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bombardments. three massive waves in the last 24 hours and we went out to one of the apartment buildings, residential building and they spoke with people in there, the entire building was completely destroyed last night and it was very clear from the outside, and ukrainian officials wouldn't tell us if it was damaged because of debris from a drone interception. ukrainian air force said they were batting 100, knocking down all of the russian drones last night or if this building took a direct hit. even though kyiv's air defenses are largely protecting the capital, it can be very, very dangerous here. >> yeah, and about those attacks in russia, just a week ago, we heard from the president telling me that he had heard from volodymyr zelenskyy they would not attack in russian geographic territory. thank you so much. that will do it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show online and on facebook. "chris jansing reports" starts right now.
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good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. can they get to 218 by tomorrow? with growing frustration over the debt deal on the right and the left, we have got latest on the arm twisting, political messaging and veiled threats coming out of capitol hill. all of it with a full house vote tentatively planned for tomorrow night. plus, desantis in des moines. the governor, how will his florida blueprint go over with the folks in iowa? and the war next door hits home for vladimir putin. literally. drones exploded on a moscow neighborhood while buildings were set fire in kyiv. we start with conservative republicans vowing to do everything in their power to kill the debt ceiling bill, demanding their colleagues vote
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it down. their opposition raising new fears about the future of the legislation and reigniting concerns that the country could be headed back to the brink of a catastrophic economic default. >> if you're out there watching this, every one of my colleagues, let me be very clear, not one republican should vote for this deal. it is a bad deal. >> we're not going to default. we're going to -- they're going to say this. let's call their bluff on it. the best deal is no deal. >> this deal fails, fails completely. and that's why these members and others will be absolutely opposed to the deal and we will do everything in our power to stop it. >> that message directly contradicting what is coming from republican leaders like the conference chair, elise stefanik, who is framing the agreement as a, quote, historic victory. now, over on the democratic side, house leaders are framing
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it as a defeat for maga extremists and their agenda. but progressives aren't all sold. i want to bring in nbc's sahil kapur on capitol hill, jonathan lemire, host of "way too early" and msnbc political analyst and matthew dowd, msnbc's senior political analyst. good to see you all. so, sahel, the test for messaging is whether it moves votes, right? do we have any sense of how it is working on either side? >> that's right, chris. we know the freedom caucus press conference's opposition is a headache for speaker mccarthy. whether it becomes a vote problem remains to be seen. we saw a dozen members of the republican conference at that press conference. some of the most hard right members who leadership was never counting on in a bipartisan deal with democrats. if the number remains that low, in terms of republican defections on the floor, it would be a dream outcome for kevin mccarthy. because democrats can vote on this and they are expected to
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provide a substantial number of votes at the end of the day to push this over the line. now, the freedom caucus members are singing a familiar tune here, they're saying the cuts in this bill are insufficient, the bill is gimmicky and swampy, that republicans gave up too much. as you note, it is a very different message coming from speaker mccarthy, his leadership team and their allies. they say this is historic and it cuts spending year over year, which is -- they're correct about that, it is rare in washington for that to happen. they have some conservative policy concessions to brag about on top of work requirements, permitting reform, restarting student loan payments after that pause and rescinding some irs funding, all this they say they did while controlling one half of one branch of government. the vibe i'm getting that we're putting up on capitol hill is that the center of the republican conference is holding, most members are on board, he will lose the house freedom caucus most of them, many of them. the question is do those far right members take the l and accept it and move on or try to do something drastic like come
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after speaker mccarthy's job. the same group of people who forced him into 15 ballots embarrassingly. that's the question with them. >> if you look at this, jonathan, mccarthy elevated a lot of these folks. some of them are on the rules committee. others like ken buck are floating the idea, in fact, they could go after the speaker himself. where do you see this right now? >> well, it may get worse before it gets better for speaker mccarthy. a few moments ago, congressman dan bishop of north carolina said he would call for his job. we know that it would just take one member to call for a vote to trigger to try to steal mccarthy's leadership. we'll see if he follows through. that rhetoric is out there now. we know to sahil's point that it took mccarthy 15 rounds to get speakership in the first place and his grip on it is tenuous. people i talked to on both sides of the aisle still think they're likely good here to get this
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done. but there is some unease. particularly among republicans. and therefore they're going to need a lot of democratic votes to get this through. this progressive unhappiness, but a group of centrist democrats, 100 votes, they committed to coming out for this. i spoke to a number of the top aides working the phones making one on one phone calls to lawmakers to make sure they back this deal saying, again, it is -- the consequences would simply be too great. they're telling democrats to say, look, obviously this is a compromise. we didn't get everything we wanted, but neither did the republicans and we protected the signature achievements of president biden's first two years in office. so they're saying this to be about as good of a deal as they can get. and they do feel like it will be close but they're whipping votes now, they think they'll get over the finish line. >> if you want to go and look at the republican party, yes, the
