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to say whether or not there's anything actually unusual here, and whether there's anything that even goes beyond human physics. >> within the last year, congress has held two hearings on ufos and separate from nasa, the pentagon has created an apartment, all domain anomaly resolution office to study unexplained sightings. >> this is a newly released video. you'll notice there are two dots moving back and forth. >> reporter: and even with a growing focus on the unknown, nasa cautions. >> there's no guarantee that all sightings will be explained. >> reporter: gadi schwartz, nbc news. >> that does it for us this hour. "katy tur reports" starts right now. good to be with you, i'm katy tur. there's new reporting that could be a big help to the special counsel in its investigation into donald trump. a source directly familiar tells
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nbc news that jack smith has a tape of donald trump talking about a classified document he took with him from the white house. an audio recording of the former president talking to aides about iran, and a document he knew was classified. detailing a potential u.s. attack. cnn reports that according to their sources trump allegedly acknowledged that its classification limited his ability to share it. nbc news has not heard the recording but our source tells us that it was played during grand jury testimony. donald trump has denied any wrong doing. ken dilanian is with us to explain what we know. andrew weissmann is here to explain the significance. and vaughn hillyard will join us in just a moment from the campaign trail with how things are going on the road as donald trump tries to block out ron desantis. what exactly are the two men saying or not saying about this new reporting? joining me now is nbc news
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justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. so, ken, what do we know? >> a source directly familiar with the matter told us this tape was a meeting of a july 2021 at donald trump's residence there, talking in an autobiography of his former chief of staff, mark meadows, the subject of iran came up. he mentioned a document he acknowledged was secret, we are told, that discussed military options for striking iran, so this would be the first time we've heard of donald trump acknowledged possessing classified information, and it would be on tape, and something the prosecutors are interested in. we're told they played it in grand jury testimony, and obviously deeply significant because it under cuts trump's argument that he declassified all the material he took from the white house, but more important than that, it suggests
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an intentionality, a guilty knowledge, if you will, that he knew there was a document he had that was secret. remember, he was not president anymore. he did not have a security clearance. had no authorization to have classified documents at this point. >> when did this happen? when was this recording made and what was it recording? >> we're told it was july 2001, -- 2021 an autobiography for mark meadows, there were aides on the call talking to trump about things that happened during his presidency. >> thank you very much. let's bring in andrew weissmann, former senior member of the mueller probe. andrew is also an nbc news legal analyst. having donald trump on tape say, yes, i've got a classified document, and yes, i have limited ability to show it to you, before the government went
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in to get those documents, before they were even asking for them, how significant is that if that's true? >> if it is true, it is the proverbial smoking gun. i mean, this case is about knowingly and intentionally retaining classified information. and it may also be about obstruction of justice. so if you have the defendant on tape confessing that, if you are a prosecutor, there's nothing better, and as we know, donald trump likes to denigrate anybody and everyone who testifies against him, but here will be his own words. so that is really a strong as you can get. one question i have about this is whether the document that he refers to was actually returned by him to the archives or produced by his counsel pursuant to the subpoena, meaning is it
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going to have additional significance because it's a document that actually was not returned by donald trump as it was required to be. so it could be also a form of obstruction, if it wasn't. >> so when we say smoking gun, i want to get a little bit more from you on that because i've heard that term use bid legal analysts about all sorts of things regarding donald trump over the years, including the investigation that you were working on, and i'm sure you must have been, if you saw any of it, scratching your head at times. if you can, just give us a little bit more meat on the bones in terms of smoking gun, and do you think that if this is true that there is any possibility of donald trump not being indicted by the special counsel? >> sure, both great questions. so for those who know me, i really try to avoid hyperbole, so by saying smoking gun, i really mean it. usually you build a case with
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lots of inferential evidences, you get witnesses to testify, but they can be attacked by faulty motive, faulty memory, and all ways that you can challenge them, which defense attorneys are entitled to and should do. when you have a tape recording of a defendant saying i have a classified document in my possession at a time it's illegal to knowingly and intentionally have that document, you play to the jury, one of the first things you do is tell the jury about it in opening and you play it, and then that's not the only evidence. there's lots of other corroborating evidence, for instance, the search where all of these documents were found at his home. and so this is really about a strong a piece of evidence as you can get if you're a prosecutor. the defendant talking about illegal possession. to your second point, which is will this be charged, i cannot imagine, so we did a huge deep dive, as part of just security
