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it's sunday june 4th. i'm ali velshi. after we can revelations regarding the special counsel jack smith classified documents investigation we got more news this morning about the future of that case. and we see news has exclusively learned that the federal grand jury that has been hearing evidence in that case will reconvene this week after a recent lol in proceeding. the purpose of the grand jury's upcoming meeting is unclear. it's not necessarily an indication that smith and his team are prepared to seek an indictment just yet. the justice department would not comment on the investigations status but previous reporting from out what's like the wall street journal has indicated that smith is wrapping up that part of his investigation that quote in recent weeks prosecutors working for smith have completed interviews with nearly every employee at donald trump's florida home. from top political aides to maintain staff. as the head of a large organization that's been one of the don trump has had an unhealthy fixation and unrealistic expectations of loyalty from his employees and

others. within his inner circle. when he entered the white house, unwavering loyalty was something he also expected from the public servants. employed by the federal government. but that expectation of loyalty to him instead of to the constitution was a skirmish on his presidency right from the beginning. six years ago, this week, former fbi director james comey appeared before the senate intelligence committee to testify a partly about his abrupt firing after opening an investigation into trump's campaign possible collusion with russia. comey told the panel about a meeting that he had had with trump's one week after trump's inauguration during which the president told the fbi director quote i need loyalty. i expect loyalty. trump soon appointed christopher wray to replace coney but trump soured on ryan flow to the possibility of firing him as well. according to politico, trump's ire at ray was episodic. flaring up whenever the low-key fbi chief crossed his radar. congressional testimony on

russia always a sensitive top -- subject could provoke trump's anger. could raise pronouncement on election security or his defenses of the foreign intelligence surveillance act allowed the former president blame for enabling democrats opposed to spying on his 2016 campaign. and quote. ray outlast of the trump administration and remains in this position as fbi director to this day. he remains under intense scrutiny not just by the former president but also by trump's powerful republican allies in congress. even the florida governor ron desantis trump's main rival for the 2024 republican nomination has vowed to fire wray on day one if he were become president. trump's expectations of loyalty from others within the federal government continue to risk tenure. and continues to cause problems for him to this day. according to the new york times, special counsel jack smith's other trump investigation. the one involving january 6th and the efforts to overturn the election is reviewing the

events surrounding the firing of this man, chris -- krebs was dismissed just days after the agency that he had released a statement proclaiming the 2020 elections quote the most secure in american history. end quote. an assertion that was in direct opposition to trump's unfounded assertion that the election was stolen from him. despite all of that trump is unchanged. he's not been humbled by the handful of an ongoing criminal investigations targeting him. instead he embarks on another run for the white house and remains the front runner for the republican nomination. he's emboldened to get back into office and to purge the federal government of the people who have been investigating him. according to new reporting by austin -- and rolling stone this week, trump and his team have been working to identify the fbi agents another justice department personnel who were involved in those investigations with the intention of dismissing them should trump win the presidency again. among the list of people who trump would fire at the outset

of a possible second term is in fact christopher wray. the man the trump himself tasked to become the fbi director back in 2017. joining me now is jennifer reuben, opinion writer for the washington post. she's also an msnbc political analysts, host of the podcast general green room also author of the book resistance, how women save democracy from donald trump. and joining us is the aforementioned reporter, asawin suebsaeng, he's a senior political reporter for rolling stone electorally university of cincinnati and author of the book sinking the swamp. how trump's minions and misfits poisoned washington. welcome to both. a view thank you for being with us. let me start with you because this article that you written fits into so much of the reporting we understand to be true about donald trump and claiming to be people's retribution. wants to start with himself. he wants to be his retribution. you wrote in the report for rolling stone. about the work that trump's people are doing. how serious is this effort. what is this. or realist of people who are gonna be ousted from government once trump gets reelected if he

