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tv   Katy Tur Reports  MSNBC  May 29, 2023 11:00am-12:00pm PDT

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nbc news. to everyone who has lost someone to service in our country, know you are not forgotten. in fact, today at arlington national cemetery, a beautiful day in washington, d.c. the president was there laying a wreath at the tomb of the unknowns. you see the picture there from arlington. that's going to do it for this special edition of "chris jansing reports." make sure to join us every weekday at our normal time, 1:00 eastern to 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. but don't go anywhere, katy tur reports starts right now. good to be with you, i'm katy tur. they have a deal, but do they have the votes? we're going to get into exactly what both speaker kevin mccarthy and president biden agreed to over the weekend in that last-minute deal that gives congress just enough time to avert a debt default.
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that is so long as congress acts. right now, leadership in both parties are working to parade the vast middle to get on board because the fringes are furious. if you thought the howling was loud last week, just wait for what we're hearing today. it's insanity, said republican ralph norman of south carolina. this deal is a turd sandwich is said republican chip roy. barfing emoji tweeted dan bishop. the left was a little less colorful but unhappy. parts of the deal are quote, really unfortunate, said pramila jayapal of washington. a large majority of the house democratic caucus is in flux on where they're going to be on this said ro khanna of california, and it's a terrible precedent said one liberal to our friends at punch bowl. the house needs 218 votes to pass this deal. the senate needs 60 and with what we're hearing right now from the conservatives and
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progressives, both votes will need to be largely bipartisan to pass. let us understand who's saying what right now, and also what exactly this deal will mean for everyone outside of washington. joining is chief white house correspondent peter baker, punch bowl reporter, andrew desiderio. and allie raffa. peter, you have been through this before. you were reporting on the 2011 deal that president obama and speaker john boehner made to avert a debt default then. what happened this time around, and what does it mean for congress's ability to come together because, again, the howling from the extremes of both parties is pretty loud right now. >> howling is loud, but the question is whether volume translates to votes. obviously the people on the left and right have things about this
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package they are unhappy about, and each of them can point to things that they consider to be red lines that have been crossed or concessions that were made that were just untenable. to question whether the vast bulk, to use your term earlier is going to hold by this, and i think in the end because the debt ceiling is a big, rooming deadline up here that they, you know, president biden at the white house and speaker mccarthy on the hill feel comfort they'll get enough votes between them to pass it. they question whether there's any lingering feeling of animosity as a result or whether this is the start of something where the two of them can work together on other issues going forward in a bipartisan way, without the kind of deadline that we see facing the country because of the possibility of default. >> so tell me what is in this deal? >> katy, you had a handy graphic up. let's put that up and talk about what's in the deal. the agreement would extend the debt limit for two years, essentially suspend it until january 1st of 2025, and months
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of extraordinary measures that the treasury department can use, takes it off the table through the next election. there's spending caps after two years, and there are targets that congress is not bound to, but that house republicans want to, you know, pursue. there's permitting reform, overhauls the process of infrastructure removed. it claws back unspent covid relief funds, new tougher work requirements for federal aid programs like s.n.a.p. and tanf. none to medicaid, no changes to that. rescission of irs funding and full funding of veterans care. what's next here on capitol hill. tomorrow afternoon, the rules committee is slated to meet. it will have to approve this in order to get to the floor. there's a bit of drama going on there. two republicans you mentioned, those hard-line conservatives are on the committee, actively trashing the bill if three or more republicans vote against it in the rules committee. democrats will have to make up the difference, and that's where you see the sales job going on
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on the democratic side as well. the white house is arguing after accounting for funding, there's barely at all, which is the portion of the budget republicans have targeted the most. one new memo from the democratic messaging arm i have obtained says the bill would be, quote, rejecting republicans' extreme demands to cut critical lifelines for every day americans, in other words, trying to sell skeptical republicans that are unhappy with the work requirements and others that it's a good deal. democrats face conflicting incentives, they were not in the room for negotiations. some of them feel annoyed by that, and some don't want to look like a cheap date by voting for this bill when they weren't dialled in from the beginning to the negotiations. there are those process concerns, and at the end of the day, they're heavily invested in president biden's success, they're heavily invested in the strength of the economy, and that might be the key ingredient, katy for democrats to supply this vote to get over the line. >> is that the key ingredient