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into all of the known department of justice cases where there was sort of like crimes, and there are numerous people who have been prosecuted for doing things that are far less egregious, and remember, the department of justice has a particular interest in making sure that classified documents stay in the government, and are not intentionally taken outside of the government. and many many people have been prosecuted for far less, and that's the reason i find it really inconceivable that he would not be charged because frankly, i think the rule of law requires it. if he is going to be treated the same as anyone else who did the same thing, then all you have to do is look at what the department of justice has done in cases that frankly are far less egregious, and they have been charged, so i really think this is a question of when, not a question of if. >> so i think -- i wonder if it's going to come down to the
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way he said this, the words that he used because when we've heard donald trump talk about potential crimes in the past, the words he uses are very specific, and they're a bit squishy, and i haven't heard this call, so i'm not entirely sure exactly which words he used, but is there something that he could say that would maybe let him get out of something like this, where it would not be a smoking gun, perhaps a gun, but maybe not one that was smoking? >> so, you know, people had speculated that he may have just been lying, in other words that he made this all up, that he didn't actually have this document in his possession, that he was just bluffing, and i think that obviously would fall into the category of a gun but not a smoking gun because it still would be helpful to the prosecution because it would show that he knew that it was improper to have it because the reporting is that he said this
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is secret so i can't share the contents with you, so it goes to his state of mind, and so it would be relevant that he understood that not all documents were declassified just because he possessed them, that he knew he wasn't supposed to have them and could share them. there could be ways the government could use it. the reporting is that there is such a document, and that obviously is something that jack smith is going to know for sure even though we do not know that yet. >> do you have a sense of when this indictment or decision on indictment, whether to charge or not might come down? >> so, you know, the speculation game of when is a hard one, but this is what i will say on that. jack smith is a very aggressive, hard charging, experienced prosecutor. it is really inconceivable to me that he is not going to feel an enormous amount of pressure to bring this case when it's ready
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and to not dilly daly. one of the phrases, he and i were both in the eastern district is to not let the perfect be the enemy of the good, meaning that when the case is ready, you bring it, there's always a reason to delay, to think you might be able to get more. this case seemed so strong that i can see jack smith at this point just based on public reporting thinking that we're ready to go. so, you know, again, it's hard to predict, but i would think we're talking about a matter of days, not months. >> so do you think there's conversations being had also within that office about the campaign? i mean, we're getting into the summer of 2023, and that's when things start kicking up. they begin to start kicking up in the campaign race. we're going to get debates at the end of the summer. do you think that's a conversation that's going to be had. we've got to get this done sooner rather than later? >> i don't know if it's being explicitly discussed but i think that it's hard to imagine that
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prosecutors and that any judge who gets this case, once indicted is not going to be thinking about their obligation to the american public to have this tried and have the evidence presented, whatever the result of the jury is, so that the american public has that information prior to voting. and i think that's something if they're not discussing it, i do think that sense of obligation to the public to have this aired and have a jury decide it would be fair, frankly, to donald trump, and, you know, if there were to be an acquittal, it would be fair to the american public that they see the evidence and can weigh that in their decision. so i do think that is something that at the very least is going to be in the back of the minds of a lot of people in the court system and in the prosecution. >> andrew weissmann, i got lucky today, i got to ask you double the number of questions i usually do because we had
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technical difficulties with vaughn hillyard, we're sorry to vaughn, but thank you, andrew, for lending everything that's going on inside that very smart head of yours. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, what the debt deal does that no one is talking about, and what speaker mccarthy says he wants to get out of democrats next. i'll ask assistant democratic leader jim clyburn what he thinks about that. there he is. plus, cracks in the walls, no heat, faulty plumbing, what residents of that iowa building said they were told when they complained about problems before it collapsed. we're back in 60 seconds. it collapsed we're back in 60 seconds this isn't charmin! no wonder i don't feel as clean. here's charmin ultra strong. ahhh! my bottom's been saved! with its diamond weave texture, charmin ultra strong cleans better with fewer sheets and less effort. enjoy the go with charmin. - this is our premium platinum coverage map and this is consumer cellular's map. - i don't see the difference, do you? - well, that one's purple.