gets reelected. >> that's 1000 percent what they are trying to form right now. it is a serious endeavor. i'm not just among trump himself but within his broader political appointment. it's not just from the reporting we have in the story. from anonymous sources here and there. but also from some of the people who in our story are saying these things on the record. they are not shy about doing this. as we reporting the story, trump himself as masking some of his key lieutenants and close political allies and activists who are very close to him do we know all of the names of the senior fbi and doj personnel and attorneys who are leading the charge into these multiple federal probes in to begin. obviously the idea is to one day. one of his second term if he gets a second term. if he returns to power to oust them and clear them out from the federal government. as immediately and as quickly as possible. some of these people have told him look we don't know everybody. some of them are publicly

available for working on getting you a list that you can do what you need to do with it. when or if the time comes. one of the people who spoke to us on the record is close trump ally, tom, fedoras organization -- he said yes he's trying to find the names of the doj personnel everybody who is detailed or working for jack smith's special counsel investigation. he says unfortunately for him doj has been stonewalling him. he's been going through the regular litigation patterns to try to get as many names as he can we've been told by different source what direction -- doj is not making it easy for a team trump is that before the special counsel jack smith was appointed they would put names of lawyers and personnel working on the investigations into emails they would send to lawyers for a possible subjects or targets of stead

investigations. after jack smith was appointed. initials and online organizations sort of period is doj's. so there you go. >> jennifer, pull back out of this when administration change. lots of officials and agencies change. what do you read into this that's different from the reporting? either since reporting or donald trump himself saying i'm your retribution. the keeping a bliss. how should we look at this? how much of this is really serious and weirdly polarizing and how much of this is what governments do? there is a distinction between people who are political appointees at who as you say -- there is a group of people who are the permanent worker bees in the government who do their job, ordinary fbi agents. lawyers throughout the justice

department. those people are not a subject to the political whims of the new administration. the reason why we have a civil service. the reason why we have gotten away from this patronage system that was infamous in the -- weiyi value a non-corruptible professional public civil service that does the peoples business. that is loyal to the people and the constitution. not to donald trump. for example, many people have criticisms about christopher wray. and democrats think he blew it on january six. there is lots of reasons why president might get rid of him. but to systematically go through for the purpose of enacting revenge for your own personal justification is the epitome of what autocrats are doing. it is an attack on the rule of law. trump is not only try to get rid of all the people who went after him. he's planning on pardoning himself. this is a complete --

this is what dictators do. this is what autocrats do. i think republicans as they entered the beginning of the primary season. have to really think twice. this is not just about defending trump from the mainstream media. this is about putting someone in office who's declared purpose is to essentially undermined the rule of law. that is serious stuff. republicans have to think twice before they think about bringing the sky back in. office >> does a distinction. there are eventually retribution. to some people, you can get your head around why trump would do that. this becomes a little interesting in that trump has got a lot of supporters in amongst republicans and congress for this. there's talk in this death ceiling being about to defunding the fbi. this targeting of the fbi. i think jennifer's point is valid. there are a lot of people across this country who don't like the fbi no matter where you are on the political spectrum. it is become a political target. some of these government agencies and some of these investigators at the doj that become political targets not just for trump and his group

but somehow this is extended out to republicans supporting in congress. >> with donald trump and so much the mainstream of the elite in the republican party, there is a sort of misnomer that they tried to pretend -- they are anti deep state, anti fbi, anti doj -- whatever they constantly say. that is absolutely not true. donald trump and his cronies are a pro deep state. it's just so they want a deep state to be entirely populated with trump loyalists. and with mockup people. they want the fbi and doj to be -- brimming with people who are -- basically exactly like it. this isn't some civil libertarian or so-called principle critique they're making. the only principle here is we need to be loyal to donald trump. and the republican party. and only go after and harass our enemies. not there. on top of that, if you ask your

