thousands of passengers shaken but thankfully, there were no reports of any injuries. >> i don't wish this on my worst enemy. it was awful. >> sam brock, nbc news. >> note to self. if i see a crew with their life jackets on, put on my life jacket. we've got a lot to cover in our second hour. let's get right to it. >> at this hour, president biden and kevin mccarthy's 11th hour debt limit bill is about to face its first test. just 60 minutes away now. where things stand as pressure ramps up to get this thing passed before a default in six days. and behind bars. elizabeth holmes just arrived to prison to serve out a more than 11-year sentence for defrauding investors in her blood testing company. plus, ending u.s. democracy.

new details from investigators about why the driver crashed a u-haul truck into barriers near the white house and the shocking speech he planned to deliver to quote, rebuild this world. also, a latest from that horrific memorial day shooting near the beach in hollywood, florida that left nine people injured including three kids. the youngest, just 1-year-old. our nbc news reporters are following all the latest developments. we want to begin with the latest on the florida boardwalk. the police i understand have arrested two people on firearms charges but they're looking for more suspects still. >> memorial day resulting in tragedy here in hollywood beach. police say this all started because of an altercation between two groups here on the beach when thousands were celebrating the holiday. there is surveillance footage

that shows some of those suspects that police are still looking for. so the latest update from police indicates they arrested two individuals carrying firearms. they were not identified as the shooters but they have been arrested on gun related charges. additionally, police have shared three different photos of individual suspects that they are looking for. now, when they made those arrest, they also recovered five different handguns. of those two they reported as stolen, one from texas and one from florida. they also informed as of yesterday that a person of interest had been detained. that is the latest update. of the victim, we know nine individuals were struck by gunfire. five adults and four minors including a 1-year-old. as of this morning, hospital officials informed that three adults has been discharged from the hospital. as well as the four minors. now all six, the four minors and two adults are reported in stable condition in the

hospital. meanwhile, authorities are asking the public for help with extra videos or photos that might help with this investigation and of course, now that they've released these photos that look like they're taken from some of that surveillance footage, they are asking the public with help identifying the individuals in those three photos. that is the latest information from hollywood beach. back to you. >> thank you for that. federal prosecutors say the man accused of crashing a u-haul truck near the white house wrote a speech declaring the death of u.s. democracy and concluded it with a misspelled nazi motto. ken dilanian is live for us from u.s. what do we know? >> his federal public defender did file a request for a delay saying she needed more time to prepare a release plan. it's not clear the hearing will proceed today as scheduled but a memo that federal prosecutors

filed friday in support of keeping him behind bars say he kept a journal that included a speech that he planned to give had he taken over the government after the crash. the memo quotes a passage describing a post democratic united states. he addresses my fellow citizens of america and was going to announce the u.s. was no longer a democracy and any opposition will be met with the death penalty. he added there shall be consequences if civil unrest happens. also that he told the secret service after he was arrested his plan was to kill the president and seize power and that he admired the nazis. so not a well person. we'll wait and see about the detention hearing. thank you for that. the defamed thernos founder, elizabeth holmes, just arrived to begin serving an 11-year sentence in texas.

morgan brennan joins us with more. holmes was one of silicon valley's biggest success stories until she wasn't. it wasn't really, it would be an understatement to say that it was a fall from grace. what now? >>. >> right now, you have 135-month sentence. just over 11 years. with elizabeth holmes reporting to prison in texas just a short while ago for a blood testing scam. this is a very dramatic u turn from fame to enphamy in a year's long saga that chronicles the rise and fall of one of silicon valley's most high profile start ups run by one of the most high profile entrepreneurs. she was found guilty of defrauding investors, not patients. she founded and ran thernos. she sought to revolutionize the blood testing industry and at is

peak, thernos was valued at $9 billion. one of the most valuable venture start ups at the time. she was worth about $4.5 billion. an investor list that included some of the biggest, richest moguls. the walton family, heirs of walmart. rupert murdoch, betsy devoss. jim mattis. all began to unravel when "the wall street journal" began reporting on capabilities, did not appear to work as claimed. you saw investigations ensue. the sec filed charges in 2018. it went from there. there have been in twists and turns in this saga including the conviction of another executive. plus, you had pandemic delays. there have been various motions for appeal, delays largely denied by holmes and she recently gave birth to her second child.

