>> exclusive reporting from nbc news breaking overnight. the grand jury of the trump classified documents probe is expected to meet this week following a hiatus. as former fbi director james comey once said, lord i hope there are tapes. but apparently special counsel jack smith doesn't have to hope. he's got at least one recording of donald trump that could be crucial evidence, coming up first today is my wide-ranging interview with, you guessed it,

james comey. plus the debt ceiling hostage situation was not a lesson about bipartisanship as many have suggested. i will tell you what my takeaway was. also today, the supposed pro business anti counsel culture right wing is acting pretty anti business and pro cancel culture lately. a looks putting that in just a few minutes. and later, a trip to pennsylvania for an afternoon with one of the country's most high-profile political spouses, gisele fetterman. we talk about her childhood as an undocumented immigrant, her husband battle with depression and the spaces she commit created to help families in her community. ♪ ♪ ♪ to what donald trump on the campaign trail this week was to watch someone doing his best to make it all seem like he was just a typical front runner for the nomination, nothing to see here traveling through iowa, shaking hands giving speeches. on the one hand, he's still leading the field by very wide margin. but on the other hand he's

already a criminal defendant who could be facing another indictment any day now. exclusively reporting from nbc news reveals that the grand jury in the classified documents case is expected to meet again this week. that's notable because the grandeur was recently on a hadas, we haven't seen them for a while. this development has court observers and legal experts on high alert that something could be coming soon. this when we also learned there is reportedly a tape in the hands of special counsel jack smith in which trump can be heard boasting about a classified pentagon document detailing a possible attack on iran that he still had in his possession. the takeaway, trump knowingly retained the document he knew he should've taken with him after leaving the white house. i don't think you need me to tell you, you can't do that, even if you are the president. and a number of legal experts think this is all that assures trump will be charged in the mar-a-lago case. >> if this reporting is true, and i'm trying not to use hyperbole this is game over.

there is no way that he will not be charged. >> andrew weissmann is a former prosecutor, many of you are familiar with him. he chooses his words very carefully. he says it's game over for don trump. of course this is just one of multiple state and federal investigations into trump that could result in an indictment this summer. the first indictment, though, didn't seem to make a political dent. but as these pileup and potentially get more serious that could change. nobody knows more about politically-charged cases in the middle of presidential campaigns than fbi director, former fbi director james comey. i sat down with him at his home this week to discuss the legal perils surrounding the former president. >> you've said that the mar-a-lago documents case is the strongest against trump. and there's new reporting, prosecutors have recording from 2021 in which trump acknowledged he knowingly retained documents that he knew were classified. if you are prosecuting him, or just giving your experience.

how would you use that evidence to help the case? how much does it help a case like the? >> i once that without planning it lordy, i hope there are tapes. >> not about this case but it's very applicable. but tapes are amazing for a prosecutor. because you can't cross examine a tape. you can't call it a polar, a deep state operative. a tape is you saying what you think russians will and they are so valuable in organized crime cases and so valuable and important to jack smith in this documents case. i don't know where the case will end up but it makes it immeasurably stronger to have the subject of the investigation saying in a way they can't be impeached, no pun intended with trump, can't be criticized and undermined, because it's coming from his own mouth. that's why once that laurie i hope there are tapes. and lori it's a good thing there are tapes. >> turns out it's an evergreen statement.

knowing what you know about trump and how he operates an ax, super few people have dove so close to his mind -- what advice would you give jack smith on how to approach this or be mindful of? >> i'm not sure he needs any, i don't know jack smith, never met him. he doesn't need any advice because he knows because he's already started that trump comes for rule of law, system of justice, and the agencies with a flame thor. he will come and try to criticize and attack your family, your witnesses. there are no limits to what he will try to do to obstruct to hold him accountable. i'm sure they are prepared for the. it's one of the reasons i'm sure they are being careful to make sure all of their eyes are dotted and t's are crossed if they are planning to charge this case. >> you know what it's like to lead politically sensitive investigations around a campaign. given the current timetable of the cases and potential cases against trump which there are multiple. he could be the presumptive nominee before any of these