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for the rules committee? >> we have chip roy saying i think this is a turd sandwich. he's maybe not going to vote for this to get out of the committee. according to your reporting, and punch bowl read that democrats on the committee don't want to help the republicans on this, so how does this get out of the committee and to the floor. >> right, so, you know, democrats are obviously very invested in president biden's success, and their own electoral success, and the idea that a dead default would happen on president biden's watch, regardless of whether they can blame the republicans for it or not would be a bad thing to have on his record and their record. a lot of them will decide to give republicans the votes to get there at least out of the rules committee, knowing chip roy, ralph norman and one more republican might vote against it. that's the overall main consensus among sort of the middle sections of both parties here is that this is the best outcome that either side really could have gotten in a divided
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government, and the case the white house was making to democratic senators last night i was told with the call with the negotiators was basically, hey, look at all of these dangerous things republicans are going to have to do that we stopped from getting in the bill in the end. that's what they're trying to do at this point to persuade progressives in particular to vote on this. the reality is that hard line progressives and conservatives were never going to vote for this product anyway, so the key really is just making sure that majorities in both parties, especially in the senate where 60 votes is required to get anything done end up supporting this bill. >> how does the president get involved in this? i know he's leaving delaware pretty soon. has he been on the phone with democratic senators, democrats in the house trying to convince them to get on board with this. >> yeah, katy, that's something i've asked white house officials and haven't received a response to yet. it seems like the president is entrusting these negotiations to the negotiators who have been handling this with speaker
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mccarthy and the republican negotiators through the this whole process, really, the race to sell this deal to democrats started even before this deal was agreed to between the president and speaker mccarthy yesterday. we saw the white house officials holding these briefings with house and senate democrats. those efforts continuing in group meetings, one on one phone calls they're having with democratic members, and to andrew's point, they're trying to break this deal down enough to explain what was protected in this deal, what they were able to save and salvage, it wasn't as bad as some progressives thought it would be when we saw house republicans release their budget deal a few weeks ago. they're pointing to the fact that they were able to get two years of spending cuts instead of what republicans wanted to be ten. they're pointing to the fact that medicaid wasn't touched as far as these added work requirements that student debt relief wasn't touched. there's expanded eligibility for work requirements for disabled
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americans and veterans. right now, the white house knows that it has a safer and better chance of shoring up support among the moderates in the democrat party than specifically targeting these progressive who have been critical of pieces of these deals, of this deal, but those efforts, nonetheless are still going out to those progressives who are included in these calls, katy. >> i'm paraphrasing this. one liberal senator was speaking to punch bowl. forgive me, i'm going to direct this to peter, but basically saying it's really a hard pill to swallow by making work requirements on pour people to get food stamps and the like, while also making it easier for rich people to cheat on their taxes by cutting out that irs spending. so does the president, peter, see this as a win? i know a compromise is something that nobody likes, and that's when you know it's a good compromise, but is the president in the position that he was in a few months ago saying he wasn't
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going to negotiate at all. does he see this as a win when it's framed in that way that that liberal senator told punch bowl? >> framed it as recently as friday night, even as the deal was coming together. when we asked the president at the white house, aren't you doing exactly what you said you weren't going to do. he said, no, that's not right. that's a ridiculous assertion. he would argue there are going to be additional people subjected to work requirements. they carved out exceptions that would offset that for people who are homeless, veterans, who would no longer have work requirements. they would tell you that they have, in fact, preserved the vast bulk of the irs additional funding that they had targeted last year, and they would still be able to use that to go after wealthy tax chiefs that they had hoped to. broadly speaking, the whole negotiation was on republican terms, though, right. the republicans were coming to the table saying we want this, this and this. democrats county didn't come to the table asking for anything
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except to protect what president biden had done with the democrats over the last two years when they were in charge. what the white house would tell you, they didn't get priorities into the package, it did not roll back the clean energy initiatives of the inflation reduction act. it did not block the student loan forgiveness, which the republicans tried to do. it did not do a lot of things that the republicans wanted to do to unravel and affect the biden legacy. they protected the biden legacy, they would argue. while that may be unsatisfying, that is in their view, a win, given the divided government. >> peter baker, thank you very much. andrew desiderio, sa appreciate it. let's ask one republican why it's not a turd sandwich, maybe something that tastes a little bit better. stick with us. tastes a little bit better ick with us. (vo) with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network. so you can do more than connect your business, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is.