so now, she is behind bars, in custody. this last chapter, perhaps, plays out there. >> morgan, thank you for that. now live to capitol hill. kevin mccarthy is speaking about that last minute debt limit bill. let's listen. >> about democratic votes and how many he might be able to provide? >> i haven't talked to him. >> is that necessary to do? >> you've been here a long time. anytime there's an agreement with two parties, there's always two parties who vote. but the thing that's interesting here is a largest savings from american history. the unshackling of wasteful washington spending. of all the money they rescinded and added together, this is higher than that. and the idea we fought so hard to get those work requirements and welfare reform or the idea that you could make the president, if he wants to add a new regulation, that now he has to off set that. we haven't had that.

so i'm not sure what everybody wants. we couldn't get everything we wanted. focused on about 11% of the budget and when you talk about spending back to 2022, the nondefense is back. veterans get more money. defense gets more money. so i think this is a place and we can't for the next six years have always said the debt ceiling is like a family having a credit card but the family's charged all the way up so what have we done? we made sure next year, this year we'll spend less than last year. we're going to put a spending cap for six years so we can't keep spending the way we are. we looked around for things we bought that we can return like covid money. money to china. we're bringing that back. we might have a child that has no job, sitting on the coach. encourage that person to get a job and have to go to work,

which gives them worth and value. we're going to look at other things, too, to make the economy stronger so we're reforming. you no longer have to spend years in environmental -- we limited it to one to two years. these are major victories. i understand people get upset about walking through a debt ceiling, but this is a house, a senate, and a presidency. i think we're going to read "the wall street journal," you read the "new york post." you listen to a lot of economists. they say this is the strongest debt ceiling we've had and if i can pair it when they have the house, the senate and presidency, they can't cut anything. >> and so speaker mccarthy working to whip votes in the house. meantime, the white house has taken new steps to shore up support. what can you tell us, monica? >> that's right, chris. exactly. i think you just heard something from mccarthy there that we've been hearing from the president

in the last couple of days after this tentative deal was reached saturday night. that's look, neither side of this is going to be completely thrilled. you have to give up things in order to reach a compromise. and that is clear from both the white house and speaker mccarthy in talking to his members that they knew there were going to be democrats and republicans who were going to have issue with what they put forward. at the end of the day, because they were able to have this handshake agreement from both parties, they know they're going to have democrats and republicans who need to step up and vote for it to support it. that doesn't mean it's going to be easy. in many ways, a lot of people were looking at these negotiations saying this is really complicated stuff and now we're in the next month intensive phase to try to see how they're going to consolidate support on both ends. i can tell you here that president biden has been making phone calls pretty much non-stop the last couple of days to members of congress. his top aides have been doing the same thing at the staff level trying to reassure especially those who have major concerns about things like the strict work requirements that

made its way into the deal then some other things that democrats have said we would never vote for some of the provisions included here but at the same time, they haven't said they're not going to support it. so we have to see and wait what happens in the next couple of hours in terms of how this goes for this speaker and the rules committee, the white house watching that very closely. but overall, they are feeling like, confident because they do believe that both parties and leaders have talked to enough members to get their support to avoid a catastrophic default. it's still going to be complicated. a crucial negotiator in this, to take questions and talk about the optimism and why this deal can be reached even though they expect some democratic defection. >> our capitol hill reporter was

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all with an incredible new iphone. get iphone 14 pro on us when you switch. it's your verizon. whether it's progressive democrats calling it bad policy or conservative republicans labeling it a quote and this is their words, turd sandwich, the debt limit bill already has more than its share of critics but with the bill heading to the rules committee in just about an hour, we're about to get our first real sense of whether that's just talk or adds up to real trouble. joining me now, ali vitali on capitol hill and elise jordan. so, ali, we caught only the last couple of minutes of that group talking to the speaker. i know you had a question for him. what did we learn from him just moments ago? where is his head now? >> i asked the speaker several questions as they stopped here

