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times. as we've been reporting, companies like target, bud light and even chick-fil-a faced backlash for simply showing support for the community. after years of progress, the question is, why exactly is this happening now? here's glaad president sarah kate ellis on morning joe. >> -- that's what we are seeing right now. as more people who understand who transgender and gender nonconforming folks are, there's a snap back. and it's a small minority of people. americans are welcoming. americans believe inequality. americans believe that everyone should live the life they love. and so, i think this is a very small group of people with an outsized voice in a moment that is being fed by politicians. i mean, these politicians are building their careers, and our fundraising off the backs of lgbtq folks right now.
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>> that overwhelming support ellis spoke about can be seen in glaad's a report, showing supermajorities supporting acceptance, freedom and equal rights for the community. and i've got a sinking thinking that the lgbtq community will not let a small hateful group of people ruin their pride this month, or any other month, for that matter. and i want that community to know, from the 11th hour, we see you, we love you, we need you, and we support you. happy pride, everyone. and on that note, i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late. i will see you at the end of tomorrow. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> -- in july of 2021, joe biden had been president for more than half a year. but the last days of the trump
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administration were still very much being reported on. the ways in which trump had tried to overturn the 2020 election in this series of escalating maneuvers, which ultimately resulted, of course, in the attack on the u.s. capitol. so is during that summer, july 2021, when the new yorker published this explosive story. you are going to have an effing war. mark milley's fight to -- stop trump from striking iran. the very attention grabbing headline was one of the series of reports published around that time, detailing how mark milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff under trump -- how general milley had spent the last days of the trump presidency frantically trying to stop the president from starting war, to keep himself in office. for several months, milley had been engaged in an alarmed effort to ensure that trump did not embark on a military conflict with iran as part of his quixotic campaign to overturn the results of the 2020 election and remain in power.
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the chairman secretly feared that trump would insist on launching a strike on iranian interests that could set off a full blown war. so, general milley was worried that president trump would use the pretext of a war with iran to stay in power, which is, i guess, one way to do it. now, that war, obviously, never came to pass. instead, trump pulled many other insane levers to stay in the white house. but this new yorker story was a big deal. and in that month there were similar articles in the washington post and another in other outlets, and trump was apparently furious. the summer the new yorker article came out, trump was so publicly enraged by all the reporting about general milley and general milley's campaign to stop trump from starting this waco war to stay in office, that trump even released a statement. if i was going to do a coup, one of the last people i would want to do it with is general mark milley. if i was going to do a coup -- we now know that all that reporting about general milley
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in the summer of 2021 really seems to have gotten under trump skin, so much so that trump's reaction to all of these articles may just be the smoking gun in the special counsel's mar-a-lago investigation. as we have reported here before, multiple news outlets, including nbc, are now confirming that the special counsel's investigation has obtained an audio recording of donald trump from that summer, july 2021. in that recording, trump is angry. he is angry about that article about mark milley. and he is reportedly doing everything he can in this recording to prove that he never wanted to attack iran. instead, trump claims the person who really wanted to attack iran was -- wait for it -- general mark milley. and as evidence of that trump has, on the tape -- he says he has, in his position, some sort of classified
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documents showing mark milley's plan to attack iran. on the recording, and in response to the new yorker story, trump brings up the document, which he says, came from italy. milley. trump told those in the room that, if he could show it to people -- if he could show it to people it would under wine undermine what milley was saying. so, this classified document is of some real importance to trump. but it's still classified. and trump is aware in that moment, captured on tape, that he cannot show this classified documents to anybody. and this is where things get really crazy. one source says on the tape trump refers to the document as if it is in front of him. several sources say the recorting captures the sound of paper rustling, as if trump was waving the document around, though it is not clear if it was the actual iran document. nbc news has not independently verified that specific part of
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the reporting recording. but if the reports of this audio recording are accurate, it may be the most damning evidence yet in the special counsel's documents investigation. because this alleged recording tells us three really important things we could have only guess that before now. number one, donald trump clearly knew he had classified documents in his possession after he left the white house. at the time of that recording, the national archives had already repeatedly asked trump to return all white house documents. the head of nara had written -- had pleaded in an email to trump's lawyer, a few months prior, that was absolutely necessary that he obtain an account for all presidential records. but now we have here trump on tape talking to strangers about classified documents that he says he has, making no mention of the fact that, oh, by the way, the federal government would like them back, please, mr. president. okay. now, the second thing we learn from this recording is that