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stephanie reese. chip is call thg a turd sandwich. why do you think this tastes good? >> this is a $2.1 trillion savings, the largest spending cut in history, and people have underestimated kevin mccarthy from the very beginning. and the speaker's race, they didn't think he could get there with limit grow act. didn't think he could get there with this savings package, and he's delivered. i think it's time for republicans who know what fiscal conservatism looks like is to stand up and vote yes on this package. >> do you think it's going to allow it to get out of the rules committee? what's your sense on that? >> absolutely. there's a lot of support, i think, across the board, now there are going to be detractors, but look, they didn't get everything they wanted. the limit, save grow act was
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4 1/2 trillion. this is 2.1 trillion. it was just scored earlier today. it is still a win. it's still a savings, and i think we need to remember that, you know, we don't get everything we want. we're in divided government right now. we have to recognize that there are going to be concessions, but i still think looking at the package in total, it's a win for republicans. we had some structural reforms. we got nepa permitting back in the bill. we are cutting the irs, the first tranche of irs agents that the administration wanted to which was a huge defeat for them. and so there are a lot of wins this here, and it's really, i think, surprising to me that any colleagues would consider this capitulating. >> capitulating is a nice way of putting what they're describing this as el. let me ask you about oklahoma specifically, 65 million in staff benefits were issued each month in oklahoma in 2020. are you at all concerned that these new work requirements might make it a little bit harder for people who are hungry, working people who are
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hungry to get food in oklahoma? >> this program will actually impact able working bodied adults between 18 and 54. that increases it from 49 to 54 now, and we have low employment, there's plenty of opportunity for job access right now. no, i'm not worried about those benefits being cut. what i am worried about is states taking advantage of the program that are asking for additional federal funding when they're not actually pushing work requirements or allowing those individuals to find job training. they're just allowing them to continue to take on benefit, and so for me, this is actually a move in the right direction. >> i think when you say able-bodied people should be working, if they can work, everyone's going to agree with you on that. the research around work requirements, though, has shown they don't entirely work the way that they're supposed to work. that a lot of these people who need this assistance don't have
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the schedules that allow to easily write it off in paperwork to show, hey, i'm working this many hours a week, sometimes the schedules are in flux if they're working hourly jobs. how do you make sure that the people who are working and maybe don't have the paperwork every single month as consistently as they need it to be are still able to get food, people who are trying are still able to access these benefits? >> look, the requirement is 20 hours a week, but it's not just work. it can be volunteering, it can be job training. so it's a compilation of all of these things. if you look at the most recently polling, 80% of americans support reasons why speaker mccarthy and the negotiating team strengthen the requirements to meet the benefits. >> the majority do support worker requirements. democrats will argue they don't understand who falls between the cracks, but we'll let them make
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that argument. let me ask you about the rules committee one more time. you said you're sure it's going to pass through it. are you saying that democrats are going to get on board in the rules committee. chip roy is calling this a turd sandwich and it's hard to see him voting to allow this through. >> you have two options here, you default and throw the country into fiscal chaos or support $2.1 trillion in spending cuts. i think the choice is easy for many of my colleagues, both republican and democrat. look, democrats are disappointed, they wanted a clean debt ceiling. they even said multiple times we will not negotiate. at the end of the day, they negotiated and they came to the table, and they put forward a package that republicans were looking for, which is spending cuts. if you think back to the beginning of this negotiation, kevin mccarthy said two things that he would not be in favor of, a clean debt ceiling and tax increases, and this bill delivers on exactly those two
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the face of an apartment building fell off over the weekend. you can see it right here. first responders pulled out an eighth survivor from that apartment building in davenport and now officials are saying that they're switching from a rescue effort to a recovery effort. nbc news correspondent maggie vespa is in davenport for us this afternoon. maggie, why are they going to recovery? do they believe they have gotten everybody out? >> so katy, they hope so, essentially. they had cadaver dogs and search and rescue dogs, two different things we have learned overnight, and the sliver of good news we have gotten is the cadaver dogs who were obviously searching for bodies, they had zero hits overnight, and officials don't know of anyone confirmed who's still basically unaccounted for in this building. a sliver of good news, obviously this is ongoing. we're going to push in here to get a better look at the damage. look at the chunk that just fell off here. you can see that rack of clothes at the top.