at our cameras and talked to us. it's the first time we're getting him to react to the idea that ultra conservative members of his conference are not happy with this. he really did sidestep those concerns and instead when i asked him if he had spoken to those members, he told me, yeah, i have, but his question to me was i don't get what they are unhappy about and then continued to go through and tout various piece of the bill he thinks are important, including the idea they are capping certain spending. they are putting work requirements in for certain anti poverty programs. those were key republican priorities for the conference that now he's able to say he got in this long fought negotiation. not to say he got everything. but republicans and democrats alike would agree there are things in here they like and things they don't and that's what you get when you do a negotiation. so while he was able to defend the work he did, the other thing

i asked him was what the conversations were like that he had had with his counterpart on the other side about votes he might provide. mccarthy said he hasn't had to conversation yet but that's a question i'm asked as lawmakers come back in town today. the other piece of this is what happens in the rules committee. mccarthy seemed to sidestep any concern that is this would not get out of the rules committee. you've got nine republicans and four democrats. not all nine republicans are on the same page and specifically, we're looking at three of them. massey as well as chip roy and ralph norman. those are the three i'm really looking closely at when they get to the rules committee in about an hour. that's because norman and roy both have been outspoken about how much they hate where this negotiation ended up. massey though is one where we anticipate he could be the person that votes to allow this rule. which means this bill goes to

the floor then we'll see what happens tomorrow. that would mean it goes according to the plan that we have right now. of course, anything can happen but at the same time, you saw a confident speaker mccarthy here with me in the last few minutes. that's through the rules vote and when the house does their half then the senate side of the building. >> so elise, i want to dig deeper into the opposition from conservatives. we saw something interesting during a press conference today because one member, dan bishop, raised his hand when asked if the motion to vacate the speaker was on the table. earlier today, mccarthy talked about republican opposition to the bill. >> this is the biggest cut in american history we vote for. there's no new taxes, no new government programs. would i want to cut more? yes. i was only able to work on less than 15% of the budget so i'm not sure what else they want to do.

>> exactly the message he just delivered in that group basically, that ali was in. can he shrug off the threats from these conservatives? is it just a numbers game or is this something more serious potentially? >> ali, correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe now it's down to the rules committee and if those votes are there even if roy -- was made during the speaker's race, the agreement being supposedly which mccarthy's allies deny this, a bill coming through rules would have to have unanimous republican approval. that seems more like a gentleman's agreement than a technicality than something that is the rule that must be followed to get this out of committee. that being true and if it does pass through, it seems like there are the votes for this to overall pass. >> what are you going to be watching for, elise, and

particularly from the political lens and does anybody win or lose or what are the implications with voters? >> there could be republicans that come along when the vote actually comes to be had and they're just airing some opposition now frankly because it is good for them. they know biden's approval ratings are suffering. they don't want to give him a win to negotiate with republicans. for these republicans, the supposed holdouts may be at the end of the day, they might vote yes. for now though, republicans, their discontent is over covid era spending levels they wanted to see drop to more of a pre pandemic era. >> ali, thank you. elise. stay with me. meantime, drone strikes rocking moscow as a putin ally makes an alarming promise.

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a wave of drones struck moscow this morning in what appears to be a major escalation. a first attack on a residential area of the russian capital since the invasion of ukraine. russia is blaming ukraine for the attack as putin describes as terrorism even though an attack was launched in kyiv today. by what the u.s. believed was a ukraine-led drone attack just one of a string of incidents that have brought the war home. joining us now, david ignatius. david, look, u.s. officials you know this, have voiced concern over ukraine attacking within russia. we don't know who launched these

drones today but an adviser to president zelenskyy said he was pleased to see it and predicted there would be more to come. what's your take on what this might mean? >> first, i think it's an important psychological blow to russia. the idea that ukrainians have been trying to project that russians can't simply sit in their homes and watch the destruction of kyiv and other cities and expect nothing. today was the day when the war came home to russians where they live. president putin himself said it was an attempt to intimidate russians. called it a terrorist attack. but at a time when kyiv is being pounded, attacks on kyiv over the last several days has been extraordinary. not seen before in this war. if the question is what comes next, will russia feel as the u.s. has been fearing that it will have to escalate. this attack that strikes at residential areas, will they

have to step the war up and make it even more dangerous and damaging for ukraine. but putin hinted at that, hinting at some kind of mirror response, but we'll have to see. it's not clear to see what additional weapons russia has. it's throwing everything it's got into the fight right now while ukraine is about to launch a counteroffensive that could be very damaging to the russian front lines. so it's just a moment to say where the psychological tone of the war changed. >> would you say at least at the very at least that for putin, it's a propaganda opportunity? >> it's a propaganda opportunity and also propaganda setback. when the war comes home to moscow and what he has been calling, don't forget, he doesn't call it a war. he calls it a special military operation. the idea is to keep it below the

