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the mehdi hassan show, divided they fall. as a republican five repeal colors to expand, i can help but wonder are we about to see a 2016 repeat, with trump gliding to the gop nomination? blas, former labor secretary and top economist robert reich is here to help us understand the new debt limit deal, and whether democrats can get behind it, whether they should get behind it. and, democratic presidential candidate marion williams will also join us live to discuss her 2024 run, pushing president biden to the left and what she thinks this candidacy will and differently for her. good evening, i'm mehdi hassan. crisis averted, or so they say. earlier this evening, president biden addressed the nation detailing the debt limit deal

brokered in principle between his administration and top congressional republicans. >> the agreement prevents the words possible crisis, a default, for the first time in our nation's history an economic recession, retirement accounts devastated millions of jobs lost. also predicts key priorities, and accomplishments and values that congressional democrats and i have fought long for, long and hard for. the best thing america do is create good jobs around the country. >> now everyone feel the compromise leaves much to be desired, in the event of course that biden mccarthy can even find the votes to even pass it. however, joe biden is going to tell this is a big win in modern sense, it will take the debt limit issue off the table in 2024 meaning the gop primary field will have to find something else to use as a giant partisan cudgel against sitting presidents. that is, we are not busy squabbling amongst themselves. yes they already crowded

republican pace got to, count them, two new contenders this week. governor ron desantis of lawyer, and tim scott of south carolina joining the race. that was the official head count of announced khan coated its at seven, but we also know there are a host of other personalities reportedly waiting in the wings like pants, chris sununu and glenn youngkin to name a few. all of this begs the question, how republicans learn nothing, nothing at all since 2016? as jonathan martin writes in politico, if trump does emerge of the gop standard bearer next year, we will look back on this week to grasp why, just like in 2016 he was able to take a vantage of a divided opposition. indeed, with each additional carrier to enter the race the former presidents of the become the republican standard bearer, yet again, shoot up. what's more, it will be one thing if any of the former contenders were actually prosecuting the case against trump, but no if anything they are all running against each other. as knock off bargain bin copies of teflon don. consider florida man ron

desantis who, he has had a deeply embarrassing campaign reload on twitter this week. but also more significantly, and shockingly announced in 30 that he would be aggressive in issuing pardons, yes, pardons for january 6th insurrectionists. forgive me if i am mistaken, but i thought desantis was supposed to be the non-fascist alternative to trump. i guess not. unfortunately, tim scott the other man to formally toss his hat to the ring this week isn't any less trumpian, he's the lone black republican in the senate that's very noteworthy. and by all accounts, he is a friendly, amiable man. he smiles a lot, but he also voted in line with trump's position 96.7% of the time, when the no gop front runner occupy the white house. furthermore, apparently because of how nice and decent and amiable he is, he outright refuses to acknowledge a single one of the myriad of reasons that donald trump is dangerously unfit to be commander-in-chief again. but it is not fair to only slam senator scott for that, nobody in the gop field will dare

touch the far and away primary leader. instead, they just launched broadsides at one another. case and point, this nikki haley jab at ron desantis from earlier this week. >> i'm just mentioning what everybody else is saying. i mean, you look at the fact, the way he speaks, the way his hand gestures are, the fact that he has moved his policies what its ukraine and russia to entitlement reform, he's on a total one 80, he's totally copying trump. he needs to be his own person, he needs to get out there and say what he believes, what he thinks. if he's going to be an echo to trump, people would's vote for trump. >> i mean, she is right about desantis. but it's funny, she never has anything critical to say about her former boss donald trump. they say history does not repeat itself, it merely rhymes, but i don't know about that. all the mistakes that chris christie, that marco rubio, that ted cruz, that jab please clap bush. but all the also runs made in 2016, mary mimicked, copied, reproduce almost flawlessly by the likes of haley, desantis,

