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iowa. perhaps equally stunning, no deaths have been reported, although one woman is missing. the latest from the scene coming up. it was a missed chance for change in turkey where erdogan has been elected for an unprecedented third term. what that means for the people there and for authoritarian rule worldwide. but we start with two days left before the house is expected to vote on a deal to raise the debt limit. brand new details emerging about the political hill still left to climb, not just republicans, but democrats as well. ro khanna, a member of the house progressive caucus said a large majority of the house democratic caucus is still in flux, not sure how they're going to vote. the first step is getting the bill past the rules committee. at least three committee republicans are expected to oppose the bill. it will take democratic party

support to keep it alive, something speaker mccarthy was asked about just a couple hours ago. >> >> that was nbc's julie tsirkin. she joins me now from capitol hill. allie raffa is covering the white house. also with me, robert gibbs, and rick tyler, republican strategist and co-founder of foundry strategies. both robert and rick are msnbc political analysts. julie, first and foremost, walk me through the rules committee scenario. is there any real chance that this hard-fought bill dies even before it goes to a vote? >> reporter: probably not. speaker mccarthy, as you heard him say, don't worry about hypotheticals. he says, no, he's not worried

about the first step happening tomorrow, like you said, just 24 hours or so from now. the rules committee, always important. we rarely talk about it on tv. one of the key concessions that speaker mccarthy made to some of the hard-line conservatives in his conference, thomas massie, chip roy and ralph norman, members of the house freedom caucus onto the rules committee that basically decides what happens to any bills leadership wants to move to the floor. they'll meet tomorrow at 3:00. it's a 9-4 split, republicans and democrats. basically what happens is, if three republicans decide not to vote for it, democrats are going to have to shore up the votes. they rarely vote for the opposing party's rule to hit the floor. in this case with the bill negotiated by speaker mccarthy and president biden, the leader of their party, we do expect some democrats to show up an vote for this bill as well to get i then moving to the floor. if and when it passes the rules

committee, which we don't know how long that process is going to take, wednesday evening after markets close is when the full house is expected to take this bill up. we'll see what happens then. >> i've got to tell you, from what i'm hearing, robert, there are a lot of democrats not sold on this. debbie dingell certainly isn't it. congressman harder just said this is about avoiding a catastrophic default. is there anything you can see that is a good thing for the democrats, a win? >> well, i think in some ways, chris, if you think about what isn't in this bill and what could be in this bill and what could make it a lot worse, i know that's not generally a positive selling point, i would say economically avoiding the debt default is going to be huge. i think politically it's really important for democrats and for this white house not to have the chaos of that debt default ripple across the economy because, like it or not, whether

the republicans hold this hostage or not, some of the blowback is going to come on president biden and democrats if a default happened. that's just the reality of what it was going to be. i think in some ways not having that political chaos, not having, most importantly, that economic chaos, is a big deal for democrats. >> so rick, this whole thing is a huge test for kevin mccarthy as well, there's no doubt about that. i'm wondering, some of these republicans who don't like this, who feel like they might want to hold it up, could they? maybe more to the point, what's in it for them if they try to? >> well, look, i don't think there's going to be a win for the charity caucus here. basically mccarthy will have passed two debt ceiling increases in a very short amount of time, and in the end he will have delivered 98% of his caucus, leaving the president and hakeem jeffries to deliver

