wait, and then declare the moment of sobriety once the economy was saved by democrats. that is a beautiful contrast for joe biden, and a presidential cycle to show confidence, versus chaos. this is a good week for joe biden. well good before joe biden, and again, kevin mccarthy claiming a good. we will see how it all plays out as we always do. good to see you all. thank you so much. brittani, susan, david. good to see you. that's gonna do it for me on this edition of alex but reports, also you again next saturday at noon eastern. my friend -- continues our coverage. just mark it on the calendar. k it on the calendar >> hey, everybody, good to see, a six seconds earlier. good afternoon, i'm yasmin vossoughian, nbc news exclusive, information on a grand jury meeting this week in the special counsel's investigation of donald trump, raising speculation, a charging

decision could be coming soon, that's prompting a warning to prosecutors from former fbi director, jim comey, on why with jen psaki today. >> trump comes for the rule of law, the system of justice, and the agencies with a flame thrower. he will come and try to criticize and attack your family, your witnesses, there are no limits to what he will try to do to obstruct an effort to hold him accountable. >> no limits. also, a scary scene at sea, a chinese warship coming with 150 yards of an american destroyer. a provocative action that is the white house reacting. back slaps and finger-pointing, the followed on capitol hill from the debt relief bill playing out on the sunday show. >> we just stopped them from hiring any irs agents and we also took another 20 billion, going into the future. >> both sides to come together, i give kevin, mccarthy, and his

team doing credit for doing what he -- what he does and can do best, it's bringing people together. >> i'm in the group that thinks this is not what we would've done if we were all in charge. >> a lot of people voted for this because we have other interest than kevin mccarthy has assured them. it doesn't mean they're satisfied with his leadership. it doesn't mean they're happy about the fact that they had to vote for this. >> and from the signing of the debt bill to big new jobs numbers, we're gonna look at the winning week for the president that could help him in 2024. all of that plus act of defiance. disney starts pride month with the annual gay days at their parks, despite threats and bullying from the florida governor. we're gonna take you there live as well. first though, we begin with that exclusive reporting from nbc news, revealing the grand jury and former president, trump's classified documents case is expected to meet again this week in washington after a

brief lull and activity. federal prosecutors have been presenting the grandeur with evidence and witness testimony for months now. and all eyes are waiting to see if prosecutors are ready to seek an indictment. joining me now is julia ainsley, more reporting on this. julia, as always, it's great to talk to you thank you for jumping on this for us what is the latest and the expectations for the coming, the gathering of the grand jury on wednesday? >> hey, adam. and yeah, so, we understand the grandeur it will be convening again this week. of course, what that means, it just has everyone making more gases. we know the grand jury, this is specifically in that mar-a-lago case about trump's handling of classified documents there. we know that grandeur's been on a long hiatus and they're coming back. that could mean a number of things. it could mean, as we saw pointed out earlier today that they were simply on the hiatus, they had an expiration of their grandeur, it had to call on the one. it could mean they needed to go

back to key witnesses and it took a while to get those people back and scheduled. it could also mean a report. it could also mean is an indictment. it could be that prosecutors now feel that they've been able to call key witnesses we know they're already working the way up to some really important witnesses and that they've taken this time to be able to gather all the evidence. now, they want to make the case to the grand jury to have them vote and a vote, of course, it would be very likely and indictment it's very easy for a grand jury to indict winter sun lot about the evidence of this case, of how trump handled those documents. and possible destruction charges, the two things really at the heart of what this grand jury will be looking at. a lot of speculation about what is coming back and meeting again might mean. we're not ready to say that means a definite indictment. of course, there's other possibilities on the table. the grand jury process is so secretive that we really don't have a lot of insight into exactly why they're being reconvened now at this point. it certainly has a supporters

and reporters all across washington watching this grandeur very closely. >> so, the former president has a trial set for next year, right? already within the election, i think the question is, if in fact charges come from a possible indictment here, right, could we be looking at the same type of timeline going to trial as well for the former president in this case? >> that is certainly a possibility. we have been trying to gain out what this convening means this week? it does look like an indictment at this point would set them up well to be able to end a trial before the 2024 election, at least give that 60 to 90-day buffer you also hear about that the justice department takes into account, what they don't want to be interfering in an election. they could see this timeline as being very conducive to trying to wrap up this business before the election. >> julia ainsley for us. thank, you julia.