and scott, and the rest of this new crop of trump rivals. ladies and gentlemen, what did we learned a few short years ago? the more candidates that run, the stronger trump gets. the more they bicker with one another, the stronger trump gets. the more they refused to acknowledge there is an 800 pound authoritarian elephant in the room who possesses new fidelity to american democracy, the stronger trump gantz. i ask again, republicans, have you really learned nothing? joining me now to help answer that question, stuart stevens, senior adviser the lincoln project. mitt romney's chief strategist during his 2012 presidential campaign, and author of the memoir, it was all a lie. also with me, former florida republican congressman david jolly, now and nbc plus political ally, an ex republican. and molly john, fast host of the vanity fair special correspondent. thank you all for going tonight. molly, let me start with you. have republicans really learn nothing from 2016, or they learn a lesson but deep down they are kind of just okay with

another trump president? >> i mean, i think they think that they can't win without trump, but somehow they can't challenge trump. the idea, i mean, rhonda sanchez has sort of running as trump. he wants to say he is a more electable trump, but he can't admit that trump lost. i mean, you're going to have to convince the trump base that trump lost the 2020 election as a way of getting them to vote for him. i mean, they put themselves in such a pickle, and part of it is because they are part of this on reality caucus that trump is in. and so they can't, you know, to be the one person to introduce reality to this crew is going to be a very unpleasant job. >> and it's an ever-growing crew. stuart, it's pretty simple, is it not? the more republicans that ron, the easier it becomes for trump to win. what am i missing? >> you're not missing anything. i think the one difference between now and 16 is trump has always benefited before this, an inability to imagine donald

trump. you know, everybody in 16 just wanted to get one-on-one with trump, so they beat each other. there's no question in the republican party whether you can nominate a guy that was a failed casino owner who would talk in public about dating his daughter. that was just impossible. so, they didn't beat him. all you to do is get one on one. same thing happened in the general election, i think the inability to imagine trump winning and it up with hillary clinton leaving a lot of votes on the table. but trump has a base, and he's going to benefit from this, and none of these candidates except maybe asa hutchinson, who i think has done the best job here has really gone out and said why they would be different than trump. >> yes, it's a very good point. and david, the conventional gop wisdom say six months ago, a year ago was at trump's legal woes would seek his chances in the primary so none of his rivals would actually have to get their hands dirty. but that clearly is not the case.

the irony is his legal troubles or even worse than we thought they were, and yet not a single one of his rivals has updated the strategy. they have not even gonna, i think it's a witch hunt but it's a lot of baggage around to be carrying. they just never touched it. >> yeah that's right, mehdi. i think every single republican candidate other than donald trump, the basically the strategy is that only donald trump can ruin donald trump and somehow his legal challenges will ultimately take him down. but we are learning now that's not the case, it actually strengthens his hand. i would take a slightly different premise in this entire conversation and suggest this, think john hundred 16, 20, are going to 24 is convincing republicans of anything. i don't think donald trump benefits even from a split field. i think donald trump figured out how to hold a mirror up to the party. and donald trump said, i am who you are, and i will reflect who you are as a party. and all of these are the republican candidates, i bake myself into this a little bit. we are convinced that that's not where the party was, and somehow we could be more convincing to listen to the

better angels or go in the right direction. and that did not happen. donald trump is a perfect reflection of today's republican party, and the tail sign of that, many, is this. no other candidate that says is offering anything different to donald trump. they say i will either be more successful at it, but you might like me better but they are not offering a single thing different than donald trump because each of them now reflects today's republican party. >> yeah, i watched an interview that sean hannity did with tim scott a few weeks ago. he just could not answer easy softball from hannity. what we do differently than trump? molly, we learned this week that north dakota governor doug burgum is prepared to join the gop primary. matt, with the greatest spectacle north dakota, i've never heard of dog bergman told this week. what is the likelihood that people like burgum, there's a picture of him i have never seen the man. like chris sununu, like a south hutchinson are just thinking about running in order to, i'm not being cynical about this as a cable news host, but maybe just to try and get a cable

news contributor deal? or a book deal, or some sort of love from centrists. that they are not really serious candidate. >> i mean, certainly that's a good percentage. and again, chris crunchy may or may not run again, i don't know who that's a candidate for. even mike pence, who is a candidate for? i think, it's very unlikely that any of these people will get any traction, and certainly there is a ponded industrial complex that is waiting for them with book deals, and cable news -- and maybe they will join that complex. >> yeah, i mean chris christie is a classic example of that. he's going to run against trump having tried to get trump elected in 2016 in 2020. what credibility chris christie has. stuart, it was reported this week that milliner larry ellison spends plant spent tens of million dollars on tim scott's presidential campaign. scott has a miniscule chance of winning, so in practice, isn't this just going to keep a doa