even go to trial. how concerning is that to you? >> concerning to prosecutor leaving investigation and the fbi because despite history we desperately don't want to be involved in election time investigations and near them so they are feeling something else that we talked about, i just know the system. they are feeling intense pressure to move so they are not in the position of making a charging decision next year when donald trump may be the nominee. i think they are likely working very very hard at trying to get ahead of where even the normal pace of investigation might be. >> can you envision a scenario where trump manages to win back the white house and justice is delayed? >> i could, i don't want to but i could. it's a crazy world that donald trump has drag this country into but he could be wearing an ankle bracelet while accepting the nomination at the republican convention. >> and could be wearing an ankle bracelet and be elected in november.

>> yeah, it would be rejected if you put it in a script for a show but you could have a president who is potentially incarcerated when he's elected president so that would be weird and awkward. and it seems even crazy to be coming out of my mouth but that's the situation we face. it looks like the republicans will likely nominate someone who is under serious criminal investigation, is indicted and who knows where that will leave us. >> but if he is elected and sworn in as a president would they pause, with the president be that they pause activity or consideration of these legal cases? or is that up to the jurisdiction of the law enforcement officials at the time? >> there's no precedent whatsoever that i'm aware of. we've never contemplated electing, again, someone like donald trump. i don't know what would happen. the federal government doesn't control the manhattan d.a. or the fulton county d.a.. so none of the normal traditions and norms around respecting the office of the

presidency and not distracting the president with criminal charges at a federal level, none of those would be implicated. i can't imagine a circumstance where the department of justice wouldn't, if they are going to charge you, wouldn't have done it so far in advance that we have a resolution before he took office. >> so do it in time, do it this summer. now that you don't have insight into this but do it this summer. that would mean that they could completely cases before he would take office? >> yes. i don't know anything obviously but i would predict your summer, don't plan anyone vacations as a journalist. >> you said that trump poses a near existential threat to the rule of law. and this is something similar language that i hear privately from national security officials, some people you and i both know who will say this privately about what a second term could mean. but tell me a little bit about the specifics of what he could try to do, what do you mean by that? >> think about what four years of a retribution presidency might look like. he could order the

investigation and prosecution of individuals who he sees as enemies, i'm sure i'm on the enemies list. because the president constitutionally does oversee the executive branch entirely which includes the department of justice, prosecutors and investigators. so he could commission direct that individuals be pursued. he could also direct all kinds of other conduct that people would maybe take the court to try to stop. but who enforces court orders? mostly the united states marshal service which is part of the executive branch and reports the president. president trump could say i don't care what the supreme court says or these district adjust say. i'm telling the marshals service don't enforce the court order. so our constitution really does give a rogue president, which is what this would be, tremendous power to destroy. that's why i'm trying to warn people, given the way he said he intends to operate if he is reelected this will be

something we could never have imagined. again, it seems like science fiction in a way, but it's what another four years of donald trump really promises. which is why people criticize cnn for the town hall, i want the american people to stare at the threat we are facing and understand that they cannot take the next election of. >> you are a republican most of your life but voted for, you still consider yourself one but voted for biden in 2020. do you intend to vote for him again or is there anyone on the republican side you might consider if it's not trump? >> it has to be joe biden. and i'm glad he's willing to serve. it has to be somebody committed to the rule of law, committed to the values of this country. i'm not talking about policy, people can disagree about policy, there are things above those disagreements that all of us should think about the same way the president must be someone who abides the law in our constitution. and there's no one else but joe

biden. >> one of the focuses that seems to have faded from the headlines is the threat of russia. intervening in our electoral process and system. trump recently said that ukraine, wouldn't say if ukraine should prevail over russia. given his affinity for putin and his outlook on the war do you expect, or should we expect russia to interfere on his behalf in 2024 if he's the nominee? >> yes, of course. vladimir putin does not want joe biden to be president of the united states for reasons that i hope the american people see, because he acts in our national interest. he would very much like donald trump to be president again because donald trump, for reasons i still can explain, a very fond of vladimir putin. so they were find ways to interfere. i hope our intelligence community is equipped to respond, maybe better than we did into thousand 16. but they will come for this election. >> so what should the media be telling the public about how to protect themselves or have to watch for that? what do you wish people were

