something that could be super proud of. which i understand. for me, how i represent myself and where i come from so much more meaning in my journey would be to wear my tribal affiliation. >> i think in being a support not affiliated, not american, that should be an option for me. that means so much more pride, resiliency, and strength for my people, my community, then to where usa. >> i know you're inspiring a lot of native people on your path -- >> a culture is indigenous women coming up to ten pm eastern right on msnbc streaming on peacock as well. that wraps up for me. i'm yasmin vossoughian, i'll be back in the chair next saturday and sunday at two pm eastern. symone starts right now. symone starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> greetings everyone. you are watching symone, now that president biden signed the debt ceiling bill we are digging into the fine print, and what exactly republicans at the white house managed to get into that bill. when it was all said and.

one item that made the cut restarting those student loan payments. if they just keep coming back to haunt. does all have all you need to know about the pause ending, and the long term impact that borrowers having to cough up the money again. plus, its pride month and we're talking to chasten buttigieg, his new book i have something to tell you about young of. outside the right-wing campaign to ban lgbtq books and schools and libraries. i'm symone d. sanders townsend, and i have something to say. ♪ ♪ ♪ now that the president has signed the debt ceiling bill into law, it's becoming clear just what's in it. and today democrats and republicans are defending how they voted on the bill. now the bill is a far cry from the 843 billion dollars in non-defense discretionary spending initially proposed in

the presidents 2024 budget. the steel cap spending at 704 billion dollars. according to the congressional budget office. and now here's -- an exchange for raising the debt ceiling until 2025. the new law keeps domestic spending back, well aligned for increases in defense spending. the legislation widens the work requirement age for adult receiving sag benefits, or food stabs to 50 to 54 years old. but it exempts veterans and for the first time ever unhoused people are now eligible to receive a snap benefit. the bill clause back unspent covid funds and scales back expanded funding for the irs. that's a lot. and by the way, case you didn't know the pause on student loan payments will be lifted in august. yes, that's in the bell. this is a major concern, frankly, a financial game-changer for many, many americans. this morning on msnbc the lead white house negotiator shalanda young, the director, explain

how this deal was designed to perpetuate a similar budget shown later this year. >> my colleagues, part of the deal here was to make sure we get shop runs to the spending panels to make sure that they can succeed. we don't want to be back here october 1st, having conversations about a shutdown. , so the numbers we came up with while what we would have ridden by ourselves allow the appropriation process of spending process to have a place to start friend and reach that. >> meanwhile, house speaker kevin mccarthy facing opposition from members of his caucus. for needing help from democrats to pass the bill. trying to justify the negotiations to the audience -- >> the thing you want to look at as which democrats voting against this. aoc, bernie sanders, the progressive. why do they vote against? it because we did get work requirements and welfare reform. >> the full impact of this

legislation and its effect on our physical future have yet to be fully realized. and the nitty-gritty is complex but lucky for you all, i have someone here to make it so much clearer. the deputy director of the national economic council, bharat ramamurti, joins me now. bharat, great to see you hopefully you can explain a couple things to the people. first off, how does this legislation help us avoid an economic showdown over -- later this? here >> basically, every year you not passing a negotiations with congress about the project. the next fiscal year budget. essentially what you had here in the context of this conversation of the last few months. was exactly that, the fiscal years and is at the end of september, will need to work with congress, including the republican control house of representatives together a budget for fiscal year 24. which is upcoming. and that's what we have here, you have a deal that at the end of the day reflected the reality of a divided

government. but that protected really key priorities of the presidency. a key piece of legislation that he passed in his first year in office. >>, so they will now be a dramatic budget negotiation that happening later on this year? >> that's right, it sets the top line in other words it says exactly what you can spend on non defense issues on defense topics. within that of course will be conversations about how much goes to the specific program, for that specific program. that happens every year. i care part of this which is at a high-level how much are gonna spend, that's been resolved by this bill. >> there is a key part of the spell that requires the past 12 appropriation bills and if they don't do that then something gets cut? >> exactly. congress needs to pass 12 different appropriation bills as you noted. if they don't, what ends up happening is not there isn't across the board 1% cut to all spending programs relative to last year. so, it's not anybody's interest to have that happen. so, part of including that in the bill is to create an