average rank and file a high-profile trump supporter whether a lawmaker in capitol hill or a longtime republican activists. you present them with some of the things including one element to do the reporting we had and rolling stone. the thing that i've heard most consistently as a non record responses that sounds good. it doesn't go far enough. that's the terrain of debate. >> how does this happen, jennifer? how do we get from a party that doesn't want big government, doesn't want government involved and stuff. to what is feeling a little bit like mccarthy-ism in a weird way or it's this politicized targeting. at some point they've got to be enough republicans to say this is not what we do. >> elise mccarthy-ism has a purpose of finding enemies of the united states and protecting the national security. it was misguided but this is worse. this is simply protecting

donald trump a single individual. they seized the cult of personality. this is the descent into authoritarianism, into a top or see that the republican party has been honest since they rallied around donald trump. principles like the rule of law and limited government have simply gone by the wayside. u.s. -- is there anyone else to vote for the traditional so-called conservative values like the rule of law. i think when you have a very large percentage, not just a plurality but a majority of republican primary voters who want him back in office. who want him to bark on these revenge tactics. then i think we have to say the party as a whole has become the province of right wing autocrats. that poses a substantial threat to american democracy. >> still can't believe we continue to talk about this but we do when i thank you both for joining me for this conversation this morning. jennifer reuben a subpoena

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o w curly purchased 40 acres of land and tulsa oklahoma and named it greenwood. greenwood speculation was made up mainly of formerly enslaved black people who wish to escape the racial terror that they experienced elsewhere. in search of a better life all in the civil war. currently open a black boarding house and grocery store recently sold well into other black people allowing them to secure their own homes and open their own businesses. word spread about the opportunities of black oklahomans flock to clean would. the green or destroyed operated independently. had its own school system, post office, bank, library, hospital, public transit. tons of businesses. restaurants, hotels, clothing stores. movie theaters and barber shops. it was affectionately nicknamed black wall street. and no, time tulsa's greenwood district became one of the most affluent african american communities in the united states. in the early 20th century. the community built by black people for black people. what took years to build burned to the ground in one day.

worried is spread about black prosperity. particularly the white residents who resented it and saw the black community as inferior. there was a resurgent of the ku klux klan. lengthening -- lynchings, proliferated across the country. black voting rights were under attack in oklahoma. on may 30th 1921, 102 years ago last week. 19-year-old dick rohan -- blac chyna was accused of sexually assaulting a white women in an elevator. the accounts of what really happened very. but when rohan was arrested an angry mob of white men marched to the courthouse demanding that he'd be handed over to them for a lynching. chaos broke out over the next few days. the angry armed white mob multiplied and now numbered a group of black men. who had gathered to try to guard dick roland. as dawn pro country first 1921, to thousands of white citizens descended on the greenwood district. businesses were looted an area of 35 city blocks. burned to the ground. and stories estimate about 300

black greenwood residents were killed. it is one of the worst incidents of racial violence in american history. until recently, what elise known. the history of the tulsa race massacre was buried along with the unmarked graves of some of the victims. the cover-up began all the way back in 1921. when the tulsa tribune or moved its inflammatory front page story of dick roland's arrest from its archive. historians later found out that the police and state militia archives were also missing. for decades, the tulsa massacre was overlooked in classrooms even in oklahoma. the state has included the tulsa race massacre in its academic standards since 2002. the standard and say what teachers should teach and how they should teach it. little if any time was ever spent on the topic. it wasn't until 2019 that oklahoma's education department embedded what was to be covered and how in the states academic standards. 300 black people murdered by a white mob. a thriving black community race

by white rioters who took nearly 100 years for that story to be adequately told in classrooms. if you think that piece of history is now safely preserved in oklahoma schools and libraries, think again. two years ago oakland governor kevin stitt signed a bill that bans the teaching of critical race theory in schools. every time we bring up crt, i gotta remind you. it's an academic theory that since racism is ingrained in the history of the united states. it's taught in college, not in elementary schools. it's a legal theory. it's become the catchall for the right to try to suppress conversation about racism in america everywhere including in schools. the oklahoma bill bans teachers from promoting the idea that quote and individual by virtue of his or her race or sex is inherently racist, sexist or oppressive whether consciously or unconsciously, and quote. critics of the law of many educators say the target teachers from discussing oklahoma is fraud racial past. at the time the bill was signed in 2021, right around the 100th