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loudest voices without a doubt, matthew, are the folks that we're hearing from, who want to blow this whole thing up. then you have people like dusty johnson, who i think represent a pretty big chunk of votes in the middle and here's what he had to say about this. >> i think part of the problem with republicans is that we are so often focused on hitting the hail mary pass that we forget about the power of incrementalism. this is going to spend less money next year, that is not sufficient, that does not solve all the problems of this country, but it is a big win. the strongest argument against this thing is that it isn't perfect. i don't know. welcome to humanity, right? in any negotiation, nobody gets anything they want. we cannot let perfect be the enemy of the good. i guarantee you the majority of the house is going to agree. >> welcome to humanity, matthew. i guess the question is if you're the average american, and you've been hearing for weeks if not months how devastating it will be if this deal doesn't work, do you listen to the dusty
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johnsons or listen to the chip roys? >> well, i think most americans are where dusty johnson is, can't you just reach consensus and compromise and just get it done, just like the average american lives in their daily life that they know they can't get everything. so most americans are in the place where joe biden is, and actually speaker mccarthy is and dusty johnson is, we're all -- each of us is not going to get everything we want, for the sake of the country, let's compromise and get it done. i think compromise, the problem is i think what you're pointing to, compromise is a dirty word for a minority of leaders that exist in washington, d.c. and anytime anybody says compromise, they think it is a sacrifice to their principles. the most principled stand is to do what is in the best interest of the majority of the country and the economy and that's putting a deal through that nobody is 100% satisfied with. >> there are a lot of stakes
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here on both sides, but let's talk specifically, matthew, about the republicans, "the wall street journal" put out an op-ed late yesterday about what the stakes are for them and wrote, quote, assuming the deal passes congress, it will defy the democratic narrative the republicans can't govern. mr. mccarthy's troops are proving they can and conservatives would be foolish to abandon the victories in this deal. would they be handing a win away or unclear whose win this might be if it passes? >> well, i think it is clear that the -- of the win that passes is the american public, so we don't go into default and the economy doesn't get tragically knocked around in the course of this and people's checks, whether they're on social security or medicaid or whatever continue to come. i think the fascinating thing about this is this deal if it passes, sort of blows up two narratives simultaneously. one that speaker mccarthy was unwilling to do anything to accomplish any goals in governance, while he did reach a
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compromise with the president and this other narrative interestingly enough, kristen -- chris is that joe biden is not up to the job, he's too old, he can't do it, what is going on with him. well, he's both -- speaker mccarthy and joe biden have both proven simultaneously that part of the myth is wrong. >> so, jonathan, the white house argument seems to be we were successful in avoiding a default, this is the narrative that, you know, we came up with this deal and we did it without giving huge concessions to the republicans. whether you buy that analysis or not, what does this mean for the president for joe biden who, if this gets done, doesn't have to worry about it until after the next election? >> yeah, that's a key part here. the white house and frankly speaker mccarthy wanted to move. the next debt ceiling to show down until after the 2024 election. you hit the nail on the head in terms of what the white house argument is.
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they're saying it is a compromise, we didn't get everything we wanted but we kept our core values. nothing touched social security or medicaid. we enshrined a lot of achievements that the democrats and the white house were able to get in the president's first two years in office and able to -- his advisers tell me, project a competency again, an above the fray. deliberate decision to back out of the public messaging space in the last couple of weeks and a decision frankly that alienated some democrats, but they ceded a lot of the ground to the speaker and to republicans, but the white house feels like there is a benefit from trying to take the temperature down a little bit, from trying to be the adult in the room. and to be the sort of seasoned hand who gets things done. they're going to point to a number of occasions over the president's first two and a half years where he's been able to do that. he's been able to get big things done including by reaching across the aisle and they think voters will reward him for that next november. >> jonathan lemire and sahil kapur, thank you. matthew, you'll be back in a
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moment. breaking news right now, it is about the former first lady, rosalynn carter. the carter center announcing just moments ago she has been diagnosed with dementia. rosalynn carter is 95 years old. her husband, former president jimmy carter, is 98. he went into hospice care at his home over the past several months. there were reports that the two of them had basically been together, hanging out, at their house in plains. we're going to have much more on this breaking news later this hour. but, again, sad to hear the report that rosalynn carter has been diagnosed with dementia. and still ahead, 12 cities, three states, and a lot at stake. florida governor ron desantis taking his campaign on the road with a new focus on attacking donald trump. we're back in 60 seconds. donald trump we're back in 60 seconds we know patients are more than their disease. that's why, at novo nordisk, we've spent a hundred years developing treatments to help unlock humanity's full potential.