appropriate incentive for our appropriators in congress, to work together, work past disagreements and put in place about the 12 appropriation bills, so we have a well funded government going into next year. >> the president noted that he's still plans to pursue increases through taxes on the wealthiest americans in this country. that's what his budget proposal, is 2024 proposal that he put out about the budget, that's what he detailed. 2024 proposare republicans gonl and? that how will he get that time? >> he's gonna keep pushing for. up and in these conversations that happened in the past few months there at times at least some amount of openness to the idea of higher taxes on certain types of very wealthy individuals, very large corporations. he's dedicated to getting these into law one way or the other. we'll keep pushing for it over the next two years, while he's in his first term. and look, these are common south things. one example, minimum tax on billionaires. many many billionaires pay lasts for tax rates than your

typical firefighter, nurse, on average they're paying 8% of their income. most folks pay more than 8% of them of their income on taxes. putting in place imalone kxmb leaner, springs and hundreds of billions of dollars that we can use for more affordable childcare, paid leave programs, or expanding pell grants, important priorities for this president. >> this is something that -- they're willing to support? >> not yet but we can keep working on. at what we've seen over the last couple months, remember, the opening by the republicans had in this negotiation was a 22% cut for all discretionary federal programs. what they ended up with was a 0%. we're able to move the party over time, the public's on our side if you look at polling on billionaire taxes. something like 75 or 80% of the public support that. >> even warren buffett says that he pays more than his secretary nation of. to shout out -- warren buffett. i want to ask about student loans. what, and how did that make it into this though?

>> again, it's important to look at where the republican started? they passed the bill through the house and the policy ended up on federal student loan payments. but also rescinded the entirety of the debt relief program that the president announced last august. i would've canceled the entire income based repayment program that the presidents putting into place. that's gonna end up cutting payments for your typical bar or buy hundreds of dollars a year. all of that would've been gone. the president is up to fight that off he drew a long line in the sand that he would -- he's gonna protect his income based repayment program. what we ended up having is a legislative and to the pause, at the end of august, which for better or worse is exactly what the president had announced last winter. when the supreme court decided to review his debt relief program. he announced made that the pause would come to an end at the end of august. this puts into law. >> my understanding that the bill also says that no secretary of state, no secretary of education going

forward, not just a biden administration but any future administration could pause student loan debt repayments without the express consent of congress. it seems like you're boxing, not just this administration, but future administrations into a corner? >> i would exact describe it slightly differently. it says that this current pause which is in place now can't be extended. but if there is another reason to have a pause, if there's another emergency, god forbid. or another reason under the law or there's a valid reason to extend the. pause this bill does nothing to prevent the secretary of education from doing that. really, it's a very narrow provision that caught a fisa with the president said was going to happen last winter? >> are you all concerned about the backlash. look, i'm just saying, i used to work at the white house, okay, i worked at the white house when there are people who are outside the white house daily. many of them young people, the majority of them, protesting, asking the administration to do something about student loan debt. i have never seen young people,

people that i know who are not engage, not involved in politics, the student loan debt issue is the thing that i've heard most from these folks. i'm looking at it like, i don't know if this is good politics. are you guys all concern? >> we're concerned about a couple. things, number one we want to make sure that we're able to do our debt relief program. there are 40 million borrowers were gonna get up to $20,000 in debt relief. it's gonna be a life-changing thing. half of those borrowers are gonna have their debts completely wiped. out because of that proposal. we fought that hard, it's now in from the supreme court, our department of justice made a very strong argument in our review as to why that's. legally speaking from the court over the next couple of weeks. our hope is that the court finds that legal, we will provide that relief to people before they ever have to start making the payments again. , look we are very committed whether it's through that, or through the income based repayment program. which i don't want people to miss underestimate how important this program is. >> i have a whole thing on this later on the show. it is important. it's game changing. >> it is.

