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senator chris murphy is coming up with a view from congress, and vice president's top economic adviser is stand by as well. plus, all of the technical glitches during his ill-fated announcement, we heard something awfully concerning regarding the kind of conservative ron desantis is. also today, eye-popping reporting on the destruction of the mar-a-lago documents investigation. and later, ukraine is on the brink of launching its counteroffensive against russia. i'll ask the ambassador what success looks like and how they hope to achieve it. so late last night a deal to raise the debt ceiling was struck between the white house and speaker kevin mccarthy. while the president was able to

protect most of his priorities including medicaid, student debt relief, around funding to fight the climate crisis, he did make clear in his stand he doesn't love everything in it, and a number of democrats aren't going to like what they see either, work programs that help poor people, people who need it most. the deal does not include the kind of slash and burn spending cuts. we'll see how that goes. so the next few days could still be a roller coaster to get this passed in the house and avoid a default. if you're in the white house right now, my former colleagues are breathing a sigh of relief. this is a big step forward. they protected a lot of programs they care deeply about, but they're still bracing themselves for the grind of getting it over the finish line. but before we watch the ups and downs over the next few days, it's important to realize the fact that we're here because kevin mccarthy and the white

house led us to the brink. he basically played chicken with marjorie taylor greene. let's be clear. this has not been some savvy political leadership with kevin mccarthy where he finally became leader and has the political chops and know-how to do that. the white house democratic leadership and i bet even mitch mcconnell, this is like trying to stop someone from burning down their own neighborhood at the encouragement of their own friends. the debt ceiling has been raised and kevin mccarthy voted for all of them. what did mccarthy and the republicans get over the last few weeks? less money for fighting covid, less spending and less money for

families who need help. congratulations, kevin mccarthy, hope you feel good about it. hope it was worth it. ultimately the opposite of setting the economy on fire would have been much worse. don't forget, we should have never been here in the first place. joining me now is chris murphy of connecticut. so much i want to talk about, but i do want to start with the debt limit deal. what we know so far is the debt ceiling would be raised for two years, 1% cap on non-defense spending to the 2025 fiscal year, claws back unspent covid-19 funds, expanded work requirements for certain adults on food stamps, and rescinds coming from the irs? >> it's important to note we're still learning the details. let's be clear.

i want to underscore what you said. there's been an enormous amount of damage to the u.s. i've come from overseas and every newscast has led with the republican-imposed chaos in the united states. the republican party is addicted to chaos. the presidency and the default to the crater of the economy. it's terrible for our ability to draw investment. i wasn't a fan of negotiating over the debt ceiling and over default, but president biden sat down with confidence that he could work out a deal that didn't give in to the most draconian, most outrageous of the republican demands. and from what i can see, republicans didn't get any of the big things they were asking for. they didn't get massive long-term cuts for the poor or the middle class. they didn't get the repeal of the president's signature renewable energy bill.

they didn't get big new requirements pushing people out of the medicaid program. so i'm going to take a look at what's on the table, but it's pretty clear president biden kept the most reckless things republicans were asking for out of this agreement. >> it seems easier to get through this, or that's the rumor. there are some colleagues like mike lee who said he would relieve it if it didn't meet his satisfaction. there have been some rumblings. are you or some of the other democrats prepared for the finagling to delay this? >> you're really playing with fire. it's going to take at least three to four days to get through the house of representatives, and it could take as long as a week if the republicans use all of the procedural tactics. >> it's too long. >> it's something we would never recover from.