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like this was a six-story building, a historic building, very old, but filled with people. we're told it was a lot of low income residents, people on the brink of homelessness, grappling with it, who were in the building and had been complaining, local officials confirm of various, of the building being in disrepair. cracks in the ceiling, cracks in the wall. local officials saying permits had been taken out with the issues, there were falling bricks in recent history, and that work was ongoing when this part of the collapse happened. so all of that in mind, basically crews are very concerned about going into what is clearly an unstable structure. all the less stable now, given what's happened. the mayor telling us this is a very slow, very careful now search and recovery effort. take a listen to what he said. >> because of the response and because of the concern for life
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by our first responders to get in the building knowing that that building was unsafe to help folks, i can't stress how because of that, they save lives. they saved lives. >> reporter: so, again we just want to be very clear, no specific cause just yet. we frankly don't know why part of this building in downtown davenport fell off yesterday evening. people here say they think they know why. they think their complaints about the various issues in the building that seemed like serious structural issues, basically their worst fears from those came to fruition. we just learned from the city this building is slated to be demolished starting as soon as tomorrow morning, so, again, they believe they've gotten everyone out, although kind of an odd sort of piece of the puzzle here. officials told us they can't tell us definitively how many people are unaccounted for if that's the case at all. i was talking to one woman who
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walked by. she's homeless in davenport. one of her friends were staying in the building, do you know if your friend made it out okay? no, because my friend doesn't have a cell phone. she suspects that may be an issue here, the people living in the building, a lot of them on the poverty line or kind of on the brink of housing insecurity, they just don't have the rows to -- resources to get out and contact everyone they would want to immediately. a lot of confusion here on the ground. a lot of fear on the ground, but again, this effort taking place kind of moving forward, i should say, slowly but surely. >> so hard. you imagine if they're going to demolish the building, that they don't have somebody else that might be trapped underneath there. interesting about the dogs. those that were able to get out. do you know where they are now? has the city moved them to different house something. >> reporter: they have moved them to different housing. there's basically a church just across the street to my right that's sort of the reunification
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center. we see these with natural disaster. the red cross has set up a shelter, obviously that's temporary. the church is opening its doors to people, that's temporary. but a lot of people tend to go with friend and family if they can, so we can't right now point to definitively one specific place of rehousing, but, again, yeah, the city kind of moving forward with this, saying they feel confident they can demolish this tomorrow but working quickly to identify they can that needs to get out of this structure. >> maggie vespa, thank you very much. and it is busy out there across the country. with the weather cooperating, millions of people are making the most of this memorial day weekend. a lot more than last year. 2.7 million more to be impact. so how is it all going? joining us now is nbc's george solis at the philadelphia international airport, and nbc's angie lassman, first off to you, george, how does the airport look? >> reporter: yeah, i think the most telling thing would be what you're seeing behind me or not seeing behind. you see a few people, you don't
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see angry travelers, bags everywhere, and that's because the airlines seemingly got their act together, right, they knew what they were up against, compared to this time last year, when you saw the rampant delays and cancellations. much smoother travel for a lot of travelers right now. people are very excited about that. they're excited they can get from point a to point b with all of that hassle in between. i have been obsessed with looking at the misery map today. a lot of green. not many delays. not to say there aren't some. the first half of the memorial day weekend off without a hitch, the afternoon rush hour, whether or not we'll see delays and cancellations a. lot of people chose to hit the road by car, 50 miles or so. gas relatively cheaper, right, about a dollar less than it was this time last year. a lot of families got in their cars, had a good time, the weather, as you mentioned, was cooperative. the airlines expecting some 42,000 flights, looking at the board at phl, one delay, one
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cancellation, if that. things looking pretty good. talked to travelers all weekend. many of them excited, many of them said this is like the first real memorial day weekend that they have felt they could go out without any real reservations or concerns or things about the pandemic. take a listen to a few conversations with travelers. >> smooth, very smooth. it's been great, so far so good. >> we were hesitant about traveling memorial day. we gave it a shot, just to see. we didn't travel last years ago but you always hear the stories. >> the traffic was smooth, surprising for memorial day weekend. it wasn't busy on the roads. >> reporter: and so, again, we're now sort of in that rush hour, middle of the day, we're starting to see a lot more people come to the airport, granted it hasn't been as busy here as some of the major airports we're used to seeing. atl, laguardia. airports in l.a. we're waiting and seeing what things will look like, so far
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the forecast has been so good. and i think a lot of people are acknowledging that, especially since this has been such a coveted memorial day weekend, katy. >> george, thank you very much. all right, let's get the weather, and angie how does it look, the sun and the skies and the ability to take off? >> it's nice to be a meteorologist on a holiday weekend and give mostly good news. we have a couple of trouble spots. we're watching for rain falling in parts of the carolinas and texas. the northeast has been picture perfect all week long. we continue that through today, 76 degrees in new york. i don't think anyone is complaining about that, even across the great lakes, perfect weather to get out on the lake. a lot of people do that over memorial day weekend. we have spotty showers we're tracking in parts of the northern plains, strong storms in that area as well. look at these travel impacts. not a whole lot for us to worry about. george mentioned parts of the mid atlantic that could be a little bit iffy through the day today with the heavy rain we're dealing with with the coastal