because of the focus on the one time that relief that's now last august. this is a really important program for someone who's faking typical middle class salaries gonna see their average monthly payment drop a substantial amount, the typical brower's gonna say something like 1200 dollars a year on their payments. people have smaller balances, people who happen to be lower income, can be making zero dollar monthly payments, and after doing that for us there no time would see the remainder of their balance totally wiped. out it's an important -- >> and significant. we'll wait to see what the supreme court says. i have a can tell you i was optimistic. bharat ramamurti, thank you very, very much. good to see. you. all right folks, up next i've got something to say about the impact of those student loan payments starting this summer. later, my political panel weighs in on the next batch of republicans who jump into the 2024 primary. do any of them look familiar, and you any them stand a chance to derail trump's maga hold on

the nominations? but first, our -- my colleague richard lui with our other top news stories, hey, . richard >> hey, great to see you good afternoon to you as well. officials in india say that a signal error led to the crash that killed nearly 300 people and injured hundreds more. the error caused a passenger train to crash into a freight train. and then a third train hit the other two derailed carriages. india's prime minister promised punishment to those found responsible. chinese officials defend sailing a warship along the path of a u.s. destroyer in the taiwan straight. this is what you see here. china's defense minister accused the u.s. of provocation. u.s. defense secretary lloyd austin said that the u.s. would continue selling and flying through the region saying they are international lotteries. and in the justice department's probe of former president trump's handling of classified documents, the federal grand jury hearing evidence is expected to meet this week. that's according to multiple people familiar with the investigation. activity in special counsel jack smith's investigation has

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about ending the pandemic -- student loan payments. we're starting to see that statement unfold right before our eyes. more than 42 million americans owe student loans, myself included. and some folks are anxious and even terrified because of a provision included in the agreement between president biden and speaker mccarthy to raise the debt ceiling. this is an agreement became law after president biden signed it yesterday. according to the law, secretary cardona will no longer have the power to pasta don't payments without the consent of congress. and borrowers will be required to start paying on loan 60 days after june 30th, putting the payment date around august 29th. yes, if you have federal student loans, you'll have to start paying what is owed, plus interest. the federal student aid website details borrows will be receiving their billing statement at least 21 days before the first payment is. let me be clear, y'all, there's questions about interest rates.

interest rates that were set before student loan payments were first paused. when will these payments are seen, the debt ceiling does not address president biden's executive action to forgive between $10,000 for non -- and $20,000 for pell grants recipients in federal student loans. the supreme court will issue a decision on the executive action this summer. and frankly it's likely that they will strike it down. i would like to be wrong, but i'm just gonna be real. the question is where will this lead the one in five americans with student loans? the administration says they forgiven millions of dollars in federal student loans already. here's a layout about who's received aid so far. according to cnbc 42 billion in approved public service loan forgiveness, 3.9 billion dollars to for profit colleges whose campuses closer defrauded students. and 9.1 billion dollars for borrowers with disabilities.

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running for president in 2024. if you think that's a lot of people, just a way, the list is about to get longer. this week three more candidates are expecting to join the race for the republican nomination. their former new jersey governor chris christie, former vice president mike pence, and north dakota governor dog burgum. that means by wednesday, 12 candidates will have formally declared their campaigns. let's get into our political panel. let's bring them into there. tyler pager, -- and vowed timings is a former

democratic congressman from florida. welcome to you all. i can't think of three better people to discuss this upcoming week. tyler, by wednesday they're expecting to be 12 republicans in the race. you've been reporting on this, why exactly are mike pants, chris christie, and governor dog i'm getting into this race now? >> look, there's so many months and tell voters head to the polls in the various states that are holding early contests. tell a lot of time to make your case to voters. the big question for all these individuals is how are they gonna take down donald trump. each of them is gonna have a different approach. we're expecting for managers and governor, chris christie, to take up much more direct and combative approach towards trump. and former vice president mike pence has an interesting path forward, he served as the loyal right-hand man to trump for the four years of his presidency. how does he now distinguish insult from the madden that he was right there with for most

of that presidency? not breaking with a mental january six? and the governor from north dakota is unknown on the national stage, what's he bringing to this field, to this contest that other candidates don't have. how is he gonna make his name in a very crowded field that's already very dominated by former president donald trump? >> yes, and lots of governors actually entering this race. tyler just sat, it donald trump is still considered a front runner in this race. donald trump is very much feuding with ron desantis. invoking his name, most recently, iran desantis and the former president disagreed about the definition of woke. i want you to take a listen to this. >> i don't like the time warp, i hear woke, we'll, look, it's like a term that you have people trying to find. they don't know what to. as >> we know what we'll get. as it's a for cultural marxism. it's about putting narrative achievement behind identity politics. and it's basically a war on the