have a good rest of your day. i want to bring an msnbc legal analyst, danny solace, to talk more about this. reading through this nbc news reporting, there were two big questions that stood out to me, right? what essentially prosecutors had to prove here. and i want you to tell me if, in fact, you think the evidence is there, from what we know, obviously, in the public sphere. first and foremost, a trump wrongfully get these documents after he left the white house? number two, did he later obstruct the government's efforts to retrieve them? >> question number one, to some degree, question or two, it really depends on what federal criminal statute you're looking at. and there are some that don't even really require classification or non classification. it is in the fundamental issue to whether there is a crime. one of these is the espionage act. julia ainsley's fine article pointed that out. whether or not it doctrine is classified, if it's potentially harmful and something the government has sought to keep secure, you may be responsible under the espionage act. whether or not the documents

were classified. so, those two questions that you, ask are the key ones. where they wrongfully detained, and afterwards, when there is notice that, hey, these are not your, as you must return them, was there obstruction? so, really, you have a couple of different statutes involved. but to really different fundamental questions. the first one, it could be explained away by mistake. it could be excusable. the problem with the second one -- >> the thing is, the former president has said over and over again that it wasn't a mistake, he thought he had the right to retain these documents, and he knew is classified. he has said that on the record, right? and how much of that is gonna come back to bite him? secondly, when you look at the washington post reporting, quote unquote, dress rehearsals, documents removed, the day before the fbi agent showed up at mar-a-lago. i mean, that says, to me, and i know this is not a court of law, this is television. >> your court is often more stringent than a court of law. >> but that says to me that there was obstruction. >> right, you have a number of good arguments there.

the defense is, if you look at trump's defenses, they have holes in them as well. first, he signaled at least this whole, i can classify anything defense. it isn't very powerful. when he says he can do it by thinking about it. >> it doesn't pass the sniffed has, and of sentiments, right? >> theoretically, if you could do it by thinking about it, goes back to that old saying, an oral contract is not worth the paper is written on. even if you did declassify, them how do we know, other than you just saying so after the fact. that cannot possibly work. that, plus the other, they've already signaled another defense might be, hey, we were cleaning up, it was my underlings, they swept all these documents into a box, oops, now we have these documents. the problem with that and with many of these defenses as the second question, what did you do once there was a signal to you, a clear signal that you should not have these documents? did you hold on to them? did you do so intentionally? now you're building the case for intent. the prosecution's biggest challenge here -- >> we know that already.

>> exactly, well, it's not holding on to them, it's the intent. the fact that he had them could be explained away. the fact maybe that they retained them, you can imagine a situation, factually, that is excusable. the statements he's already made, gives us insight into his intent. and it goes back to the old rule, whether you're the former president or regular white collar criminal, a lot of times these folks make the case for the prosecution with their own words. when donald trump spoke at that town hall, he gave a lot of insight into his intent, which may end up really coming back to bite him. >> and then there is, of course, the tapes that we know exists out there, right? possibly the former president talking about this document that suggests they were looking at attacking iran, right? i want to play for you an interview that jen psaki just had with former fbi director, jim comey. and then i want you to react. >> tapes are amazing for a prosecutor. you cannot cross examine a tape. you cannot call a tape a liar,