candidate in the race longer. and again, give a bigger advantage to trump? >> yeah. you know, my answer to that is that's not enough money. it was like when i was asked to help with sarah palin's debate prep, my response was i'm not good enough. you know, it takes a message, otherwise you're just turning up noise louder when you spend more money. you know, that's the problem here. campaigns rarely and with the way people walloped and, they and because they either run out of money which is the main reason, or they just run out of time. so they'll hang in there. but listen, i think what david jolly said is really important, i've said this before, donald trump could not change the party he revealed the party. and he is what the party wants to be. and there's a reluctance to accept that, but it's the truth. and it's painful for a lot of us, but it's just inescapable true. >> it is indeed, and even

brutally honest about that in your book which is why often people to read or book. david, last word to you. you and i have talked a great deal about desantis and authoritarianism in florida. nevertheless, were you shocked by his announcement this week that he would, quote aggressively go after pardons for 16 insurrectionists? >> no many, affairs we conviction. i think ron desantis is far more dangerous than donald trump. for a very specific reason. donald trump is willing to ignore the, rules ignore the constitution, and frankly to the incitement of january 6th. but donald trump is a transactional figure, he will do whatever it takes to win. rhonda santas, i believe actually in his ethos is a culture warrior who wants to take us back 100 years and believes he can use the constitution to that and, and ultimately has a very dark vision of what america will be. so the idea of pardoning january 6th convicts, if you will at this point, is because

he believes we are engaged in a real war that he has to win. ron desantis is a very dark figure in the political landscape, far more dangerous than donald trump. >> and quick follow-up david, he is a dark figure, but it was hilarious on wednesday night when that twitter space thing fell apart. what do you think was going through his head? >> nine years ago fdr addressed milley american and radio, for elon musk and ron desantis could not address 100,000 on a twitter space. a humiliating night for ron desantis. >> made me laugh. molly, david, stewart thank you all for tonight, i appreciate it. still ahead, the debt deal is good, but the debt deal is also bad? i will explain. plus, former labor secretary robert reich is here to make sense of it all. that's next, do not go away. away. they're both blue!

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we have reached a bipartisan budget agreement that we are ready to move to the full congress. and i think it's a really important step forward, excuse me. it takes the threat of catastrophic default off the table, protects our hard earned and historic economic recovery, and the agreement also represents the compromises that means no one got everything they want. >> you heard it right there from the president, a compromise. the debt ceiling deal policy provisions which the house and senate democrats were briefed on earlier this evening include raising work requirements for federal aid, and increase the defense spending, and rolling back a funding for the irs. now, here's my take on it, while it's a good thing that we did not default on, it was that we're not going to. this agreement also is not necessarily a win for the american people, certainly not for the poorest americans. personally, i can't hear on a bill that makes it harder for the most vulnerable people in our society to access basic necessities, or one that could

prevent the irs from being able to effectively catch tax evaders. one that allows republicans to say the terms of debate on spending, so, what is topper gets of economist robert reich, public policy professor university of california berkeley, and more former secretary of labor under bill clinton? was the thing about all, he joins me now. bob, thank looking back on the show. and his remarks earlier this evening, president biden frame this agreement as the only way forward, and good for the american people and for the democratic party in his administration. do you agree with it? are you happy with the steal, and the spending cuts that are involved? >> now, mehdi. i don't think that's the point of it. this is the deal. what the republicans did, essentially, is subject all of us, the entire nation to being held hostage. and this was the negotiation in which the hostage takers, and the alternative is the entire system, both our political and economic system, mostly our economic system on blows up. what can you say about it?