part of the reason i was reluctant to get involved in these negotiations, i think there's a swath of the republican party that wants us to default. >> in the house or the senate? >> i think mostly in the house. you see the freedom caucus ready to rally the troops against this deal. my worry is there still may not be enough republicans in the house to get this deal done, so, yes, there are a lot more responsible voices in the republican party in the senate, but it can't get to us if kevin mccarthy can't deliver his caucus. >> how worried are you there may not be enough votes? is that a real risk we should be bracing ourselves for? >> i think we should be worried about. that i hope kevin mccarthy knows his caucus. i don't think there's evidence of that when he was counting his own votes for speakership. the president has done the best possible job he could do here. it's now speaker mccarthy's job

to speak with the majority. now he has to show that he can actually lead this caucus to a result. >> it could be a rocky road. i wanted to turn to the 2024 race and specifically foreign policy being discussed in that race. ron desantis is the newest candidate to really struggle to answer the question. he called the war, quote, a territorial dispute, which you know is a kremlin talking point. and then, of course, donald trump couldn't articulate during a cnn town hall. you just came back from an overseas trip. you spent a lot of time working on these issues. i just want people to understand if he's elected as it relates to the war in ukraine. >> i don't oppose anybody. what's worrying, as you mentioned, it does seem to be very specifically worded russian talking points that find their way into the comments of ron

desantis or donald trump. this is not a territorial dispute, right? this is good versus evil. this is a country that is intentionally targeting civilians, that is essentially trying to disrupt the entire world war ii order which big countries don't invade small countries. ukrainians aren't asking for ukrainians to fight the war. they're asking for help to pay for their effort to make sure that we don't unleash big countries like russia or china invading smaller countries. so to me it's really worrying that you don't really know right now where donald trump or ron desantis or the entire republican party stands. i think the american public knows the fight matters and they're going to pay a price depending on which side they're on. >> one thing we don't talk about a lot is the role of russia

intervening in the election of 2016. is that something they're talking about or you're concerned about happening in 2024? >> they absolutely are going to get involved in this election. they're going to try to influence this election if they think a republican candidate will pull the united states out of the war because without the united states right now, russia marches into kyiv. i mean that's just the reality. so russia wins the war if the united states withdraws its support, and now that they see signals from desantis and trump that they're going to do russia's bidding, i really think that's a green light for the russians to play a lot of the same games, maybe even more sew facety dated, maybe more overt games than they played in 2016. >> so they're watching the republican primary and seeing what they say. before i let you go, i wanted to ask you about saudi arabia. there, of course, has been a lot of interest from some of your republican colleagues about president biden and his family

and finances. meanwhile donald trump is still very cozy with the crown prince of saudi arabia and is hosting another liv golf tournament on one of his properties. what questions do you still have about donald trump and his family business and kind of these relationships? >> i guess i don't have that many questions. i think we know exactly what's going on here. donald trump's relationship with the saudis is all about making money for his family. you know, everybody sort of scratched their heads when the first trip he made as president of the united states was to saudi arabia, a brutal dictatorship in the middle of the middle east. it kind of makes sense now. you see literally within donald trump leaving office, his son-in-law cutting a deal with the saudis, and you see donald trump profiting from the saudi-led golf townment. i think donald trump has made it very clear if you re-elect him, he's going to simply use the

white house as a means to enrich himself or his family. he's not hiding that at all. not a lot of questions. he basically has a lot of questions. >> chris murphy, thank u for joining me. coming up next, will brainard joins me to talk about the debt deal limit drawn last night. plus it was amusing, desantis's twitter event. also the u.s. is shedding more light on the charges donald trump could face on the mishandled documents found at mar-a-lago. we're just getting started, and we'll be back after a quick break. d we'll be back after a quick break. this is sadie. she's on verizon. the network she can count on. and now she's got myplan. the game changing new plan that lets her pick exactly what she wants, and save on every perk. sadie's getting her plan ready for a big trip. travel pass, on. nice iphone 14 pro! cute couple.