2% of the democratic caucus. i suspect the majority of democrats will vote for the debt ceiling which is what robert pointed out, that the consequences are too catastrophic and the president, who is fully supporting this bill, does not want economic chaos under his watch. i think this bill is a done deal. i think it's passed, and i think mccarthy has proved himself during this process. he didn't get everything he wanted. this is what you get with an eight-seat majority. i think it's quite an accomplishment. >> allie raffa, what about the white house? how are they planning to try to get this bill over the finish line? >> yeah, chris. the efforts to sell this deal to congressional democrats started even before this deal was finalized on this phone call between president biden and speaker mccarthy yesterday. we saw white house negotiators holding calls with congressional democrats trying to sell them on

this emerging deal. they're making the deal that, look, no side got everything they wanted out of these negotiations, but there were still things they were able to protect, things like the president's student debt relief plan, some of the presidential priorities in this plan, specifically any work requirement changes to medicaid, for example. they're trying to shore up as much support from the middle of their party to be able to potentially lose the support of progressives like we talked about, congresswoman pramila jayapal says they should be concerned that they don't have enough progressive votes to get this passed. the president says he's confident it will pass the house and senate and get to his desk for signature. we know this outreach, the virtual calls are continuing today and tomorrow with white house negotiators and congressional democrats trying to sell them on this deal, arguing it is more moderate than they thought it could have been

weeks ago when republicans released their budget plans. at this point these calls are continuing, continuing to work the phones today and tomorrow. how much of that support they're able to shore up is the big question. it is likely that all of -- most of these democrats do fall behind the president, end up supporting this deal. we know that, as julie asked speaker mccarthy there, it could very well to take democrats to bring this across the finish line. >> mccarthy and a lot of republicans, robert, are saying they made absolutely zero concessions. i mentioned this earlier, mccarthy on the call said this is the anti-woke bill, anti-woke agenda. if they didn't make any concessions, then how did they get here, right? here is what the omb director said this morning on the "today" show when she was asked about that specifically. take a listen. >> what would you say is the biggest concession you got from

republicans? >> look, i'll say this. again, the goal was avoid default. we reached a budget deal we think was fair. it shaved off where republicans started. remember they wanted to cut $130 billion from the budget for non-defense discretionary. we ended up with something that's closer to a budget freeze. in divided government, i've done a little of these, that's about on par with previous budget agreements. >> for democrats, robert, who understand that economic catastrophe is a bad idea but also think there are bad ideas in this compromise, we were talking to debbie dingell. she was saying i want to hear sunday sers to my questions this afternoon on the call. the person doing that call is john po des sta. you know him. why him? what's his best argument do you think? >> look, i think john is going

to be great on these calls. i think that one-to-one touch from the white house is going to be incredibly important. i think what john is going to do -- john has worn many hats over his lifetime, once a white house chief of staff. i think he's going to talk about not only the guts and what's in this legislation, what's not in this bill, what could have been worse and then probably talk through the bigger picture with people, talk about the politics in this, talk about the economics of this. i don't think there's going to be any one selling point that's going to be the silver bullet here. i think it's going to have to be getting people comfortable with the fact that, look, this is the result of divided government. this is what happens when the house is republicans and the white house is controlled by democrats. this is what you get. i think probably it's unrealistic to think this was never going to be a negotiated settlement, and that's why we're here. that's where we are now.

quite frankly, you just have to make the best of it. >> rick, we're almost out of time here, but is the actual realistic way to sell this that in a divided government where a lot of people wondered if this could get done, it looks like it might get done? >> i think that's right. if you want to have all the priorities that the freedom caucus wants, you'll have to have more freedom caucus members. there just aren't enough of them. i find it very hypocritical of democrats who use extreme rhetoric of catastrophic default and terrible things are going to happen and could possibly vote against this bill. >> thanks to all of you. happy memorial day. we appreciate you being with us. when we're back in 60 seconds, the latest on the apartment collapse in davenport, iowa and the concerns right now for the building's stability terror on the beach after an alleged drunk driver zoomed

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we're following the recovery effort under way right now in davenport, iowa, where teams have stopped looking for survivors from an apartment building collapse yesterday. the disaster, reminiscent of the 2021 condo collapse in surfside, florida, currently under investigation after multiple residents say they have voiced concerns about this building for years. nbc's shaquille brewster is on the scene in davenport, iowa. what is the latest on this mission? are there folks working there right now? what about the investigation into how this happened? >> reporter: yes. there are folks still working at the site behind me, at the building behind me. the nature of the work they're doing has shifted.