a deep state operative. a tape is you saying what you think. it's why they're so valuable in organized crime cases. and they will be so valuable and important to jack smith in this documents case. that's why once said, i hope there are tapes. it's a good thing there are tapes. >> james comey says that from the perspective of a prosecutor who has triumphed when they have tapes. from a defense attorney who has gotten beaten about the head, as was a lawn chair, by tapes, i can tell you, he is right, they're devastating. the problem is exactly that. you may have tapes that are made by someone who is a lying liar. it doesn't matter. if they recorded, it doesn't matter if they're criminal, doesn't matter if they have credibility issues, if they authenticated, they get on the stand and say, i recorded this, that is sewn so's voice, the jury can hear the voice, in this case, we really need to authenticate donald trump swiss, who doesn't know that voice? he's not an unknown quantity. you press play, and it doesn't matter who your witnesses and

how unreliable they are. it is the tape, it is the person's own voice that will bury them. it happens all the time. increasingly so now that prosecutors and fbi have sworn smaller recording devices. what color cases are routinely made with tapes, i can't tell you how powerful they are and how devastating they are as a defense attorney. >> i think it's a matter of days as well? >> you know, if the only reason i say no is because we have been saying any day now the walls are closing in for several years. i have my own personal moratorium on saying it's right around the corner. it could be right around the corner. there, i just did it. >> i'm pushy. -- thank you. coming up next, everybody, a near collision, where back in 60 seconds with china and u.s. leaders reacting to a chinese warship coming dangerously close, within just yards of a u.s. destroyer. we will be right back. bk.ac e. she's on verizon, and she has the new myplan where she gets exactly what she wants and only pays for what she needs. she picks only the perks she wants and saves on every one!

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a close call in international waters. a chinese naval warship reportedly coming in within 150 yards of a u.s. navy destroyer. in forcing it to take an invasive maneuver to avoid a collision. the u.s. destroyer was conducting, a quote, routine passage of the taiwan straight when the incident occurred on saturday. want to bring in nbc's gary who has more information on this. tell us about what happened here, and especially what both u.s. and china's officials are saying. >> sure, i want emphasize what you said there. this was a close call, there is not actually physical contact, but it did come within 150 yards. we know this because it was all caught on camera from a canadian ship, a bunch of journalist on the canadian ship, they're taking a buddy of this. you see on the left side, the ship crossing, that's the chinese ship. you see the ship that's now in the center of your screen, that's the u.s. ship. that ship actually had to slow down as to not come into physical contact with that ship. they were conducting what we're told regular operations in the strait of taiwan.

this is not the first time the u.s. and china have seen, even in the past two weeks, a close close call like this. we thought in the air, over the south china sea. two jets, a u.s. guy and a chinese fighter jet came very close. you see that right there, you can actually see the video start shaking where there was some turbulence caused by that chinese jet. of course, we all remember the chinese spy balloon that was shot down off the coast of the carolinas back a few months ago. there's been a number of moments here that we've seen between the u.s. and china. defense secretary, lloyd austin, said in singapore, at an event over the weekend, he like to talk to the folks in china as soon as possible. >> the right time to talk is now. dialogue is not a reward. it is in the sagacity of. a cordial handshake over dinner

is no substitute for a substantive engagement. >> now, president biden at the g7 in japan said something very similar. he hopes that relationships within china and the u.s. thought very soon. to that point, we learned in the past week or so that cia director took a surprise secret trip to china to do just that. trying to thaw those relations. as? even >> right, gary for us. thank, you gary. the president the first lady are offering prayers to india after friday nights train crash. the death toll sitting at 275. that is a revised number after an official said earlier that more than 300 people were killed. megan fitzgerald is joining us now with more on this. everyone wants to know what happened here. how did so many people die so tragically in this crash? what are we learning? >> he has been, lucky to be a few. we're learning new information today from the indian railways minister who is saying they have a cause for this, and they know the people that are

responsible. they're not elaborating on the people responsible because they think this is still very active, an ongoing investigation. they say the cause was a signal failure, that one passenger train was directed on to the wrong track, they then collided with this parked freight train, heavy iron models, that car did not have much damage to, at the majority of the damage was to that first passenger train where at least ten of those rail cars derailed. debris from the accident one into a nearby track. you have the second train that's coming down in the opposite direction, it collided with that debris, causing its train cars to. guerrilla what -- survivors throughout the last couple of days here, they recount horrifying images that they saw, sounds that they heard. i want to play for you a bit of a conversation i had with one survivor. certainly, a warning here, what he has to say certainly difficult to hear. >> how do you describe what you

