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about the facts of his case. then, tough talk on the debt limit deal. fighting got an important win by signing the legislation. but the real question, what at what cost to the american people? a culture of losing, that is how one of the front runners for the gop presidential nomination described his party 's electoral performance. but there's no sign republicans want to change their strategy. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. all right, this hour, we begin with a sad and at this point, quite honestly, an obvious reality. republicans will do almost anything to hurt president biden's reelection chances. no surprise there. no but there are desperate, mary alice or insane their actions might be, just this week, senator chuck grassley had this to say about and unconfirmed years old allegation that joe biden accepted a bribe as vice president. watch. >> we aren't interested in whether or not the accusations

against vice president biden are accurate or not. >> so, grassley just said that republicans don't actually care whether it is true that joe biden accepted a bribe as vice president. they just want the fbi to hand over its record of the uncorroborated allegation. grassley, along with house oversight chairman james comer, is leading the effort to obtain this document. the republican-led house panel went so far as to announce this week that it would vote on holding fbi director, christopher wray, in contempt of congress, for ignoring a subpoena demanding that record. according to cnn, the document is a part of a collection of unsubstantiated material. based on sources in ukraine that former trump lawyer, remember him, rudy giuliani, sent to the justice department in 2020. nbc news has not independently verified that reporting. but we do know that the bribery allegation is just that. it's an allegation. it's not a fact. it's not been confirmed.

but republicans are treating it like it is the truth. fbi officials told chairman comer this week that just this department policy prevents them from giving the document to the committee. because it could compromise a confidential source, and dissuade others from bringing sensitive information to law enforcement agencies in the future. now, according to nbc news director, wray said he could make a redacted version of the form available for a few. but comer was not satisfied and doubled down on his foot to hold right in contempt why is comer so intent on seeing the full unredacted document of an unconfirmed claim? i don't know. maybe because as he himself has admitted, comer believes his investigations had led to a dip in president biden's poll numbers. and as another republican bent on taking down biden, senator ron johnson said last month, it's not about proof. it's about the insinuations that you can make against the president. >> you have to infer what's

happening here. you're not going to get necessarily hard proof. >> you're not gonna get it. you have to infer. that is what this has always been about. it's not about facts. it's not about investigations. not about crime. it's about hurting biden's chances of winning in 2024. and giving the election to the republican, specifically to donald trump. now the so-called facts, don't care about your feelings party, is operating in a feelings based world. and hoping the american people will just all sheepishly go along with it. as ron johnson said, it doesn't matter if the allegations against biden are real. as long as he seems guilty, that's enough. it's good for them. the truth is this has worked for republicans before. so of course, they are using the same playbook. i'm sure you all remember this, kevin mccarthy, 2015. as republicans held their benghazi hearings, targeting then secretary of state, hillary clinton. >> everybody thought hillary

clinton was unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi special committee. a select committee, what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. why? because she's on trustable. >> the gop smear campaign is real. it is blatantly obvious. and we will call it out every chance we get. let's bring in my panel here. rotimi adeoye, political strategist and opinion comments for the daily beast. danielle moodie, host of the woke af daily podcast. and eugene daniels, playbook coauthor and white house correspondent for politico. and an msnbc political contributor. rotimi, it's good to have you with us. i'll start with you. your reaction to these efforts to smear president biden, what do you make of the republican playbook? we've seen it time and time again. now they're doing it yet again. >> thanks for having me on. comer and grassley are blurring so much hot air they should

maybe get out of congress and started hvac company. they're completely not focused on actually working for the american people. i would really encourage them, maybe they're watching msnbc late at night. they should go back to the drawing board, and actually think about the jobs that they were elected to do. because they're not doing any of it. they're focused on complete nonsense. they brought zero evidence to prove any of the things that they've suggested. it's a complete abdication of the job that people elected them to do. >> what do you make of this, danielle, republicans openly admitting that they care more about the appearance of the biden situation then the reality of it. certainly, we are not surprised here. but it's this an effective strategy for them? >> i mean, it was affective in 2015 because it was the first time that it was really used. right? to take down hillary clinton. but at the same time, we have to understand that the american people didn't love hillary clinton to begin with. anything that the gop could do to tarnish her, and to make her seem untruthful, was going to work.