doing out there? >> i wish people were taking a breath and a b before accepting something that they see online, especially rumors about people. over the next year, documents that have suddenly been discovered breathlessly, take it out with a grain of salt knowing that folks -- >> will have much more with the former fbi director about his new career as a fiction writer later this hour. you may be surprised to learn his debut novel is not based on donald trump at all, purposefully. coming up next, more exclusive reporting that the grand jury in the documents probe is set to reconvene this week. does it mean that an indictment could be right around the corner? plus, a trip to pennsylvania for a conversation with gisele fetterman. it's not every day you hear political spouse talk so openly about mental health and what's wrong with politics. and later, the gop has been railing against cancel culture for a while now. which is interesting, given their crusade to cancel big american companies. it's all coming up and we are

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former fbi director james comey the clock is ticking for prosecutors to not only bring a case against trump if they plan to indict, but also to wrap it up before the election next year. now nbc news has revealed that a federal grand jury is set to reconvene this week in the special counsel's probe into trump's mishandling of classified documents. something is afoot here clearly and it's got legal experts wondering if we might see a federal indictment of the former president soon. i've got the perfect person here to talk about what could be coming this week. who literally called this morning because we knew how important the story was and he agreed to join us. so, glenn kirschner, thank you so much. you were a 30 year federal prosecutor now an msnbc analyst. i just want to start with the news that broke overnight because the grand jury is expected to meet this week. what does that mean for the timeline? should we all be on indictment

watching hours that premature. >> we should be on indictment watch because what i'm saying is prosecutorial practice 101. the last witness went before a grand jury at three months ago. now they will be recalled, they'll be back in session this week. let me tell you what i take away from that. when we are handling large-scale investigations. big rico conspiracy cases, what we do is we try to present all of the witnesses and all of the evidence to the grand jury. the testimony, the documents we've subpoenaed the audiotapes, the surveillance tapes of perhaps people moving boxes around. once we are done or we think we are done we take a step back and we basically send the grand jurors home. and what we do is produce what is called a case impression memo. a salute to notes written account of every shred of evidence the grand jury heard, every charge we think might be supported by the evidence and every court precedent that

informs us about whether this evidence satisfies the elements of these crimes once were done all that we make a prosecutorial decision. what charges, if any, do we ask the grandeur to vote on. of course, jen, in this case there is one intervening step that we usually don't have, jack smith has to present all of that with his recommendation to the grand jury under the special counsel regulations. to merrick garland, rather, not to the greenery. he has to present his recommendation to merrick garland and merrick garland has to give him a thumbs up or thumbs down. if you ask me to predict, merrick garland selected jack smith precisely because he had the confidence in jack smith to make this recommendation. so i have a feeling whatever jack smith recommends merrick garland is going to give it a thumbs up assuming he's recommending indictments. the next thing you do is walk in the grand jury and ask for a vote. >> so evan corcoran, there's also been reporting about voice

memos that he took. donald trump's former lawyer. one, is that significant? do you typically do voice memos as a federal prosecutor? and how could that be used against donald trump? >> he probably wasn't doing voice memos when he was a federal prosecutor. i worked murder cases with evan corcoran. now that he's a criminal defense attorney, defense attorneys do memos to self and to file all the time. why? because no good deed goes unpunished. when a client gets convicted at trial you know one of the first things they do is? they blame their lawyer. they claim their lawyer provided ineffective assistance of counsel. that's why the lawyer has to be prepared to defend himself or herself with realtime contemporaneous memos that say, no wait a minute, here is what my client told me here is the advice i gave my client. so you know what, it's on the client, it's not on me for the legal advice i gave or failed