truth. >> congresswoman, first of, all i did not know that the american people were more concerned with wokeness than maybe being able to put food on their tables. yet, this is what's happening, trump's taking aim at wokeness, he's going right at the heart of the desantis campaign, what do you think about this latest test at tat between the two? >> well, simone, it's great to be back with you and let me just say, the more the merrier. let them run, run, run. we have quite an interesting contest going on in florida, what i cannot understand is why the front runner, which is former president donald trump, and the whole lot of questions around that. i don't know why the front runner would really punch down. we know that he is leading by double digits. punching down at florida's governor who wants to be the front runner, i think it is a mistake for him. i think the president, or former president should just be quiet about his opponent, and

talk about what he wants to do in his second term. it's interesting to hear both of them talk about on the definition of woke, and you so eloquently pointed out, that no they're not talking about the housing crisis in florida, they're not talking about education funding still being at the bottom, they're not talking about more extreme weather are flooding in florida and other places around the nation. and what they intend to do about it. it's interesting to hear ron desantis talk about war on the truth. well, governor, black history is a part of america. and that's the truth. our children need to know about it. some people are gay, the majority of american people want them to have protections in that status. i think they should both focus on the things that the american people care about. since they want to represent americans. >> jennifer, the congresswoman

is describing a choice of strategy here, and all of the candidates, desantis, trump, and number of people who had not even declared yet have been out on the campaign trail. tim scott, who's declared he's out on the campaign trail, a number of folks who were in iowa this week at the roasted ride fund-raiser, senator joni ernst was hosting, donald trump notably was not there. president biden he said he's not hitting the campaign trail anytime soon. he is going to campaign as president for now. talk about the strategy of the republican candidates and how you think it shaking out this far? >> walter, the congresswoman's. point when you have a double digit lead over everyone else, you don't meet campaigns the same way. the majority of these republican candidates are either barely known, unknown to most of the voters across the country. they need to get out there, and

really develop an identity and get their message out if they wanna make any progress at all. what i think will be very interesting is when governor christie gets into the race because remember the governor was one of the 16 or 17 people who ran in 2016. and the republican race starts in new hampshire. you've got to win, do really well in new hampshire, in this republican primary if you want to continue on with any credibility. and while he won't have all of this people remember that governor christie's belton entire operation in the state of new hampshire before. and if what you need to get up, to get into the race side by side with donald trump is to be willing to fight, if nothing else we know that governor kristi has a reputation for being unafraid to fight, it'll be interesting to see all of, how this changes, how it starts to develop over the next week, as these three more people get in. >> there's one other piece of 2024 we haven't talked about, i'm congresswoman, you're gonna

get the last word on this, the senate, the senate is in play, control of the senate is on the ballot in 2024, only two black women of ever served in united states senate carroll mozone, braun and vice president kamala harris, this year could be the ear histories made, with three black women vying for a senate seat, your former senate candidate, what do you think? >> i can tell you, simone, certainly the united states senate should reflect the diversity of the community. or the nation of where it serves. certainly, i'm excited about my friends, and former colleagues elissa blot rochester, who would say is certainly should be for a lot of reasons going to the united states senate. we know that barbara's been a strong voice, a strong fighter for the people that she represents also in maryland, angela also -- running. also here in michigan we have

doctor pamela pugh who's running. there's no reason why the united states senate should not see one, two, three, four possibly four black women there. not just because they're black women, but because they're public servants. and as my husband likes to say, the best indicator of future performance is a look at past performance. and they have performed. wow >> we'll have to leave it there former congressman val demings, tyler pager, jennifer horn, think you all. up next folks, state governments why they're trying to undermine and statue a power from your local leaders! >> the demonization of the american city, is nothing more than a political strategy. >> that's the focus of my conversation with three democratic u.s. mayors who all have something to say about the damage that it's doing. that's next. that's next. i'm a retired school librarian. i'm also a library board trustee, a mother of two,