now we know, we are hip to their schemes. this is something that they do time and time again. funny that we have mountains, mount everest worth of evidence against donald trump and his criminal behavior. but they only want a hint, a hint of innuendo against president biden in order to try to bring him down. with donald trump, it's like, don't look over here. don't pay attention to any of the cases or any of the reports, or any of the legitimate claims. but pay attention to the wafting that we're trying to do of lies on this administration. >> eugene, as i said a minute ago, kevin mccarthy did this in 2015. is that it's all what this is? all over again, an effort to hurt biden's poll numbers even though the evidence busted back it up? or will they be unsuccessful because the front runner of the republican party is basically drowning in all kinds of legal challenges? >> it's hard to say, because first of all, the take is very baked for the american people in donald trump. they know what they know about him. they think that largely the

american people think he's a liar. even people that vote for him and have voted for him are still supporting him, will say yes, sometimes he lies. they understand that. they don't think that that is, they don't think that's disqualifying. i don't know that it's going to impact that. but it will impact for those independents who are thinking about voting for joe biden, especially donald trump the nominee for the republicans. this is why this white house has been working on this for months and months. i will say, when they first started putting together their investigations crew, they were a little bit worried that they were going to find things. but we are seeing, hearing after hearing, where there has been most people have been laughing at him. you haven't seen the republicans being able to find any of this evidence. telling the american people of this evidence, when they've a press conference promising something, that evidence doesn't point in the point to joe biden. that seems like where we are continuing to head. we don't know what's in this document. they want to see from christopher wray, we haven't seen that document. at this point, they made huge promises. i think that's where they are struggling with. they made promises based off of

joe biden's correctness. there's no questions asked without any wiggle room. if they don't come through on that, on joe biden himself being corrupt, then they have failed in their effort as what they said they were going to do at the beginning. >> rotimi, how would you recommend democrats fight back against these republican efforts? what is the strategy for democrats here? both democrats in congress, and ultimately the biden campaign who will have to field to these questions. because the way the narrative gets pushed out is it starts in a committee, but sweeps its way into the media and becomes a talking point for reporters when they speak to president biden. >> well, i think the best thing democrats can do right now is continue to tell the truth, as they've been doing. also, i think taking these clips that we've seen of republicans literally admitting that they are using the government for their own political tools. and for their own political strategy, and play them for the american people.

in ads across the country. people need to see what's being said. and the lies that are being spread. i think it's to just keep telling the truth. really from a communications perspective, taking some of these materials and some of these videos that they have publicly, public statements they made, and really making it obvious to people, so they see that the lies that are happening. i think people are going to, people are going to see the truth. they're going to see it when it's right in front of them. >> what do you think danielle, what should democrats do? what should joe biden do? does he speak out or does that make the matter worse? i'm trying to think of what hillary clinton did back in 2015. there's so many different playbook here. there's always the famous michelle obama line. when they go low, you go high. some people say that strategy may not work with a chuck grassley or a donald trump in this cycle. >> we are in gutter politics, ayman. so, no, we can't go high anymore. it doesn't work. it doesn't work for this republican party. it doesn't work in this version of america anymore.

so yes, i believe the democrats need to deliver and believe in absolute fact, of course, what they've been doing. at the same time, they need to unveil to the american people who the republican party is. they're a party that doesn't care about facts. they're a party that doesn't care about democracy. they're a party that doesn't care about freedom. right? the more that you can air that out, and let the american people know who this party is, the better off we will all be. playing this high, let's go high, while they continue to play gutter politics is not going to work. >> eugene, the republican party is the party of so-called law and order. they're the ones that were criticizing democrats for defunding the police. now you've got chairman comer saying he wants to hold director wray in contempt of congress. you've got other republicans, perhaps more extreme, saying it's time to completely abolish the fbi and start from scratch. why in the world is going on here? do you think he will ultimately hold director christopher wray in contempt? >> it's possible. ayman, i can't believe you're