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starts now. we're still waiting to hear the final details and see the final text, but in the meantime i want to bring someone who's been closely advising the president and negotiators while keeping a close eye. after just a few months on the job, she's already had to deal with the near collapse and collapse of several banks in massachusetts and now a debt ceiling fight, so they're keeping you busy over there, lil. thank you for joining me this morning. i want to talk about some of the deals that are out there. we're hearing about a debt ceiling two-year extension. protection of a lot of priorities the president had as it relates to medicaid, fighting the climate crisis, but are those details accurate? is there anything you would add to that that came out of the deal that hasn't come out yet? >> it's nice to be here, jen.

i think lifting up, the most important thing, we have taken the threat of catastrophic default off the table so that the president's strong economic recovery can continue. don't forget we've made proog over the last two years. so in terms of the agreement in principle that the president reached, it was very important to the president that his historic achievements on infrastructure investment, investment in semiconductors, in clean energy, in climate, all of those things protected social security, medicare, medicaid protection. protections for veterans secured and essentially a two-year budget agreement that starts at the long levels that were

secured a the end of last year. >> now, you've been advising the negotiating team all through this. to give us a sense, you probably have not slept in a couple of weeks very much, and i want to ask you about what was the hardest part and last pieces? i mean this agreement on food benefits and cuts temporarily, was that the hardest part or the hardest pill to swallow for the white house? >> i would say that this negotiation has been very lengthy and detailed. the president asked his negotiators to stand tough on all the priority programs that have been protected, and, yes, we did see that the issue of some of the most important programs for vulnerable americans were on the table. as you know, the speaker's bill would have put 21 million americans at risk of losing med kachltd those cuts are off the

table entirely. there were discussions on food assistance, very important to the president, that no vulnerable americans should lose access to food assistance. so while at the end of the day there is an increase from the age of 49 to 54 and the kinds of work requirements that already exist in food assistance, which was not something that the president wanted to see. on the other hand, his team secured exemptions for the entire population from the 18 to the whole 55 age spectrum for spectrums, for people who are housing insecure, for people who have been in the foster system. those are new protections there provide greater action stoes many americans. >> so even though you have a deal that was a herculean toosk get done, now it's about getting it through. the chair of the progressive

caucus, pramila jayapal said you brief her last night. let's listen to that and then we'll talk about it on the other side. democrats watching at the white house, hakim jefferies and others, do they still have to worry about the progressive caucus and whether your -- >> yes. >> okay, thank you. >> yes, they have to worry. >> so are you confident that you're going to have the votes to get this through, this bill through the house? >> yeah, so as i have spoken to democratic members including congresswoman jayapal, of course, everyone is going to look carefully at the agreement. but, again, i think the most important thing is that we protect the progress. this is a strong economy -- with good jobs for hard-working americans and protecting those jobs, that progress, protecting the important programs that people depend on.

i think at the end of the day, those are going to be the considerations that really lead to a strong outcome for this. >> so one of the many parts of your very impressive background is you were the vice chair of the federal reserve. i'm not going to ask you to speak about the federal reserve, but you do know about the markets. there have been warnings that the u.s. could be degraded. is that something you're concerned about or something you're watching? >> by far the most important thing is the threat of default has been taken off the table. it's been taken off the table for two years, so that's very significant in terms of allowing the economy to continue to make progress and to ensure that we don't see the kinds of dramatic stops -- drops in the stockmarket that would have really taken a bite out of people's retirement savings, so, no, i think right now this agreement in principle, congress

can move and get this done on time, than really takes that kind of risk off the table. >> there have been some -- i won't call them silly conspiracy theories out there. it's the treasury calculating when they can pay the final bills. is june 5th the final date of the end here? >> as you know, the treasury secretary has been updating congress since january, warning the date at which the government can no longer pay its obligations. maybe as soon as early june. as she got closer to the date, the secretary has been giving additional updates. the most recent as you notice says june 5th. of course, we're getting closer and closer to the date, so the amount of certainty about her projections gets volcanoer and stronger. that's why it's so important for congress to act torsion pass