anniversary of the tulsa race massacre. congressman jim clyburn of south carolina address the house floor saying quote as a former history teacher, i often quote coric santa ana who said those who can't remember the past are condemned to repeat it. the tulsa race massacre is a prime example of inflaming issues and ignoring history. they both a significantly lead to the inability and failure to learn the lessons that history can teach us. the game changing new plan that lets her pick exactly what she wants, and save on every perk. sadie's getting her plan ready for a big trip. travel pass, on. nice iphone 14 pro! cute couple. trips don't last forever. neither does summer love. so, sadie's moving on. apple music? check. introducing myplan. the first and only unlimited plan to give you exactly what you want, so you only pay for what you need. and get iphone 14 pro on us when you switch. it's your verizon. my most important kitchen tool? my brain. so i choose neuriva plus. unlike some others,

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pointed. you think we've understood there was a thriving black community that was burned down and destroyed. because of racism and the end of slavery. >> thank you very much. we have not gotten to the point. tulsa happened in 1921. you have to remember. that was a year or. the presidency of woodrow wilson engineered. woodrow wilson. here in my congressional district in columbia south carolina. woodrow wilson will allow the -- birth of a nation to be shown in the white house. all of that lead -- up to tell sign. and it was tulsa the clue clicks clan that had been outlawed by the force act. back in the 1860s. they had gone really underground if anywhere. tulsa rekindled all of that.

and you had a presidency me that -- gave birth to the attitude that led to -- that's why we have to not just to look at the facts. we should look at what led up to these things. we had the hamburg massacre here in south carolina. that came about because of people like red hampton. who gave the -- authorization to people to do these things. when you see people like this. critical race theory. talking about university or college theory. allow it to be practiced in the political arena. you are flirting with some murillo catastrophic properties. that's why we have to reject this stuff from desantis and other people. >> let me ask you about a

differing catastrophe. one averted. that's the debt ceiling where a few days out now from the bill passing. we have the signage of the bill yesterday by the president. how do you feel about this. kudos to everybody in leadership who got this done. there are a lot of people in different parts of political spectrum including some progressive democrats who feel that the trade-offs were larger than they would've liked. >> i'm in the group it feels that this was not what we would've done. if we were all in charge. but you know we have to recognize that within the government. we are in a divided government. 51% of the how this is republican. 51% of the senate's democrat. and we've got a presidency that is subjected to a lot of filibustering that can take place on the senate floor. you are trying to find common ground. see what you can do and

hopefully come back and do -- i applaud the president for finding common ground. and i applaud the leadership of both the house and the senate. that is to say speaker mccarthy and president schumer for finding common ground -- we have added up in a very terrible place if we allow this debt ceiling to go unchecked. >> moments ago, what leader mccarthy was on fox. he's bringing that something that i find interesting. kudos to everybody for getting a job done but he said on fox we repeal the 1.4 billion dollars they would've spent on hiring new irs agents this year. so no new agents are being hired. i think the money would be better used instead of hiring irs agents than hiring four to patrol agents. irs agents were there to collect on tax cheats most regular working people are not taxes because there's no way from us regular people to cheat

on their taxes. it comes off their paycheck and get sent to the government. the idea i don't extend what the benefit days of hiring fewer irs agents but this is a political thing. if you are irs agents, more border agents. >> because he is appealing to the were -- wealthy class that they were allowing there to get away. which hitting other taxis. remember what we did. when we passed 50 -- inflation reduction act. whichever one of those bills. he increased about 80 billion dollars for the irs. it was around -- in this agreement, that was reduced to 60 billion dollars. we still 60 billion dollars more than we were before we passed that bill. i don't know where you get this numbers from. rather than spending anything planned several months ago. we're gonna spend 60