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legislature around governor supports the power of the local officials you elect? it's called preemption, and the fancy word for state takeover and it's a disturbing trend in many states. around the country, republican state lawmakers are passing legislation designed to rob democratic cities of their independent. -- black mayors. i recently visited columbus out aisle for the u.s. conference of mayors. and there are out onslaught of red state after the takeover blew. cities -- -- st. louis and mayor chokwe antar lumumba of jackson city, other cities have dealt with intrusive state legislation. mira loma describes the phenomenon of preemption -- and take a listen. >> as autocratic governance and

state overreach, and then effort to take away our democratic principle. it goes against when our republican foundational principle that state that they don't believe in the overreach of government. and they don't believe in big government. when it comes to democratic cities like jackson, mississippi, we see continuous effort, people are most aware of the effort of taking over our traditional system, not only our police department. her judges -- all of this as an arsenal a larger effort donnelly attack democratic leadership but it's an attack on black leaders. >> let's unpack. that let's talk about. this -- by republican, state legislatures? and disproportionately it's happening to mayors of color, a black mayors to be specific? >> yes, this was about public safety. they would pass common sense

gun safety laws. it's about power and control. >> near lucas, i heard you talking about the number of occasions, you talked about when it comes to gun laila's this is where the issue of preemption comes up? most >> yes, you're right. it's state takeover, state control. that simple. jonathan illegal term to say preemption, it state takeover. where there can be local solutions. unkind violence is probably in some ways the most dramatic place. we see what this intervention means honestly ups and my state -- we had this bill, the preservation act unfortunately federal judge struck it down for now. it gets appealed all the money to the supreme court. under that they were trying to eliminate, eliminate cooperation between our local police, the police made claim to support. the ability of those -- atf, fbi on things like illegal gun trafficking, in our community. and at a time when we're seeing

more and more assault lappans on the streets of our cities, each and every day. it's all up and is not made in kansas city, not made in st. louis, not made in jackson, mississippi. that cooperation with federal officials is key. right now all these law, skills they're not about making people safer, they're not about anything other than pure unadulterated control. we mentioned race before because it's important. control of black people, a black people's choices, and those who live around us. the demonization of the american city is nothing more than a political strategy. >> i see you both shaking your head, mayor drones you agree? >> absolutely. mayor lucas did mention the most egregious part of the second amendment preservation act. was that it charged officers, $50,000 -- when someone thought that their second amendment rights were being violated. which had a horrible effect on our officers ability to even approach people.

who they thought were doing wrong, or who they thought had weapons on them. they claim the support officers, meaning the red state legislatures, but they do everything in their power to make them unsafe. >> nashville's dealing with that, the mayor of louisville, kentucky, is dealing with that, particularly around the issue of guns. but all the mayors are just named -- >> absolutely. even stretching beyond the public safety issue. when you look at the effort to take over municipal airports, it's not only a fight that the city of jackson is engaged in right now. we know that charlotte, north carolina, it's been embroiled in the same bottle, atlanta, the hints and signs of an effort there is taking place. new orleans, louisiana, contend with the same challenge. that we should see it as a coordinated attack. that's looking nationally at

how there is control of our communities, how they seize control of resources, in order to maintain, or to gain power in a greater sense. >> this is a topic that not only wallace mayors who are dealing with that are keenly focused. on the u.s. congress some mayors is focused on. apparently you actually are chairing the task force particularly on this issue. the u.s. cop -- is a bipartisan group, you will say this is a place we're mayors, that's got solutions. what's the conversation and particularly around -- from fellow mayors who are republicans? >> there is a recognition that this expands just be on us. today it may be jackson, and maybe st. louis tomorrow, it can be tampa, tomorrow with any number of places. because the reality is that major american cities are were stuff gets done in our country. and you have a diverse set of people and almost all of them, even republican run ones, that's when i when i talk to

mayors, republican mayors in places, they're saying we don't want you taking over a police department. we don't want you coming up with solutions for how we can build housing in our community. >> your committees often. resolution, what do you hope the resolution achieves? >> first of, all i wanted to tell mayors around the country, are not alone. if you're somebody who's going through this in alaska, we got your back. we've been through a. you may have different issues on the ground, frankly, it's the same substantial and, that stop. one step two, we need to fight back at legislature. i'm not saying -- with their service. they have groups, policy groups that push the same bad bills in every state. in ohio right now there's a conversation about follow -- in the second amendment preservation. mayor's need to be that response group that says, you know what, no, nonpartisan, bipartisan, let us control our own decisions. >> talk to me about the current legal effort in jackson? >> while, other voluminous.