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endure 20 minutes of delays, disruptions, and false starts, and many on the left an right had quite a field day ridiculing his twig irannouncement on twitter while it was happening. that's never the goal. given the hype, it wasn't in the desantis communications plan for the most common descriptions of the events, words like meltdown, disaster, and worse. of course, this wasn't the first time desantis has had to deal with this. there was the stylish white boots he wore to investigation the hurricane and the laugh their that went viral that's uncomfortable to watch. and then there was the eating of the pudding with his fingers which was in the trump campaign ad. we can talk about those awkward moments. there will be more. here's the thing, none of that nor his apparent failure to

launch of wednesday night should detract from what he's actually saying. what's been largely said is his attempts to purge if the fbi and fire christopher wray. and like trump, he's talking about pardoning the insurrectionists of january 6 including former president himself. the most alarming is his plan to, quote, leverage article 2 of the constitution. art call 2 outlines the limits of what a u.s. president can and account k not do for good reason. it serves as a crucial guardrail on the powers of the executive branch. and desantis has made repeatedly clear this week he's not actually interested in any limitations or guardrails at all. he's already forecasted if he's elected, he'll find ways to sidestep constitutional reins on

pow sneer i understand the different leverage points that you would have under article ii of the constitution. i studied that a lot becoming governor about florida's con constitution, doing the same thing for the federal government. >> the guy has a law degree from harvard. he knows what article ii of the constitution says. he's effectively telling you he wants to do an end run around it. this wasn't a one-off remark. he said it again later wednesday night. >> we have an article that's totally out of control. we need to bring it to power. i will do that. >> he mentioned noo article ii again the very next day. >> i think you need to clean house. you have to be able to use article ii to fire people.

>> are you beginning to sense a theme here? clearly he will wield power even beyond what donald trump did, and he made that crystal clear on thursday when he said as president he would stretch things further than his predecessors. >> you also have to be willing to assert the true scope of article ii powers, and i think a lot of our presidents have not been willing to do that. >> desantis is messaging to the maga base he'll succeed where trump did not. and let's remember, trump tried to get away with a whole lot. for desantis, this is not leadership or finding consensus, certainly not about respect for the office he's seeking or the constitution. it's about power. he's made no secret of that. you need only look at his recent remarks about how he governs in florida. >> yes, i may have earned 50% of the vote, but that entitled me

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so here's a headline that likely god donald trump's attention again this week. as his probe wraps up, potential charges are near. that will wake you up. jack smith is poised to announce possible criminal charges days or weeks after memorial day. what specific charges can be on the menu? two trump employees moved boxes of papers the day before a visit by the fbi to retrieve classified documents in response to a subpoena. investigators see that timing as suspicious. of course, they do. so the obstruction piece definitely seems to be in play. of course, there's the question what trump did with these documents and who he might have showed them to. on that point, the "post" rights prosecutors have gathered evidence indicating that trump at times kept documents and they

were visible and showed them to others. i'm not a lawyer, but that certainly looks bad. we do have a lawyer with us who's also a national assistant attorney general for the u.s. department of justice, which means she's basically the person to talk to about all of this. if trump did december sem nate classified documents to others, are charges under the espionage act a real possibility or what could that mean? >> they definitely are. i do want to make clear the espionage act refers to a number of substitute autos that don't always mean classic espionage, like showing it to foreign governments. but there are many provisions that relate to the mishandling of classified information, including showing it to people who are not authorized to see it. here if there's evidence that

mr. trump did show classified documents to people who aren't authorized to see them or even share the information -- >> like they don't have the proper clearance. >> that's right. even with clearances, you have to have a need to know to be entitled to see classified information. that could mean additional charges under what was already one of the statutes contemplated in the search warrant affidavit, but there's another statute as well that applies when you willfully communicate classified information about intelligence systems some of depending on what the system was, there could be an additional charge or charges under that statute. >> so there's a difference between things that sound alarming and what could be proven in court. but what would special counsel need to have to prove they showed the documents to others in a way that's illegal? >> knowledge and intent.

it can't be by mistake. it can't be that someone walked in and saw them on his desk unless there was evidence he had someone purposely walk in and see them. the law requires for what you do in order to be criminally culpable, you know that you're doing it. obviously if we're sitting at a table in his office and i hand you a document, i'm doing that willfully and intentionally. so that's the kind of thing that would need to happen. i will say also that even if jack smith doesn't come up with the evidence concrete enough to prove every element of communicating classified information to someone else, the fact that there's evidence that suggests that he did is also a factor in using his own discretion to decide whether to bring charges at all. it makes it more serious. it ups the ante. what about moving the boxes? it happened on some level.

