struggle with drug and alcohol addictions. the data on pregnant inmates is scant or dated. reuters identified dozens of cases from 2010 to 2019, where
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female inmates suffered serious pregnancy related complications. despite that, there are no national standards that all jails must meet when caring for pregnant women. well pregnant inmates are legally able to give birth and a hospital, they are often still shackled by ankles, wrist and waste during pregnancy and delivery. which is humiliating, unnecessary, and unsafe. i commend congresswoman pressley for raising the issue. as too many pregnant inmates are denied the prenatal or postpartum health care rights in correctional facilities, across the country. we must rise up and push for this type of legislation, so, pregnant inmates no, they are not forgotten or ignored. for any lawmakers who support
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jennifer, from the other big news of the weekend, the stage is set for a contentious showdown in the texas state senate after the impeachment of attorney general of the state, ken paxton. he was temporarily thrown out of office yesterday, the house lawmakers, many of his own party on a series of corruption allegations. the case now most of the state senate, where he has a lot of allies including his wife. will this be a tough hurdle for texas republicans, who want to paxton accountable. >> it will certainly be a tough hurdle, but you have to question it. i'm not sure how much of a, hurdle because if you really try to think about how they got there so quickly, they just heard from the investigative committee last week.
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and this enormous support for impeachment, coming from his own party really suggests that there's an awful lot there that the public just didn't know about up until now. there is something there that push them, that motivated them. but at the same time, while i have a lot of respect for representative sheila jackson lee, her suggestion that maybe this is the beginning of the republicans showing some honor, and trying to hold folks accountable to a higher level of behavior in office, i question that. i am somewhat cynical that that is the case, because we've also learned that it sort of came to ahead after the republicans became aware that paxton wanted to use three and a half million dollars worth of taxpayer dollars to pay off settlements. when he tried to report on his back behavior. so i think there's going to be a struggle on both sides. there's a lot of struggle in all of this, there is a lot to
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this that i think maybe not everybody is aware of. >> with these allegations, and has followed paxton all three terms of the attorney general. he denies any wrong doing, and in some ways it parallels trump 's political career and his ability to evade accountability for years. why is the texas republican leadership willingly acting now? >> it's interesting. it's no surprise that he is close with donald trump and their allies, because their attitudes are very similar. the idea that he finally is being brought to justice in some capacity, to me speaks to dynamics within the conference where he's no longer viable politically. i will say that i have to agree with former nfl player, rising member of congress on the next senator from texas who said that paxton has been embarrassment to the state of
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texas for years. and so it is finally good to see something happening as it relates to accountability for him. >> well, after seeing the embrace nationally of donald trump, and in texas of paxton, i don't know. they can be embarrassed, but let me ask you this. very briefly, michael. as you know, i was very much involved in the george floyd case and movement, and this is the third anniversary of his killing. your thoughts on the future of police reform in congress? given this third anniversary. the george floyd bill did not get through the senate, and passed the house. what is your future and judgment? >> before i answer that question, let me thank you, rev, for the work you've done in terms of being a voice for the voiceless and all the situations. people are brought to justice for their actions, and so i want to thank you for that.
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i would say to you that i worked in the police reform and i was much more optimistic than something could get done. i think that in the short term, there may not be much movement in congress for police reform. we should get they act done. i'm not optimistic at the moment, but i think in the long term it's possible and probable. president biden did release a statement saying the congress needs to look at it again. but again, a lot is going to depend on the 24 election. we have to, go thank you michael hardaway. thank you general horn for being with us. coming, up a new addition is working to provide public support for students at america's hbcus. i'll talk with the chancellor of one of the country's most well-known colleges about how it will work. that's next. that's next. ♪
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have already walked their graduation stages, receiving their degree and preparing for what comes next in their lives. included in the class of 2023 are thousands of graduates from the nation's historically black colleges and universities. many having faced desperate challenges that predate their entry into college, and often impede their ability to exhibit a degree in hand. trying to fix those outcomes are dozens of hbcu administrators who historically have had to do more then then there ivy league peers. and they are getting help from
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the biden administration with a new initiative to help more black students cross the finish line. joining me now is -- chancellor of winston state university. thank you for joining us at the tail end of graduation season for dozens of black colleges nationwide. thousands of students have walked for their degrees already, some, out, imagine have been part of and rolling it hbcus reported in the last few years. and with that, the needs have grown. starting with the students themselves. to that end, a correlation of education, nonprofits led by thurgood marshall which represents nearly 50 black colleges. the recently announced the initiative called student success to boost graduation rates at hbcu's. looking specifically for the
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challenges black students often face. and not just getting into college, but getting to that graduation stage. what can you tell us about this? >> thank you for having me, reverend al. i appreciate the opportunity to be with you. this is a very important initiative that's happening, helping students graduate hopefully on time in 4 to 6 years. as you mentioned, many students that come to historically black colleges and universities, in winston-salem state university, 70% of our students are -- and they come from families that make less than $50,000 a year. so those are shown judges, trying to negotiate the experience when you come with those kinds of resources. it's important for us to be able to give them a real experience and that experience could have been when we provide the financial support to navigate their environment.