to give. the fact that evan corcoran has recorded all of this about his representation of donald trump, one, it is the usual play this but to most defense attorneys really think that's going to land in the hands of federal prosecutors. so they are very candid, they're very inclusive and the fact that jack smith's team has this audio recording of evan corcoran's perceptions and reflections on his representation of donald trump courtesy of the crime fraud exception. boy, that's potentially devastating evidence. >> i want to ask you about something on the timeline that former fbi director james comey said. because he indicated that there could be a rush to try to get these indictments out if indictment are going to be made in order to finish the trials before the election. do you think that timeline is possible? >> the timing scares me a little bit jen because the speedy trial act in federal court says from the day you are indicted and the day you are

supposed to go to trial 70 days. do we ever take a federal case to trial in 70 days? the answer is no, never. because the defense asks for continuance is, there are motions schedule set. the rule of thumb is about a year from the time of indictment to the time of trial. so where does that put us? summer of 2024? kind of on the cusp of the 2024 election. what keeps me up at night is the cases still pending against donald trump, it hasn't gone to trial. donald trump wins the white house and now, what, he orders his own prosecution dismissed. or courtesy of the office of legal counsel memo we now can't prosecute a sitting criminal president? that's the stuff of nightmares and fiction novels. >> glenn glenn kirschner a lot to watch a tricky timeline as you said, thanks for agreeing to come join us this afternoon. >> my pleasure. >> next up, i hate to bring it to you, but the debt ceiling deal is not the return of

bipartisanship to washington, i wish it was, i'll tell you what the real story is. and later, how pride month kicked off another wave of right-wing outrage which is looking a whole lot the cancel culture the gop has been so critical of, we're back after a quick break. k break. i saw myself in a photograph. and we were all smiling, and i looked closer, and i was like that- that's what everybody sees? i'm back, and i got botox® cosmetic. the lines were so prominent it's all i saw in the photograph, so now when i take photos, and i see myself in photos, its- it's me, i just have fewer lines. botox® cosmetic is fda-approved to temporarily make frown lines, crow's feet, and forehead lines look better. the effects of botox® cosmetic may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away, as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness may be a sign of a life-threatening condition. do not receive botox® cosmetic if you have a skin infection. side effects may include allergic reactions,

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get them released, those hostages released. let's call that negotiator joe just for the sake of this example of course. would a lead late kevin and joe work collaboratively to release hostages a sign of finding common ground and of things to come making any sense at all? no it would not miss. is the same thing. and i think you've caught on by now to who kevin and joe are. so now, the debt limit deal struck between speaker mccarthy and president biden is not a sign that washington is functioning again. i wish it was. yes, we've avoided default and economic catastrophe without too many terrible things in the final deal. yay for us. but the fact that the country came close to defaulting before a majority of congress voted to prevent that from happening with the deal which, by the way, included crowning achievements like less money going after people who teed on their taxes is not exactly a victory for the history books. and we shouldn't treated that way. on friday night president biden said this was a big win for

bipartisanship. i get it that's his campaign message that seen how he won in 2020. he has to say that. and also he very much believes it and believes and bipartisanship and compromise, that's a good thing. but bipartisanship working again is not my take away from last week. so let me tell you what is. joe biden was once again underestimated, again. his strategy and the strategy of team were once again questions the doubters were very wrong. you might have heard why isn't he out there more, why isn't it front and center on this that's going to make us lose the deal. if it sounds familiar, all of that doubting, it should. here are a few headlines around the negotiations leading up to the infrastructure deal. know the bipartisan infrastructure deal is probably doomed. quote, biden's agenda remains, agenda remains an realized.

. there was a thing when i was at the white house that the strategy was to be quiet. sharing every deal was not just a big mistake but made it far less likely to happen. because guess what, the biggest deals and the most important conversations often happen off camera. that's a part of the biden philosophy in the central part of the strategy that by the way has led to a lot of deals being made. being underestimated isn't always a bad thing either. it is given the president healthy chip on his shoulder to prove people wrong over and over again. and it isn't just his policymaking style it's also his political skill that people undervalue. remember these headlines? when will basement biden get in the game? despondent need a higher gear, some democrats think so. those aren't from recent months those are from the weeks before joe biden won the presidency and defeated donald trump. or how about these from the weeks before the midterm election. why. biden's closing argument worries some democrats and