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low, hanging around in the area. we also have heavy rain working through parts of texas, if you're headed to dallas, houston, otherwise it's green across the map. there's the low pressure system. a lot of people are wondering, the mid atlantic, specifically the carolinas, they have been dealing with so much rain over the past couple of days. when will this low move out. it's going to happen. not until tomorrow. we'll have lingering showers through the day, we'll pick up additional rainfall. by the time we get to tuesday and back to work, things look nicer. we'll have clouds sticking around for a little while, the rain, the pesky rain you have been seeing will be long gone. we'll pick up another quarter of an inch, a half inch in these areas. watch for that in richmond, roanoke, you have more rain on the way. again, quieter conditions. moving to texas, we have an inch to 2 inches we could see in those spots. again, not a whole lot of flooding concerns this afternoon, watch for the localized kind of flooding on the streets that you often see
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week, we could see record breaks highs by the time the weekends. >> i will not complain about the 76 degree weather that i'm currently not enjoying right now, instead enjoying the air-conditioning of this. thank you very much. coming up next, he's been impeached, and suspended by his own party. now what, texas attorney general ken paxton is headed for a state senate trial. what he did and what the vote might look like. plus, a third term, what turkey's president erdogan will do now, and what the u.s. thinks of his win. l do now, and what the u.s. thinks of his win granted. breyers carbsmart is so rich, so creamy, it tastes totally off-limits. but with only 4 grams of net carbs in every delicious serving, you've got the green light. better starts with breyers. sometimes you're so busy taking care of everyone else you don't do enough for yourself, or your mouth. but eventually, it will remind you. when it does, aspen dental is here for you. we offer the custom dental treatments you need, all under one roof, right nearby. so we can bring more life to your smile...
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unethical. the fact that i was prohibited from presenting evidence to defend myself reveals that this shameful process was curated from the start as an act of political retribution. i look forward to a quick resolution in the texas senate where i truly believe the process will be fair and just. >> texas attorney general ken paxton has been suspended after being impeached by his own party in the texas house. so what happens now? joining me now is tony pletsky, investigative reporter for "the statesman." a majority of republicans voted to impeach him, which means he is suspended until there's an outcome in the senate. when is the senate trial going to get scheduled?
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>> katy, that's an excellent question, and we have all been waiting throughout this weekend, this holiday weekend for lieutenant governor dan patrick who will preside over that proceeding and the senate to tell us more about the procedure itself and the logistics. leading up to the house vote, there had been conversations that perhaps the senate might even try to do this before it goes out of session at the end of the day today. that clearly is not the case. they have been hearing bills, both yesterday and today, so again, that raises the question about the timing of all of this, and whether or not this whole discussion might continue throughout the coming weeks and summer and make for a very hot summer, by the way, here in texas. >> all right. so in the senate, what are his chances? his wife is a state senator. part of the allegations around him concern cheating and a business associate moving the
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woman he was cheating with allegedly closer to him. is he on good terms with his wife in that state senate? do we have any idea how she might vote? >> she has said precious little since all of this broke. there is nothing, by the way, in the state constitution that would require her to recuse herself, and it's an open question whether or not she will. we know, though, that steadfastly through the years of their marriage as her political career has risen, as his political career has risen, the two of them have been quite intertwined and since all of these revelations came forward, including as you mentioned, the allegation that he has a mistress, she has continued to stand by him. i will tell you that the attorney general over this weekend did post pictures of himself with their children enjoying the memorial day
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weekend. she is not seen in those photographs. but at the same time, it's important to note that the senate does remain in session this weekend and today. >> it is remarkable what he has been accused of and what he's been impeached for, and we'll put it up on the screen. the articles of impeachment are many, seven counts of disregard of official duty, three counts of false statements in official records, two counts of misapplication of public resources, two counts of constitutional bribery, two counts of obstruction of justice, one count of conspiracy or attempted conspiracy, one count of dereliction of duty, one count of unfitness for office, one count of abuse of public trust. how did ken paxton get to this point? these allegations had been around him for so long, what was the straw that broke the camel's back for republicans who hadn't been paying attention to it
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until now? >> katy, it was that request for $3.3 million in taxpayer money to settle a lawsuit brought back in 2020 by four whistleblowers against ken paxton. keep in mind, they and their lawsuit cite so many of these allegations, chapter and verse. those allegations contained in that lawsuit, in fact, mirror a lot of the articles of impeachment that were brought by the house in recent days. but again, the allegations go back to nearly three years ago now, but what we are told is that it was the request for taxpayers to settle that lawsuit, that 3.3 million that made lawmakers say wait just a minute here, we should fully investigate this so that we can deeply and broadly understand all of the allegations against ken paxton. >> tony, thank you very much.