insinuating that politics might be a disingenuous of some of the things they've been saying. that's insane. that is true. it's also really interesting, because when you watch that january six committee, what they were doing. they had all these house republicans saying x nay on your bill. we don't care about your subpoena. we don't care about you. tried to call us in front of congress, so that's one thing. christopher wray, seems like ray is trying to figure out and the fbi's trying to figure out what are the ways we can get this through without it being messy. the fbi is not an organization that likes to be used for political gain. they don't, christopher wray, when he walked in, he was already conscious about trying to figure out how to get some of the politics -- at least the look of politics, away from the organization. that is something he's been working on and trying to do. they're probably going to work with the camera and the committee, to figure out what they're gonna do. that doesn't mean that comer republicans are not going to keep doing that. that's gonna make clear that,

the defund the police and all that, protecting and loving law enforcement, sometimes it's only when it's beneficial to them. right? >> i'm going to say, i can't believe you are insinuating the republicans care about subpoenas now. but then they didn't care about subpoenas when they were being subpoenaed. here we are. don't go anywhere. we've got a lot more to discuss panel. i'm going to talk to you right after the break, coming up later. i'm going to speak with congresswoman melanie stansbury, about her vote against the debt limit deal. and what americans are set to lose now that it has been signed by president biden. first, my friend richard lui is here with the headlines. >> good to see you, president biden released a statement saying his prayers are with the people. affected by friday's deadly train crash in india. authorities in india and did the search for survivors in the worst during crash and decades. nearly 300 people were killed. 900 injured. indian prime minister toured the site of the crash, visited victims in the hospital. turkey's president, recep tayyip erdogan, was sworn in for his third term. erdogan won a runoff collection last week, to extent is

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signed the debt ceiling bill into law a short time ago, and what the administration is framing it as a win for the american people, if you look at the fine print, you can actually see just how much americans stand to lose here. for starters, the bill ends biden's freeze on student loan payments, requiring them to

resume at the end of august. the deal doesn't affect the administration student debt cancellation plan. but that, unfortunately, it's the risk with the supreme court set to decide its fate next month. the bill also increases work requirements for federal food and cash assistance. even though veterans and people experiencing homelessness would be exempt from those requirements, the center on budget and policy priorities actually estimates that nearly 750,000 adults aged 50 to 54 are now at risk of losing their snap benefits. to the dismay of environmentalist and local residents, as i mentioned earlier, a 300 mile long natural gas pipeline stretching from west virginia to southern virginia has now been fast-tracked for completion. the bill contains a special permits for the pipeline that will be issued within the next 21 days. joining me now is democratic congresswoman, melanie stansbury, of new mexico. she's a member of the congressional progressive caucus.

she voted against the bill. congresswoman, it's great to have you back on the show. thank you so much for making time for us. i first want to ask you about your vote on this bill. i have congressman schneider earlier from illinois. he explained to us why he put it for it. make the case why you ultimately decided to vote against it. and what are you most concerned about as now biden has signed this into a? >> thanks so much for having me on the show. look, for every single democrat who had to cast their vote this week, this was an incredibly difficult to vote. i don't know a single democrat who wasn't tortured by this decision. because at the end of the day, we were being held hostage by a gop who literally didn't care if they tanked our economy. they took us hostage. they told us, basically if we didn't relent to their demands, they would take our economy. they would throw us into a recession. we are talking about millions of people, who could've been out of work, losing their life savings. so president biden took them back to the negotiating table.

i want to note, after they left for the weekend over memorial day weekend. and brought them back and said we have to resolve this before we go over the break. at the end of the day, the bill was a bad deal. it put into place what i feel are really unconscionable compromises. as you mentioned, it will compromise food assistance for over 700,000 americans. it gets the national environmental policy act. i am the ranking member of one of the subcommittees on the natural resources committee. it cuts billions of dollars in funding for our communities, tribal education programs. food programs, and it decoupled military and non-military spending. frankly, it sets us up for another budget battle over the next 18 months. so, i could not in good conscience, knowing that we had enough votes to pass the bill, and would not allow not a single democrat would've allowed our president or our country to fail, i knew that i could not in good conscience vote for this bill. >> let me ask you about how