saw when you got out of your coach? >> there were headless bodies around, there were several arms lying round, they were -- you can see people crying for help. you can see children looking for their mothers, crying for their mother. >> yeah, this guy tells us these when -- he is absolute trump has. he can't wait just alive. he is one of the lucky ones. you, right now, you have kids looking for their parents. you have family members still looking for their loved ones, there are still hundreds of bodies that have not yet been identified. these folks are holding out hope in the meantime. we just mentioned, you know, we're now getting a death toll of 275, it's down from 288, investigators say you unfortunately counted somebody is twice. this is an absolutely horrific situation that continues to unfold. we'll stay on top of it. >> unbelievable.

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of the beholder, someone who is in the room, i can tell you. i don't like to use the word red line. it was our stance that the debt ceiling had to be dealt with for a longer period of time, we got that, there was not much discussion around that point. that was a core tenant, the white house team went in with. >> all, right that was the office of manage mint and budget director earlier today with jonathan capehart on msnbc, defending the deal that she helped broker speaker mccarthy and his team to raise the debt limit. she's got the only one -- as we've heard from several top lawmakers about this deal. now, officially signed by the president. i want to bring in nbc's julia tsirkin on capitol hill for us. following all the morning talk shows, what more are we hearing today after the signing from the president? >> yasmin, she is not the only

when defending this bill, speaker kevin mccarthy was on fox news this morning doing that as well. he was pressed by the host, over and over again on items that did not end up in the bill, as we heard from some hard right conservatives who are unhappy with the agreement, they actually did not end up voting for it. he defended different provisions in there, he actually pointed to a key part of this fact, the fact that democrats actually did end up supporting this bill, more than republicans had. progressives and that voting against it. take a listen to what more, he said, we'll talk about it on the other side. >> the thing you want to look at is which democrats voted against this? aoc, bernie sanders, the progress is. why did they vote against it? because we did get work requirements in welfare reform. >> i don't know if a motion to vacate's gonna happen right away. i do know that speaker mccarthy has credibility issues. when he was running for speaker, he promised that he would use the 2020 baseline numbers as the appropriation numbers for

this year. went back on that promise. >> minutes before speaker mccarthy was defending his bell, we heard from the congressman you just saw near screen, a member of the conservative house freedom caucus. he did not take out of question a motion to vacate. remember, that is the very important concession that mccarthy made to get the gavel in the first place. it means anyone can call up a vote to essentially remove mccarthy from the speaker's office. you see that he is not taking that off the table. that is the next thing we're watching here. as moderates and centrist praise this agreement between speaker mccarthy and the president, they said this is not everything everyone wanted in this bill, but it does lift the debt ceiling for two years. very importantly avoiding that default deadline that was supposed to be tomorrow. there is this open question of will conservatives keep mccarthy in the job? will they revolt against them? there also is a bigger fight expected down the line in september when appropriators try to fund the government.

will they demand even more spending cuts from mccarthy? that's the big question. >> julie tsirkin for us. thank you. i do want to continue this conversation, specifically about the president and the run up to 2024, how he plays this whole thing with someone who knows quite well how to do it. former white house press secretary msnbc political analyst, robert gibbs. thanks for joining, us appreciate, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> i want to start with the president's negotiation strategy, right? there's a lot of folks that were urging the president to address the nation, even before they were able to come together with a final deal. they said, tell the nation how terrible it would be to default. tell them what republicans are doing that is keeping you from reaching a final deal. he did not do that. actually sat back quietly and waited for it to all come together, as peter baker writes in the new york times. the president calculated that the more he bragged, the deal