level where it affects russians and their daily lives. that ended today. russian residential neighborhoods in moscow were hit. so it's a psychological blow for putin. putin may escalate in ways that again risk fear of use of tactical nuclear weapons. other escalatory moves that i'm sure will concern the biden administration. but i think in terms of the psychological turn of the screw here, it's probably being felt more in moscow than anywhere. >> let me ask you about belarus' president. of course, close ally of putin. he's promised nuclear weapons to any country who joins the belarus russian union. just says after confirming, russian nuclear weapons have been transferred to belarus. how concerning is that? >> i don't think it makes an enormous difference. he's trying to justify his unusually close relationship with putin and with russia.

in a sense, he's saying well, we have nuclear weapons now whereas ukraine had to give them up and is unprotected by nuclear weapons. i can't imagine that turkmenistan or kyrgyzstan or other countries on the periphery of russia are going to rush to get a nuclear weapons deal like belarus'. so i don't take that too seriously. >> let's talk about something that is serious. the conversations going on around nato. secretary blinken is there now. which hopes to follow finland into nato. that's been held up by president erdogan who just got another term in turkey. what does his re-election mean for finland and nato? >> well, we have to see. erdogan was using the rejection of finland as an election

campaign issue. now he's in a sense freer to accept sweden. i think for nato, the idea that erdogan would permanently block sweden would be intolerable. pressure on erdogan would be enormous and i think sweden will be in nato. i think the larger question is what is turkey's role in nato? as erdogan begins another five years. is there going to be an attempt to normalize what has become a very, very contentious relationship. all sorts of issues between nato countries and turkey. turkey's been trying to in effect walk a middle path between russia and ukraine in the war. is that going to be tolerable to nato as the war goes forward? so i think we'll have a period now where people try to figure out what does normalization mean. i would strongly effect the part of normalization will be sweden's final admission to nato. >> david ignatius, always good to have you on the program.

thank you. north korea says it plans to launch its first military spy satellite next month. an effort to monitor u.s. activities in the region. these are new satellite images of the launch site. it has been condemned by rivals as a violation of a ban on testing ballistic missile tech. japan has alerted its coast guard to shoot down the satellite if it enters japanese territory. that comes after the u.s. conducted drills near the korean border marking 70 years since the beginning of their alliance. and china launched its first civilian astronaut into space today. it's a big step toward reaching its goal of landing on the moon by the end of the decade. a crew of three blasted off for a five-month mission. beijing built the base after being excluded from the international space station mainly because u.s. concerns over the link between the chinese military and the space program. once the iss ends operations in

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so the 2024 race is reportedly about to get even more crowded. "the new york times" reports that chris christie's entry into the gop presidential race is imminent and while his candidacy may be a long shot, the former new jersey governor who has been a vocal critic of donald trump, does have the potential to have a big effect on the dynamics of the race. elise jordan is back with us and vaughn hillyard joins me here. so the times reports that look, he's put together a team. his superpac is ready to go. what are you hearing? >> right. he has a big staple of allies. he also ran a presidential campaign and saw it through new hampshire. there's a team behind him. look at the statement from the head of the superpac backing his potential bid. writing in part brian jones says quote -- of course, there are

some fact that is we have to hit at and the obstacles he faces when we put forward his 2016 presidential campaign, he came in tenth place in iowa. in sixth place in new hampshire where he had vested his time and his resources there. he finished behind john kasich. finished behind jeb bush and you'll remember right before super tuesday in 2016, after he dropped out, marco rubio was still in the race. john kasich was still in the race. ted cruz was still in the race. chris christie appeared on stage next to donald trump. he was really that first credible voice that endorsed the would be nominee. ultimately on that tuesday, donald trump won seven states and really became the clear front-runner for the nomination. now he says he's looking to do justice and making sure donald trump is up again. >> elise, while desantis is pointing out the differences with trump on disney and scott is being this nice guy, that is

