testified and after the audience, but look at her face was there -- anymore. now, she was scared. >> how did you feel about that? >> pretty good. she knew that it was over. >> as for ronny's family, they say a weight has now been lifted, but their sorrow remains. >> it's something you can ever get out of your head. it's never going to be over and are lots. we've lost a dear member of our family. this is never going away for us. ng us. that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm andrea canning, thanks for joining us. >> happy saturday and welcome to morning joe weekend. it was another busy week with lots of 2024 action.

let's take a look at the week's top stories. we're following new reporting involving the investigation into former president donald trump. classify top humans that he took with him when he left the white house. multiple sources tell cnn that federal prosecutors have obtained the 2021 audio recording of trump acknowledging that he kept classified pentagon documents about a possible attack on iran after leaving the white house. the existence of the recording undercuts trump's primary defense that he declassified all the documents that he brought with him from the white house to mar-a-lago. cnn reports that july 2021 meeting was held at trump's golf club in -- new jersey, with two people working on the autobiography of trump's former chief of staff, mark meadows, as well as trump pays, including communication specialist, margot martin, who

as the guardian reports, regularly taped trump's conversations with authors to make sure they're accurately recounting his remarks. so really, this is interesting because it's all about people running books about themselves and recording all that stuff that people want to put into history about their time in the white house. >> it also shows us where the special counsel may be in this investigation, that recording he's talking about, reportedly indicates that trump understood that he had, in fact, kept classified material after leaving the white house. it was still classified while in his possession, and he no longer have the ability to declassify it. on that recording, trump's comments reportedly suggest that he would like to share the information contained within the document, but that he could not because he's aware that he no longer has the ability to declassify materials after leaving the white house. cnn did not listen to the recording, but did cite multiple unidentified sources

describing what was on the tape. trump has denied any wrongdoing. joining us now is political investigations reporter for the guardian, hugo lowell, who has matched cnn's reporting. walk us or if you would, hugo, what you know about this tape, having not listen to, it but heard all the accounts from people who have. what did the former president say and what does it tell us about what he knew about the documents in his possession? >> -- he went a little bit further and on the tape you made a suggestion that he should've declassified this military document relating to iran when he was in the white house and he still had presidential power to declassify. he had not done so. i think it does come back to this point about how he seems to be acknowledging -- for the first time, that the entire theory about how he could or how he had declassified everything that ended up at mar-a-lago and

elsewhere, well totally declassified because -- took it up with him to the residents. i think the fact that the document, according to our reporting, was classified at a secret level was significant. that is a kind of document that the justice department technically charges an espionage cases. you don't want something that's too sensitive, something that is top secret, because it's difficult to get the intelligence community to sign off declassifying that -- as something at the confidential level, on the other end of the spectrum, is probably too low of a threshold for it to be -- a jury. -- always looking for secret level documents and the fact that this -- was classified at the secret level just makes it worse for trump. >> so donald trump knew what he had was classified, he knew he had something that he should have brought back to mar-a-lago. which raises the question, is

this is coming out of jackson's investigation now, who's leading the doj investigation and these classified materials at mar-a-lago, what does it tell you, according to your reporting, hugo, we are special counsel's in this investigation and it whether he may in fact be making charges sometime soon. >> espionage investigation, if you're looking at the sort of documents that trump had in his possession and might have been showing other people, and you could see on the audiotape it's not clear -- at the time. but the fact that the special counsel has zeroed in on this sort of conduct, and we have reporting from other witnesses who have gone before the grand jury, that a lot of questions have been what did show people, did trump -- at mar-a-lago, that suggests that this is -- espionage investigation. -- that has been such a big part, with the movement of boxes in

and out of that storage room, as we have discussed so often. as wthe fact that we're talking about the classified documents and what trump might have shown people, that is textbook -- of title 18. but >> -- this also shows that when donald trump's been talking about this, he's been lying time and time and time again. of course, as we saw in the tea cnn town hall meeting, republicans cheery whenever he brags about being a lawyer, but special counsels aren't quite so excited about that. when i say republicans, i mean those republicans in that cnn town hall audience sheared at him saying he lied about the debt ceiling and he's being a hypocrite. they thought it was the funniest thing in the world. jack smith doesn't think it's so funny. when donald trump goes on -- in september 21st, 2022 and says, i can be declassified

things by just thinking about it. a sucker is born every day, and republican start repeating those talking points. he lies and he says that the cnn town hall meeting, i can do whatever i wanted to do, i can declassify it if i want to. we find out, with this audio recording, just like the audio recording in georgia, that donald trump is and legal hot water. because even trump knows, in these recordings, and it goes straight to -- that he can declassified just by thinking about it. he didn't declassify just by thinking about it, and in fact, he knew what he was in possession of a classified document that he improperly, illegally took from the white house. >> yeah, now it turns out that there's tapes. there is always problems around the declassification -- idea classify the --

that presumably would've had to be some kind of paper trail showing that he is on this. what would happen to those the classified documents whimsy took them back from his residence into the white house while he was in office. when they suddenly get reclassified again? not to mention the fact that you have allies in a total uproar if it's possible to just the classified documents in this casual way. his arguments never really held water. it's interesting, he is reporting, that's now it's looking like there could be more than just obstruction if this is some kind of espionage case as well. i don't know what that means in terms of the -- terms of his supporters. i guess his supporters will buy his argument that he's the victim of the greatest witch hunt ever and this was in his power to do this. he's die hard supporters, again, cumulatively the amount of legal problems he's facing from the special counsel who's an independent special counsel and not a political appointee, does not start chipping away, --

in the suburbs of places like -- philadelphia. >> right. and the thing is -- there's some hard-core supporters who will say it doesn't matter that donald trump is a liar, doesn't matter that he sold classified documents, doesn't matter that he obstructed justice, doesn't matter that he broke the law, doesn't matter that he kept lying and moved documents the day before they were coming down to get the documents. it doesn't matter that he got caught on tape lying. they'll say that. but when you go a little bit below the surface for them, they go, i'm so exhausted by the sky. right? when they aren't having to admit that they voted for him twice and that they keep defending him, you scratch below the surface at a here in time and time again. we both do. they're so exhausted by him. kathy rings up a great point. i have to keep bringing it up