was a good one for his side, the more he would inflame republicans on the other side. what do you make of this? >> well, i think what peter writes and what joe biden did, absolutely right, absolutely true. the more the president, spiked the football on this, the more where republicans would have been supporting this. look, this deal got 314 votes in the house of representatives. i don't think you get a deal that could get that many votes. i think what the president pursued was a strategy, knew he had to have. the calamity of what would've happened had we gone into default tomorrow, it would've put in jeopardy a lot of political and economic plans that the president has. i think he gave republicans space. he made sure that they could have, quite frankly, a good discussion, a good negotiation. i think that's what ultimately

led to a drama type solution that we saw late last week. >> what do you think about the way in which he managed within his own party? especially the progressive arm of his own party? because there's a lot of folks that have spoken out and said they're not on board with necessarily the details but have this -- had this come to a moment in which they needed those votes, or else they would've defaulted, they would've voted in favor of the passage of this thing in the house. what do you make of the president having to deal with that? >> i think, look, the process, i get why progressives were upset and should be upset at a process that quite frankly probably you have hope would not even get to this point. hope you have two parties that understood we are raising the debt limit, not to pay for future bills, but to pay for past pending that had already happened. look, i get why they were mad

at this. i think if you look at the overall vote, you find the democrats were broadly supportive of the steal. look, again, yes, this would not be what they would've done had they been in charge. have they have the ability to write this whole thing, that would've been a clean extension. but i think given the fact that the house is controlled by republicans was always gonna end up in some sort of negotiation. i think we're hard-pressed to figure out that the president didn't get just about as good a deal is humanly possible from republicans in acquiescence to raise the debt ceiling, not just for a year, but for two years to push this past the election. >> all, right two things i want to hear with you, robert, before we wrap this up, and they're all about 2024 and how we spend things. if we're looking at the economy, the job numbers come out friday morning, better than expected, 339,000 jobs added, very much in hospitality, leisure section, unemployment picked up 0.2%, up to 3.7%, i believe.

at this point, why has this been from the president as he's heading into 2024 on the state of the economy? >> look, i think the president got a lot to brag about. i think the jobs numbers were overwhelmingly strong. look, he still has challenges in the economy. his economic job approval lags his overall job approval. the white house in the campaign really had two things they needed to do, one is to remind people what they've, done how they're trying to bring inflation and the jobs are adding particular on the manufacturing side. secondly, as republicans are out there fighting for this nomination, you know, it's that contrast of economic visions through the future that i think the president is really gonna have to engage in. don't forget, at some point, 1 million dollars in advertising for the presidents campaign are gonna help lift those accomplishments and help color what republicans want to do. >> how do you do at the age issue? i'm not just talking to president biden, and talking

with the former president as well. i always wonder why it is we don't talk about when we talk about former president donald trump as we do about president biden. he had that fall earlier this week, i'm sure many of his supporters watched lens that, who, not great. how do you deal with it? >> you have to be out there and be vigorous. i think the president has to show people who he wants to vote for him for four more years. he has the capability, the health, the stamina, and the energy to do the job. i think, look, i think this is a big help, a big win for the president. we have to go out there and show this every day. there is not one magic thing he's gonna do, he's not gonna get younger. you just have to demonstrate each day they have the capability to do the job. . >> if he did, could you imagine that, pat and, it sell it, that would really get you reelected. >> landslide, yes. >> thank you. good news for tv and movie fans, everybody, at least one hollywood strikes seems to have been avoided. the union representing directors has reached a tentative deals with studios

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to the sunshine state as we can to take part in an annual days-long part celebration, despite the wave of anti lgbtq plus legislation there. joining me now is priscilla thompson at the gate's expo in orlando. what have you, heard priscilla, from people there who decided to go and ignore these travel advisories? >> yeah, yasmin, there was some hesitation among some folks during the first few days as this was kicking off. there were concerns among people that they may not feel safe, not really knowing what they were walking into here. organizers tell us that there is been security here, they've been in touch with local police to ensure that things are going smoothly. there is really been a resounding, you know, group of people that have come out and said, we are not going to allow this to scare us away from florida and the things that are happening here to scare them away. tens of thousands have turned out. there were dragon fence held this weekend for people of all