because the efforts to take over control of jackson has been waged on a number of fronts. so, it was simultaneous to several lawsuits that been filed against the state, by the end -- local organizers against the 10:20, battle which was the effort to create a separate judicial process, the states also under review, title six complaint that was also filed by the naacp. looking at disproportionate funding to the city of jackson. at the end of the day, whether it's lawsuits, or other efforts ours is the voice. that insists that we are more. so, it means that we not only need to be willing to pursue legal fronts, but we need to broaden our net of support. >> mayor jones, i'm gonna give you the last word on this, you have successfully beat back efforts in the state of missouri, faye continues,

what's your message to mayors across the country, but also members of not just your state legislature, but members of state legislatures across the country, who've engaged are looking at missouri as a model to engage in the state takeover efforts to further various agendas? >> our message to state legislatures a simple, leave us alone. so we can lead. we were elected by our respective constituencies to lead our cities, and also stay in your lane, there's a lane for the state legislature, a lane for federal government, a lane for local government. and i thought we all learn with those lanes where when we were in our six classes in high school. he may not hollies a graham but at the end of the day, a set of mayors we are on the ground. we know what our people want. we know what they deserve.

they deserve to have their voices heard when they go to the ballot box. >> we will stay on this issue. mayor lucas, mayor jones, mayor lumumba, thank you for your time. you can see more of that on peacock this week, folks. still ahead, chasten buttigieg has something to tell you, i sit back with him to talk about his new book, how could be added to the growing list of banned books, what it takes to be an ally of the lbgtq+ community. stay with us. stay with us where will they take you? with the capability of a 2-inch lift. ♪♪ the versatility of the available multi-flex tailgate. ♪♪ and the connection of a 13.4” diagonal touchscreen. chevy silverado. taking adventure to a whole new level.

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means lgbt plus pride month is in full swing. pride doesn't just celebrate the strides the communities made over decades. it's often a celebration of personal journey. underneath from the recesses of the closet, to marching in the streets.

the journey claiming your pride in a world that tries to shame you. i recently sat down with educator and author chasten buttigieg, to talk about this very journey. if that lasting founds familiar, it's because he's the husband of transitory secretary pete buttigieg, i spoke with chasten, about a new version of his memoir, i have something to tell you for young adults. and about the growing anti lgbtq climate across arc andrea. here is what he had to say. >> i want to read the book, i wish i can travel back in time hand my youngest of. i rode for young adults, i think this is gonna be helpful for teachers, parents, for anybody who supports young people, teaches young people, and who wants to understand what it's like to be a young person in this country. when you're contemplating, do i fit in here, do i belong here, is it okay, is it safe to be myself. and there's so many lessons, stories in this book that i wish younger me would have known and had learned. >> you tell a lot of stories in

this, but all know, it's different than your first memoir. because that memoir has different stories. these are specific stories that you pick for this book. out of all the stories you panicked, which one, give me your talk to? >> first, i wish that young chasten, as well as any young personality up thinking so much about the opinions of other people. i grew up in a conservative rural place in northern michigan, i was convinced the opinions of other people were the opinions that matter, whether it's my church group, for my four age group, or the people walking down the hallways at school. i cared so much about what they thought of. me i was terrified they find out this big secret about. man and that i lose everything. and i was afraid to be my authentic self. i was a creative kid. i was bubbly in loud and rambunctious. i want to lock that up. i was afraid that other people would make fun of that and see that difference. another thing that i'm really glad to be able to have the opportunity to talk about is my parents's own journey, iran away from my parents when i