because as we talk about the republican nomination, republicans have a choice here, do they want to win or do they want to lose? if they want to lose, i can just let them know that they can keep backing donald trump because this news, and i think the indictment that's sure to come now from the justice department is really going to hurt donald trump in the suburbs -- of detroit, the suburbs of milwaukee. you name it. -- will these swing voters are that decide elections. this is, again, trump people saying, alice is fine, this is fine, they won't come out and say it, but they like that he's a liar, they like that he lies to the fbi, they like that he lied to the doj, they like that he lives to everybody. they think that somehow, in some perverse twisted logic, they think somehow that's like

staking its to the -- by being a liar, constantly, living a lie your entire life, being a lie in public service. that's what they think. the problem is, and we're gonna get to the debt ceiling in a minutes. i don't think that's where most of america's. i think most of america actually, you know, i think there are a lot of voters who -- are going to hear this and is going to push them even further away from donald trump. they become even more exhausted by the constant lies, the constant legal problems, the constant violations of laws, and just basic standard governing ethics. >> the most basic way to look at the 2024 race is exactly that. the swing voters who -- broke hard away from a 20, what possible reason has donald trump given them to have them come back in 2024. this, certainly, add to that.

the hardest core trump supporters, there was in forever, nothing can change their minds. we saw that over the last couple of years. but even there's another slice of republicans who did go for the trump, maybe even a 20 as well, voted for him twice, who wants something different here. who recognize that even as these indictments, or at least the first one, helped trump in the gop primary polls and maybe this next one will till two. it's not going to help him in general and the election next year -- that it does. hugo, i want to return to the investigation for a moment, let's talk about some of the cast of characters involved -- junior white house staffer, but one of the very few from the west wing who followed trump into his post presidency. she plays a much larger role in his life. now, mark meadows the chief of staff is the one who has this book where the audio is connected to. who else is jack smith talking to? has he interviewed these two? and also other employees -- who could be shedding light at this piece of it as the

investigation seems to be heading into its final stretch. >> yeah, from what we understand, actually, the trump legal team learned about the tape, not to see their own client, but because margot martin had a laptop and had devices -- special counsel and got asked about the tape with gee classified to the grand jury, hearing evidence in this case, in mid march, towards the end of march. then the trump legal team got a subpoena for the tape and it all went downhill from there, but she's not the only person. there have been multiple witnesses -- and we should remember that. bill special counsel will subpoenaed almost every employee that were summer lot of, not just a political staff, not just these two or three lawyers that's -- but also the cooks, the, mazy systems to the valley. they were gonna --

interviewing people who are connected to the i.t. systems and the security system. they recently had the two -- quetta margarine or oversaw security, go into testify. and the special counsel has spoken to everyone. the last time that the grand jury mats, we believe it's around may 5th. we understand the grand jury may have expired may 18th, and so we have to assume that at this point, the investigation is coming to a close and charging decisions are being considered right now. >> still ahead on morning joe, florida governor and 2024 hopeful ron desantis kicks off his presidential campaign in iowa and tells voters in the state, they should move to washington d.c.. we'll take a look at that messaging and his fails comments about donald trump. >> not all fails, he pointed

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officially launched his first campaign tour in iowa yesterday. the first stop on a four-day push through three early voting states. desantis criticize a leaps several times during his speech, and he called on his supporters to move to washington d.c.. >> i wish the elites in washington d.c. would take a page out of the iowa playbook, but instead, they have ignored what works, and they've continued to plunge this nation into the abyss.

our country is going in the wrong direction. we need to inspire americans from around the country to maybe pick up your family and move to the nation's capital for two, four, six or eight years because we need people who live in the country to come out to d.c., to reassert the rights that we, the people, can run our own government. d.c. has imposed its will on us for far too long. it's time we impose our will on washington d.c.. >> after the rally, desantis delivered his most direct attacks at the former president, so far. >> i'm going to respond to attacks. i mean, if you say cuomo did a better job with covid, then florida did, that's not what he used to say. this is like new, six months ago he would've never said that,

right? used to say how great florida was, his whole family moved to florida under my governorship. are you kidding me? >> okay. >> well, they actually did. they actually did. i'm wondering, you look at the speech -- he actually does look like he may be willing to go after donald trump a little bit here and there. it's fascinating, though, telling people from iowa you need to move to the district of columbia. i don't know. maybe not mayer -- >> to do what, move there to do what. they are not, for better or worse, d.c. is not governed by people who live here. definitely not governed by the people that live here. but the thing with, i think desantis -- >> it's strange. . >> it's strange, right? >> the thing was desantis, he thought yesterday, from what he's trying to accomplish went

well. what i don't really get, i'm interested in everyone's view on this, is why trump is attacking desantis as much as he is. trump is way up in the polls, right? he has -- with a 20 digit, 20 point lead over desantis in the states and the early primary states, not quite as high but still a lead, and he should be ignoring desantis. he should just be acting like the front runner and ignoring desantis, but instead he's been attacking him and he's been attacking him as a cryptic right, right? saying the census was for me in 2018 when he ran, he had that ad talking about maga, and now he's against me. it reminds me, it's interesting because it reminds me of the attacks that other republicans made against trump in 2016 that did not work, rights? it's trump acting as a conventional candidates and i think it may just be serving to

elevate desantis. -- even trump voters like desantis. i don't know that they're going to like trump going after desantis, and when desantis does not attack trump's speeches, right? he talked about people moving to d.c., we are, but he's not attacking trump. he responds in the press conferences when trump attacks him, and that may go over better, particularly in iowa, then what trump's doing. we haven't seen pulling yet from after that can tell us how desantis is doing since he's announced, but i'm really interested to see if these trump attacks on him -- hurting trump. >> i think maybe desantis -- two, four, six years. i think that's what he meant. donald trump will be in iowa today and tomorrow, he's coming in after rhonda sanchez to get the last word among those two, but this is how he run in 2016. who's at the top of the polls, who's the favorite at the moment -- vaporize him, call him low

energy, and then move down the line. so i guess that's why he's going after ron desantis. the census performance yesterday, we'll received in the room, but maybe not's -- >> it is early, his time to improve, but he faces -- he doesn't process a lot of retail political skills, not a lot of face to face time with voters. we've seen some clips go viral in recent days when he is try to approximate -- when shaking someone's hand. i think to jen's point, trump does risk elevating desantis by -- both at the same time, people around trump say it's -- has collapsed, and now some of that is surely desantis's own endorsement of extreme policies, particularly the abortion ban there in florida. trump people think that they're just crushing him, and they've seen that poll briefly flash there that shows that a 20-point swing in the race. that seems to be where trump is now. i mean, desantis, what does he

need to do here do you think? just as your analysis to try to reverse not slide. i don't know if it's going to have to be -- that we just saw. >> yeah, just watching him campaign on the -- he's an extremely awkward campaigner, so far. to your point, he could get better. he needs to either get a lot better really quickly, over ultimately, we could -- see that donald trump, that's his signature. maybe desantis cannot go head to head with donald trump holding court. that's donald trump's specialty. so far i don't see how he's going to compete against trump on that level. desantis seems to be best at a quick jab, retreating, coming up with some extreme policy that the base may like. the six-week abortion ban, then retreating. the more he's in front of cameras, the more we see him