this morning you saw cadaver dogs, search and rescue teams carefully going through the rubble behind me. now you see dull bowsers coming in. the mayor saying this is no longer a rescue mission and instead has turned into a recovery mission. we're learning from family members of people living inside that building who said they haven't heard from their loved ones, that they're concerned. there is the potential that there are some people who are missing, who have not been recovered at this point. one thing we're hearing about are the concerns and questions people had about this building, the concerns not only through word of mouth, but also were documented as recently last week with bricks falling from this building, people saying the condition simply wasn't up to par. that's something i asked the

mayor about, the concern among members of the community that this building wasn't safe and wasn't in best conditions. listen to what he told me. >> how concerned are you about what you've been hearing about the history of the building? >> we know some of the complaints. our folks go and look into those complaints, do inspections. but the owner of that facility hired an outside engineering firm to evaluate the structure and signed off on the structure. our folks will continue, no matter this building or any, any type of complaint is investigated, checked out and inspected. we did that a lot with this one. their engineer folks signed off. >> reporter: officials have signaled that will be part of any investigation that is to come. that is certainly well under way, but the priority, and that's what they're signaling, the priority is making sure there's no one left behind.

that's what you've been seeing. that's been much of the focus. i want to underscore what we know at this point. at least eight people were trapped and rescued since last night. officials say they have no one who is unaccounted for. again, we've heard from family members of loved ones who lived inside that building who say that's not the case at this hour. >> shaquille brewster, thank you. in florida, a memorial day weekend took a terrifying turn. an alleged drunk driver sped down the beach narrowly missing people including children before crashing into the ocean. guad venegas is following the story for us. what can you tell us? >> reporter: the driver was charged with reckless driving and a dui. the officers that arrived after the incident happened were able to record all the conversations they had with the driver on the body cams. the body cam video shows the moment they arrived, they asked

for the driver. there was a crowd around the vehicle. the driver identified herself. she said she wasn't aware that she almost ran the vehicle into some people including a child. the driver told the officer she was told by the people who were there that she had almost ran over a child. the video also shows a moment when one of the witnesses tells an officer that the driver almost ran over that child. the sheriff's department also shared information on the alcohol blood concentration that the driver had which was .15. that's almost double the legal state limit here in florida. so the driver was arrested. now, the witnesses also spoke to our local affiliate. this is what they had to say about the incident. >> just yelling at them through the window, you almost hit my child, firstly, many other kids, dogs. she was like, well, i didn't. >> i went to bed last night just laying there thinking she could have just as easily ran over a

kid. the only reason she stopped was because she got stuck. >> reporter: authorities also say that vehicle could have been going as fast as 50 miles per hour when id entered the beach. the driver also told police she decided to drive straight because she couldn't find a way to make a u-turn before the car ended up the water. court documents indicate that the driver has been released after posting a $1500 bail. >> guad venegas, thank you. some stunning and frightening stories out of chicago about very young children and guns. a 2-year-old girl -- yes, 2 years old -- apparently shot herself in the hand on sunday and had to be hospitalized. authorities say she found the weapon at home and accidentally discharged it. it was just one of two such shootings in chicago just hours apart. a 2-year-old boy was playing in a bedroom when a gun was

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on this memorial day, ukraine's president is sending america a message about the importance of fighting for freedom. >> on behalf of all ukrainians, i would like to honor the courage and self-sacrifice of all the americans who stood in defense and keep defending the freedom. your freedom stood thanks to those who fought for it. our freedom will stand thanks to those who are fighting for it. the freedom is underpinned by the bravery of the best of your kind and the readiness of young men and women who serve their nation in the military to become the best of their kind and make their bravery the basis for the future of their nation. . >> that fight in ukraine is unrelenting. at the capital today that city pounded by russian drones. air sirens waled, residents