came out. and i'm so, so lucky. i believe i'm alive today because they called me home. they put the safety, the health of the how to get of the opinions of other people. i knew they were in the ostracized by people in the community, in our church, their friends for having a gay sign. we just didn't talk about gay people that. so, sharing their story and the importance of allies, especially parents, teachers, and teaching young people that they can believe in themselves today. bacon stop believing the opinions of other people. or your surroundings are the ones that defined. now >> you're right at one point that even though i saw a few gay characters on television. gayness was something distant. almost like a luxury or a privilege. famous people on television in los angeles and new york could be k, but not an awkward kid from the midwest to spend saturdays at the bowling alley and read books with a flashlight under the covers. feel there's a lot of young people that feel the way you describe this book. today >> i want lgbtq people to

know, that there are millions of people out here, the majority of american support either. the majority of americans, data tells, us that they believe in lgbtq equality, a the majority of republicans today believe in lbgtq+ equality, just right now we're experiencing a political climate where it is advantageous for these people to continue attacking vulnerable people. because it requires nowhere. >> when you sat down to do the children's, the young peoples versions of this book. this was prior to the widespread bulk ban, the don't say gay laws, and now there is one creeping through the legislature in texas. most notably, the law that's on the books in florida. you have a book tour, i find a very interesting that you're on washing, ten b c, you're going to florida, tennessee, listings intentional some of the stops on the book to our. did you think about aligning your tour stops, and telling these stories based upon what's

actually happening out there right? now >> absolutely. i want to hit the big markets, i don't get to do what -- i want to do that, but i knew that we don't turn our backs on our family. and that some of these people and red state stacey folks online talking smack about their stay. but they live there. that's where their families are. to me as a teacher, the advocate, the parent i wanted to go there. because i wanted them to know that i'm not turning their back on them. i wanted to bring this story, this opportunity for community, even if it's just two hours up top. to tell them that somebody cares, somebody is listening, and so many of these experiences in texas, florida, i was in missouri, utah, you could tell that people are tired. they're exhausted. and this is our opportunity not only to call out our allies and say they need to put their allyship in action, but to align ourselves, and communities that we need to lift one another up. >> are you worried about either but being bad? >> it's age-appropriate -- that doesn't stop people these

days. >> it doesn't stop people these days. truly my last question, we talk about putting allyship into action, it makes me think about a number of these companies who are having these conversations during pride, companies who when the going was easy, they were very happy to have the pride themed memorabilia if you will, towels, two cops in their stores, displayed prominently. and now seeing pushback everyone from budweiser to targets making different decisions? >> we call that rainbow washing, profiting off the lgbtq community when it's convenient. and now it's not as convenient, people are calling on threats to target. i'm expecting corporations to stick up and actually put the money where their mouth as. for allies they need to know that you need to ask yourself, did i earn that title, or did i give it to myself, all i. and your allyship needs to be actionable. people need your time, money, resources, they need your privilege. if you have privilege like i do, i try to find the ways that i can to support people in my own

community and learn, and i learned some things. but right now, especially vulnerable trans kids need our help. families, the lgbt community leader. help weather a big corporation, when these big box stores like selling the towels or cops, or you're just an ally of thinks you're a bighearted person. but ask yourself, what am i actually doing. to support the lgbtq community, especially in the wake of these ridiculous and agree just book bans, health care bans, attempting to push people back into the closet by saying, no, we're not going anywhere. and we need your help. this pride month please ask yourself, what am i going to do to actually be an ally till the lgbtq community? >> chasten buttigieg, you have something to say, and yet something to tell folks. i love this book, thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me, happy -- >>'s, i have something to tell you for your fight is available now. thank, you sir, for the discussion. don't go away, we'll be right back.

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the sunday. i am symone sanders-townsend, and you can catch me on msnbc weekends at four pm eastern. for more of the show, find us on instagram, twitter, and tiktok. politics nation with a great reverend al sharpton's next. rev, i know you've got senator sheldon whitehouse with you on the show and he'll be joined by the daughter of muhammad only on the anniversary of his passing. i know you knew the great ali, rev. what do you member most about him? >> i think about aaliyah lot coming in this building. when i was under 30 years old, james brown and muhammad ali brought me on the tomorrow show, and they said i was this young activist, i was 27, 28. so years later,