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quickly. chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell have expressed they want to bring the bill to a vote by today. in order to do so, they need all 100 senators on board. joining me now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. there are a number of senators who don't like this bill at all. will they vote yes to move it to the floor? >> reporter: it looks as though we're headed in the direction of an agreement where that would take place. we could find out in the next 45 minutes or so. basically what's happening right now is behind closed doors, senator leaders are negotiating with some of the senators that aren't big fans of the bill to give them the opportunity to offer amendments on the floor that can then be debated and voted upon in exchange for reducing the amount of time that this bill needs to essentially preserve in the united states senate. now, it's important to point out, though, that none of these amendments can pass. they are actually hopefully going to fail if you're a member of senate leadership.
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if even one passes, the entire bill is going to have to go back to the house, and that will mean that congress will blow through the deadline on monday, and the country will likely default. so they seem pretty confident they're going to be able to pull off this very narrow window that they need to jump through, but that process still playing out over the next couple of hours before we see a plan ahead. but it is very possible they could vote on this sometime tonight. >> there are still rumblings about speaker mccarthy, and what might happen to him in the coming weeks. a lot of frustration among conservatives in the house republican conference about this deal. they don't like that it's a compromise at all. anything else you're hearing about that? >> reporter: yeah, you know, katy, i think i would take a look at that from maybe the other perspective. i don't think there is any doubt that there is a group of very loud conservative republicans that are very unhappy with kevin mccarthy. it's maybe anywhere from 25 to
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30 of them, but there were 149 republicans who voted yes for this bill. that's an overwhelming number, and then you add in the other 170 some democrats who voted for it, and you're seeing a bill pass the united states house of representatives with 300 votes. that's something that in the modern congress, in this age of hyper partisanship that we never see happen with a relatively controversial piece of legislation. so if anything, i think kevin mccarthy has proven his critics wrong. he's been able to marshal all of these different factions to get a very difficult piece of legislation to the united states senate and perhaps to the president's desk, and yes, even one member could say kevin mccarthy, we want to call your speakership into question, bring up a vote, and they'll go through that whole process again, but it will likely end up the same way that it did in january. because while these conservatives may not be happy with kevin mccarthy, they do not have an alternative speaker candidate that can get the necessary 218 votes, so a lot of this is just theater.
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it's going to be them complaining about the process. they can be angry, but the practical reality is that kevin mccarthy did his job, and he's unlikely to be removed from the speakership anytime soon. >> he delivered all the votes he said he would and then some. ryan nobles, thank you very much. and joining me now is assistant democratic leader, south carolina democratic congressman, jim clyburn. congressman, thank you very much. mr. assistant leader, i appreciate it. how do you feel about this deal? do you think it's a good one? >> i do. i think it's a very good one. you know, when you've got as many votes as this bill has gotten and you've had as much controversy as this process has had, and you reach common ground, that's what it's all about. two different factors coming together, finding common ground, and passing a piece of legislation that's going to do good for the country. i feel good about it. >> there's some analysis from the "times" that says that this
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deal looks on paper like that's it. you know, it's just one big debt deal, but in reality, in order to get all of the cuts that the deal promises, other votes will need to be taken, other bills and amendments will need to be had. can you explain what's going on? was everything not voted on last night that was agreed to between speaker mccarthy and president biden? >> oh, a lot of what got agreed to in the reservation last night will require additional action. for instance, you're looking at the issues revolving around food stamps or s.n.a.p. programs. we're now taking up the farm bill. the farm bill is going to be reauthorized this year. so all of that stuff is in the farm bill. and so we will be going through a process of trying to see how it all shakes out. so, yes, that's true. a lot of this during the process