rushed to bombshell terse. kyiv was also struck by the largest drone attack over the weekend since the start of the are wah. joining us is nbc's molly hunter from kyiv. what is the latest and how are residents doing there? >> reporter: chris, this is really different and feels really different, even last week when we spoke about the recent attacks. we have seen three massive attacks in 48 hours. the numb bergs are huge. as you mentioned on sunday, the biggest russian drone attack that we've seen thus far in this war, nearly 60, monday night 67 attacks, 37 cruise missiles, 37 drones. monday, something that hasn't happened since i've been here, 11 more missiles. and the mayor of kyiv says this is what's interesting, watching residents walking around after work, sitting at coffee shops. 41,000 people took to the shelter to shelter this afternoon. we haven't seen that in months.

>> you spoke with one of president zelenskyy's senior advisers over the weekend. i'm wondering what that conversation was like particularly as it is in reference to a new phase of the war. we keep hearing it's close, it's coming. what did he say and what might that look like? >> reporter: that's exactly right. we keep saying we must be on the brink. we've put this question to ukrainian officials. i spoke with the senior advisor to president zelenskyy who basically said it's already started. there's not going to be one day where they say, okay, now is the counteroffensive. he says they're in a preparation phase, readying the battlefield. hitting russian rear positions behind enemy lines, getting weapons to the troops on the front line, getting the best trained troops on the front line. we're not seeing them in bakhmut. we're not seeing ukraines

fighting on the out skirt. they're getting ready. what's so interesting, history may look back and put a start date on this counteroffensive. he made it very clear that this was already happening. >> molly hunter, thank you so much. we appreciate it. meantime, turkey eeg president is heading into a third decade in power after winning re-election in a close and bitterly contented race. recep tayyip erdogan beat back the greatest political challenge on sunday and will serve an unprecedented third term. president biden tweeted out congratulations to erdogan, but turkey's economy is already taking a hit. the lira sank to a record low where inflation is almost 44% annually. nbc's matt bradley is in ankara, turkey. what's been the reaction there? >> reporter: we heard fireworks going off, people driving around

the city honking their horns. i have to tell you during the daytime before the results were announced, most of the people we spoke to in this city were against erdogan, in favor of kill rog lieu, the opposition leader who didn't wen last night. these urban centers are more progressive, more leaning towards the left, whereas it's in the countryside in places like anatolia and on the border with syria you see a lot more support for erdogan, he style of at autocracy. >> i was surprised when i went on our website, cnbc.com, our sister network, one of the headlines was about what's been happening in turkey, how challenging the economy already was which would make somebody be surprised that he got

re-elected, frankly, with 44% inflation. tell us a little bit about what the feeling is in terms of how this might impact the economy. >> reporter: chris, 44% is pretty generous. economists say it could be as high as 100%. that 44%, the 50%, those are the official numbers. there's a lot of suspicion that the actual inflation rate is much, much higher. one of the reasons that opponents blame erdogan specifically for what's going on, the reason why this is put on erdogan is because this predates the wave of inflation. erdogan has decided, unlike every other high school economics textbook that says if you're trying to battle inflation, you raise interest rates. instead erdogan has lowered interest rates and taken control of the central bank. that's sent inflation quite high here for quite a long period of time, well before the pandemic started and we started to see inflation rising.

for of points of erdogan, this was the big tsh district issue. none of these lofty issues about democrats or foreign policy, it was about money, dollars and cents. here is what some folks told me. >> the prices are always getting higher and higher. we're actually having a hard time just trying to live. >> my friends think that they are not going to do well in turkey and they're looking to go abroad. >> reporter: chris, i think you know way back in the early 1990s we heard from james carville. he said "it's the economy, stupid." that's what you're hearing from a lot of folks here, especially the opponents of erdogan. we're wondering why the economy isn't, as you just said, isn't being taken more seriously by most of the poor people who really are the runs voting erdogan back into power. they're wondering why erdogan is