billion-dollar increase. that is what he's posting about. i don't think his numbers are quite correct. i think that's what i said is what really happened. >> congressman, good to see. you think virginia this morning. congressman jim clyburn of south carolina csis democratic leader in the house of representatives and more. partly for my purposes former history teacher. thank you, sir. >> thank you very much for having me. >> coming up. one adult house from gunnar was gathered in iowa this week. dare to speak to former presidents name. notably absent for the festivities. was on the minds of voters. who voiced concerns about supporting him again. there are not the concerns you might think. might think. but as you get older, it naturally begins to change, causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. thankfully, the breakthrough in prevagen helps your brain and actually improves memory. the secret is an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown

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on a safer ground near des moines iowa. and we seasoned hillyard has all the details. >> a growing republican field to take on joe biden for president kicking off the summer campaigning yesterday and iowa. >> i tell you what to do something, i'll do. it >> notably absent, the former president. >> would you say that don trump is not here? >> i'm happy to be here. i love the people here. i think this is a great event. >> senator joni leading the roast in right. former vice president mike pence is not yet a candidate but writing yesterday. and expected to announce his challenge of trump this week. >> i expect we'll be back in iowa on wednesday. >> a few more times after that? >> it's entirely possible. >> eight months from the iowa caucus, candidates just introducing themselves. >> are you gonna caucus for? i'm >> mingling, it with haley, members among the crowds. >> mr. desantis your guy? >> i'm a totally listening right now. i have not made up my mind at all. >> you've got two candidates.

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settled freedoms involving bodily integrity, familial relationships and appropriation and quote. the dissent went on to say that additional constitutional rights are now in danger. including americans right to contraception and to same sex marriage. the supreme court's assault on these long establish rights rests on the fact that the court no longer has a 90 logical center. half of the 6 to 3 conservative majority was appointed by donald trump. earning the moniker the trump court. as a result, americans are contending with the most political and activists judicial bench in more than nine decades. with the current court having issued more conservative decisions this term than at any time since 1931 according to the data gather by professor easily epstein of washington university and kevin quinoline of our city a michigan. conservatives prevailed in 62% of the course scission. handing down sweeping decisions overturning a long-standing precedent. today, we're gonna look at three issues of the court will consider. the outcomes of which similarly

could threaten the long-standing rights of millions of americans. the supreme court is expected to hand down decisions in each of these cases in the coming weeks. one of those cases, allen versus milligan. concerns the voting rights of alabama's black residents. a group of black voters and fraternization's suit alabama in 2021. asserting that the district map approved by the state legislature dilutes the votes of the states black residents who make up 27% of the states population and the courts going aside whether alabama's congressional map violates section two of the voting rights act which prohibits discrimination -- discriminatory election laws and procedures. the outcome of the case could make it harder for communities of color around the country to rely on that voting rights act to ensure a fair representation. we'll look at two sister cases involving affirmative action. the supreme court is set to rule on whether colleges universities can continue to consider race as part of their admissions process. both cases here, one against

harvard and the other against university of north carolina for filed by students for affair admissions which is a group formed by edward bloom. a conservative legal activist who spent years fighting to overturn affirmative action. the harvard case asserts that the schools use of affirmative action unlawfully discriminates against asian american applicants. similarly, the case against university of north carolina asserts that the school discriminates against white and asian american applicants. we're gonna take a look at a colorado case as well it's called 303 creative versus elena's. concerning weather creative professionals are obligated to accept commissions for work from same-sex couples regardless of their religious views on such unions. this suit was filed by lori smith, our graphics designer who said that colorado's public accommodations law which forbids discrimination based on sexual orientation violates her first amendment rights. smith's lawyers argue that forcing a graphic designer to create websites for same-sex unions violates her free speech

rights by forcing her to express a message that conflicts with her religious beliefs. advocates worry that this case could chip away at the right to same sex marriage established in 2015. a decision that to the court justices have openly questioned. legal experts warn the case could open the door to legalize discriminations of other groups like blacks of jews and muslims. decisions on each of these cases are expected to come down any day now. so to come back, i will talk to the smartest people i know about what's at stake in each one of them. one of them. needs. she picks only the perks she wants and saves on every one! all with an incredible new iphone. get iphone 14 pro on us when you switch. it's your verizon. age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv he snores like an angry rhino now you've never heardbon® bakeran angry rhinovor.