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trump may well have been waving around those classified documents in front of people, which is not what you are supposed to do with classified documents. we don't know for sure exactly what trump was rustling on that recording. it could have been a plan to attack iran from the joint chiefs. or could have been around a piece of paper that was used as a prop. we just don't know. but either way, trump seems very comfortable talking about these documents, maybe even waving them around in front of a group of people who do not have the proper security clearance. and finally, the third thing we learned from this reporting recording is that trump knew that the documents in his possession was still classified. on the recording, trump clearly understood that he could not show this document to the people in the room with him, because he knew that he had actually not declassified that document as president. all of this matters, a lot. throughout the entire mar-a-lago saga, trump and his lawyers have tried out several lines of defense. first, they claimed trump did
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not know any he had any of these government documents. trump's lawyers wrote in a letter to congress that white house employees quickly packed everything into boxes, and shipped them to florida. white house employees -- they claimed trump had no idea what was in those boxes. second, trump's lawyers claim that trump kept all those documents in a secure place. trump's lawyers said all those classified materials were being kept at president trump's heavily secured home at mar-a-lago. and finally, trump claimed that none of this mattered anyway, because trump declassified everything before leaving office. >> you had said on truth social, a number of times, you did declassify -- >> i did declassify. >> okay. is there a process? what was your process to -- >> there doesn't have to be a process, as i understand. you know, there's different people say different things. but as i say -- if you are president of the united states, you can declassified just by saying it's declassified. even by thinking about it --
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>> you can? he said he didn't know the documents were classified but he kept them in a secure location and that he had already declassified them anyway. but he knew he had classified documents. he was not keeping them in a secure location. and he knew he had not declassified them as president. and it's all on tape, in his own voice, with rustling paper. joining us now is tali farhadian weinstein and also a former federal prosecutor at the doj. and also with us is carol leonnig of the washington post. -- carol, if i may start -- also for a book, which is from whence some of this tape comes. my question is, do you have tapes from chats with the president. and do you know if the special counsel wants those tapes or once those tapes? >> i will just say, yes, we do
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have tapes, the recordings that phil rucker, my colleague and i, made of our interview with donald trump, which came out at precisely this time, in july of 2021, when the president -- the former president -- was complaining about mark milley. and i will say that it was the pattern and practice of former president donald trump to also tape record any media people that were coming in to visit him. he wanted, basically, a record of what those conversations were, it just too sort of fact check and make sure nothing was taken out of context that he said. and the irony here is that researchers who sat down with him for mark meadows book have the president -- the former presidents own words in which they did not miss quote him and they had evidence of now, also, we no trump's
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aide margot, also has the recording and evidence in which he describes his awareness of this classified material, that it was classified, that he should not show. that there were special requirements, unlike the things he has said since he was under investigation for withholding some of these documents and obstructing a criminal investigation. >> given that this is something he did, carol leonnig, it was something that a lot of the conversations were recorded -- trump had to have known somewhere in his relatively in brain -- like, the deep brain, that there existed recordings of him saying these things that are exactly counter to the defense he started to mount in the mar-a-lago documents investigation. no? >> i think it is important to remember the pattern of donald trump when he was president, and since. i will just give you an example. in phil rucker and my interview
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with donald trump in the spring of 2021, he described, really an alternate reality that did not comport with what he had previously said in other settings about what happened on january 6th. or what happened in the election. he said things to us that did not really relate to what he experienced in realtime. it was a huge disconnect. and so i think it's important to remember that donald trump, often, is of the view that he is the best communicator for his pr crisis at that moment. he's excellent in his view at seizing the microphone and explaining his point of view -- but it doesn't necessarily have to be consistent with what he said a week ago or a year ago. it's really to seize the moment and to make sure that he makes the most of that particular crisis. i'm not sure he probably remembers this exchange in which he said, i could really get nearly.