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homosexuality and 20 years in jail for promoting homosexuality. one lgbtq activist worries there's no hope. >> where do you want us to go? you are arresting us for literally doing nothing, for simply existing. where are we supposed to go? how did we become refugees in our own countries? >> uganda receives billions in foreign aid each year and could now face international sanctions. in a new statement released minutes ago from president biden, it says, this shameful act is the latest development in an alarming trend of human rights abuses and corruption in uganda. it's a threat to everyone residing in uganda including u.s. government personnel. still to come, what we're seeing on the road and in the

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are we talking about in terms of negative financial ripple effects? >> well, the reason i think we have a deal here, chris, is because everybody recognizes there are too many operational pieces of shrapnel that could go through the financial system if you allow the u.s. to not pay its bills on time. i think that's why we have a deal. they still have to get it passed fluid congress, of course. the alternatives, they're grim to think about, the u.s. not making bond payments on time. it would cause catastrophe potentially in bond markets. that's why there is a deal. i think the question now is how much will this deal actually help the fed in restraining the growth of the economy. that will be a big question mark going forward. >> that is the big question, right? the federal reserve, is there a real chance there won't be a rate hike at their june meeting? what's the anticipation right

now? >> i think it's a close call, chris. you've heard some people saying there's not enough progress on inflation. at the beginning of the year, policymakers at the fed thought by now they would be getting more trashing shun on inflation and you would see it with the economy slowing down, with job creation slowing. that hasn't happened. this is a situation where good economic news is actually bad news if you don't want to see the fed raise interest rates anymore, because its tells the fed maybe you haven't done enough. but, there are other people saying, wait a minute, you need to be patient, this takes time. we live in an instant gratification economy where you can order everything on your phone right away and interest rate policy and monetary poll see doesn't work that way. there will be people i expect arguing we should take a break. we've raised interest rates a lot, five percentage points in the past year. that's the fastest pace in four

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with president biden heading to delaware in less than an hour, he leaves behind a white house still trying to craft a new message for democrats skeptical of the deal. according to politico, one of those messages is simply this "it could have been a lot worse." i want to bring in california congresswoman barbara lee who is also running for senate. always good to see you, congresswoman. has the white house reached out to you about how you'll vote, and have you made a decision about whether you'll support this bill? >> thank you very much, chris, for having me. let me first say that the republicans manufactured this crisis. we can't forget how we got here.

in fact, they were holding the american people and the most vulnerable hostage. their bill that they moved forward with and passed, the maga extremist republicans, is their roadmap in terms of how they want to cut spending that would help -- would hurt the most vulnerable. having said that, i'm looking at this bill, and i have talked with many people in the white house and they're conducting a great series of briefings and outreach drilling down on the bill. we have the text. i'm reviewing the next right now, but also meeting with our ranking members on the appropriate committees. i'm on the appropriations committee and the budget committee. i'm trying to determine who are the winners and who are the losers on this deal. in fact, when i look at it, i see a lot of movement in terms of how the president negotiated this because he was really -- he was held hostage in a lot of ways. but also i see a lot of problems

that we're going to talk about later with the various officials from the white house. >> i'm hearing from other people who are saying exactly what you're saying, kog congresswoman. i spoke to your colleague debbie dingle a short time ago. let me play a little bit of what she told me. >> i know that compromise is not a dirty word, but i need to know what is going to be the precedent being set here by voting for this at the same time. we are being held hostage. that is a very real word for where we are right now. there are things i would never vote for under new yorkal circumstances. >> wouldn't vote for under normal circumstances. what are the things you think need to be answered by the white house? what are the questions that will allow someone like debie dingell and you to vote for? >> i have to say i have toic ma my own decisions by looking at what was accomplished and who wins and who loses. >> so you're a yes?