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i figured out that a really long complicated explanation, that nobody left including my guest. but they stayed. we appreciate that. the president ceo of the national women's law center and the president and national women's loss interaction fund. also with us, most are -- law professor at nyu former law clerk to judge sonia sotomayor. and i met -- legal analyst. thanks both of you are seeing around. we're doing our best as a lawyer to try and make sense of these. new shows on the three issues because they're really big in the really important and they will have an impact on a lot of other things. i'll start with you. with the alabama case, one might think i got nothing to do with alabama. what happens in this case is actually really important on a lot of other levels for a lot of other people. >> this is massive. also for context. we've had a barn burner but supreme court turned like we had last term. it's usually customary for the

court to lay low for a bed. have a more muted term. now when you have a 63 conservative super majority. you are going to be the eagle corners meekly -- you're gonna make the most of that conservative super majority. this case allen versus milligan's enormous because it turns on this question of section two in the voting rights act. you remember in 2013, at the court dismantled the voting rights act -- shelby county versus holder. the chief justice was a great pains to note that even though they were dismantling preclearance. section two remained of the voting rights act. that was a very potent way for individuals to litigate discriminatory voting practices. in 2021, in -- democratic national committee. the supreme court supermajority. first flexed it's muscles. hobbling, chipping away at such -- now it's prepared to do this again. it has real consequences for racial gerrymandering and other efforts to dissolute, defuse the boats of minority voters. we've already seen this an action. as you said, this map has fraud

in 2021. in march of february 2022. the supreme court allowed this gerrymandered map to go into effect. to be used in the midterm elections. part of what we saw. the loss of the house to the republican party was due in part to those kinds of gerrymandered maps that we saw in effect the supreme court allowed to take place. we're going to see more of this. if this laws dismantled, we're gonna see it become more advanced, more celebrated it's gonna have a real effect on democracy. >> we are learning another thing this case does is indicate to a lot of people in every temper something that the supreme court does a lot of people don't like and they asked the president to do. he says yet to vote. you have to change these things in congress. not sure that's always the answer but it does seem that when it comes to some of these basic rights issues that may be something that american have to register. >> all of this is a part of really a decades-long strategy to first staff accordantly extremist judges. then make it harder for people to vote. and then elect lawmakers who

put forward really narrow and unpopular agenda and i think we're finally seeing this play out in these terms for what is happening in the states that feels radical and our step with the public. it's also playing out in front of these courts. >> let's discuss this other affirmative action issue. it's two cases that was -- it's the same idea. same plaintiffs but they're treating us two cases. when it's harvard won, against university in north carolina. the idea is both -- said they do use race to be determined in their makeup of their class. the argument is that that discriminates against -- asian american students. melissa, what's your take? >> we have to be clear. these are rates here is race alongside a wealth of other factors including work experience, family circumstances. well, socioeconomic status. it's not just race by itself. it's the holistic view of the candidate and all of the things

that make an individual an individual. so the question here is whether the university of north carolina public school violates equal protection clause when it considers race and weather harvard university which is a private school violates said all six of the civil rights act. when it considers race. it's different cases for radical reason. if they were consolidated as a single case, justice jackson who is this a newest member of the court would not be able to participate in either of those consolidated. now they're separated, she's were cues from the harvard case because she was on the harvard board of overseers. this has the potential to completely transform the landslide of higher education. the question of whether or not the fort -- 14 amendment wasn't to be race blind or whether this amendment wishes passing the wake of the american civil war for the purpose of bringing african americans into the body politic as citizens is completely race neutral. that's the question the courts answering. you've already guess what i think about this but this court seems poised to say that this amendment. that was passed in the wake of