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will be revisited time and time again. but the thing about this bill is it's a process, because i don't think we should have it. but it's a process that we go through, you know, to lift the debt ceiling so that we can pay our bills. and that way we keep the country moving forward. >> the cbo's analysis says that this is actually going to give more money to s.n.a.p. benefits, more people will be qualified for those benefits. there's also some analysis about how a lot of the spending that was cut from discretionary areas the democrats like is actually getting put back in in other ways through the relabeling of some of that funding, stuff that would be called discretionary is now being called emergency, but emergency not just for emergencies, emergency for whoever you want to use it. so it seems like, when you dig
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into this bill, that a lot of the money that was cut wasn't actually cut after all. am i wrong to -- is that the wrong way to understand it? >> no, it's not the wrong way to understand it. i think that you're probably right about some of that. for instance, if you look at the s.n.a.p. programs, although we were increasing the work requirements from 49 up to 54, we were also adding in some exemptions for the homeless, for people who are coming out of situations that need to get reestablished, and so, yes, i know what the cbo said, and i kind of agree with the cbo, and when i was talking about this earlier, before we ever voted, it's one of the issues that i kept raising that we'll look at this, see how many veterans,
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100,000 veterans could not get this before will now be brought into it. a lot of homeless people will be brought into it, and a lot of people who are trying to get reestablished in their lives, are redefined so they can come into it. some of that is true, but that's the compassion that you get from joe biden. joe biden is very compassionate about the governmental processes and how they should work for people who are less fortunate than some others, and that's what we came up with, and that's one of the things i feel so good about when i think about joe biden. >> so i wonder if we're going to hear more democrats saying what a win this was. i want to play something from speaker mccarthy who says this will allow him to extract more out of the democrats. >> i think it's wonderful they
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voted for it because they are now on record, so they can't sit there and yell this isn't good. so i'll bring something back tomorrow, let's get the rest of the irs agents, let's get the rest of the work requirements, let's cut more because we are in a big debt. this is fabulous. this is one of the best nights i've ever been here. i thought it would be hard. i thought it would be almost impossible to get to 218. there's a whole new day here. >> he's really selling it for himself. what's your response? >> theater. that's fine. i'm glad to know we had that kind of upset. because i always say you cannot reach good legislation unless you have a good atmosphere within which to work, so he seemed to be describing for me the kind of atmosphere we all need to get things done for the american people. to me, the winners here are the
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country, and our people. we have put people over politics. they are the winners here. and we will worry about all this other stuff later on. >> it's nice to see people getting along. i appreciate it. congressman jim clyburn, thank you so much for joining us. appreciate your time. >> thank you for having me. this just in, the president was speaking at the air force graduation and during the ceremony he tripped and fell. secret service agents and an air force official came to the president's aid. you can see it here. the white house communications director said the president is fine. joining me now is nbc news producer gary grunbach, tell us what happened. >> reporter: there's a hailstorm. bare with me. president biden was on stage for almost four hours. he shook the hands of 921 of the
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cadets graduating here from the air force academy, and he was then turning around after shaking the last person's hand, and ended up tripping on a number of sandbags, you may be able to see on the stage behind me. turned around, tripped, fell on to the ground. picked up quickly by secret service agents on the stage, and walked on his own power to his seat for the rest of the ceremony. he then walked to the motorcade when they were leaving just behind me, actually jogging to the motorcade, it appears he's fine. the white house communications director tweeted as much. and this is a speech that president biden gave that was very congratulatory but also talking about the importance of what these graduates are doing, right. they are serving the country, and he said america is just as proud of them as he is, and these are members of the air force and 93 members of the space force here. so he was on stage for about four hours, gave about a 30 minute speech and just at the
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end of shaking the last of the 921 cadets hands, ended up tripping and falling. the white house says they're fine. >> gary grumbach, thank you very much. new concerns within the fbi that congress is trying to abuse access to the agency for political gain. plus, part two of our nbc news exclusive. richard engel shows us how russia's wagner group is trying to form a pirate empire across africa. a pirate empire across africa i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. thanks to skyrizi, i'm on my way with clearer skin. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine, or plan to. nothing on my skin means everything! ♪ nothing is everything ♪ ask your dermatologist about skyrizi. learn how abbvie could help you save.