ages. that is despite new laws that were passed last month that could've resulted in fines and penalties, things like that. so, really trying to send a message of defiance. of course, a big part of gay days is this day where folks go to disney, they wear their red shirts, showing that they are in community or members of the lgbtq+ community. that moment especially meaningful this year, as disney is in this battle with governor ron desantis over the so-called don't say gay bill. i spoke to the ceo of gay days, joseph clark, about that, really the meaning that that disney visit takes on this year. i want to play a bit of what he had to say. take a listen. >> >> there is a lot of don't say desantis shirts that are heading over there. we have a few of that, you know, they say trans, they say gay, say drag. people that are here are standing up against desantis. they want the music at our pool

parties to be heard in tallahassee, like i do. they want a shout out to say, no, we're here, we are wearing our red, we're going to be seen. >> and i asked clark, given the political climate here in florida, why not move the event somewhere else? he said that it's important in this moment for people to show that they're standing with community here in florida. they're supporting lgbtq plus businesses here, and really saying that they're going to be in this fight with them through the long haul, no matter where things go from here, as far as these laws that many people be was being discriminatory against the community. as? even >> priscilla thompson for, us thank you. these attacks on the lgbtq+ community are not happening in a vacuum. in fact, they can come in more brutal ways. uganda has officially enacted one of the most severe pieces of anti lgbtq plus legislation in the world. providing for the death penalty or life in prison for some

same-sex acts. a law that is so cruel it even earn condemnation from none other than texas senator ted cruz, actually landed him in hot water with some of his far right-wing friends. that seemed to catch the texas senator off-guard. given the history here, maybe it shouldn't have. the mayor notes in a piece for msnbc.com, uganda's new anti-bill grew out of a poisonous american seed. quote this, the same political movement that once campaigned against gay marriage protections and is now campaign he can strike queen story time has now spent millions of dollars over the past decades pushing an anti lgbtq agenda through african countries. in uganda and particular. she joins us now, msnbc columnist and previously served as white house senior director for president obama, as well as a senior adviser at the state department. thank you for joining us on this. we appreciate you.

how have specifically this movement, in the united states, kind of played this role in african nations and pushing this type of extreme legislation, these extreme laws? >> a lot of this comes out of the fight against aids that we saw on africa. the administration did amazing job of sending millions of millions of dollars overseas to africa to really make sure that the population could be safe. and uganda, you had something like 30 to 40% of pregnant women who had aids. it is a crisis. but within that crisis, and within that u.s. government money that was going, you started to see evangelical missionaries attach themselves to this movement. and instead of focusing on the fact that there were safe sex measures that could stop the spread of aids, they started talking about homosexuality, lgbtq identities as being the

problem and part of the crisis. you saw this evangelical group that was losing ground in the united states on gay marriage fine power and find validity in places of poverty and east of arca. and then they started cultivating local preachers who then became rock star preachers with millions of youtube followers, all around homosexuality and hate. >> where else is this happening in africa right now, outside of uganda? world servicing this type of legislation, these hateful laws? >> the irony, has been, is that the united nations actually passed legislation, norms, standards, an agreement of all countries recognizing lgbtq identity as one of the human rights and protections for that. it did that without any teeth, any enforcement mechanism. you have countries like uganda,

kenya, and other countries in africa, nigeria also another populous of big economic partners of the united states where they're criminalizing sexuality and your choice of love. you have this double standard of what the united states stands for on the world stage, with the united nations has said needs to be accepted. individual world leaders passing these horrific laws. i say that, yasmin, with the reality check, the cold hard reality of american foreign policy that the united states is a strong ally of saudi arabia. criminalized homosexuality for generations. so, we don't practice what we preach on the world stage. >> so, my question to, what needs to be done, specifically by the biden administration? and before you answer that question, i want to -- elaborate more of what you wrote about their role in all of this. not necessarily condemning specifically uganda and its leadership. biden has passed a previous opportunities to penalize uganda for other alleged human