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today, ron desantis begins to make his play for iowa, kicking off his first campaign trip in the first voting state, calling it the great american comeback tour. his message is that the country needs a reboot, and he's the one to lead it. >> everyone knows if i'm the nominee, i will beat biden, and i will serve two terms and i will be able to destroy leftism in this country and leave woke ideology on the dust bin of history. but with that name, the great american comeback tour critics say the more immediate comeback needs to be the desantis campaign itself. still haunted by that rocky rollout on twitter. nbc's dasha burns is following the desantis campaign in iowa and matthew dowd is back with us. dasha, does the desantis campaign feel it needs a reset after that widely mocked twitter rollout? they're not going to make an announcement saying we really made a mess of things. but what are you hearing on the
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inside and what can we expect tonight? >> well, look, they know that now the game really begins, right? for the last few months, chris, as he's been in iowa now, this is his third trip here, but his first trip as an actual presidential candidate, for the last few months, when they have been asked about the lagging poll numbers and other controversies, their line has been, look, he's not a candidate. well, now he is. and so this is a whole new ball game now. the pressure is really on to demonstrate that he can really do this, that he can be the formidable alternative to former president trump and can win over those voters who are maybe skeptical of the former president and looking to find somebody else and that desantis is that somebody else for them. here are the things that i'm going to be watching for tonight as this kickoff happens in the church behind me. the fact that this is happening at a church in iowa, not so subtle message trying to sort of make that play to evangelical
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voters, which are going to be critical for desantis and perhaps an area where he might be able to chip into trump's base a little bit. you've seen the two of them have a tit for tat on abortion. trump saying that maybe the six-week ban was a little bit too harsh, desantis jumping on that, having -- saying trump should clarify his position on the six-week ban. the big thing i'm watching for is how directly is desantis going to go after trump now that he's officially in the race and now that he's talking directly to voters in the really critical early states. look, there is a high risk in taking trump head on. is there a reward? that is yet to be seen. so just how will he thread that needle, that's going to be really critical, chris. the other piece of this, you know iowa, they prize their retail politics, so does new hampshire, so does south carolina where he'll be going later this week. so, this will be a massive test
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for him as a candidate. can he win over those voters, can he prove the skeptics wrong who have been saying he's not a guy that can do the handshakes and the baby kissing and the retail politics? can he prove them wrong and really be on the ground with voters and make the case and win them over here, chris? >> so, matthew to that point, there is that old saying, you only get one chance to make a first impression. on the other hand, iowa is a hands on state. people expect you to talk to them. people expect you to shake their hand, listen to them. is it an opportunity for desantis to begin to lose the image brought about by a rocky start. does he have it in him? >> yes, he has an opportunity, but does he have the capability? i mean, that's the real question. iowa more than any other state, more than new hampshire, more than south carolina, more than any other state, is immersed in retail politics. it is the tradition, and think
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about this, only 200,000 people will participate in the gop caucuses for 2024. that means last time 50,000 votes won it. won the primary last time. it is not a heavy television state to -- where you can convince voters. it is not a heavy social media state for republican primary voters who happen to be older and whiter than the average american in the country. and so, he does have an opportunity. to me, it is the only needle he can thread. if he runs a national campaign with sort of national messaging, and sort of broad television advertising, he can't win against donald trump. the only way he can win is to prove it in iowa first, because what the republicans want is a winner, but the only way you can prove you're a winner is to win and that's why i think it is a dice roll, but it is probably the only roll of the dice he has left in his campaign. >> we're going to do a little deeper dive on this later, matthew i want to ask about "the new york times" report that chris christie and entry into the race is imminent.