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mark milley. i could get general milley, if i could show you these documents that conflict with his alleged claim that i wanted to -- always planning to attack iran. and forgive me, alex, a moment for a second. the irony -- the second irony here, in addition to donald trump not being consistent, insisting on something that now actually in snares him -- the other irony here is, it's my understanding from sources that we spoke with over the last 48 hours that mark milley did not produce a document, a memo to donald trump, in which he recommended invading or attacking iran. and so, really, donald trump, if he was shaking around a classified document, as he alleged, in this recording, it was a pentagon document that merely probably recommended against. one of the many options of
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things that could be done, with a foreign adversary, that -- the pentagon had gone, and sort of wargamed out. and donald trump's thinking, how am i going to get this general? the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, who appears to be sharing his worries about the end of my presidency -- how am i going to get him? and the reporting we have to date is that he was going to suggest he had a document saying the general wanted to invade the country, when we have information that that is not the case. so, it's sort of a double whammy irony. like, on the one hand, records everything, donald trump, so that you can catch reporters mis-describing you. now it catches you saying something about classified records, and your knowledge that they required special protection. and then the second is of course, i'm going to get general milley, donald trump says. but he's going to be flashing around a document that he's in mis-describing.
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>> yeah. >> because my understanding is that general milley did not recommend attacking iran. >> yes, layers of irony here, tali. -- i guess the question from a prosecutorial level is -- there is the legal part of this and then the public opinion part of this. talk to me about, legally, the importance of having his statements on tape. >> yeah. this is blockbuster evidence, alex, legally speaking. and it's not direct evidence of the crime that we had been anticipating that he would be charged with, which is, having the classified documents at mar-a-lago. this obviously is happening in a different setting and different time. but it's what we call other acts evidence or rule 404(b) evidence that comes into support those charges, or tells us -- his intent, that he knew how classification works, that he was not supposed to have it in that he was holding on to it. his motives -- i mean, that's hung over the documents case. why did he have the stuff? and now we have an answer that
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i think would be meaningful to a jury, which is personal vendetta, ego. he was wounded by these stories about merely and he thought he could use documents like this to help himself and maybe legacy build. and depending on what comes out we might learn something about his m o about how he managed to get documents into his hands that he should not have had, all of which can shed light on and support the mar-a-lago charges. and everything i have said is true even if it is all a ruse. even if he was waving around a blank piece of paper -- >> a blank piece of paper -- >> -- or something that was not even classified in the first place. prosecutors can still do all the work that i just described. >> as far as charges and building a case, which is -- i mean, is it a bigger deal in this instance, in terms of the charges it supports, in however
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tertiary or secondary away, the fact that he was knew the documents that worked classified and was in possession of them, in theory, or that he was waving them around and potentially showing them, ready to show them to other people? >> well, it's both. and the latter -- the waving them and showing them around to other people is really important for the espionage act. so, remember, the search warrant for the documents at mar-a-lago listed a bunch of different statutes, which does not have to be the whole universe. they could bring charges other than the ones that they have listed. but that's a statue that predates the whole classification system. so, those technicalities don't even matter. -- criminalizes taking, without authorization, documents related to national security, which could be useful to the enemy, or which could hurt the united states. and the showing and the carelessness and the content of these documents sort of tells us that this is something he would be willing to do. so, we might see charges related to bedminster too. but even if we don't, this is
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very useful in an espionage case from mar-a-lago. >> yeah, which is not something we've been talking about mostly from obstruction, as it pertains to mar-a-lago, not so much the espionage act. carol, i know the washington post has done some important -- so important we've bookmarked it on our browser -- reporting about trump's motivation for holding on to these documents. and i wonder how you think this creates a more vivid picture of that motivation, and whether -- the degree to which this could really just be, as tali says, ego. >> so, i'm glad you asked. and i could not agree more with tali farhadian weinstein about the importance of the motive, in telling the story. i've interviewed enough prosecutors to know that the most important thing to know when they go to trial is, how do we tell the story -- how do we connect all these dots and make it make sense to our jurors? and there is a legal piece
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here. and there is a political and public opinion piece here. so, let's deal with the legal first. it's critical -- and we have been reporting at the post for, i think, nine months, that prosecutors did not have evidence to suggest at least months and months ago -- did not have any hard evidence to suggest donald trump took these documents to, quote unquote, make money, make bank on this material, but that it was really about, like, these are mine. i'm really still the president. i have things to brag about and boast about. and i hold on to these. we know that prosecutors have continued to investigate, under jacks mitt, ever since the special counsel was appointed in november of last year. prosecutors have continued to seek information about the possibility that donors were encouraged or a lured by the flashing of these documents, that essentially, donald trump 's boasting of what he had was used to create some favor with donors and to bring the money