rights offenses. last year some urban and, as chair of the foreign relations committee formally requested that biden revoke an invitation he had sent to most savini for last year's u.s. africa leader summit. not only did most of any attend, he was also gifted a meeting with u.s. ambassador to the united nations, linda thomas greenfield. what needs to be done here? >> yeah, the united states has to put backbone behind the idea of a human rights foreign policy, either that, or stop talking as if we are the defenders of human rights on the world stage. when i was in the obama administration, we visited with several world leaders. i remember the yuan ambassador at the time being warned not to take too strong stance against local custom, local laws. completely forgetting the fact that the united states export of missionaries are all colonial export, it was part of why these customs existed that

condemned homosexuality. stand up for human rights or recognize our complicity and a lot of the violence overseas. the sad thing is, when it comes to foreign policy, we often look at it as a matter of great power. if china is involved in uganda, if russia is trying to get a hand in uganda, than the united states is trying to make sure has power there too. >> such good points. thank you. at the top of the hour, three more republicans are expected to join the crowded 2024 presidential field this week. the grand jury and trump's classified documents case is expected to meet as well. the impacts all of this could have, if any, on how the other candidates go after the former president. up first, what ukrainian president zelenskyy is saying about his next step in the war against russia. we'll be right back. right back. when your gut and vaginal bacteria are off balance. you may feel it. but just one align women's probiotic daily helps soothe digestive upsets.

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counteroffensive is now appearing imminent. president zelenskyy saying saturday, quote, we're ready to do it. we believe we will succeed. came head of an unusually personal speech where he expressed gratitude towards individual soldiers as they prepare for what undoubtedly be a grueling and costly stretch of this war. i want to bring in nbc's molly hunter in kharkiv, ukraine, has more on this. give us the latest, molly, if he well, and what we're learning about this counteroffensive that we're hearing about? >> yeah, as, we've been speaking for weeks about the possibility that we're on the brink of this counteroffensive, certainly president zelenskyy's interview with the wall street journal has now set those feelings at high speed, i would say, certainly arena speculating that maybe we're finally on the eve of that battle. i want to read one of his full quotes. he says, we strongly believe that we will succeed. i don't know how long it will take, but we are going to do and we're ready. now, as, and in that same interview, he also said, this was kind of tempting fate. he said a lot of soldiers will

die if ukraine does not get more air cover. . of course there is not a real sense of ukrainian government, those f-16s will arrive in time for the counteroffensive. certainly a sense that more air defenses and more air power to come before the counteroffensive takes off an earnest. when i sat down with -- a couple weeks ago, senior visor to president zelenskyy, i asked if they'd be waiting for those f-16s? he said, certainly, that is not the plan. no one will tell us exactly when this will start, yasmin. a video released by the general armed forces today, but a 32nd video. it shows eight or nine ukrainian soldiers just going like this, so, is that a hint that they're not going to announce it as we thought? it may already be starting. we are watching very closely, yasmin. >> certainly ominous. molly, as you've been talking to people there on the ground, ukrainian citizens, how are they feeling ahead of what is to come? >> yeah, there has been a lot going on, just in the last 48

hours, as we're thinking and reading the tea leaves about this counteroffensive, there is a major tech in the southern city of dnipro, two year old girl was killed, yasmin. 22 story buildings were destroyed. 22 people were injured, ten private homes in addition to a gas station, a shop, a couple other buildings, excuse, me residential buildings, according to the regional governor. we've also seen increased incursions across the russian side by those anti kremlin militias. we've also seen ukraine hitting russia far behind enemy lines. there is been a lot going on that will make people kind of really think, are we at a turning point right now? i have to say, in the capital of kyiv, you have, and a lot of weariness, and a lot of frustration with those nightly airstrikes. >> i bet, molly hunter for us. thank you. we have a lot more coming, up folks. you're watching msnbc, our second hour starts right now. starts right now everybody, good to see you, if