well, you know, the best thing i can say, that can be said about this deal is it is not as bad as it might have been. but, it's pretty -- it still has a lot of stuff that you have to hold your nose to. >> yeah, we'll put. the united states, bob, it's one of the only two countries in the world with illegal debt ceiling. the other one is denmark, and denmark sets it so high it's a relevant. we were talking in the last hour about how this new agreement, you know, puts the debt ceiling off until 2025, but we assume it will rear its ugly head again, especially if republicans control the house and the senate in 2025. all of this is to say, isn't it time to get rid of the dam debt ceiling rather than kicking the can down the road allowing the gop to use it as a hostage every two years? >> of course it is. and the fact that that democrats could not do it when they had both house of congress, when they controlled both houses of congress is a pretty damning indictment on the

democrats, and sinema, and manchin in the whole crowd that did not want to go along with anything like this. look, one of the problems here is by caving into this republican effort to use the debt ceiling as a hostage taking operation, it sets the norm for the next time the republicans will do exactly the same thing, assuming that the democrats have any power, and assuming the democrats are in the white house. so it's going to get worse, it's not going to get better. and by doing in this way, i think biden and democrats have made a terrible mistake, it should never have gotten to this point. >> indeed. and you've called out republicans fake outrage on the debt, pointing out the tax cuts out of the bush and trump administrations that have had ten trillion dollars to the country's debt since they were enacted. so what is a gop game plan here? they don't actually care about debts, or deficits, or fiscal

prudence. what is that they care about? >> they care about power. they care about asserting power, about showing that they have power, about diminishing the democrats, about demonstrating to the extent that they possibly can that joe biden is weak. that is their whole game plan. i mean, they never talked about deficits, they never talked about the debts. as you pointed out, if you look at the reagan and bush and trump tax cuts for the wealthy, primarily for the wealthy and big corporations. i mean, that's where a lot of today's debt and deficit come from, and you add in military spending, and that's it. i mean, this is a charade, and everybody should know it's a charade. i think the biden administration's communications strategy also should be called out as a pretty awful. again, the best thing that can be said as this was not a worse

deal, but it's going to be tough going over the next week to get the 218 votes that biden needs and also kevin mccarthy needs. >> it's interesting you pointed out the -- i've been critical of it today. vendors of the biden votes they, no no, no this is how you negotiate. you stay silent, you're talking behind the scenes, you get a bipartisan agreement. the problem with that approach, of course, if he misses the big picture. and the big picture is that republicans are not to sell spending cuts of some sort of inherently good economic move, and we have to do this whole charade again in 2025 because we haven't delegitimized the idea of a debt ceiling. there's also, as you say, the charade around debts and deficits. i would point out to, you bob, in this agreement this deal cuts back the money that biden wanted the irs to spend on chasing tax cheats, money that actually increases tax revenues and decreases the deficit. this deal, the irs cut part of it, will actually increase the deficit and debt ironically. >> absolutely right.

in fact, the irony upon the irony is that those tax cheats are mostly very wealthy people. so you're going to actually aggravate, exacerbate inequality in this country. and you're going to allow the wealthy to get away with cheating on their taxes, they were the ones who were cheating before and that's why the irs did not have the resources to go after them. that's where the irs needed more resources, and at the same time, you're putting extra work requirements on some of the most vulnerable people in our society. aggravate saying the central dilemma of our society which is the widening gap between the very, very rich and the lower middle class, working class and the poor. >> one last question for, you bob, i don't want to end it on doom and gloom. progressives on the left say, look biden this is who he is. he sold us out, he's not progressive enough. and yet, to be fair to joe biden he did well at a progressive things in his first two years in office. we did cut child poverty in half in the first year, the

american rescue plan was record spending. there seems to be almost two butternut ministration's right now. the first two years it was very progressive, and now this one that is going in for spending cuts and agreeing to republicans defining the terms of economic debate. >> well, that's true. but also let me in a very positive note. the environmental, the kind of, climate change provisions that biden really did put into the inflation reduction act are still there. they were not touched by this deal, and hopefully if the deal does gould and let's hope and pray to us because the alternative, again, it's armageddon. then there is a lot for biden to crow about. >> yes, and of course the spending and inflation reduction act was described by the biden administration act the biggest investment in fighting climate change in american history, so you are right to highlight that it has been protected, and that is undeniably good thing. bob reich, thank you as ever for your time and for your