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in that way. we don't know that prosecutors had found evidence of that. but in this case, at least we know this much. there is a slightly petty, personal and venal motive for donald trump in this setting, in which he really just wants to settle a score against a very senior pentagon official who worried about the final weeks of the presidency, and what donald trump might pull to stay in power, including a kind of wag the dog more. that was a major fear of general milley's and when we reported on in our book in july of 2021. and i think a jury, upon seeing that information, alex, is going to be very concerned about why somebody would have
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such a small motive in flashing around material that would be valuable to an adversary, that would be dangerous to get into the wrong hands, that would cause grave danger to americans security. this is the trade-off that they are being presented within this future trial that the three of us are envisioning. >> well, presumably, these are not the only tapes that jack smith has. there's so much more to talk about but we have to leave it there. tali farhadian weinstein and carol leonnig, it's a great to hear from you both. thanks for joining me tonight. so, that was new bombshell reporting on special counsel jack smith's mar-a-lago investigation. and when we come back, we will begin to the fresh reporting on the special counsel's other big investigation into trump's role in january 6th. that is just ahead. stick around. k around (fisher investments) in this market, you'll find fisher investments is different than other money managers. (other money manager) different how? aren't we all just looking for the hottest stocks? (fisher investments) nope. we use diversified strategies to position our clients' portfolios for their long-term goals. (other money manager) but you still sell investments that generate high commissions for you, right? (fisher investments) no, we don't sell commission products. we're a fiduciary, obligated to act in our client's best interest.
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maybe you don't. but it was the dating app that had people like vigilante slash conservative hero kyle rittenhouse as a spokesperson. the app had prompts for your dating profile like, january 6th was -- dot, dot, dot, fill in the blank. that app was basically a litmus test so you would only get set up with people at the same views of you. and it was the brain child of someone named john mcentee, who is president trump's former director of the presidential personnel office. but this app wasn't john mcentee's first rodeo when it came to the bizarre app of litmus testing peoples conservatism. towards the end of the trump administration john mcentee was on a mission to find and fire employee seen as disloyal to president trump. employees applying for political them appointments within the trump administration had to fill out a questionnaire, with questions like, what part of candidate trump's campaign message most appeal to you, and
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why? this is not the usual process for vetting white house job applicants. and now the new york times reports that special counsel jack smith is looking into these loyalty tests as part of his investigation into trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. in particular, smith is interested in the firing of the trump administration's top cybersecurity official, a man named chris krebs. trump has gone so far as to subpoena the -- the firing was very public when it happened. five days after the 2020 election was called for biden, krebs's cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency, known as cisa, he put out this remarkable statement about the election. in it, krebs assured the public, in a line bolded for emphasis, but that there is no emphasis that -- changed votes or was in anyway compromised. that statement was a big deal. because, at the time, trump was insisting that the election had been stolen. and his lawsuits were popping up all over the country. and here was his administration's agency -- the one that oversaw elections and cybersecurity saying out loud, we can assure you, we have the utmost confidence in the security and the integrity of our elections.
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that statement incensed president trump. and days later, he fired chris krebs bite tweet. because that's how trump fired people. the new york times is reporting that jack smith's office is interested in all of them. they want to know how mcentee's personal office interacted with the government, including the department of justice in the period between trump losing the election and january 6th. the times reports the special counsel appears to be focused on trump's state of mind during that period. it is likely that the special counsel wants to know the degree to which trump himself knew that the election was not stolen while he continued to
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promote the big lie to his supporters and to the american public. and how trump took action to remove any officials who were getting in the way of that narrative by telling the truth. joining us now is tim heaphy. he served as lead -- mr. heaphy, it is great to meet you and get your thoughts on this distantly. -- looking at the firing of chris krebs, do you think we are reading this accurately, that this is a bid to just try and understand what trump was trying to do to the truth tellers in his administration? >> yes. i think this is jack smith anticipating a potential defense that the president may put forth, which is reliance on council. i have lots of people telling me that they there were problems with the election. and that is what motivated my actions. that's an unreasonable belief.