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house oversight chair james comer says he has a memo from an fbi source who alleges he has information about crimes, than president biden committed when he was vice president. two sources within the fbi tell nbc news they are deeply concerned about that memo because it could risk the lives of sources and violate long standing rules about not sharing raw investigative information,
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and that they are worried congress will use baseless claims against a political candidate to keep on demanding records. potentially using it as a tactic to dirty up the other side. back with me is nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. so, ken, explain what's going on here. >> and to be clear, katy, the fbi yesterday offered comer and charles grassley an opportunity to review the document at fbi headquarters. they both said they have seen it, and they are demanding a copy of it. that's what concerns people inside the law enforcement community. the fbi generally does not turn over this kind of raw intelligence or law enforcement information to congress because as you said very well in the intro, one of the real risks here is anybody can make an allegation to the fbi. in this case, it's an allegation, by the way, that joe biden took a $5 million bribe to influence policy when he was vice president. if there was any corroboration to that, he would have been
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charged with a crime. obviously he has not been. nonetheless, there are lots of files like that inside the fbi that any one of which when made public could be very damaging to the people that are subjects of this information, and also to the general notion that they need to protect their confidential sources and that their investigative information is law enforcement sensitive and shouldn't be shared. that's what they're worried about. the republicans in congress are demanding this document, and saying they will hold fbi director christopher wray in contempt of congress and make a criminal referral. >> ken, thank you very much for coming back and giving us that story, appreciate it. officials believe three people are trapped inside an apartment building that residents complained about for years. the city interacted with the property and owner 145 times in the past three years before the davenport, iowa, building
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partially collapsed over the weekend. it confirms nbc news reporting that former and recent tenants told management repeatedly there were major problems. a local contractor tried to warn workers making repairs on the building for days before the 116-year-old structure collapsed telling them to quote get away, you're going to die. joining me now from davenport is nbc news correspondent maggie vespa. so maggie, get into that for me. that a contractor was warning people who were working on the building, what did he know? >> reporter: yeah, so this man's name is ryan shaffer, he first spoke out on facebook and to the local paper. he talked to nbc's shaq brewster, in february he put in a bid to do the repairs that were needed on this building, but he says his bid was not accepted. he says that the owner andrew wold took a cheaper bid in part because he said he wanted
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shaffer to do the work of shoring the building, while bricks were being replaced. this is ryan shaffer's story. we have been not been able to reach andrew wold. cut to the past weekend he had been watching work happen on the building and he started to see brick walls bowing out. some of the window frames were collapsing and looked uneven and windows started to shatter, and then he says once the outward bricks started to fall, you could see the inner brick work starting to kind of -- the way he says the bricks were sandwiching in between each other, a sign that the building or parts of it are starting to sink, and he told the workers, not his workers working on the building, he said, quote, get away, you're going to die. he also tried to tell them to evacuate the building, to contact city officials, which he says they tried to do, but he
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says basically no one was listening at the time, and this was his worst fear come to fruition. an incredible story, and again, that is his story. we're asking city officials and andrew wold about this as well. kind of another red flag. people here say wish would have been listened to or heeded more seriously before this catastrophe happened on sunday. >> how many people are still unaccounted for? >> reporter: they believe three. basically what happened, a couple of days ago, city officials told us unfortunately they believe they may be working with an outdated tenants list. we have five unaccounted for, two may be in the rubble. since then they have tracked down two of the five who no longer live in the building. three remain. two we know about, ryan hitchcock, ryan colvin, officials believe they're in the rubble. a third one, basically he doesn't have family, so they haven't been able to track down where loved ones think he was. they believe he did live here.