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apartment buildings. russian claimed eight were drones were shot down. ukraine has denied involvement in those attacks, which came just hours after russia sent its own drones into kyiv for the third time in 24 hours. russia's paramilitary wagner group, meanwhile, has been helping russian president vladimir putin wages brutal war against ukraine. but the group is spreading its influence beyond europe. the central african republic is a country rich in natural resources -- to western diplomats, wagner group mercenaries have been extracting nearly half a billion dollars of goals, timber and blood diamonds for the country for years now. joining us now from london, nbc news chief correspondent, richard angle. richard, you triangle -- tell us more about what you discovered there. >> good morning, we talk a lot these days about machine gun murders in areas from the wachter -- that is not where they make their money. they do that in africa,

especially in the central african republic, where they're exploiting the mineral wealth and stealing from some of the world's poorest people. >> the central african republic is a failed state, torn apart by civil war. in the capital bunkie, i saw children starving to death as the only pediatric hospital. >> what's it like for you as the director here, to see all these cases? >> it upsets me, she says. mothers don't have money to buy food, and the children fall into this states. they are young victims of africa's resource curse, desperately poor people living on land with vast untapped wealth. here, it's gold and diamonds, but they're not lifting people out of poverty. much of the riches are now flowing to russian mercenaries from the walker group. russia's private army, known for its brutality in ukraine -- wagner's get led by --

turned commander. in ukraine, wagner plays for the kremlin. it makes its money here. according to two western diplomats, wagner extracts half a billion dollars a year from this country in gold, where timber and blood diamonds. this woman who asked us to conceal her identity for her protection live near the village of nassima, where her husband was a gold miner. she told me how russian mercenaries josé villagers away. >> translator: there were beating people, whipping people and chasing them away. >> when her husband and seven others refused to leave, they were executed. >> what do you think the russians wanted? goals? you think it's as simple as that? >> translator: yes, they came for our walls and our gold. today my children don't have a false, or they don't have anything at all. >> working with the research you grew, nbc news reviewed

more than a dozen allegations of wagner violence, including added that some of. this was industrial in 2019, before the russian takeover. an image taken this month shows the wind has expanded dramatically. now capable of generating untraceable profits. wagner was invited into the central african republic by the government to help crush a rebellion. the government quickly became dependent on russian's -- wagner even provides the personal security for the president. >> mister president it's a pleasure, richard engel, thank you very much. what did you say about reports that alleged that the russian forces who you brought in to help secure this country have committed abuses? >> translator: listen, we are responsible government others laws in this country. we have set up a commission of inquiry to see if the facts reported in these reports are true. >> the government relies on

wagner to survive. wagner pays itself in gold. the people are left starving. >> we reached out to prigozhin and he responded with a voice note, calling our questions provocative and saying, in part, quote, you've received enough information. if i asking these questions you intended just to spit at me, that i suggest you come closer and after that, try to figure out if it's your throat in my hands or someone else's. >> wow, that is some response and to an extraordinary report there, richard, is there any pushback -- it doesn't seem like it is the wagner group is providing security for the president's -- is there anyone fighting for the people so that they don't just hand over these, as you say, half a billion dollar -- public couldn't reach the country instead of enriching the russians. >> very few people, frankly.

a lot of people are appreciative of the wagner presence. this country was about to collapse and civil war, the government reached out to international support, including to the united states, wanting weapons, wanting troops. didn't receive it. wagner a wives and help to maintain and keep the government in power, so they do have some popularity, but there are some who are starting to say that perhaps they entered into an agreement, effectively, with the mafia, where nothing comes for free. they do provide help and then they come asking for favors and they take what they want. >> an amazing report, thank you so much, richard, for bringing it to us from the ground there. we'll look for much more on the story across all the platforms of nbc news. richard, thanks again. >> all right, coming up, a new argument in favor of humanity -- artificial intelligence takeover after a lawyer relied on chat gpt to prepare a court

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open letter that reads, quote mitigating the risk of infection from a i should be a global priority alongside other societal scale risks, such as pandemics and nuclear war. sam altman, the ceo of the company behind chatgpt was among those who signed the letter. he testified before congress earlier this month and asked lawmakers to regulate the test of apology. the ceos of google and microsoft not sign the letter, but several numbers of global deep mind artificial intelligence unit did sign it. willie. >> meanwhile in march, a lawyer representing a client in manhattan federal court submitted a briefing to a judge, arguing why his client's case should not be thrown out. the case was filed against the airline of bianca, by a man who says he was seriously injured when he was hit by a metal serving car during a flight. according to the new york times,

a lawyer -- to make his case for why the lawsuit had precedent. the only problem, none of those decisions were real. and affidavit filed last week, the times reports the lawyer admitted you -- open a.i. tool chat the ptc to conduct his research. the reprogram -- to verify it's a cases are legitimate. let's bring in nbc legal analyst, danny -- danny, good morning, good to see you. -- because it shows what chatgpt, what a.i. is capable of, but it also shows the flaws, that it effectively made all the case research here. >> there's plenty of human error here as well, because the lawyer initially filed a document that cited these cases -- opposing counsel for avianca -- we are looking at those cases and they don't exist. the judge issued an order saying -- so we can look at them, and what do they do, they apparently go right back to

chatgpt and file the cases and chatgpt gave them. and then we see even later, in an affidavit, confirming this, that the lawyer typed in a request to chatgpt. hey, are these cases that you gave me real, and chatgpt says, yes they are. there's plenty of human lawyer error here, and chatgpt might still be a valid tool for lawyers, but you have to verify, at least at this stage. it's really in its infancy, and the problem is when you sign something or file something to the court, you're verifying that everything in there is accurate, and it's not verified if you only ask chatgpt if it's verify. chatgpt can't take responsibility, the lawyer has to take responsibility. i don't appreciate jonathan lemire texting me to ask if i was a lawyer who filed a stuff. i do not appreciate that. >> i'm a thorough reporter, i asked the questions that the audience needs answers to.