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and as the select committee found, there were four more voices and more credible voices explaining directly to the president that there was no evidence of -- by-election fraud, as chris krebs said in that statement, no evidence that he -- voting the scenes were compromised in any way. so, the stuff that the special counsel can really lay a foundation that there were true sellers surrounding the president, telling him, again and again, truthfully, that there was no such evidence, it makes his reliance on other witnesses less and less reasonable. and that's why it's directly relevant to potential criminal prosecution on the former president. >> and you see special counsel smith's interest in the loyalty tests that was given to potential employees as an extension of that line of inquiry? >> yes.
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what happened to chris krebs is not uncommon. toward the end of the administration, as your reporting just suggests correctly, there were a lot of people that drew the ire of the president for telling the truth. bill barr is another example. and jeff rosen and other officials at the department of justice, by -- and there's just no evidence to support the incendiary things you were saying publicly about the election and they either lost their jobs or almost lost their jobs. and that all -- his attempts to replace people that we're doing the right thing, people that were willing without a basis in fact a lot to say other things to facilitate this multi part plan to disrupt the joint session, that is why special counsel is asking -- nothing loyalty and all these personal changes. >> yeah, the times reports that the special counsel is in particular looking at what president trump in and around the justice department in trying to install trump loyalist there. can you flush out for me why in particular why the department
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of justice -- which that is seen as the most convenient lever with which to stay in power? >> the justice department is where some of these very same allegations that the president was repeating publicly actually were investigated. bill barr, on november the 9th, santa memo to all u.s. attorneys and all fbi field office is saying, you should go forth and investigate credible allegations of voter fraud. it's important for americans to have confidence in the outcome of the election. and that's what happened. a lot of these theories -- this huge cases of ballots in georgia, dead people voting in pennsylvania or michigan -- the justice department looked into this. so, the president, when he heard bill barr and others say, sir, again, with all due respect, what you are saying publicly is not accurate. we have looked at this. that is what -- trump did the discussion about personnel change. and that, again, informs with the president knew. special counsel's entire focus is on proving state of mind. and on rebutting potential argument that the president relied upon the advice of those who said there's a basis for his actions or his statements.
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and that is why chris krebs, that's why jeff rosen and -- bill barr, and all the people who told him, no, are so important. >> as we talk about the falsehoods that were spread in and around the election, i think it's important to note how much that misinformation has seeped into the groundwater. today, congresswoman marjorie taylor greene claimed that honeypots they have been used to and trap january 6th participants. as someone who worked so in diligently diligently on this investigation, what is your reaction to that? >> it's patently absurd. there's absolutely no evidence of any such anything. again, it's grasping for straws. people who were there on january 6th where they are because they were federalized by the former president, that the election had been stolen. they were lies because credible people like chris krebs consistently told him that there was no foundation for that. that makes his actions criminal.
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that informs the intent behind all of the multi part political steps that he took invents in advance of the -- and was inaction during the riot, all informs -- evidentiary showing that he intended for that right to succeed, and for that joint session to be disrupted. >> tim heaphy, thank you so much for making the time tonight. we really appreciate it. >> thanks for having me on. >> still to come this evening -- as florida governor ron desantis continues his presidential campaign through early states, people back home are protesting a law he signed, the most extreme anti-immigration legislation in the country. what it does and how people are fighting back today, right now. that is coming up next. up next if we want a more viable future for our kids, we need to find more sustainable ways of doing things. america's plastic makers are investing billions of dollars in new technologies and creating plastic products that are more recyclable.