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on this memorial day, nbc's harry smith takes us along with families who are looking at long last for closure. >> just days ago, lieutenant carl nesbit was laid to rest. >> to honor the sacrifice that he made, that ultimate sacrifice. >> he was a bomber pilot in world war ii. his plane, the yankee doodle dandy shot down in germany. first listed as missing in action, then presumed deceased, leaving his parents bereft, his father desperate for answers. >> and he wrote several letters to the department of defense, find my boy, find my boy, and they never could. >> reverend greg seckman is lieutenant nesbit's nephew. months back, he was surprised by a call.
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>> i was very suspicious, i couldn't believe anyone would still be interested in my uncle some 75 years after he died. it was a request for a dna sample, which made the family wonder, even gave them hope. carl's niece, barbara fiddler. >> we knew there was a possibility. >> right. >> it was kind of have. we thought it was a shot in the dark. >> not a shot in the dark so much as a determined effort by a group called history flock. in both europe and the pacific, they perform archaeological digs, sifting through acres of earth in places they believe evidence of missing veterans can be found. >> no man left behind means we will do what we have to do to come back and get you. >> when you come on a site, and you find something that might be helpful, what is that like? >> it's like the heavens opens up. >> marine veteran justin lahue.
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>> so many families are missing something, they sent a loved one out the door expecting to see them again, and they didn't come back. not only did they not come back, they don't have answers. >> what history flight found, sent to the mpiw mia agency where it was painstakingly examined, with the technology of a csi like lab, they look for a dna match. when they make that match, they inform the family. >> since they never recovered a body, there was never any closure. >> carl nesbit is the lieutenant's name sake. >> you know, my uncle is a hero, he still is. and it was always a mystery until recently. i'm so happy. >> lieutenant nesbit's remains were discovered along with those of navigator second lieutenant wayne dire, and bomb bombardier,
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lieutenant meyer, history flight unearthed dog tags, even photographs. >> pieces of people's lives. >> the men who died were leading their crew on a crucial mission. >> somewhere over germany. >> an air assault of unimaginable proportions, deep behind enemy lines, a thousand b-17s and b-24s, and a thousand fighters, mustangs, thunder bolts, lightnings, charged that day to destroy german aircraft factories. fatality rates on b-17s were more than 50%. >> it's just amazing what dedication. >> jesse hoskins father was the ball tour et gunner on that plane. his father bailed out when the plane was hit, as did six others thanks to nesbit. >> he was the key to that entire
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crew, him holding those controls while the cables on this wing are shot out. he's holding that thing upside down, holding it all of his might to keep that plane in the air and give his buddies time to get out. and he did it. he did it. >> jesse's dad described nesbit as a character from a norman rockwell painting. >> i was extremely proud of him. i thought he was a fun guy. >> a fun guy. >> lieutenant nesbit's sister is 93. she remembers the big brother who took her to dances. >> he was sure nice to you. >> oh, he sure was. i used to like to bake cookies and stuff, and most of them went to him. >> so maybe he was your favorite? >> he was. i never said he wasn't. >> 70-some years later,
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lieutenant nesbit's family is justifiably proud, but more than anything, happy to have him home. >> thanks to harry smith. and it is right now 3:00 p.m. on the east coast, good to be with you, i'm katy tur. will we avoid a debt default. it's not up to congress. or it is up to congress now. it's now up to congress. speaker kevin mccarthy and president biden have a deal, and now they are trying to convince their parties to vote for it. so what exactly is in this deal? a two-year suspension on the debt ceiling, a cap on spending keeping it at 2023 levels for the next two years. clawing back unspent covid funds, more requirements on s.n.a.p. benefits and temporary assistance programs, work requirements, that is, and 20 billion less for the irs. but perhaps most importantly, unlike

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