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unlike everybody else in the campaign, he has not been shy about going after donald trump. do you think he'll change the dynamic of this race and might he have an influence on desantis? >> well, anytime a bull goes in a china shop, it changes the dynamic of the china shop, so, chris christie is the bull in this republican primary. i don't give him much chance because the republican party doesn't seem to want to go to someone like chris christie who is doing the things and said the things he has to say. but he definitely will. seems to be the only one that will take on donald trump personally and it is one of those ones, if chris christie is in the race, i cannot wait to watch a republican primary debate and watch what happens at the debate. i don't think he has a long -- he has a long shot at winning, but he'll definitely change the dynamic because he'll go toe to toe with donald trump. >> i am with you on that. i'm guessing dasha is too. we want to see that debate. dasha burns, matthew dowd, thank you very much.
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police in hollywood, florida, just released these photos of three people they believe are connected to the horrific memorial day shooting that injured at least nine people, including a 1-year-old. this moment capturing the utter panic as beachgoers frantically fled the scene after gunfire erupted along the hollywood promenade. right now, two people have been arrested for firearms charges. but police are continuing their search for the additional suspects. police say the shooting started when an altercation broke out between two groups, three of the nine people wounded have been discharged now from the hospital. russia is on high alert after a series of drone strikes on moscow this morning in what appears to be the first attacks on a residential area there since the war began. russian authorities say they intercepted all eight drones, but falling debris damaged several buildings and hurt at least two people. in the ukrainian capital, a third wave of russian aerial attacks in just the 24 hours sent people including children
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scrambling for safety. at least one person was killed and four injured in kyiv, according to the mayor. nbc's molly hunter is on the ground for us. well, kyiv has absolutely been battered from the skies all month long. but this is a new experience for russian civilians, hundreds of miles from the front lines. what more can you tell us about these duelling attacks? >> reporter: it is a new experience for citizens of russia who live in moscow, of course. there is really no comparison when you think about the experience that ukrainian civilians, people who have been living in kyiv in the last four days it has been a really long month, 17, at least 17 i think my number is right, counting for the attacks in the last 24 hours. really targeting this capital city. but also across the rest of the country. what we know about the moscow drone attacks, though, is really just from official sources. i will run you through what we do know, dmitry peskov, the spokesperson, said putin was
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briefed early this morning. we have a statement from president putin, i think we can put that up on screen. he says the kyiv regime chose the path of intimidation of russian citizens and strikes on residential buildings. this, of course, is a clear sign of terrorist activity. now, here in kyiv it is a totally different story. what we have seen just in the last 24 hours are huge pieces of fragments and debris. even though the ukraine air force, we talked about this, says they're batting 100, they're getting most of the missiles and the drones out of the sky as they're fired over the capital city, what happens is huge chunks of debris fall down in the last 24 hours, one person has been killed, multiple people have been injured and the damage that we have seen in this last attack is really huge. we went over to a multistory apartment building, residential apartment building earlier today and it looked absolutely gutted as if it had taken a direct hit by a cruise missile. we understand and we think that it was just damage from a drone, we spoke with a man who was on
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the 12th floor 3:00 a.m. described that explosion, a pressurized explosion, he made it out alive. like i said, one person was killed. so even though the air defenses in kyiv are working, it can still be dangerous, the million dollar question, though, here in kyiv, for ukrainian officials, for western allies, is how long can the air defenses sustain this kind of pace of russian aerial attacks, chris? >> molly hunter, thank you for that. coming up next hour, a closer look at what that drone attack could mean for russia in the war ahead. stay tuned for that. something of a miracle at the site of a collapsed building in iowa. a woman pulled out alive and unharmed, just before demolition was set to begin. how she survived without a scratch. and later, the big mystery in venice. what turned the famous grand canal bright green? you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. en you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc she wants
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we have breaking news. we just got our hands on the papers, the family of the 11-year-old shot by mississippi police filing a federal lawsuit against the state and the officer who shot him. for the first time since he was shot, we're hearing directly from 11-year-old aderrien murry. he's still bandaged. >> did you think you were dying at the time.