>> -- for filing that. this combination of human error and the use of a eyes are going awry. what is the outcome of this case now? do they toss it? >> not necessarily toss, it also that was the issue -- when this was filed, but more likely you'll see professional discipline, and that's something that strikes fear in the hearts of attorneys. there is actually a tale of two lawyers here, sadly. one is the tale of sympathy, the other were not so much. it happens often that you get a lawyer who has practiced say, in new york, for us 30 years, never bothered to walk on the street and get admitted to the federal court, so yes the other lawyer in his office, hey, can i do all the research and you just signed the document and finalist. i've done that. you trust the other lawyer to do the research, so now you have to lawyers on the hook and no good deed goes unpunished. one lawyer, all he did was trust that his fellow colleague in the firm had done all the research and verified it. once the judge issued the, hey, you need to file these cases

order, both lawyers should have been on high alert. this is federal court, they do not play around with things like this. you might be able to get away with this in state court with a crowded docket, but if a federal judge is raising the alarm that, hey, some of these cases we can't find them, it's time to pay for a west losses script, and it's time to pay for alexis and actually get it verified the right way, not through the open a.i. chatgpt system. my concern, truthfully -- >> a.i. poses a risk of extinction. that's a good way to start your day. but setting that aside for the moment, if not -- what are your thoughts on just how -- or another program, what's its eventual goal and the legal profession. what's its eventual role when it comes to the judicial system. how can it be used and what are the dangers. >> you kids may not remember a movie from the 80s called terminator, but this is the exact same sky net theory. it becomes self aware and

launches missiles against us. it's interesting that we are all concerned about this, and lawyers, i can talk about it academically when it was like, hey, will a.i. replace truck driving, i don't drive truck. now all those lawyers are getting nervous because it seems like a.i. could begin to replace what we do. i think this case is a teachable moment, atlas least at this stage. we're not in danger of garnett turning the missiles on us, but we are in danger of getting false results. by the way, this was not just false results, apparently it looks like the a.i. generated entire cases, not citations, but actual decisions. that's the part that's scary. it's the deepfake problem. to what degree are we getting false information in the form of our research? that's something scary. where there's some red flags, yeah? i think one of the cases -- again, another movie, tyler durden, fight club, i think

that can be some verse of a are playing a prank on us. it could be this deep fake concern at this stage, maybe not the human extinction alarmist position. >> that's the point that a lot of these leaders, by the way there are many people who created this stuff, now they're saying we have to pump the brakes a little bit. they're worried about propaganda spreading quickly and extremist rhetoric. >> coming up, ben platt, won a tony award in seven 2017 for -- and now, he might take home another tour tony for his role in the broadway musical, revival parade. he joined the table alongside the shows tony nominated director, michael -- morning joe we'll be right back. l be right back fore it starts? there's a dr. scholl's for that. new dr. scholl's prevent pain insoles are the only ones clinically proven to prevent pain from muscle-induced joint stiffness and strain. so you can stay pain free.

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>> he has this 20 award winner, been a plot, performing a song from parade at the white house a couple weeks ago. he was there along with his costar, makayla diamond, and on our jewish american heritage month. ben platt joins us now, along with the shows director, michael arden. good morning to you both. >> good morning. >> congrats guys, six tony nominations, i gotta feel good. >> it's exciting, the theater has been our home for a long time and you get to be part of the season and be celebrated and be part of that excitement is pretty spectacular. >> what was the white house performance like for you. you've done just about everything as his point. what was that like? >> it was wonderful. it's nice to go for something that i believe so deeply, and obviously that's an experience i always want to have, so to

have that in congress with parades that i believe in artistically and politically and globally, it was really felt very fulfilling. i got to bring my fiancée with me, that was nice, and makayla of course, my costar you see there. >> also nominated for attorney. >> yes, at 23. very, very talented lady. >> in fact, the two of you, we were just discussing, we're here in january to announce that the show was moving to broadway. the big reveal, and it's been so well received since then. -- something we talked about when you hear in january, this idea that the seam of the show, the antisemitism that's at the center of it, it just feels president again, unfortunately. >> yeah, i think there's an urgency that people feel with the story, and the way that michael has directed its, the storytelling is incredibly contemporary and very historically grounded. there is and in this capability of the story, it feels immediate in a way that i think audiences are responding to and maybe didn't feel the first time around when the show came

out in 98. you can probably speak more to that, but that seems to be what the audiences are feeling. >> we know the white house has taken on antisemitism and the rights of its -- spoke as that offense, you were there. so, michael, on that seem, it is sadly so relevant. is that every president as you're putting on the -- every day. are you hearing that from the audience. they're like look, this feels present right now. >> we hear the words, unfortunately and fortunately. unfortunately we are living in a world where what we are seeing onstage is happening in the world. there is a more present threat to people in our country because of their face and yet fortunately, we get to, as artist, reflects that back to an audience so that they might get to grapple with where does this come from and what traumas from our past haven't we dealt with so that we are still festering this type of hate. so, it's been incredibly

rewarding and challenging, but i think people are leaving the theater and talking about it in ways that you might not always do when you go see a broadway play. sometimes you go back just to sit back and be entertained, which you get in parade, you hear these forces and see these beautiful performances, but also as a challenge to the audience to imagine how we got to a place that we're in right now. >> the show has been incredibly well received in big crowds that come through the theater. what is the energy like and this kind of a show and this kind of a musical? yes if there's music and it's beautiful, but it's also heavy in places. >> i think people come in with a bit of a log liner and knowledge of what the subject matter is and there's a bit of a trepidation, but definitely a readiness to hear it and take it and. what people get so surprised by is how much hope and love and joy and humor is in the story. i think that's what makes it such a beautifully crafted piece of art, is the essential

story of my character and his wife finding each other and connecting and falling back in love, is in direct opposition to some of the more difficult elements in the show. i think it's an interesting double experience of really rooting for this couple and finding a lot of joy and hope in their journey, and also finding a bit of your pit in the stomach from the other elements of the show. it's a push impulse that i think people are responding to. >> -- we are talking with the energy that's all around broadway right now. -- tell us a bit about that, there's also this ideas that new york feels like it's turning the page on the pandemic. not to say the virus is completely gone, but we're at a new place right now. crowds are back. are you seeing that revival and energy from the audience? >> absolutely, i think theater, more so than any of the arts, i think really suffered during the pandemic. completely decimated. doors were closed for longer they than they have ever been closed. to see how the industry began to crawl and walk back, and now

people are coming to this yeager, i think broadway had one of its best weeks on record a couple weeks ago. >> that does it for the first hour of morning joe weekend, but we are not done yet. more of the week's top stories after the break. after the break.