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month that you may not have right about all that much if you lived outside the state of florida. governor ron desantis signed florida's senate bill 1718, which is the most extreme immigration legislation in the country, which is saying something, given the republican party's position on immigration these days. the bill will make giving someone you know isn't documented a ride into the state -- it will make that punishable by up to 15 years in prison. now, this vaguely written section of the law could apply to mixed status households, which means children who were born here in the u.s. to undocumented parents might not be allowed to give their parents a ride if it means crossing state lines. the law also invalidates out of
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state drivers licenses given to undocumented immigrants and florida is of course a -- state. nearly 140 million people visited last year. that means people visiting from new york or california, where undocumented immigrants are allowed have drivers licenses -- they will no longer have their licenses recognized in the state of florida. the law requires more businesses to use e-verify. that's that federal online database that employers used to confirm our workers employment eligibility. that requirement could prevent scared migrants from taking certain jobs, which could worsen the states already existing labor shortage. it also gives governor desantis $12 million to continue to ship migrants out of florida, an exercise and cruelty that lasts saw 50 migrants, unknowingly in some cases, to martha's vineyard, without any resources once they arrived. and it will require hospitals, including emergency rooms, to
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collect data about patients immigration status. which means that if you are hurt or you are sick or in need of emergency care, before you are given the stitches or an x-ray, you will be asked about your citizenship. and in many cases, advocates say scared migrants may not even seek medical help for fear of being deported. now, all of this will go into effect one month from today on july 1st. but the fear and the anxiety this is causing is happening right now. and so, migrants are fighting back. today, hundreds of migrants, all over florida, protested the bill under the banner, a day without immigrants. we saw gatherings in orlando and miami, fort myers, west palm beach, tampa, and jacksonville. the demonstrations were planned in conjunction with labor strikes. . and the closure of dozens of hispanic-owned businesses in support of these undocumented migrants. the hope here is that, with
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enough outcry, governor desantis will be forced to reconsider this. organizers also planned peaceful gatherings in california, colorado, illinois, minnesota, south carolina, and texas and even in mexico. they all want desantis to know that they are fighting this together. >> it freedom is only for selected view, it's no longer america. >> yeah! >> yeah, let's go! >> [speaking non-english] we will always fight back. >> we are here with all our brothers and sisters in solidarity, for support all the immigrants in the state of florida. our communities are being victimized by racist politicians masquerading as defenders of democracy. we are sick and tired of it. and we are not going to take it anymore. and that's why all these people are here. >> we will have more on that fight ahead, with one of the lawmakers who is at the very center of that fight. stay with us.
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month from today. but migrants in florida are not waiting. today, many of them gathered outside the office of local republican legislators to pressure them and governor desantis to repeal this law. they were also peaceful protests in at least seven florida cities as part of the day of demonstrations called a day without immigrants. joining me now is florida state representative ana eskamani. representative eskamani, thanks, as always, for being here tonight. my first question is -- do you think, these protests that we've seen -- there's a lot of -- we think their position on this? >> thanks so much for having me. and as a daughter of immigrants myself, i know, alex, your mom is an immigrant. these issues are incredibly important to us and they are personal. we made that point all throughout our fight on the house floor about this bill -- the realities that many
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floridians don't even realize it happened until after the bill was passed. and that's because governor desantis is on a chaos tour. he pushed many bad bills this session, dividing and conquering, if you will, resources, and the ability to get information to the public. so, as more and more floridians learn about this policy, whether they are business owners, whether they're immigrants themselves the, backlashes being felt. and so my hope is that, for republicans who did not feel the heat before, and now they do. and they will understand why this bill should be repealed. and going into the next legislative session and then in the campaign season, they will have a much better perspective on why these policies are dangerous for florida and why so many people oppose them. >> yeah. the cruelty piece does not ever seem to move governor desantis. but the economic argument against this law seems to be pretty strong. it is the piece where, if you are an undocumented visitor to florida, your drivers license
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is no longer valid in the state. that will affect the tourism industry. there is the basic labor implication here, in terms of migrants being afraid to show for work or not applying for the jobs to begin with. do you think republicans just did not calculate that? and how much does disney and the debacle that has been for the state of florida factor into the decision over how much economic pain they can take? >> i made this point when it came to disney how our governors a job-killing more on. and this is more of the same. let's look at the facts. one in four of florida's 2 million frontline workers are immigrants. and as you mentioned, this includes industries that are essential to our economy, whether it's childhood and social services, public transportation, trucking, warehouses, retail. of course, there is construction, agriculture. and agriculture, in particular, is one of our largest industries in florida,