it's being framed. during president biden's remarks, he framed this as the debt ceiling bill as a bipartisan budget agreement. he said that it is, quote, essential to the progress we've made over the last few years. do you generally agree with that framing, or do you feel that this is not a republican party that is genuine or good faith negotiators, and therefore to try to sell this as an agreement or compromise, or not everybody got what they wanted, as misleading? and that really democrats were held hostage here because they care about the economy, while republicans just wanted to go over the cliff, if they want to drive home a point. >> i think the bigger picture is really important here. republicans were not only holding us to hostage, and the president hostage, they were holding the entire country, and the entire global economy hostage. i can tell you because i walked the halls of the capitol every day. last week, last wednesday, when they all got on planes and went

home to go to fund-raisers, many of them didn't care if they tanked the economy. so when the president says that he had to make this compromise, in order to save the country and say the economy, he is telling the truth. because they didn't care. at the end of the day, it was the lesser of two evils. in a sense. for those of us who took a stand, who said, we are going to stand up against the bullies. we're gonna stand up against all the bad things that are in this bill. we are going to take a stand for all the hundreds of thousands of people who are going to lose food and assistance, and for the environment and climate change, and we're going to cast a no today. we had to have both. we couldn't allow this bill to fail. in the end, it passed for 314 votes, because the vast majority of democrats who helped this bill passed, knew that we couldn't to default. those of us who decided to vote no, who frankly were many of the folks in leadership and committees of jurisdiction, we are talking the wrangling member of appropriations of natural resources, of rules, and lots of subcommittees cover

these topical areas. could not vote for a bill in good conscience, which gutted environmental programs and food assistance, and community based programs. it's a bad deal. >> let me ask you about some of the specifics and your constituents here. there is, biden has said the democrats concerns about folks going hungry because at the new work requirements for food assistance was, quote, you [ -- as someone who has to answer to the -- what is your response to the president saying that? what do you hear from people on the ground in new mexico about their needs? >> listen, i grew up on food assistance. i grew up in a very low income family. what this bill does, i spent countless hours in briefings this week with subject matter experts, with the white house, with my colleagues. i think we all understand the implications of this bill. and why people are mad, is because at the end of the day, republicans held this hostage at gunpoint in our economy, and

try to balance the budget on the backs of poor people. like they've done time and time again. and on the environment. the impacts of this bill, is that we know the older americans, folks who are over 50, are going to lose food assistance. because of this bill. that is just a fact. on the other side of the equation, the biden administration was able to negotiate some changes to snap for our veterans, for people with disabilities. but ultimately, the cbo tells us it's going to bring more people on to food assistance, which is wonderful. but for those individuals, those folks who are actually going to lose their food benefits, it's going to directly harm people. the reason ultimately i could not vote for this bill, not just because of the environmental impacts, is that as someone who grew up in a low income family, i felt that we had to honor the humanity of the people who would be impacted. and do not lie to the american people about what the impacts of this bill actually are going to be. >> let me ask you about the

construction of that mountain valley pipeline that is something for senator joe manchin. he's clearly pushed for it. we know that he has received more campaign donations from gas pipeline interest than any other senator in the united states congress. that passage of the debt ceiling is supposed to be a rudimentary process. yet monkeyed interest are making their way into these agreements. it kind of takes the entire process. that what is supposed to be a rudimentary budgetary process, is now incorporating these favors or these types of transactions, if you will, for senators like joe manchin, who want a pipeline fast-tracked. >> i think in this particular case, and i'm very opposed to this pipeline, the president made a commitment to senator manchin, that he would assist with the permitting of that pipeline. in exchange for his vote over the inflation reduction act. i think the white house and the president have been very transparent about that. it didn't pass when we try to pass a budget bill in december,