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,. , the they that bill. ensuring the u.s. will not to fall on it that. the final vote was 63 yeses to 36 no. with more democrats voting for the deal that republicans. and response to the bills passage, biden thanked senate majority leader chuck schumer. and leader mitch mcconnell for their work, and also noted quote, no one gets everything they wanted in a negotiation. but make no mistake, this bipartisan agreement is a big win for our economy. and the american people. an>> the other thing is, the measure of what a big deal this was. >> those are biden's words. >> vice president joe biden after the affordable care act passed. you just go back to a week ago. and you look at all of the headlines, talking about how we are in crisis. we aren't going to get this.

don, the huffington post, trouble ahead for the debt deal. bbc, debt ceiling crisis. looms with talks of no deal in sight. and it just went on, and on. i think most people were projecting that this was going to be a massive crisis. the fact that joe biden was able to do what joe biden was able to do, once again, and that kevin mccarthy, basically stared down the extremists in his own caucus. >> yeah, let's give him that. >> again, a really big deal. -- a piece in the washington post titled, biden is delivering on his most farfetched pledge, compromise. david writes in part this. >> the president congenital centrism is easy to criticize, especially in this era of hard, polarizing views. he's a comma conciliator, a dealmaker who likes to say yes

it has trouble saying no. he's also risk averse, and he avoids escalation when facing potential catastrophe. whether war with russia, or a budget default. one memorable moment in the budget drama came one representative chip roy, one of the most fanatical gop die hards sputtered that the deal was uttered sandwich. well a majority of republicans decided to eat it. the bidens a tavistock embrace of mccarthy, to white male, irish catholics cutting a deal in private, is hardly the summit of american politics. but it was a good faith negotiation that solved a big problem. my whole soul is in this, bring america together. biden said, at his inauguration. he meant it, and this week, he delivered. >> not only delivered this week, he has been delivering for quite some time, willie.

you look at, he said this, make no mistake, biden crushed the extremes once again, it cleared out of space in the middle big enough to drive a truck through. you may have trouble writing or biking across the stage -- >> there is that. >> but he knows how to get things done in d.c. better than any president since reagan. and just a pop ultra moment, i want to see neil young in concert a couple years ago. somebody drag me out, i never go out at night to watch concerts, but i'm a huge neil young fan. i was watching, people were shouting songs from the balcony, play old man, play eagle in the damage done. and neil young just stopped, he was plugging his guitar into his and. he just stopped, turned around, he looked up, he said, you know, i've done this before. like, just let me do what i'm gonna do. the whole place roared. that reminds me of biden.

there is no substitute for experience. this guy has done it before. you look at how he, once again, once again defied expectations. not only from the haters, but his own party. and it's, it's a pretty remarkable record. you look at the bipartisan legislation, anyone who would mock that, please, show me a president in the last 25 years, in the last quarter century, that is not more bipartisan legislation than joe biden. >> this was his theory of the case as david got too in his piece when he was running in 2020. he's been there before, he's experienced, he knows how to work across the aisle. a lot of people rolled their eyes, that doesn't happen anymore, we just watched it happen. particularly over the last few days. give speaker mccarthy credit as well. he got serious one who's time to be serious. jonathan lemire is a stark contrast to donald trump, whose theory of the case was, i'm an

outsider in 2016. i'm going to go turn over the tables of washington, i'm gonna go breakup on show stuff, i'll do it the way no one's ever done it to get things done. and now joe biden is offering that contrast of okay, we tried, that we saw how that went for four years. now let me sit here quietly, calmly. yes they might be getting up there in, years as we acknowledged. but i still know how to get things done one washington. he, and the republican leadership did. it >> biden's pitch since day one has been bipartisanship and experience. his commitment to try and work across the aisle, he successfully did that with the infrastructure bill, he did it again here. he has had, he has something with democrats alone when needed. the inflation reduction act to name one. but he prefers to work across the aisle, to take temperature down. and he has enshrines the achievements of his first two years. they weren't touched in this deal. it's an important thing the white house says. we should also know, the white

house seated the messaging space here in the last couple weeks that kept the president out of it, above the fray. that annoyed some democrats. they said look, this is a moment we should be in there. we're losing politics of this. but it was a deliberate strategy. i've reporting this morning that goes behind the scenes of, that they felt like if the white house was like, they have a really good deal here. but if they were seen gloating about, it republicans might lose votes. they may be less reluctant, less supportive of it. so they decided to wait. their victory lap will come another day. they feel this is something important for the country, and this idea of the president. being sort of above the fray, being the calm, steady hand, that's a nice contrast against the hysterical republicans they say before 2024. >> it didn't give republicans a one-on-one matchup with biden. it kept him above the fray. which at the time, it did seem there were moments when perhaps biden could've seemed like he was more in it. especially, i mean, this really got to the very, very, very end

of the ticking time bomb. and they got it done. it's incredible, just last week we had a congressional member who was voicing his deep, deep concern that a bill was actually going to pass. and that some kind of deal would ever be reached between these two parties. i think that this is definitely a win for biden. it shows that he can create compromise, and that there's some competence there. and that is what so many american voters, both sides of the aisle, really won at the end of the day. >> coming up, a new column in politico asks if the anti trump gop forces are starting to implode. the author of that piece, jonathan martin is here to explain. ere to explain. it's not too late to show summer's who's boss. and wayfair's got just what you need. they have all the top grills and gear. with smoking fast shipping. and wayfair deals so epic...