>> the devil is in the details. when you look at a lot of these rescissions on domestic spending, there are cuts to child care, for example. when you look at defense, and i'm one of those who believe an $886 billion defense budget or requirement that's going into this bill, juxtaposed against the defense has never passed an audit. they have had five audits, i worked with republicans to include in a bill, they were not audited, the only agency. in fact, they failed five audits. we're going to put $886 billion there. when we look at defense, we know there's over 150 in waste, fraud and abuse. this is one aspect that a lot of members are comparing that to we rescissions are in domestic spending, and so we have a lot to look at. we have to look at who wins and who loses. it looks like that some of these work requirements for the most vulnerable, up to 54 years,

there are a lot of people who can't work for a variety of reasons, but who don't deserve to be held hostage, again, to work requirements. so there are many many provisions of this negotiation and this bill that i'm looking at, finding out, we fought for a clean debt ceiling, and we fought to make sure that they weren't joined together because, again, as a member of the appropriations and budget committees, we do our work. if they were going to do that, we wanted parallel bills. it looks like the negotiations would put this in one bill, which sets a precedent for future debt ceiling negotiations, which i'm not happy about because we should pay our bills. that's who we are as a country. we incur debt and should pay our bills. >> u.s. senate candidate barbara lee, always good to see you. thank you so much for coming on the program. appreciate it. >> thank you. up next on "chris jansing reports," life after loss, michelle witmer was a twin center, a daughter, and she made

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american patriotism and duty. >> we have the story of a family that has a lot of people thinking back to "saving private ryan." >> three sisters, charity and michelle and older sister rachel going to war in iraq at the wisconsin national guard. >> i have a twin sister, it's going to be hard. >> reporter: less than a year into her deployment, 20-year-old michelle was killed when her humvee was ambushed. sisters flew home, and michelle's casket followed. her 2004 death making international headlines raising fresh questions about what to do when siblings go to war. >> she had seen the worst of iraq, and yet she kept her faith in god and in humanity. >> reporter: today michelle's parents, john and laurie witmer still live in wisconsin. >> life before we lost michelle or after. it was such a change. everything just changed and it

never goes back. >> reporter: these days they find joy in their ten grandchildren. john is writing a second book after sharing michelle's story in hopes of helping other families deal with grief. >> why was it important to be so black and white about the darkest moments of your family's life. >> other people are going through the same thing. they may know they're not alone. >> reporter: it's been 20 years since the start of the iraq war, and 19 since michelle's passing. her memory and name live on like in the street sign near her childhood home and in her niece's name. >> i just feel it was the name i was meant to be given. i'm so happy to be named after her. >> i wonder what she would have been like and if she would have had kids of her own. >> reporter: michelle's twin charity who retired from the military after serving eight years, now lives in texas and has three girls of her own, including oldest madison michelle. all preparing this memorial day weekend to honor michelle's

memory. >> there's just a solemnity when you lose somebody you loved so much. and they have this day to honor all of the soldiers who have lost their lives, you just look at it in such a new way. >> i try to live as the best person i can be and just remember that she's probably looking down on me. i'm trying to make her proud. >> reporter: the witmer family says while time has sanded the sharp edges of grief, there's not a day that goes by that they don't think of michelle. >> she'll be gone 20 years next april, and that's as old as she was. you never want to believe your children will be forgotten and she's not forgotten. >> she's not forgotten. >> reporter: an impossibly high price for any family to have to pay. this weekend, for a grateful nation, a time to remember.

nbc news. to everyone who has lost someone to service in our country, know you are not forgotten. in fact, today at arlington national cemetery, a beautiful day in washington, d.c. the president was there laying a wreath at the tomb of the unknowns. you see the picture there from arlington. that's going to do it for this special edition of "chris jansing reports." make sure to join us every weekday at our normal time, 1:00 eastern to 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. but don't go anywhere, katy tur reports starts right now. good to be with you, i'm katy tur. they have a deal, but do they have the votes? we're going to get into exactly what both speaker kevin mccarthy and president biden agreed to over the weekend in that last-minute deal that gives congress just enough time to avert a debt default.