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president is bringing up in this country, then i am afraid that the democrats are going to see some very dark days. >> she also made a very eloquent case in favor of reparations for slavery. and that night, became the most search candidate on google. and although williamson may have dropped out of the race, she has remained politically active ever since, becoming popular with younger voters especially on platforms like tiktok. and now marianne williamson is entering the presidential race again, this time against sitting president joe biden, painting herself as the more progressive candidate. williamson recently laid out what she calls an economic bill of rights, which runs to the left of president ridings economic policies and includes the right to a job that pays a living wage, and universal quality health care. but given that she can't win, why is she running? marion williamson joins me now all the way from london. marianne williamson, thank you so much for coming on the show. i know it's late where you are, let start with an obvious question. where are you running against joe biden? why do you believe he does not

deserve a second term as a democratic president? >> you said a couple of things tonight that were interesting. he said well, he has given more investment in green energy and inflation that had never been done, he also approve the willow project which completely nullifies those investments. he has also given more oil drilling permits even than trump did. so this idea that he has done more investment in green energy, please let's not pretend this is the great climate change president. you also mentioned that he cut child poverty and a half, that is interesting. yeah he did, with a child tax credit and guess what? six month after they did it expired and i did not bother to permitted ties it. so, there are a lot of parts in which the president has that he is done things. he has made some incremental changes, i do not want to give him credit where credit is due, although you did just now, and i think that clearly if we really want to kind of economic reform that the people of the united states deserve, which certainly was not granted to the american people tonight who

had this very, very sad negotiation with the debt ceiling. then we're going to have a president who says and does what he really needs, and makes changes are necessary. >> i have also spent much of night criticizing's negotiation -- just to be clear -- just to be clear since you mentioned the debt limit, forget everything else much to discuss with you. what do you make of the debt agreement? what would a president williamson upton differently? >> you know what's interesting, because when he spoke about there was that is in your voice. and then robert reich spoke about, there was sadness. it was a sad night. first of all, i would never have negotiated with economic terrorists. this is not -- kevin mccarthy was not a good faith actor here. the president does not play to win, and this was a perfect example of that. so, why workers in every negotiating? there were some legal scholars who said he could not invoke the 14th amendment, other say even if you don't invoke the 14th amendment there or otherwise you could've gotten the money. so when you see what the president williams and have done? i would never have negotiated with that man. the constitution of the united

states said that our faith will be good -- we will be in good faith, our bills will be paid, and our bills could have been paid. i would not have negotiated with that man. >> so what do you say to those who point out that yes, you are popular with younger voters and on tiktok, but you can't win a democratic presidential primary. you are essentially a spoiler candidate. and so by primer ink biden, all you were doing is weakening him in the general and making it easier for republicans to beat him in 2024, and will be a very tight election. >> well the two things about what you said. first of all, he said i'm a spoiler candidate. i am not a spoiler candidate, i am running in a primary, so you can be a spoiler if you're running in a primary. the second thing you said was this narrative you can't win. isn't that what people said about donald trump? i will win, if people vote for me. i believe that in a democracy people should have as wide and array of options before them as there are candidates running on agendas.

that's what our democracy is. we need to protect our democracy right now, that is obviously everyone. the way to protect our democracy is by using your democracy. candidate suppression is a form of voter suppression. so this idea that i'm a spoiler, no i'm not a spoiler, i am a candidate in a primary and it is very important that i believe that the president debate me, that the president debate any other people who are challenging him. at a time like this when fascists are clearly at the door we should be having a very serious conversation about what it will take to defeat them, and not just accepting what the dnc has to say because a few elites have decided what's going to be joe biden. >> if you are a viewer of the show, i don't know if you are. i'm very clear about the fascists, which is why i worry about a divided opposition to a fascist threat. and just to be clear, you are right donald trump did win against expectations. but to be fair, donald trump entered the 2016 race and lead in the polls throughout. i think it was one briefing where ben carson overtook him. otherwise he led the entire