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generating over seven billion dollars in state revenue each year. these are also areas of work that citizens typically don't want to do. and so we need to emphasize the economic consequences of this policy. and that was part of the goal of today, was to encourage not only our workers to stay home but our businesses to shut down, and for consumers not to shop. we need to show that economic pain and how this really is not just a commitment to the american dream of a democracy and welcoming the immigrant but, of course, also, highlighting the essential role that immigrants play in florida's economy. >> you think the protests continue up until july 1st? can you tell us any more about plans here? >> yes, absolutely. not only with the protests continue, but we are on the ground hosting educational seminars. we want to make sure that those impacted know their rights, especially when it comes to this invasive collection of data in hospitals. this is voluntarily voluntary. but we are concerned that you
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to language barriers and just the complete fear of the notion of deportation, our immigrant community members, especially mythical mixed -- will not seek medical care. -- and of course we will continue to organize on the ground, pushback, and build coalitions. many members of the faith community are opposed to this bill, alongside the business community. and we need ally every ally at this time especially in florida as governor desantis continues his bid for the republican primary. >> yeah, the intersectionality unjust recognizing each other's humanity seems pretty profound. florida state representative anna eskamani. as always, thanks for your time. >> thank you. >> coming up, the senate is racing the clock to pass a debt limit deal before the u.s. government default on its bills. we are going to bring you the latest just ahead. who's only taken 347 steps today. hillary: i cycled here. narrator: speaking of cycles, mary's period is due to start in three days. mary: how do they know so much about us? narrator: your all sharing health data without realizing it.
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working late, pushing towards a final passage of the bill raising the u.s. debt limit. the bill passed by the house last night, with a major assist from democrats. as it stands, the main sticking point right now is that a handful of senators are forcing the chamber to vote on amendments to this bill. there are 11 in total. and if any of them passed, the whole bill has to go back to the house. and that would almost certainly push the u.s. government passed the point of default. so far, seven of these amendments have failed. joining us now is ali vitale, nbc news is capitol hill correspondent. ali vitale, this bill seems poised to pass the senate tonight, right? >> that is the expectation.
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if you are -- in a bad thing, because no one anticipates that any of these amendments are going to fast. if they did it would mean that this bill would have to go from the senate back to the house and we would be in a state where everybody is surprised and we are more likely to default on a debt. -- and going in the short term to go faster in the long term. this is an agreement by 100 senators to do these amendment votes and then finally, maybe 30 to 40 minutes from now, is our expectation, a vote on the debt deal that they have in front of them. that's probably going to be at around 11. and, look, i know it does not look like it is happening very fast. but this is pretty fast by senate standards. ten minutes per each of these amendment votes. and we've got senate majority leader chuck schumer chiding
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his colleagues when they go over ten minutes, and urging them to stay on the floor so this can get done as quickly as possible. this is, again the senate coming in days ahead of deadline after the house haggled over this death deal for weeks between speaker mccarthy and the white house. i do think that thing that is striking about it, and you and i have watched so many of these late night procedural hurdles -- is the fact that this one is sort of being done halfheartedly. most of the republican senators who were agitating for amendment votes we're doing it knowing that, a, their amendments were going to fail, and be, the fact that this debt deal was going to pass anyway -- so, even though we are doing this the long way, it is still being done in the shortest way possible. and it's almost done in a halfhearted fashion, because everybody here expects that this bill, by the end of the night, is going to be passed on all the way to the president's desk. >> yeah, and a rare moment of bipartisanship where chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell want their people to do the same thing, which is similar down and go vote quick. >> ali vitale, burning the
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midnight oil with the rest of the senate. nbc news capitol hill correspondent. thank you ali vitale, for your time and wisdom. that is our show for tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. and now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, alex. and yes, it is the fastest slow version i've ever seen of the united states senate on one of these things. the key to just how fast this was gonna sail through the senate, and how wired it was is the motion to proceed to the bill, which on almost everything in the senate now, requires 60 votes -- >> 60 votes. >> you know how many votes it got? 100, because they basically did it by unanimous consent. unanimous consent is how everything used to go to the floor, you know, like, 30 years ago, and certainly before the trump era and the mcconnell era. so, that moment earlier tonight, when they just went, unanimous consent meant that s
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