would jack smith need to know or need proof that donald trump himself directed it, had knowledge of it? what would he need to have? >> here we're talking about evidence of obstruction or an investigation, and that could include concealing documents that are relevant to that investigation. so, again, you need to know trump has somehow got a hand in it. it's not just people working on it for their own, moving boxes around, but he has somehow not necessarily said move these boxes on this day, but if he had said at some point, would you bring me the boxes from the storage room so i can look at them because you may recall some months ago there was reporting about potentially reporting video evidence that showed removing boxes from the storage room. now we have information about them putting boxes back in the storage room. so if the former president were to have said would you bring me boxes? and when he was finished they

put them back, that would be sufficient intent he was looking through the boxes and perhaps keeping some of the documents. another bing thing was the sentencing of oath keeper founder stuart rhodes. help us nonlawyers understand here. why wouldn't trump also be guilty of seditious conspiracy if stewart rhodes was just convicted and given a sentence. >> this is something jack smith and some of the others are looking into, not just was did he conspire with others to commit to a use of force and violence to interfere with the execution of u.s. law, that u.s. law being counting the electoral college ballots on january 6th, that's part of it. i don't know that jc smith will come up with enough. there are other relevant crimes such as fraud on the united states, false statements, et

cetera. but what i think is important here is stewart rhodes was a ringleader. he did not himself go into the capitol. he himself did not assault a police officer. still he was held responsible and got a significant, significant sentence. that's not the first time we've seen it where a leader -- people can be responsible've phen they're not the ones on the grounds doing the dirty work. >> thank you so much. i look forward to talking with you again bchl sewer to check out mary's msnbc series podcast, "prosecuting donald trump." up next, we just got a major update about what could fw a pivotal new phase on the war in ukraine. the ambassador to ukraine from the u.s. joins me when we come back. e from the u.s. joins me when we come back ♪ searching lower prices, ♪

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russia. meanwhile russia is sustaining several thousand soldiers on the battlefield. the head of the wagner group said russian pair military groups have been with drawing from the city and suggested russia could change top leadership, skpoeding another rift with president vladimir putin. all of this is happening as the united states and the world is beginning a ukrainian counteroffensive. the national security council said this week, quote, it could happen tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, or in a week. we still don't know. but what's important to know is this summer could be crucial for ukraine to break the stalemate, and i can't think of anyone to discuss it better than my next guest, the ambassador to the united states. thank you so much for taking the time to spend time with me this afternoon.

they said it could happen tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, or next week. >> we all are praying every day as russia attacks our cities like today kyiv was bruit stally ataumed by muslim 59 drones or the frond lines where our defendering still hold the line in bakhmut and so many places. of course, we want our counter offenses to be sooner and to leave more territories, but we trust our commanders to start when they think it's the best way to start. and we all, of course, are holding our breath because the goal is still the same. the goal is to defend all our citizens and liberate our lands. >> there are so many rooting for ukraine around the world including the united states. i'll not expecting you to give

away military strategy at all. are there short-term signs of success? what short-term signs of success should we be watching for. >> every inch of ukrainian land liberating, every person liberated. we know what happens. people have been killed and tortured. every soul we save is a success. >> gain back land that russia has taken control of. >> absolutely. >> as you look to the end goal, is taking back crimea and the land bridge the end goal here for ukraine? >> well, restoring our independence and integrity within internationally recognized borders, which of course includes crimea, is the end goal. it always has been. it will be. we will not rest until all ukraine is whole again. >> we've heard so often that a negotiated settlement is the only way to bring an end to the