the civil war has absolutely nothing to do with racial justice. >> i guess for team of the problem is that this is one of those things where it's probably easier for people to say if affirmative action is struck down as a relates to college admission are there other spheres of civic light american which this could set a precedent? >> for sure. i think we want to think about what it would mean for colleges. the reason colleges consider raises one of the many factors that they're turning -- a chief student body that a more diverse. and they do that for the students that are on their campus. they do that because they see themselves as preparing leaders for the future. leaders for workplaces. leaders who are elected officials. over the last 20 years, supreme court has upheld the source of affirmative action policies four times. this would be the court upending what it has been long-standing practices in a number of spaces. >> melissa, let's talk about these same sex unions. graphic designer in colorado.

303 creative. arguing that making websites for same-sex couples violates her free speech protections in the constitution. >> first of all, it's not unclear why the court is even hearing this case. this was a designer has been asked to make a website for anything six couple. this is a purely speculative dispute. to the kindest view that ordinarily would be dismissed on the grounds there is our jurisdiction. not when you're at the yellow court. you have a 6 to 3 conservative super majority and you have an agenda to prosecute. the court is going to decide this case and it seems very likely for moral argument that they're going to decide in favor of the website designer that being forced to comply with antidiscrimination laws that require people in the public sphere doing business to serve all comers violates her rights to free speech. to see that basically compels her to say she support same-sex unions even though she as a christian evangelical does not. it doesn't have a meaningful effect on whether or not states can recognize same sex marriages but as you can imagine, if you were same-sex

couple and you can see the same kinds of services that everyone else can in the public sphere. it really narrows the way in which you can live your life and enjoy your relationship. we saw last term justice thomas signaling that he would be willing to rethink over the -- the 2015 decision that legalized same sex marriage. this won't do away with that. it will make it harder for same-sex marriage living in the public sphere. >> these are complicated cases but we appreciate you making them accessible for our viewers. thanks to both of you for team a -- president seniority -- melissa murray's law professor and why even former law clerk to the judge sunday said it may or also msnbc legal analyst. straight ahead, with all trump reacting to new developments and multiple investigations that are closing in on him. at the 2024 presidential races increasingly being cast in a high stakes atmosphere of promise retribution and the looming threat of a weaponize federal government. another hour of velshi begins right now. right now.

>> i'm ali velshi. it's been to be more in special counsel jack smith investigation into donald trump's mishandling of classified documents. nbc news is because we where the federal grand jury that's been hearing the evidence of that case will reconvene this coming week after a recent lull in proceedings. members the grandeur use upcoming meetings not yet clear it's, not necessarily indication that smith and his team are prepared to seek an indictment right now. the justice department would not comment on the investigation status. previous reported from how it's like the wall street journal has indicated that smith is wrapping up that part of his investigation. that in recent weeks prosecutors working for smith have completed interviews with nearly every employee at don't promise florida home from top political aides to maintenance staff. head of a large organization, it's been a well known that donald trump has had an unhealthy fixation and an unrealistic expectation of loyalty from his employees and others within his inner circle. when he entered the white house, unwavering loyalty was something he also expected from

the public servants employed by the federal government. that expectation of loyalty to him in service of the constitution was a scourge on his presidency right from the beginning. six years ago this, week the former fbi director james comey appeared before the senate intelligence committee to justify partly about his abrupt firing after opening investigations into donald trump's campaign of possible collusion with russia. he told a panel about a meeting that he had had with trump just one week after his inauguration. during which the president told the fbi director quote i need a loyalty. i expect a loyalty. trump soon appointed christopher wray to replace comey but trump soured on ray and floated the possibility of firing him as well. according to politico quote trump's ire and ray was episodic. flaring up whenever the low-key fbi chief crosses radar. congressional testimony in russia always a sensitive subject could provoke trump's anger. so could race pronouncements on election security or a defenses of the