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having one on one coaching, significant mentoring for these students. that is vitally important in helping them negotiate higher education that is very challenging. even when you have those kinds of resources. >> i'm sure you've seen this, chancellor, but it was released earlier this month by the philanthropic research groups. they found that black colleges received 178 times less charitable funding than the average ivy league school in 2019. with the top 1000 u.s. foundations awarding just $45 million to hbcus in 2019, down from $65 million in 22. that is a 30% decline. not adjusting for inflation. the study compares 5.5 billion
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dollars at the nations ivy league schools from u.s. foundations in 2019. granted, those numbers predate the pandemic and the murder of george floyd. and president biden's budget for it has consistently called for hbcu funding. is the federal help enough to fill in the private gaps, chancellor? it is nowhere nearly enough, but what's happened over the past three years, and you have really articulated that it has been good for hbcus. we have seen the philanthropic community, much more engaged than ever before. after george floyd, and with significant philanthropic dollars that were pumped into hbcus. we talk about having historic situations where we've been under funded at the federal and state level.
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we talk about those philanthropic dollars. annual cooper -- we look at the endowments of the ivy league schools, and if you put the top ten endowments of hbcu's, it doesn't come anywhere near one of the institutions such as harvard, nowhere near that. but we have seen increases here. we have been really, really lucky and fortunate over the past two years to increase our endowment significantly. and that has been helpful for us. now we can take those dollars and supplemental funding that we get from the state level, and the federal level, and create opportunities for our students to have internships, external ships, scholarships, all of these things are important. making sure that every student that comes into an hbcu's a wonderful education experience. you can't do that without having those philanthropic dollars, as well as having significant support.
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both from the federal level, in our case, we are a state supported institution in north carolina. >> why are we talking about filling in gaps? black history is increasingly under attack. hbcu administrators are attempting to fight back on their campuses, trying to incorporate more black history into camps activities. trying to boost student alumni engagement. are you finding that your students, like my producers, and you are graduates, are they coming to winston salem state university with an incomplete of view of black history? coming out of america's high schools, and how does wsls you, a state school in a red state, push back against that? >> i think for us, we're thinking about how we can
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prepare students for the world. and you can't go into the world that having a complete understanding of the history of this institution. a complete understanding of being a well read in arts and literature, and all the other subject areas. so we have to make sure that our students are getting the best. what i will say, reverend al, as we approach the situation, this is nothing new. when you and i were in school we face this. this has always been a challenge that we have faced it hbcus and we are ready for the challenge. we will be strategically, will be innovative, we will be creative. but we will make sure that our students get what they need in order to go out into the world and negotiated successfully. >> we're out of time but i must ask you this very quickly. three years after the killing of george floyd, and the summer of marches and protests. is there a connection between that and the rise of enrollment
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in hbcus? do students feel safer it hbcus, is what i'm getting out? >> reverend al, i hope so. we work extremely hard to make sure that students feel safe. during the pandemic, we have seen an increase in anxiety, depression, and all of those kinds of things. we want to make sure that when students come to winston-salem state university, that we have services around them. our student success center is really the key hallmark of what we do. where students can go into that center, one stop shopping and get everything they need to be a successful student. and that is important to us, and we think we've done a good job in that arena. >> all right, elwood robinson. chancellor of winston-salem state university. thank you for being with us. up next, my final thoughts on this memorial day weekend. y ekweend. step one: feed them with miracle-gro shake 'n feed.
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reflect for memorial day tomorrow, we will honor the ultimate sacrifice made by some of our military's bravest men and women. as we do so, we must also remember the forgotten heroes and the lives they lost. to do that, we must go back to the last days of the civil war. in which thousands of black men, enslaved and freed, died. according to pulitzer prize winning historian -- it was the freed blacks of charleston, north carolina, who created proper burial plots for captured union soldiers who died. then decorated those graves. it is said 10,000 mostly black people then paid tribute through song and prayer and marches. they wrote in the 2000s one
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book that it was this tribute that gave birth to the american tradition of memorial day. this signals the start of summer with some moons and tributes for those who have given the ultimate sacrifice. but let's not forget, it began with those soldiers, some enslaved and some free that fought and died for a nation that did not fight for them. those are real heroes, as we remember all other heroes. and we should. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. buy one footlong, get one 50% off in the subway app today. now that's a deal worth celebrating. man, what are you doing?! get it before it's gone on the subway app. ♪♪
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watching, i'll see you back here next weekend at five p.m. eastern. right now, it's american voices with alicia menendez. >> thank you so much, reverend sharpton, hello everyone, i'm alicia menendez. we start this hour with breaking news in washington. president biden and house speaker kevin mccarthy working together votes to back their tempted deal to raise the nation's debt limit. the white house held a call with house democrats in the last hour, to hash out the details of the agreement that will avert a catastrophic default just days before the u.s. reaches its spending limit. two sources tell msnbc news, white house officials will also hold a call with senate democrats. that's happening in just about 30 minutes, and we'll bring you new details as soon as they come in. ea
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