war, and that's true in virtually any conflict. what gains do ukrainian forces need to have to make on the battlefield in order for president zelenskyy to feel he has the leverage he needs to sit down at the table? >> first of all, you can never reach any negotiations that you cannot reach on the battlefield. any general will tell you that, and it's truth. second, of course -- >> meaning, it has to be battled out on the battlefield first, or tell me more about what you mean by that. >> unfortunately, we don't see any signs from russian federation that they are looking for withdrawing from our territory, stopping the aggression. for us, i mean, of course, we are ready to negotiate the terms of their reparations, how they will pay back to us what they have destroyed, and there is a big work on justice. they have to -- there should be accountability for what they've done. that we are ready to negotiate, but we are not ready to negotiate the fate of our people or the fate of our land.

that is nonnegotiable for us. >> so this is going to be on the battlefield for a long while, that's what people should expect? >> unless mr. putin and russians will decide what is the right thing to do and adhere to the binding decision of the international court and will strop the aggression. >> the wagner group, the russian private military contractor, which many people have heard about here, but they announced that they handed over control of bakhmut over to the russian military. now, when people hear that, maybe they don't know what it means, but that means that there's more of a divide between -- or that's what i hear from it, between the wagner group and prigozhin and the kremlin. what does it mean for ukrainian strategy as it relates to battling back the russians? >> we do not differentiate between the war criminals. all of them who are on our territory should be punished for what they've done. now, the more divide is between them, we will not mind it, of course, but all of them should be out from ukraine. whatever happens there, whatever

happens in russia is, of course, important for us to analyze, but it shouldn't divert us from what our goal is. liberate our territory, defend our people, and then they should -- actually, the russian people should think what they want to do with their country and who they want to support and all this internal infight and whatever happens there. >> there have been rumors of a coup, that prigozhin may want to launch a coup and take control from putin. none of this is confirmed, of course, but does it not provide an opportunity for the ukrainian military, for ukrainian diplomats to continue to make progress? >> well, look, ukraine, like the u.s., is a democracy. it's not up to us. it's up to the russian people what happens in russia. but we, of course, will work very hard to, a, expose them, to tell the truth, to share with the world what really happens in ukraine, all the atrocities and

all the wrongdoings of russia, including, you know, the food security risks and energy security risks, everything they're doing not only to us but to europe and globally, to their global south and other parts. but, you know, they have to think. to leave an empire like they're leaving now, to oppress their own people, is definitely not sustainable. a number of empires learned it the hard way before. it's amazing that, in the 21st century, the thinking there is so much 19th century. it is not sustainable. they should get out from ukraine, and they should take care of their own people who live in extreme poverty, as we have seen. >> one of the most devastating stories of this war -- there's been many, and i know you've lived through many of them -- has been the number of ukrainian children forcibly taken to russia. >> yes. >> which, as a mother, is heart wrenching. do you have any updates on your efforts to repatriate these

children? what do you need from the global community to help do that? >> it's a very complex question, and you're right, this is probably the most horrible atrocity out of all they have done. we were able to get some kids already back home. we had some brave teenagers who actually walked home and were able to get to safety. we have an official number, more than 16,000, but we also know there are more than that. unless we fully control our territory, we don't know how many of them from mariupol, how many are there or killed instead of being held in captivity. we all need to do everything possible so putin will be indicted on the idea. we have to make awareness about it. we have to demand from putin and russian officials. we have to clearly state it's a crime, for not only putin, but for everyone, including the

families holding them as hostages right now, including those working in the reeducational camps. this is what the nazis did during the world war ii, and it has to be stopped and punished. >> ambassador, thank you for your courage, your strength, and for being here with me this afternoon. coming up, exciting guests for next week's show, including a familiar name. i'll give a hint that doesn't narrow it down much. he was fired by donald trump. that's right after this quick break. and new adventures you hope the more you give the less they'll miss. but even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. although uncommon, up to 1 in 5 survivors of meningitis will have long term consequences. now as you're thinking about all the vaccines your teen might need make sure you ask your doctor if your teen is missing meningitis b vaccination. when you have chronic kidney disease. there are places you'd like to be.

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