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it is likely he was home in one of the destroyed apartments when this collapsed. thousand we're looking at three possibly buried in that rubble. >> and just a few days ago, i was talking about how cadaver dogs had gone over the rubble and not had any hits. lots of questions about what's going on out there. maggie vespa, thank you very much. and coming up next, part two of our nbc news exclusive, half a billion dollars of natural resources taken each year from the central african republic by russia's wagner group. where is all of that going. plus, what happened when matt gaetz questioned the pentagon about an approved drag show celebrating pride month at a nevada air force base. at a nedava air force base. this is sadie. she's on verizon. the network she can count on. and now she's got myplan. the game changing new plan that lets her pick exactly what she wants, and save on every perk. sadie's getting her plan ready for a big trip. travel pass, on. nice iphone 14 pro! cute couple. trips don't last forever. neither does summer love. so, sadie's moving on. apple music? check. introducing myplan. the first and only unlimited
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yesterday, we showed you how russia's wagner group is extracting gold where timber and blood diamonds from the central african republic to help fund its war effort in ukraine. now in part 2, chief foreign correspondent richard engel shows us how they're keeping control over the region and what they're doing to try to expand, attempting to form a, as richard reports, pirate empire across africa. >> this is our second look at the activities of russian mercenaries from the wagner group in the impoverished central african republic. the mercenaries treat the country like a home base and piggy back. they are expanding across africa.
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we are -- children are starving. is being exploited by russian mercenaries from the wagner group who now effectively run the country. in exchange for propping up the president and fighting rebels, wagner has taken hold of valuable minds, and according to diplomats, is extracting a half a billion dollars a year in gold, rare timber, and blood diamonds. the profits are extremely hard to trace. two western diplomats tell nbc news wagner helicopters fly right to the mine sites, collect the diamonds and mix them with documented stones and send them to jewel hubs in the united arab emirates, israel and belgium, from there, they could end up on your wedding ring. gold is even easier, once melted down into bars, it's nearly impossible to track. wagner operates openly.
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the united states maintains a small embassy. i went to see the ambassador. >> now, the united states position on the wagner group is very clear. the wagner group is a transnational criminal organization, and being instructed by a criminal organization is not a recipe for success. >> reporter: nbc news has interviewed witnesses and reviewed testimony from the investigative group, the century, claiming wagner mercenaries use violence, including rape, murder and torture to scare residents away from the mines. i met one of the few local activists speaking out. has any wagner fighter been held accountable for anything in this country? >> never, never. >> reporter: never? >> so an example of that, and this is one of the problems. >> reporter: the government here refuses to accept issues. a top adviser to the president
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and a big man here in every sense. >> wagner is bad in the other country, but in our country, they are good. they kill rebels. they bring to us real democracy in this country. >> reporter: they bring you peace and quiet? >> peace and quiet. >> reporter: and what about all the resources they take? >> it is fake news from western opinion. >> reporter: with no pushback, wagner has discovered trading protection from minerals in africa is a lucrative business, and it's expanding. u.s. government and military officials tell nbc news wagner has spread from its base here to more than a dozen countries, from mali to sudan. attempting to form a pirate empire across africa. the wagner group is finding it relatively easy to operate in africa. the united states does not have
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a large presence there, and european countries, especially france are pulling back, creating a vacuum that wagner seems happy to fill. >> richard engel, thank you very much. coming up, what happened when an air force base in nevada planned a drag show to celebrate pride month. to celebrate pride month. type 2 diabetes? discover the power of 3 in the ozempic® tri-zone. ♪ (oh, oh, oh, ozempic®!) ♪ in my ozempic® tri-zone, i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight.