not chris christie. i want to play what he said a few weeks ago after trump denied he knew e. jean carroll. >> his response was ridiculous, that he didn't even know the woman. how many coincidences are we going to have? he must be the unluckiest sob in the world. people he's never met before are able to convince the jury he sexually abused him. if he's this unlucky, none of this has happened, we don't want a guy that's unlucky as president either. >> could he sort of pressure the other candidates? >> i think that chris christie's entry into the race is note bl because he's the only candidate who's been willing to actually attack donald trump and really attack him. not just you know, lukewarm tepid trying to avoid alienating

a trump base. chris christie has a willingness to go there and do it and it seems personal. you look at how the day after the election 2022, chris christie really broke strongly with donald trump over his election denial and hasn't gone back. he's been one of the few former allies who's been consistent in that way and not trying to tepidly come back in a way that doesn't alienate. so i think it's interesting. we get to see authentic chris christie. that's going to be pretty entertaining. >> yeah. "the new york times" opinion piece argues the race needs a brawler like christie. they write, quote, to pull this off, mr. christie would need to go all in on his no nonsense, in your face, jersey tough guy schtick. if he could go bully to bully

with the former president, things could get interesting for the first time ever. what do you expect if they go face-to-face? we don't know but they could end up on a debate stage together and chris christie, i think, learned a lot from the last time around. >> chris christie is a good debater and he shows that he has, he doesn't hold back when he's right standing beside someone on the stage. we saw what happened to marco rubio as he amputated all his limbs on live television. >> can you hold on a second because i think they're able to pull that for us. >> want the people at home to think about this. that's what washington, d.c. does. the drive by shoot at the beginning with incorrect and incomplete information and then the memorized 25 second speech that is exactly what his advisers gave him. see, marco, marco, the thing is

this. when you're president of the united states, when you're governor of a state, the memorized 30-second speech where you talk about how great america is at the end of it doesn't solve one problem for one person. >> that, elise, i think, is the new jersey tough guy that article is talking about. >> exactly. it's the kind of language that trump knows how to speak, too. chris christie can speak the northeastern tough guy language. and they have such a history. they have a remarkable history with christie going in first for donald trump after he dropped from the race back in 2016 then this pretty huge break that they haven't mended. so to watch chris christie go full frontal with donald trump, i can't wait and i'm going to get some popcorn. >> christie said in new hampshire he was a voter there and they made a strategic error by not directing their fire at donald trump because they thought they were going to

outlast the other guy. he said if he were to jump in the race, which it's looking like he's going to do, he wouldn't make that same mistake again. >> he learns. elise, vaughn, thank you both. it might look like chicago on st. patrick's day, but actually, it's venice's grand canal. what caused the unusual and mysterious neon green patch to appear in the water? the latest on the investigation, next. e latest on the investigat, next - psst! susan! with paycom, employees do their own payroll. - what's paycom? a magic payroll genie? - it's a payroll app. - payroll is way too complicated for the average person. - paycom guides them through it. missing or duplicate punches, pending expenses, unapproved pto, on and on. - why would employees wanna do all that?

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a frightening scene in nova scotia province where video shows a family driving through flames to escape a wildfire in halifax. yesterday, more than 16,000 people were forced to evacuate in that area. crews say the fires have burned through more than 25,000 acres and damaged at least 200 homes. canadian prime minister justin trudeau calls the wildfires incredibly serious and is promising federal support. a mystery in venice, italy, is now under investigation after a long stretch of the city's famous grand canal waters turned a bright shade of green. nbc's chief international correspondent, keir simmons, is there with more. what do we know about this point? >> reporter: from beautiful venice on what has to be the assignment of the year. they have a forensic investigation on the way. they're looking at cctv to try to figure out how come this

water was turned green. it's not green any longer but the setting, the mystery is like something from a who done it. it appeared sunday in the grand canal. soon, images began to show up on social media filmed by tourists. stunned by the unexplained brightly colored stain in the water. we arrived early this morning. >> yes, all there. >> reporter: our water taxi captain had seen the strange green water. >> color, yes, yes. >> reporter: have you ever seen the water in venice that color? >> never. >> reporter: now there's a police investigation and wild speculation. we just came under the realto