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>> i asked if i was about to lose my life. it feel like a taser, like a big punch to the chest. that's what it feels like getting shot. i ran to my mom. and then i was bleeding from my mouth. >> police came to the house after aderrien dialed 911. he was looking for help for his mom because her ex-boyfriend showed up outside. indianola's mayor says police suspended the officer who fired the shot, but aderrien's mom wants him fired. a state investigation is still ongoing. msnbc legal analyst and defense attorney danny cevallos is here with me. i'm getting a chance to look at this, we're learning more about what happened to aderrien. major injuries to his body, according to this lawsuit, a collapsed lung, a lacerated
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river, fractured ribs, had to be -- a chest tube had to be put in, he was placed on oxygen. what else can you tell us about this lawsuit? >> what stands out to me about this lawsuit, the pages of this complaint, aren't actually in the complaint. it is what will happen afterwards. and that's that this case will almost certainly not go to trial. because that would require in this, which is a standard section 1983 claim, a federal law creates a remedy are a right of law to bring a lawsuit for violations of constitutional or federal statutory rights. this complaint alleges very standard claims when it comes to excessive force, usually covered by the fourth amendment. now, do the police defendants here want to go to trial or do they want to try to actually assert qualified immunity? yes, qualified immunity protects many officers from actions like this, but practically speaking. optics, do you want to be arguing that the actions of this
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officer were objectively reasonable in court when you have a plaintiff like this, like this child, we just saw speaking -- >> clearly a child who says he put his hands up, right? >> exactly right. all of those facts and especially to the extent they are born out say by body worn camera or other witness testimony, which we don't know completely yet, the case would have to go through discovery, but if i was advising the city defendants here and the municipalities, i would say this is not a case you take to trial. this is a case you settle. even if you think that you can win on qualified immunity, and i have to tell you, i handle these cases and qualified immunity is remarkably easy for police defendants to make out. in essence, the test is with no police officer in his or her right mind have thought that this was the right thing to do. you have to prove that it was not just unreasonable to this officer, but unreasonable to every officer everywhere that this action was the wrong thing to do. that's a hard thing to prove.
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>> except i think in the court of public opinion, when you're dealing with an 11-year-old kid, who is clearly unarmed, you could make the argument that it is easier than some for sure. having said that, the mom, understandably, wants answers. she wants this police officer fired. she wants to know what do we have, what's the evidence that i can see to tell me that what i believe happened didn't happen, what is the delay here with this investigation? that hasn't been -- if things had been moving pretty quickly in some of these cases recently. >> the good thing is now that the case is a civil case, the process of discovery under the federal rules, they move pretty quickly. more quickly than say, civil state courts. when you're in federal court, federal judges don't kid around when it comes to discovery. you've got to produce it and if you play hide the ball, hide the discovery, you'll face the wrath of a federal judge, that includes if you are a
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municipality department. federal judges treat everyone equally when it comes to discovery violations. this complaint here just guarantees that it is going to speed up in the coming months, maybe not tomorrow, maybe not next week, but under the federal rules this case, discovery will begin and assuming that the municipality defendants don't get this case thrown out because they probably will at least move to throw the case out, this case, we will find out or the plaintiffs will find out what is in the files of those municipality defendants. >> danny, you're going to stick around. we have another case we want to talk about in a bit. but we also want to get back to the breaking news regarding the health of the former first lady rosalynn carter. blayne alexander joins us now. what have you been able to learn? >> reporter: well, chris, we just learned this news from a statement from the carter center that came out about 38 minutes ago. they put out publicly, they said they wanted to release this news publicly, that the former first
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lady who is 95 years old, has been diagnosed with dementia. i'm going to read you a little bit of the statement that came out from the carter center located here in atlanta saying that she is continuing to live happily at home, with her husband, of course, the former president, enjoying spring in plains and visits with loved ones. but, it is really notable, of course, we have been watching the former president, the former first lady, still very closely, chris, over the past few months, ever since it was announced former president jimmy carter was entering hospice care three months ago. we know, of course, the former first lady for her time in the white house, but she made such an indelible impact on so many people, so many americans, through her work, really being one of the country's leading mental health advocates. she was the founder of the rosalynn carter institute for caregivers. their love story is an epic one. they're due to celebrate their it really is something when you
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talk about the former first couple, seeing them hand and hand, walking through the streets of plains, you talk with people down there, and they say that the former first lady, of course, is a fixture there, along with her husband, taking walks through the street and talking to people there. i think the other thing when you think about rosalynn carter, you think about her humanitarian work, alongside her husband. they were in washington, in the white house for four years, but the carter center in many ways, their humanitarian work around the world, is going to be such a part of their enduring legacy. found decades ago in 1982. in fact, the news today, when the family put out a statement, they said that they did so, they shared the news about her condition in hopes of improving the important conversations at dinner tables and doctor's offices around the country, chris. >> blayne alexander, thank you for that. davenport officials say five people are still unaccounted for after an apartment building collapsed in iowa earlier this week.