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jonathan, in your new piece for politico magazine you ask if they anti trump gop forces are starting to implode. you write quote, for months high-level republican lawmakers donors, and strategist, eager to block trump have described, in separate conversations with me, and endgame to the presidential primary. when it becomes clear in the early state, and national polling, who is consolidating support, the most influential figures with ties to the legging candidates will stage and tell them it's time to quit and rally from the strongest alternative to trump. such a plot.

>> as spring turns to summer, this vision seems more fantasy than strategy. in fact, if trump doesn't emerge she will look back on this week to grasp why just like in 2016. -- jonathan, i think you're right, look, we saw him come down the escalator, and there were those who were like don't discount this person. you can never discount donald trump. but he is looking, -- at several indictments possibly, one some would say, probably. and that one, i'm talking about the documents one, it's pretty damp serious. >> right. vendôme well thank you for having me. look, i think the challenge today is more clear than ever when it comes to donald trump. it's less donald trump than it

is the opposition, which is not unified around a single candidate. yes it's still early, yes it's not even yet june. there's plenty of time, and there are doubts about donald trump in the party ranking file, and his viability in a general election. but we have seen the movie before. we know how we got a nomination in 2016, it is hard to get politicians to put the party over themselves, and to drop out, and cede the nomination, or at least the kind of baton to try and challenge trump to somebody else. i think that is really the issue here, how do you consolidate, at the end of this year, to two or three person field, and narrow this thing down. because we know in the air of super pacs, that every one of these candidates is not going to want to drop, out they are gonna want to keep going, and try and give it their absolute best shot they have until they withdraw, and back someone else. and then how do you probe vent trump's guys from cutting a deal with some of these liken

candidates? which he says, you stay in until i tell you to get out. keep carving off the opposition. and then, you know, i'll pay you off with some kind of reward, when the time comes. for you to drop out of the race, and i get the nomination. so there is a number of factors that make this difficult to get coalescence against trump within the gop primary field. >> jonathan, as you say. talking to people on the trump camp, they welcome all these newcomers to the fray. -- they threw rose petals at the feet of nikki haley when they got into the race. let's keep carving up, hr hutchinson, come in, let's carve out the anti trump vote. so my question to you though jonathan is why has the anti trump message, italy so far, we're talking about what rhonda santos may do an iowa, it's been so make. if you're really running against the guy i understand his base of support is strong, they feel they need those votes, but if you really want to beat

him, don't you have to go out on a little harder than any of these candidates has? >> well, you just touched on what may actually be the biggest challenge within the republican primary field to dethrone trump. that is, they almost have to confront him in ways that are not direct. the reason for that, in the reason that there's this trump nation about taking him on head on, is because they fear that if they do that, their voters will either recoil, or ignore their message, because for six, seven years, their voters have absorb the tax. against trump, emotionally for democrats, and largely, they are under to those attacks. these republicans you talk to them, they say, we have to make a case on electability against him. we have to get to his right. >> to stand there and say donald trump is a lying demagogue who would shred the constitution, it just doesn't work with their voters.

you know, there's an old saying, you go to war with the army, you have to have army one. i think this is a challenge with republicans, the voters, they have to accommodate. they not only have to accommodate fertile lecture that's conservative, but largely does not want to hear attacks on donald trump, so you have to be creative about it. >> maggie haberman at the new york times reporting that chris christie is starting a new super pac, expecting to get into the race within the next couple of weeks. >> coming, up target becomes the latest company to face backlash over its support for lgbtq+ people. the president, and ceo of glaad joins us next with her reaction. th her reaction our heritage is ingrained in our skin. and even when we metamorphosize into our new evolved form, we carry that spirit with us. because you can take alfa romeo out of italy.

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target, because of a pride collection it has. people of imposing videos on social media of themselves going into targets pride suction, and damaging the merchandise, harassing employees about the brands lgbtq focused clothing. far-right politicians like representatives marjorie taylor greene, lauren boebert has posted messages speaking against the company, and republican senator j.d. vance of ohio says target has quote, waged war on its customers by selling pride merchandise on response to the backlash, targeted now just a it would pull some of its pride themed merchandise. joining us now, the president ceo of glaad sarah kay ellis. today is the first day of pride month. sarah kate, it is great to have you on with, us so much to talk about as we begin this pride month. but let's start there on your reaction. to not just the rhetoric that we are seeing against target, but the decision by target to

then sort of cave a little bit, and remove some of that pride merchandise. >> yes, i think what's really important is to add the word extremists all of this. this is a minority voice, that has a loud megaphone right now. and target, they said it, they've laid out their playbook. they want to make pride toxic, which is supposed to be a celebration of our community. and a lifting up of our community, they are trying to poison the waters. and what they're doing, targeted had a display for years, decades probably, at least ten years. this year they're targeting these. what's interesting, though and often horrifying, is that they're using violence. this is not less boycott, here's a sign on letter. this is a k 15, this is we are coming to destroy the store, this is bomb threats. so to add a very increase level of intensity, i think one of

the things that's really interesting on this first day of pride, is a report to, that abruptly releasing first with you. 70% of americans feel that corporate should sponsor lgbtq moments and events, and this should include lgbtq folks in their advertising. this is not the majority of americans. that is what is really important to focus on in this conversation. because we're giving a big megaphone to a small group of people. in terms of targets response, i can't say i'm happy with a. i think if, if you back down to bullies, you give them more energy. and so i think that target, and these other companies need to step up. you've seen companies who have gone after them. nike, north face, they've said no way, we're sticking with our values. we believe in this and we are

moving forward. and they have backed down. and it's important to keep in mind as well. >> sarah, the corporate boycotts, the threat of violence that you just mentioned, the anti-trans rhetoric, and in some cases legislation. i was speaking to members of the lgbtq community in the past days, who entered this pride month with a sense of fear. they worry in a time that is meant to be so celebratory actually could be dangerous. they suggested they be concerned about going to some pride event, they were concerned about what would happen. you mentioned the possibility of guns. talk to us about how you and your organization are feeling right now as we head into this month. as this is the backdrop. >> i think there have been over 500 anti lgbtq bills proposed at glaad we've recorded over 160 threats of violence or actual acts of violence against lgbtq specific offense. so there is this looming fear

and threat around our community. it's always existed, it's amped up more than ever i think today. and america is more dangerous than ever. i mean if we look at school shootings, what is going on in this country. so if you are a marginalized community, who is often been used to know your place in society through fear, in violent, this is not a great moment for us. what is amazing though, in our study that we just released is that america is not behind this. a super majority are for lgbtq equality. like 84%. 96% of americans believe that all schools should be completely accepting for all youth. so this rhetoric is just that. it is a small minority, it is a rhetoric, it owns the airwaves right now though. a big part of that is because if you look at the statistics,