time. you got, correct me if i'm wrong, you never win of more than 1% in the polls in 2020. so i have to ask, what makes you think four years later yes, now is my time? >> okay, first of all. i've been up to 11% this time. right, that's number one. and number two, there is an ameliorate effect and someone telling the truth. somebody needs to tell the truth about this country, which the american people know. please remember mehdi, 70% of the people do not want him to run again. the american people, 70% of the american people who live in chronic economic anxiety. you've got 64% of americans who can't afford a 400 dollar unexpected expenditure. we have 60% of americans who are living paycheck to paycheck. one in four americans with medical debt. you have 18 million americans who could not even afford to pay for the prescription that their doctors give them. >> adrian all of that. so what are you proposing to do that's different to joe biden? briefly explain to our viewers

what is your policy platform, briefly? >> my policy platform is that the american people should have an opportunity for economic u-turn, for fundamental economic reform. we should have the same things that every other advanced democracy has. we should have universal health care, we should have free college tuition and tech school, we should have free childcare, we should've paid family leave, we should have guaranteed sick pay, and we should have a guaranteed living wage. we should have an economic bill of rights. we have a country where there has been a massive transfer of wealth into the hands of 1% of our people, it has completely destroyed our middle class and it is now baked into the cake of how our political system operates, that we will continue to make it easier for people who already have to get more and everyone else to struggle to make it. the majority of americans live in constant economic anxiety in the richest country in the world. >> so i agree, marianne, with your analysis. and i agree with a lot of policies you are outlining.

the issue is i guess you. and you mentioned donald trump, i spent a lot of time of this show referring to donald trump as a former reality tv star. not just to be snarky, but also to remind people that he had no business running for president. he had zero experience, zero qualifications. and with respect, doesn't the same applied to you? i mean, i'm angry with a lot of your policies, but that does not mean that you, marianne williamson self help author, bestselling author, former spiritual adviser to oprah when fury are qualified to lead the country, to the commander-in-chief, to run the federal government, to have your finger on the nuclear button. doesn't experience matter? >> yes. well, let's look at what those experience people have done for us. look at all is experienced people who took us into a rock. look at all those experienced people who kept us in afghanistan 20 years too long. look at all is experienced people who have not -- >> i agree with you, but also look at donald trump. that's the guy, that's the last person we had any had no experience. >> donald trump's problem as president was not that he had not been in politics, it's the

nature of his character. if donald trump had had a different kind of person who surrounded him, donald trump would have been a different kind of president. and, you know, the founders did not say that in order to run for president you had to have had political experience because we are leaving it to every generation to determine it for itself. one of the qualifications for a leader at this time? my qualifications are that i have been around enough to see this country operates, i've been around a very rich in the very powerful, i have been around the very disadvantaged,, do not have money, do not have power and i have seen how this country operates. i have seen it up close, and i am in that in this candidacy saying what everybody knows, this society is rigged at this point. this society is not even operating as a real democracy. we have already moved into the area of oligarch-y, whether it's oil companies, or defense contracts, insurance companies, or big pharmaceutical

companies. they run this country, many, and you know what i've heard you say. >> i said to you, i agree with you on the policy stuff. let's talk about, you again, you. you mentioned character, politico in march interview 12 or 2020 staff, and you painted a picture of a coat of a boss who can be verbally abusive. 12 said you screening people till they cry, three city through phones at your staffers, you've denied all those allegations and called him categorically untrue. and yet last week and your deputy campaign manager resigned, and then your campaign manager resigned back-to-back. why is, it marianne, that so many people who work for you don't seem to like working for you? >> well, how come so many -- i have never thrown a foam okay? have i raise my voice? absolutely. i've never throw my phone at someone -- i raise my voice at times, and i'm sorry. if you were tried in a court of law, there are rules of due process. and the person who is being

prosecuted has a chance to bring up their own witnesses, et cetera. when you tried in the media they can say anything. if i am raising my voice, and have offended anyone, or made anyone feel that in any way than i am sorry, but that does not mean that i -- i think the narrative that was painted in that picture, in that article was not in any way through. and once again, things like i threw a phone, never. >> one final question, we are out of time but i got asked. just to be clear, yes or no will you support the democratic presidential candidate in 2024, whoever it is, against a republican candidate whoever that is? yes or no? >> you know, washington's farewell address warned us about political parties because he said people could be more into their facts, supporting their factions than their country. i will support my country. i will do everything i can to keep a fascist out of the white house, but i agree with franklin roosevelt. we will not have to worry about a fascist takeover in this