so it got shoehorned into this deal. that is not the only problematic environmental provision in this bill. for me, as i said, as a ranking member of a committee of jurisdiction, this bill guts the national environmental policy act. it put into place definitions and exemptions, that the trump administration forced through at the end of the administration. and which we tried to get out of our public rulemaking process. and now, put into statute. there is a lot of really damning and damaging provisions, that ended up in this bill. we were under a situation, in which, the gop and the extremists in the gop were ready to take us over the cliff. the president had to do what he had to do. democrats stood with the president. i stand with the president. i support his decision to negotiate a bill. but we are going to have some hard work in front of us to fix these environmental provisions. and to make sure that we can make good on our commitments and responsibilities to all americans, to make sure that they have access to food,

putting a roof over the head, and to all of these students and folks out there who are going to be saddled once again with student debt. >> congresswoman, melanie stansbury, from new mexico. congresswoman, it's always a pleasure. thank so much for joining us. greatly appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> republicans can't stop losing, their poor track record could continue well into 2024. that's next. stay with us. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ what do we always say, son? liberty mutual customizes your car insurance... so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. now you get out there, and you make us proud, huh? ♪ bye, uncle limu. ♪ stay off the freeways! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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the white house. they did win back the house in 2022. but with the smallest majority seen in years, arguably because of gerrymandering. ron desantis sees the gop long term electoral problem. >> we have to dispense with this culture of losing that has enveloped our parties in recent years. we should have 55 republican senators, instead of only 49 republican senators. a lot of those were winnable races, a lot of those were flubbed. >> another group aware of this culture of losing, down ballot candidates. according to politico, many perspective republican candidates for the house and senate are spooked about running alongside a possible trump or desantis presidential ticket. worried the party could see a repeat of the 2018 midterms, when running with trump in the oval office cost them the house majority. let's bring back my panel here, rotimi, i'll start with you. this round, do you agree with desantis's argument here? on one hand, he is, i think

echoing a little bit what mitch mcconnell was saying, which is that candidate quality matters. and as we have seen, when donald trump is the head of the ticket, the candidates that our rundown on the republican party just don't have the quality. >> 100 percent. i think the voters see it too. after every election, the fact that his candidates that lost continue to say it wasn't rigged. the election was stolen. all the votes were miscalculated. could actually be telling these communities that they lost, ask them how could i have run a campaign better? what issues should i've talked about? shows that they're really disconnected to the job that they are running for. if you're a representative, your job is to listen to the people that you are representing and serve them. so, these losses that are happening, i disagree with desantis about everything under the sun. i disagree, that the party as a culture of losing because the candidates are bad. >> is it to some extent, danielle, contributing desantis that is, contributing to the culture of losing. he won his race, but what he's

pushing in all of these culture wars, from the book bans, to the abortion bans, aren't those the things that are actually contributing to people turning away from the republican party at large? >> yes, because when you look at what it is that the republican party is offering, you think to yourself, what is it? they are offering book bans, they're offering restriction on abortion. they're offering targets against the transgender community and the lgbtq community at large. they are erasing black culture. they are erasing people of color in general. when you say, it's my life better off? what are the policies that you're actually rooting for. just being cruel to the people that you don't like somehow doesn't actually work in the long term. it doesn't put more money in people's pockets. it doesn't put more food in their kitchen cabinets. so i'm confused, really, by ron desantis saying that there is a culture of losing. because everyone that he has backed is a loser. right? because they his policies. >> exactly. >> that don't translate outside of the state of florida.

>> talk to us, eugene, about these politico report from your colleagues. and the concerns you are hearing from possible non ballot republican candidates. i don't know if you perhaps have any insight, or a reporting on perhaps what your colleagues are hearing from somebody like mitch mcconnell. is someone like mitch mcconnell worried about a repeat of what we saw the last election cycle? >> yeah, mitch mcconnell is probably the most worried about that. even more so than the candidates themselves. because it makes his job much harder if he's in the minority, right? this is something we heard from him then, and this is also what my colleagues reported we heard from republicans in 2022. they would not come on any television channel and say it. but they knew, and they were worried about what was going to happen as donald trump was endorsing these candidates and donald trump endorsed candidates were going to win. now we can actually get him possibly being extra on the ballot. for them, that's even worse. i will say, to go back to ron desantis for a second, but he also campaigned for blake