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has learned that senior defense department leaders stepped in to shut down an approved drag show at a nevada air force base. a u.s. official and a defense official tell nbc news that when the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general mark milley was informed about the event earlier this week, he became visibly angry. joining me now is nbc news pentagon correspondent, courtney kube, what's the deal with that, why did he become visibly angry? >> reporter: this is something general milley and lloyd austin have been getting questions about, from house republicans, and in particular, house republican matt gaetz. he started questioning them several months ago about these drag shows that he says were occurring on several military installations. he named them off and in this testimony, secretary austin and mark milley were surprised these
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were occurring. general milley said he was not aware of these events but would not support them. and general austin said it would be against policy to fund events like this. fast forward to this week, the air force, the base commander approved this event. when it was briefed to the pentagon, secretary austin, and general milley said they could not use dod funds to fund this event. it turns out it was going to be privately funded but it still would be held on the installation and on the base. because of that, they said it either had to be cancelled had to either be cancelled and moved offbase. it's supposed to occur today, katy. it's no longer going to occur. this wouldn't be the first time that nellis would have held one of these drag events in honor of pride month. the first one was two years ago in 2021. it went on as planned then. but there's been increasing pressure, as i said from members of congress, particularly rem can members of congress, it
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we've all heard it at one point, if you see something, say something. but does anyone want to be the chicken little when pointing out what used to be called ufos, drone, or spy balloon or something from other galaxy? they're now being all l called the uaps, unidentified aerial phenomena. in recently there hasn't been a framework to openly discuss or even have quality data on uaps. nbc news correspondent and host gadi schwartz shows us what has changing. >> this is a spherical orb, metallic in the middle east, 2022. >> reporter: in a historic
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public first meeting wednesday, nasa scientists dug into the other world subufos. in the four-hour meeting, the panelists commissioned in june 2022, analyzed and spoke about the more than 800 cases of uaps they're looking into. >> got it! >> reporter: main finding, the need to stop making fun of ufo research. more importantly to start collecting better data on the far-out subject. >> without sufficient data we're unable to reach defendable conclusions and meet the high scientific standards we set for resolution. >> reporter: over the last year the panel has created a road map for nasa to categorize and for what they call unidentified anomalous phenomena. while some can be explained up to 5% of cases remain a mystery. >> in order to do science, we got to get our own data. >> reporter: an astrophysicist.
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>> step one, getting data. step two, maybe we need an answer. >> we need to start watching the skies, then we'll number a position, you know, to begin to say whether or not there's anything actually unusual here. and whether there's anything that even goes beyond human physics. >> reporter: within the last year, congress has held two hearings on ufos. and separate from nasa, the pentagon has created a department the all-domain anomaly resolution office to study unexplained sightings. >> this is a newly released video. you'll notice there are two dots moving back and forth. >> reporter: and even with the growing focus on the unknown, nasa cautions -- >> there's no guarantee that all sightings will be explained. >> joining me now is nbc news senior politics reporter alex rawls. he's not gadi schwartz, but has
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information on how there's a support group being formed to help. you tell me, it can be hard to report it to say, hey, i saw a ufo? >> yeah, absolutely, katy, as passengers, we've been told if you see something, say something. but planes have no -- these kind of fringy civilian -- afraid of being less of a promotion. fighter pilots. it's one of the first military pilots to come forward and speak publicly about his experience with what we're now calling uaps. there's video of it. and he wants this group to be a hub and an advocate for other pilot, both commercial and military, that he says will help keep all of us in the air safe.
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since, you know, this isn't just aliens, or mostly about aliens. there's just way more stuff in the skies these days. just a couple months ago we shot down a spy balloon and two other objects that we don't know exactly what those are. there's a huge proliferation of drones. experts say our air defense systems aren't looking for that stuff. they're designed to look for soviet icbms. we're taking the report seriously, empowering pilots and looking into them, so folks like nasa can actually investigate what this is. and hopefully, we don't have any national security threats. >> if you see something, say something, ryan graves, this man you spoke, to the active military pilot, the first guy to come forward before congress. he said this, most pilots either have seen something they can't explain or know someone who has. but in recently most would not talk about it. or they'd only talk about it in
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hush tones or private settings for fear of being mocked or jeopardizing their career growth. obviously, we don't understand that, what about airline passengers looking out the window. they're not as trained. their eyes aren't as trained and see see something and asked to get involved as well. >> this is where we focus on pilots because they're more trained, they're professional, they're up in the sky every day all day. they know what should be there and what shouldn't be there. and other pilots, astronauts, former head of noaa, and on the board side, i think it's time that everyone is taking it interesting. >> alex, thank you very much. that's going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪♪ hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. there is very good reason why people like our good friend andrew weima a

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