30% of americans say they know someone who is transgender. so 70% of the country is coming to know transgender people through reporting of what rhonda sanchez has to say, or gray gambit. >> sarah cade, these are obviously very terrible conch cultural times. was there a spark, a moment in the last ten years or so, when there was such a violent and hysterical overreaction to drag shows, lgbtq clothing. was there a moment? or a couple of moments? do you know? >> i would say pre-marriage equality we saw quite a bit of legislation, proposed legislation, basically george bush ran on banning lgbtq marriages so we did see a big backlash and a blip in a moment, when there was progress happening. whenever there's progress,

there is a snap back reaction. to it. that is what we are seeing right now. as more people are understanding who transgender and gender nonconforming folks are, there is a snap back. it's a small minority of people. americans are welcoming, americans believe inequality. americans believe that everyone should live the life they love. and so i think this is a very small group of people, with an outsized voice, in a moment that is being fed by politicians. i mean these politicians are building their careers, and our fundraising off the backs of lgbtq folks right now. >> all right, the president and ceo of glaad, sarah kate alice. thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we very much appreciate it. >> coming up, our next guest visited wisconsin, trying to figure out how the gop lost april supreme court election as badly as they did. he asks the bigger questions of republican, have you lost

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resulted in such a dominant win for democrats. david joins us now. david, i'm wondering, what you found, how much this has to do with the issue of abortion. and if so, is this trend transferable given where the country stands on a? >> yeah, i think it's hugely about abortion as was clear in all polling, you look at an 11-point win there, i think really confirming what maybe we knew about abortion, and how it will play politically, going back to kansas. i was watching the show earlier, talking about the suburbs, and is a transferable,? yes, definitely in those areas. i think that's a concerning thing for wisconsin republicans, that you could take a place like dane county, where madison's, or milwaukee, check it out the reelection assault in april. these hugely democratic power centers, and democrats still would've won that race that was

really fought, almost entirely along abortion lines. >> david, it was, it was just earth shattering. i didn't expect as many republican leaders to admit that to you on the record. but my gosh, you talk to so many republican leaders and wisconsin who said, we have lost the state for a while. one guy in republican event said that there are only solution might be jokingly, i will add, to kill all millenniums. because they just fear they've lost the youth vote, and wisconsin for a very long time. >> i think some people look at the issue of abortion, they say why don't republicans fix it. and it's not as if people who are hard right on abortion, who are against exemptions, who won an outright ban, many of them are aware of the political realities of this. they know that it's you know, a

bad thing for them when it comes to winning elections, and i think what's fascinating to me is talking to people who know that, and maintain that position anyway. i think there's a lot of that going on there was constant. along with, i mean it's, there is a lot of understanding that abortion is going to be very bad for republicans in wisconsin. let's keep in mind though that we are still a ways out from next year's election. it is not going to be an 11-point state in the presidential election. things like inflation, crime, dominant issues, traditionally may become more important again next year. so i don't think it is as if they will definitely lose the next election. i think it's not abortion is a very big problem for them. >> and look, you look, not just an wisconsin, you look in red states like kansas, like

kentucky. i mean this is such a loser issue for republicans. again, we were talking about our friends and relatives like came over the easter break. people who have never voted for democrat in their life. all telling these horrific stories about women who are suffering now in the worst ways. and so, jen, this goes to what we are talking about at the top of the show. about republicans who for some reason, more interested in owning liberals then winning elections. the wisconsin legislature knew before that supreme court race, that they had a near total abortion ban, that was passed in 1849, that was political suicide. and yet they did nothing to add anything.

add any exemptions that would make it more palatable. so they lost by 11 points. in a race they could've won. it's just, again, it just makes no sense how blinded so many republican legislators are across the nation. >> and this is, wisconsin, which has a pro-life tradition. pennsylvania, was collinson, michigan, states a traditionally have a lot of catholic voters. traditionally are more pro-life, even though they were largely considered blue. i mean this is happening in wisconsin. and david, in your piece, you talk about how it's not just, it's not even just the suburbs. it's more red parts of the state that also turned out in huge numbers. i know you talk to ben winkler, the head of the democratic party in wisconsin, someone who for a while now has put a lot of money, a lot of effort into infrastructure. do you think, is this all just

abortion? or do you think part of the victory is above the democratic party trying to build up infrastructure in the state as well? >> great point. as you point out, an issue doesn't win alone. clearly there were tactical things on the ground. -- as one of the most effective state chairs, largely because he can just raise piles and piles and piles of money. a lot of social media. we'll see you change their tactics. a few weeks before election they zoomed a normal turnout model for april election, which would be very, very small. and realize on the doors that people who they might not have been targeting, not reliable voters were interested in voting. largely around abortion. so that was, i think a marriage of the issue, and tactics. and you can't discount that a lot of republicans say, look, our candidate in that race was

not the ideal candidate. it's not as though republicans haven't won while abortion has been on the table. ron johnson won reelection last year, he was going into that election one of the most vulnerable incumbents in the country. a lot has to do with tactics, -- becoming more robust than it was traditionally. >> still ahead on morning joe, data shows more and more high school graduates are foregoing college. taking blue-collar jobs instead. what it says about the state of the economy. and the cost of higher education. you're watching morning joe, we'll be right back. 'll be right back. and it could strike at any time. think you're not at risk? wake up. because shingles could wake up in you. if you're over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist about shingles prevention.