masters, adam laxalt, joe day in colorado, he also endorsed don bullock and herschel walker in georgia. all of those candidates lost. it's not just about his policies. he's also choosing some of these candidates who end up losing. the culture of losing is not just donald trump's to carry on his back. for republicans. it's as you say, these candidates who are seen by the majority of folks in the state, not across the country, but in some of these states, as too concerning. especially after roe v. wade came down. abortion changed the game for a lot of these candidates. that's going to continue as we head into 2024. >> this is why we love having you on the show. because you always bring the facts and the receipts. not naming names and reminding us as well, ron desantis is losing picks here. rotimi, i've gotta ask you as we discussed earlier. republicans seem more focused on investigations than legislation. how is that going to change their prospects? if they're a party that is just simply preoccupied with hunter biden investigations, joe biden investigations, basically nonsense investigations.

how does that factor into this? >> well, i think what's going to happen is these down ballot races are going to get worse and worse for them. then at the same time, they're going to continue till recruit bad candidates. because if you're putting a message out there that is this far right culture war-y kind of stuff. that doesn't really relate to people. the candidates that you're going to bring in are going to be parroting these talking points. the candidate can do all they can to continue to get worse and worse. they really have to change something, because it's not going to get any better at all. >> danielle, with donald trump actively avoiding conversations about abortion, do you think that even he tacitly believes that republicans have a culture of losing when it comes to this issue and more? >> i don't know how he's avoiding it. he was just talking about the fact that it was his supreme court justice picks that got roe v. wade done. >> he wants to thread the needle. he wants to have it both ways.

he wants to show evangelicals that he's the one that got it done, but he also wants to be prepared that when he gets to the general race, he can turn around and say to women all across the country, we've got to do it differently. we can't just do it the way republicans did at the last two years. >> they all want to have it the way that they want. it right? you have ron desantis talking in iowa. look at what i've done in florida. then he goes to new hampshire where they actually permit women to have autonomy over their bodies, and then he doesn't mention abortion at all. the democratic party needs to remind american people why we are in this predicament. why we have a patchwork of rights, and bodily autonomy in this country. it isn't because of democrats. it's because of republicans. it's because of donald trump's three supreme court justices that he got to pick. >> panel, please stick around. coming up, chris christie, mike pence, both set to announce their presidential bids. not sure who's going to vote for them, but we'll see. that's both of them in contention for our worst of the week. stick around.

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worst of the week. tonight's edition is a battle of the republican come back towards. first up, former new york, new jersey, excuse me, governor chris christie, one of donald trump's earliest backers in 2016 after dropping out of the race himself. remember this hostage video from trump's super tuesday victory speech? christie always seemed as conflicted about trump as he looked.

criticizing him throughout his presidency before helping trump prepare for the 2020 debates, but by 2021, christie said he couldn't support trump anymore. because of the big lie. now he's expected to announce that he is running for president in 2024. against his former boss. next up, former vice president, mike pence. who is also expected to announce a 2024 run next week. same mike pence who stood by trump throughout his entire presidency. every single step of the way. and only distanced himself after trump encouraged a violent mob to storm the capitol on january the 6th. while mike pence was inside the building. but more recently, pence has downplayed trump civil sexual abuse verdict. he's refused to speak to the january six committee, despite condemning trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. look, let's be clear here. there is a close to zero chance that chris christie or mike pence will be the republican presidential nominee. but that's not the point here.

the point is that both of these men are nothing more than opportunists who only attempt to separate themselves from trump when it is politically expedient. that is what i fear will happen this time around. they're going to stand on their own, and denounced trump on the campaign trail. until they need to, or want to fall in line. we've seen it time and time again. then they will willingly jump back on board the trump train, if he wins the nomination. let's bring back my panel, danielle, you're up first. who do you have, who's your pick, worst of the week? >> it's always so difficult. they're both abysmal human beings. >> that's the purpose of the segment, danielle. >> i know. i'm going to go with, i'm gonna go with mike pence. the reason for that is i'm confused about who is constituency is. half of those people wanted to kill him. they brought a callow on capitol hill, chanting's name