country as long as democracy delivers on its promises. democracy is not delivering on its promises. i will do whatever i can to help the american people vote for an agenda by which democracy will deliver on his promises. that's the way to keep a fascist out of the white house. >> marianne williamson, candidate for the democratic presidential nomination. thank you so much for coming on the show, thank you so much for staying up late for us tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> mainstream brands have publicly supported lgbtq rights for years, but now our summer caving into a vocal minority of right-wing zealots. i'll talk more about that after a short break. t break. d me felt more energy in just two weeks. uh... here i'll take that. -everyone: woo hoo! ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein, one gram of sugar. enter the nourishing moments giveaway for a chance to win $10,000. paradontax blood when you brush could lead to worse over time.

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through target retail stores this week, wreaking havoc and threatening violence upon anyone who dared to get in their way all because of targets participation in pride month. these extremists clearly hate our freedoms, our tolerance, our way of wait, wait, wait on being told it wasn't muslim extremists who tore through target stores, it was conservative extremists. yes, fresh off their astroturf

to boycott a bud light for daring to feature a transgender spokesperson and in instagram ad, right-wing media establishment set their crosshairs on target. and the dogs of war they did unleash, as overnight sitting the everyone's worst conservative uncle at thanksgiving dinner took it upon themselves to breach the walls of targets woke clothing department and trash the rainbow prize displays and a cost store employees in the process. the attacks on target was so ferocious, so relentless, the threats of violence so severe and real that target corporate on tuesday announced plans to remove some of the lgbtq themed pertinent ice from their store shelves. now they're two very disturbing angles for this particular story. neuro on, unlike the bud light boycott that was largely confined to internet comment sections, the targeting of target has involve an actual physical component manifesting as altercations with retail employees, breaking stuff, pulling stuff down, threats. i should point out here that

threatening violence, or behaving violently for political purposes is a literal definition of terrorism. and number two, the episode symbolizes a disturbing backsliding when it comes to protection of minority rights in this country. recall, back in 2016, target paid no heed to the right-wing's rage over its trans inclusive bathroom policy, they did not. and yet, this time around, target just capitulated to basically threats of terror. see, rainbow capitalism, pink washing, whatever you want to call it is a thorny topic especially in the queer community. but one thing we can all agree on is that it serves as a pretty effective barometer for growing tolerance in this country. and yet today it is not just far right loons who were frothing at the mouth over targets pride displays, the heritage foundation, the allegedly sober, serious adult in the room conservative think tank is circulating groomer panic messaging that some might say is indistinguishable from that on far-right fortune

forums. ceo of turning point usa, charlie kirk, also addressed a target situation saying the only thing we understand is force, pain is a teacher. right-wing darlings like candace owens echoed him, saying quote, don't show up at target unless you are a pervert. even republican senator j.d. vance tweeted that target is quote, waging war on its conservative customer base and says he would be boycotting target. the rage monger-ing use eagles all the way to the top. as i have pointed out before, muslim extremists as bad as it was, is, never had the support of one of our two major political parties, and a big chunk of our media. what it comes to the domestic extremist of today though, they are indulge by the gop, and incited by the folks over at fox. the hypocrisy, by the way, is breathtaking. the conservatives who love to engage and don't stay histrionics whenever a homeless person shop lives a loaf of bread from a san francisco grocery store, those same

people have no issue with one and maniacs tearing through target stores, destroying private property, and menacing minimum wage retail workers. because you know it's about the gays, the writings that it is not. they say no one really objected to pride or queer people until kids started being targeted, no pun intended. sorry about, wasn't it literally last week that you all were boycotting a woke beer company? personally, i don't know too many ten year olds who kickback on friday nights for the bud light. so look, this isn't a matter of save the children, it's not about the kids. this is about conservatives going after yet another minority community, using the very visibility of gay and transgender people as a wedge issue, and as a way of healing up another fake moral panic. as i say, the hypocrisy is breathtaking. the american right pretend to warship free speech, until people or corporations they don't like exercise it.

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