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and just yesterday, authorities rescued a 52-year-old woman after she was found alive, a day after the city called off search efforts and scheduled the building to be demolished. lisa brooks was trapped in the rubble, hiding under a couch on an upper floor for more than 24 hours. demolition of the building, which was scheduled to start as soon as today, is now on hold. shaquille brewster is there in davenport, iowa, there are a lot of folks who were not happy when they made the decision they were going to demolish that building. now it looks pretty pressing. what is happening now there, shaq? >> reporter: you talk about people who are not happy about that announcement yesterday that the demolition was expected to start this morning. that includes people like here, people are outside of the gate in front of the building. i want you to take a look at that building. they have been here for some time, including yesterday, after the announcement was initially made that this demolition would take place. and that's because they believe
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there are still people inside. they still want another search to happen. especially after what we saw yesterday. lisa brooks, yesterday afternoon, being rescued from the fourth floor of that building after the search and rescue was already complete. the mayor addressed that obvious question of why was that wrapped up and how was she still in there and not discovered by rescuers. i want you to listen to what the mayor said in the press conference earlier this morning. >> yesterday evening a very happy event, miss lisa brooks was rescued from the fourth story of the building. the immediate question i know people are asking is how did she get there, and why wasn't she found earlier. i am totally transparent with you. i do not know. we do not know. but understand, please, that i and the city is committed to finding out why.
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>> reporter: city officials said the rush to bring that building down is the fact that it is structurally unsound. they say it can fall at any point. it even shifted as rescue workers were in that building, earlier this week. but i'll tell you, you see the protesters here, they're going around there, there are two people missing who officials now confirm are inside -- they are likely to be inside that building. the mayor described it as a likely resting place. so as plans are being re-evaluated, they are saying they will take any demolition that happens, they will treat it with care, knowing that it is likely now that there is some sort of life inside, whether or not that life is deceased or whether or not there is a miracle taking place, there is something going on there, so that's why there is that delay from city officials right now. but you have people saying they want that delay to be extensive. they want to see another round of search rescues take place. >> it is hard to imagine that they're going to pull that
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building down given what happened yesterday. we'll see. shaq brewster, keep us posted. thank you so much. it was a deadliest anti-semitic attack in u.s. history and now the man accused of gunning down worshipers at the tree of life synagogue is standing trial. we're live in pittsburgh where prosecutors were building the case for the death penalty. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. ty you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc (vo) this is sadie. she's on verizon, and she has the new myplan where she gets exactly what she wants and only pays for what she needs. she picks only the perks she wants and saves on every one! all with an incredible new iphone. get iphone 14 pro on us when you switch. it's your verizon. (bridget) with thyroid eye disease i hid from the camera. and i wanted to hide from the world. for years, i thought my t.e.d. was beyond help...
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charged with the 2018 mass killing of 11 worshipers at pittsburgh's tree of life synagogue. the deadliest anti-semitic attack in u.s. history. the defendant offered to plead guilty on all 63 hate crime and gun charges in exchange for life in prison. instead, prosecutors are now pushing for the death penalty, even with victims' families publicly divided on the issue. george solis is live from pittsburgh for us. msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos is back with me. george, this trial wasn't always expected to happen and while some families did want their day in court, others argued it would retraumatize them. tell us what's happening there today. >> reporter: yeah, chris, it is a somber mood right now from our team inside of the courthouse. we know that a rabbi from the tree of life is speaking right now. and we're told that bowers is paying close attention, the mood in the courtroom is tense as this is a case that many
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wondered, we know there was a lot of disagreement between the prosecution and the defense, the defense trying to ensure life in prison, the prosecution saying no, this was a case that was going to go to trial. there is that divisiveness. members of the congregation, victims, family member of the victims, who don't want to see bowers sentenced to death. others saying the punishment does fit the crime, opening arguments in this case for the prosecution about 40 minutes in which they basically laid out the entire case going over some of the details of the shooting in horrific detail. the defense taking about 20 minutes trying to explain their case. not disputing the facts of this case, because as we know, this -- the facts here aren't really in dispute. this is more about whether or not this will be a case in disp. it's about whether this will be case of the death penalty. basically saying this is a complicated case. he was a man who drove a truck for disabled people and was raised in pittsburgh. basically just trying to