-- i think is confused that they were chanting his name for him. they wanted to kill him. i'm confused about who his constituency is. who he is going after. and if he can't stand up to donald trump, a man that literally told people to go and kill his vice president of the united states, then i don't see how he's going to win them over at all. >> rotimi, who do you have. >> that's a tough one. i'm gonna go with chris christie. i think the blatant corruption he showed when he was governor of new jersey, with the bridge gate scandal means he should not touch the white house with a ten foot pole, to be honest. for me it's gonna be chris christie. >> you've got to admit, by that standard, donald trump is -- just bridge gate looks like a parking ticket compared to a donald trump has allegedly been accused of. >> you're right, you're definitely right. oh yeah. >> i didn't mean to cut you off. go ahead if you want to finish your thought on that. >> no, i mean yeah, i think that just shows on such a little level, kind of how he views politics and the role of governor. trump is ten times worse, of

course, but i think chris christie, i don't even think he's going to make it past 5%. but in an alternate universe, in the multi verse, he shipped from the nominee and becomes the president in some other oil. i think he'd do an awful job. i think he'd be as corrupt. >> i was gonna say, that's very generous of you. eugene, give me your thoughts. what do you think is worth of the week here between these two. what do you think is driving someone like chris christie to run? is it an actual belief that he can win? or is it because he wants a, i don't know, a new book deal? public speaking gig? maybe he's hoping that you end up in the trump cabinet if trump wins reelection, or a cushy ambassadorship. what do you think is at play here? >> both of these guys have a really tough path forward. i have to say, mike pence probably has the hardest. when you talk to people who do focus groups with the republican voters, especially people who are at the base of the republican party, they hate

mike pence. it's not just that they're irritated with him. they hate him because donald trump told them to hate him. that is, that's gonna be a struggle this entire time. it's gonna be very interesting how he tries to carve out a path. it's unclear, like was just set, who his constituency is. it doesn't seem like it's the current republican party. chris christie was motivating him, people, these are folks who want to be part of the conversation. it might be as simple as that. being a part of the conversation is really important to a lot of these politicians. most of these folks know that they are not going to win, right? if you set them down and gave them some veritaserum from harry potter, and gave him some truth serum, they would tell you that they're not gonna win. but they want to be a part of the conversation. chris christie knows he's not gonna be in the cabinet. donald trump hates him to now because of how far he's been, quote unquote, disloyal to donald trump since january six. so i think that what you're going to see is donald, or him,

if it gets on the debate stage, chris christie is going to attack donald trump, attack a lot of the folks to be seen as that tough guy, they get some of that back. >> i'm going to go out of the options here that we have, this is more of a broader question, danielle. do you think honestly there is a republican who thinks they have a path to this white house through trump voters? does tim scott really think he's going to win? i know chris christie doesn't think he's going to win. i know that nikki haley doesn't think she's going to win. mike pence, probably thinks he's gonna win. but it's definitely not gonna win. and i don't think that ron desantis thinks at his core that he has a compelling shot. >> there's also one person that you forgot, who is the most those are not at the entire troop right now. which is vivek ramaswamy who wants to ban people at the age of 25 and younger from being able to vote, unless they want to go into the military. he's somebody who believes because of this business credo that he has some sort of chance in hell. but he doesn't.

when i look at this clown car, and i don't know if any attempt really think that they have a real shot. but i think vivek is the most delusional of the group. >> rotimi, in order to qualify to participate in the first rnc debate every presidential hopeful will have to sign a pledge to support the nominee. christie has already said he will not support trump if he's the nominee. pence may have to pledge support to the man who almost got him attacked and killed on january 6th. what do you think has trump backed them into a corner? because he says he's not gonna sign it, at least as of now. >> yeah, i think he runs the republican party. he's going to make them do whatever he says. that's been his m o from the beginning. we're gonna see the debate happen. he's gonna get on the debate stage he's gonna call them names, he's gonna make fun of them. they are all gonna turn right. we all know what's gonna happen. he's gonna win the nomination. for trump, this is just him again flexing his muscle and showing that his radical ideology controls republican party. there you have it, it was that

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