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for blue-collar jobs. according to the labor department college enrollment for recent high school graduates dropped to 62% last year. in 2019, enrollment was a little over 66%. the wall street journal reports fewer people want to go to college, because of the high cost of tuition. and even returns from getting a degree, and the hot job market. a recent poll even found most americans do not think getting a four year degree is worth the cost. joining us now, wall street journal reporter behind that story. harriet torii. also with us, chief economist at ziprecruiter, julia pollack. it is good to have you both with us harriet, i'll start with you a lot of the jobs that most college graduates are taking? the blue collar jobs. as opposed to going -- high school grad say mean, as opposed to going to college. do you have any differentiation

between numbers of women and men making choices like this? >> yes, i think what we're seeing is far more people doing apprenticeships. traditionally what we think of apprenticeships, we think of carpenters, plumbers, mechanics, so on. but as more and more industries are offering apprenticeships now, we see them in cyber technology, we see it in banking, insurance, is a whole range of different industries where you can go and get apprenticeship, and then it's just an easier route to a job. and then you also, quote unquote graduating without the same levels of debt as if you go to college. we do see a big difference in men and women and rolling in college. it's interesting. the rate of women and rolling in college has been higher for quite a long time. now it's extremely high now. about 10% then for men. you know, some economists say this is due to women getting greater financial returns on a college degree. it's definitely interesting. we've seen a really stark drop in the number of people in rolling in college from high school over the past, you know,

few years. it peaked in 2009, and it is trump significantly since the pandemic as well. really what we're seeing is just the cost of college rising astronomically. a lot of people are making this calculation, saying, is it worth it for me to do a four year degree and getting into an enormous amount of debt, when i have the southern option, to do an apprenticeship, get on the job training. a lot of these apprenticeships, you take losses that community college. you really get hands on and costume base training. a bit of course would you finish your apprenticeship, that is a pipeline to hiring. you end up often working at a company or working with people you may have trained with. so for many people this calculation is paying off to go into an apprenticeship, rather than go to college. >> julia, this is jean robinson, my question is whether this is a rational decision. that these young people are

making. from the point of view of employers, from the point of view of the people who were thinking about what our workforce will look like in the next 5 to 10 years? >> pandemic policies really shook up the labor market. low wage workers and silicon we have seen the largest wage gains. 5% after adjusting for inflation. where's top earners have actually seen their wages shrink. that wage compression, it does make sense for many workers not to go to college anymore. employers also found it so difficult to find workers in this economy. that they have been prepared to and benefits, hey, and make all kinds of non monetary improvements as well to jobs of the low end of the wage spectrum. looking ahead, the technological changes ahead of us, like generative a.i., are

most likely to disrupt the jobs are graduates take. a high wage job that are much more likely to be done by software. where is the skill trade, plumbing, electrician, mechanics. those jobs are relatively safe or may i. >> and clare, that last point is so important. it seems like we are always looking at a labor market, the way things were postwar. things have dramatically changed. right now in 2023, we have a massive shortage of skilled workers. i think this actually presents a great opportunity. community college are teaching skills. skilled workers and technical jobs, whether electricians, carpenters, plumbers. auto technicians. they just turn out there early war june z runs over.

millennials ran away. there's an extraordinary opportunity to make more money doing that that a lot of jobs you would get with a four year degree. >> yeah, it hasn't happened quickly enough. but we are seeing community colleges actually partner with businesses in the community to determine what our job southern-ed it. they actually go out, and they recruit students and train them for those jobs. in cooperation with, and frankly, with the full support of the company that wants to employ them. what is happened here joe, higher education -- capitalism is working right now. people vote with their feet. if higher education doesn't adjust. if they don't look at the crazy amount of costs that are actually being put upon kids today, the debt load that they have to take to become a doctor,

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next if juliette had not and it all over romeo. and gotten a second chance at life and love. on her terms. the show pulsates with a sizzling soundtrack, featuring some of the biggest pop songs from the 90s to today. including hit tunes from katy perry, ariana grande, britney spears, the backstreet boys, and many more. joining us now are two of the show stars, lorna courtney, and betsy wulf. florida, you were here in early february, there was a lot of tony buzz surrounding you, and the show at the time. so fast forward to this morning, you and betsy are both nominated for tony awards. the show is nominated for nine tony's. this is amazing. betsy, it's also your birthday. >> thank you, it is my birthday. this is exactly how i wanted to spend it. >> and for you i give you a tony. no, this is amazing.

i would, it just seems like such a powerful production. tell us what each day is like. that's a, all-star at the, of since it's your birthday. playing your characters, working on this production. is it exhausting? is it exhilarating? how do you get the energy up time and time again. >> it's exhausting, it's exhilarating, but what always grounds us is the story. it's such an incredible story with heart, when it. it's funny, it's joyless, and it's just the story that i want to be telling right now. and i know, obviously by audience reactions, they go nuts, it's clearly the story that they all want to be seeing. it's really, really a joyous time. >> congratulations on the nomination. so talk to us, you're onset stage, you're seeing the songs everyone knows. everyone's on their feet, night

after night, singing along. sounds like a simple question, but how much funds that to be up there? >> oh my gosh, it's so much fun. even if you are tired because you know, it's tony season, so we are doing a lot. you cannot not have fun in the show. like, it is just, as betsy was saying. it's so much fun. and even people that think they don't know the songs, they actually know the songs. because the songs are just everywhere. you have a great time. you end up leaving changed and moved. because not only is it fun, but it's a moving story. a story about second chances, love, multigenerational love. friendships, relationships. so it's, it's very related will. >> betsy, happy birthday by the way. >> thank you. >> we saw the clip from the play. romeo and juliet. how does that happen out of

romeo and juliet? and tell us if you can, both of you, your instincts of how it happened, and what happens in your story? as opposed to romeo and juliet? >> i think this is what's so hard to explain about this musical. they think, wait you're taking pops long, the most famous pop songs, you know, william shakespeare's most famous play, and yet somehow it all works. we basically flipped the script. i play and hathaway, who gets to come in, shakespeare's wife, who is just there at the theater that night. kind of surprises him, and i'm just here to watch the show sweetheart. and from there she says, i have some thoughts. and i think that's where the real comedy comes in. this idea of what if, what if we could all have a second chance. what if we chose the ball choice. >> and really, what is juliette doesn't die? >> where she doesn't die, it's empowering, it's funny. i think that's the other thing that shocked people. it's hysterical.

>> well that does it for us. i mean come on. what a beautiful, beautiful weekend. >> it's time for you to go milan. milan. >> oh, milan. i can do that. >> i look forward to watching. >> in this? >> no, it what you have from the waist down. your opp shorts. >> opp shorts? while you give me a gold chain and some reflect your sunglasses to. that does it for us for now. we are back monday at six a.m.. we do 17 hours a day, so it's a little punchy. you guys have a great weekend, we'll see you on monday. u on monday. >> this is the katie phang show, live from miami florida. we have lots of news to cover, and lots of questions to