bridge. it's disappeared. its appearance in the water still a mystery. officials say the green color was caused by a harmless chemical. it seemed like there was so much of it. does that suggest someone did it deliberately? the investigators are looking everywhere. all high pot cease are open. in 1968, an artist with an environmental message threw green dye into the canal and this month, climate activists turned the fountain black. in milan, they threw paint at a statue and in 2022, oil activists threw soup at a van gogh masterpiece. they're in venice for their wedding anniversary. >> in chicago, they pour green in the river purposely to celebrate st. patrick's day. >> but it's not st. patrick's

day. during covid, it was ghost town. the water so clean, jellyfish appeared but nothing like this has been seen for decades and so far, there's no explanation. now, some folks here because it didn't do harm think it's fun. others think it was a form of vandalism. the chemical used is used normally to look for leaks in pipes so it could have been an accident. so far, we don't know who did it. >> thank you for that. moments ago, we got an update on the shooting that left nine people hurt in hollywood, florida. the mayor says the two people they've arrested are not residents of the city but other cities in south florida and then he added this. >> think about it. it's pretty crazy, right? in broad daylight in the middle of a holiday weekend with thousands of people for people to come in and suddenly start shooting at each other in broad daylight. who does that?

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and now to a battle in the senate over california senator dianne feinstein's seat. that battle has devolved into an ugly proxy war between the three democrats vying to replace her. it comes over her health and her reliance on aides since she returned to the hill after a month long absence. i'm going to bring in alex who has been covering this. also with us, jim messina, white house deputy chief of staff under president obama and campaign manager behind his 2012

re-election. so alex, talk about the concern over dianne feinstein, how it's escalated and what happens now. >> yeah, well i think this is really driven by her condition or at least the perceptions of it. she's returned to work back on capitol hill but she's clearly diminished. she's in a wheelchair. she travels with aides who keep her away from reporters. her senate colleagues, many of them, said they haven't spoken to her yet. and there have been numerous reports she appears confused at the situation. a report in "the new york times" today saying she was unclear why vice president kamala harris was there to cast a tie breaking vote. and there was a poll out last week that showed two-thirds of california voters don't think she's fit for office. just 27% want her to stay. so there's a lot of questions about her condition. her ability to serve. she has said she will not run for re-election but wants to

serve out the remainder of her time through next year. a lot of democrats want her to step down sooner. if she does, that would require governor newsom to fill the seat which puts him in a tough situation because you have a three-way primary to replace her and anything he does will be seen as tipping the scale. we're lock nd this ugly fight over the seat. >> jim, this is a tough one. an icon who wants to complete her term. do you believe that ultimately no one can or should force her hand? talk about the considerations for people of influence here including the governor? >> i believe it's up to her. she was reflected. it's her decision. he's not going to force her hand. you don't hear people talking about a bunch of older male senators. people picking on just this

absolute historic woman. only the second open senate seat in california in 30 years and you have three high profile democrats running. the state where joe biden beat donald trump by 29%. a very blue democratic state and they have a general primary rule. you have three heavy weights trying to figure out do i appeal to the base or get ready for a general election where there will be more moderate voters up for grabs. the politics are incredibly interesting. >> i don't think there's any doubt about that. the governor said if she would vacate her seat, he would appoint a black woman.

>> my former boss used to say the bad thing about appointment, you make a bunch of people very angry and so if i'm him, i don't want anything to do with this appointment. i want a real primary. he doesn't want in the middle of this and he's happy to have a very big contested primary with three candidates who are all really good and would be good united states senators. >> and fair to say, we've only got 30 seconds, the best for any future presidential campaign he might run to avoid this all together. >> absolutely. they have a governor who wants to be the president of the united states some day. and what you don't want to do is start pissing off your state democrats you need to consolidate behind you when you run for president in five years. >> basic rule of politics. thanks for coming on the program. and that's going to do it for us this hour. join us every weekday 1:00 to

3:00 p.m. eastern. i'll be hosting the show live from washington, d.c. the rest of the week as the debt limit fight heats up. our coverage continues with katy tur reports right now. good to be with you. the rules committee is just sitting down right now to vote on whether to move the debt deal to the floor. it is not a sure thing. president biden and speaker mccarthy came to an agreement over the weekend and like any good compromise, both men have said no one gets everything they want. but is everyone getting enough of what they want to make that deal acceptable. hard liners in both parties say no. here was the freedom caucus today. >> absolutely and completely unacceptable. trillions and trillions of dollars in debt for