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humanize him in a sense but no one really disputing the facts of this case. it's going to take place in two faces. first, the so-called guilty or not guilty phase then the discussion on whether or not this will become a death penalty case. again, members here of the community of course happen nearly five years after the fact. it's a very somber mood. >> so the death penalty. prosecutors, what will they have to prove and what will be mitigating factors in a case like this? >> federal death penalty cases are the only cases in the federal system in which the jury decides liability, guilty, and also decide the punishment. in every case, the judge and judge alone hands down the punishment. the sentence, whatever it may be. that's why jury selection took so long in this case because they have to qualify capital qualified juries, jurors, and ask them very difficult questions about whether or not
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they could vote to send somebody so their death. it's high profile. and because they have to be death penalty qualified in the end. so when it comes to the burden of proof on the liability side, the guilty side, the prosecution's burden is beyond a reasonable doubt but it won't be very difficult to prove the essential elements of all of the charges here, which many overlap. you have the use of the firearm. the denial or infringement of religious believes. so many charges overlap in terms of elements. the burden of proof here is high technically speaking. where the challenge is and only real debate in this case is whether or not this is a death penalty case. so it becomes all about mitigation for the defense. can they put anything in front of this jury that says this defendant's life is worth
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saving? this is not somebody you should condemn to death. that's where the real issues in this case are. the liability side is essentially a fore gone conclusion. the penalty phase, that's where the work will be done by both sides and you'll see the defense scramble to come up with anything they can to put into evidence that this is somebody whose life should be spared. >> thank you. still ahead, nightmare at sea. flooded hallways, broken glass and passengers scared for their lives. the stories emerging from a cruise ship rocked by a powerful storm. you're watching chris jansing reports only on msnbc. g chris j reports only on msnbc. whenever you're hungry, there's a deal on the subway app. buy one footlong, get one 50% off in the subway app today. now that's a deal worth celebrating. man, what are you doing?! get it before it's gone on the subway app. ♪♪ (vo) this is sadie. she's on verizon,
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passengers aboard one carnival cruise ship couldn't wait for it to end. take a look at this video. water came streaming into cabins of the ship after the ship sailed into rough waters and high winds. sam brock reports passengers are sharing their stories of terrifying moments on board. >> for some 3,000 passengers cruising on the carnival sunshine this past week, a coastal storm turned their caribbean dreams into a scary nightmare. >> i just prayed over and over
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and over for those water to calm down. >> after five days of nearly perfect weather, the ship was slammed by wind gusts up to 80 miles an hour as it approached south carolina's coast. swells of nearly 20 feet tilting the ship, flooding corridor, unhinging doors and terrifying passengers. >> i recently went through cancer treatment and this trip was about three times scarier. >> sharon, a college professor, was celebrating with her 73-year-old mom, her care giver during the cancer treatments. both women couldn't believe what they were witnessing. >> the ship took a hit from a massive wave. it scared the heck out of me. it sounded like the ship split in two. >> to make it worse, passengers say the only communication coming from the captain friday was just as the storm started. >> as we sail back to charleston and maybe arrive later than scheduled. we continue to monitor the
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situation to provide you with an update tomorrow morning. >> also telling passengers to be cautious when walking around the ship and that the vessel might move more than usual. over 12 hours the ship was pounded by fierce winds and rough seas. several passengers we spoke with say they didn't receive any further information from the captain or crew until the next morning and a screen displaying wind speeds was replaced with a stand by slate. >> there was a crew door and they said they saw the crew in their wearing life jackets. i'm like, they're wearing life jackets but not telling us to do anything. >> daniel taylor's cabin was on deck, too. >> it sounded like it was tearing the ship apart. >> carnival releasing a statement writing in part, carnival sunshine's return to charleston was impacted by the weather and rough seas. the ship's arrival but delayed. we appreciate the patience of our guests. the unsettling sequence leaving
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thousands of passengers shaken but thankfully, there were no reports of any injuries. >> i don't wish this on my worst enemy. it was awful. >> sam brock, nbc news. >> note to self. if i see a crew with their life jackets on, put on my life jacket. we've got a lot to cover in our second hour. let's get right to it. >> at this hour, president biden and kevin mccarthy's 11th hour debt limit bill is about to face its first test. just 60 minutes away now. where things stand as pressure ramps up to get this thing passed before a default in six days. and behind bars. elizabeth holmes just arrived to prison to serve out a more than 11-year sentence for defrauding investors in her blood testing company.
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