could missed the mark of midterm voters. help or hindrance, but it takes a backseat as trump goes all in on midterms. we all remember how that turned out. democrats kept the senate and nearly kept the house. comey crazy but maybe, just maybe he's on to something here. maybe people don't want a frenetic twitter president, they don't want to circus. maybe getting things done is imploring and isn't as vanilla as some recent analysis has suggested. maybe governing is about making people lives better or trying to. maybe you don't have to litigate everything in public for progress to be made. in my experience, from working for him for nearly two years it's not really a problem for joe biden that he's underestimated, it's kind of a motivator for him. but the big lesson from this week isn't about the future of bipartisan deal making, don't hold your breath on that. it's that people should underestimate president biden at their own peril. up next, my wide-ranging interview with gisele fetterman

including her reflections about her husband's very public and very brave battle with depression. and later, apparently the party of free speech free market and big business draws the line of being openly accepting of being trans and gay. i've got a few thoughts to share about that we're back after a quick break. ick break.

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attacks against herself and her family. there's so much more to her than being a senator's wife. she came to this country when she was a young girl as an undocumented immigrant. she runs multiple nonprofits in her community and she is raising three children. i recently caught up with her at the free store she founded where everything is free to find out how she handles all of it. >> hi, great to be here, thank you so much for having me. >> we're so happy to have you. >> here we are at the free store. >> welcome, this is 11-year project. i'm very busy as you can see at all times. we serve about 100 families an hour. when we opened we were the first free store in the country and now we are one of many. we've inspired money to open since. >> tell me what inspired you to open it. >> when i came to this country as a young immigrant all my furniture came from the curb. i was a curb shopper. >> you drove around new york -- >> we walked around the

neighborhood. >> hi friends. >> what is the most rewarding thing about running the store if you could name one thing? >> i cry at least twice a week here so it happens a lot. it's really amazing to see, i've seen shoppers become donors. that cycle is really amazing. >> people here love you so much, i know that already by spending time here you came here when you were seven years old with your mom and your brother. you are an undocumented immigrant what was that experience like for you as a little kid. >> i watched america on television -- >> what was your perception? oh, home alone. >> how does all look the same, when i got here everything was cold. that's my first memory, how the hairs inside knows were frozen. but also feeling welcomed. i moved to queens, it was kind of a melting pot, i had a soft landing spot. and we did everything right, we peter taxes, worked really

hard. but then i remember thinking oh my god, maybe they don't want to be here. and that was a hard reality because i felt very american. >> >> another fact about you that surprised me is you are also a volunteer firefighter. >> so that was a childhood dream i was the oldest person at the academy. i was the academy mom. it was the first of all is the oldest person in a room, there was very cool to experience that shift. but i showed my kids, i told them to pursue their dreams. >> we're leaving the free store -- >> some have said that driving with me is an adventure. >> joe driving with me similar so don't worry i don't scary sully. >> so here we are sitting at the hollander project. initiative of the good -- >> it's for good, we believe that we should all live our

lives for good and do good things. it's kind of a really special place. we have women entrepreneurs that work out of here, a woman from the community. working to break cycles of poverty with their families, heads of households, single moms. it's just an incredible group of women. >> you describe yourself as a bit of a reluctant political spouse. i think it's fair to say you weren't dying to get into politics. >> i still hate politics. i don't know how i ended up here. i just think it's a hated what it has become and i think it can be very different of course and we need to elect the right people to change that. but it's just so leaning and i'm just not that way. >> the conversation as you are very well aware about mental health has been elevated in recent years. in part thanks to what you and your husband and family have done in being so vocal and outspoken about the need to talk about depression, address depression. do you just share what it's been like for you and your family to see how that has

inspired others, especially men who are less inclined to be outspoken or seek help for mental health issues? >> i'm so proud of him i mean it's so courageous. we always read in the news about when something tragic happens to someone and instead i want to read about someone talking openly about seeking help. >> when your husband checked into walter reed you wrote an incredibly powerful op-ed farrell magazine about the attacks and threats. a lot of that stuck with me but this quote, which i wrote down, which is included in there was when you demand that women steel themselves in the face of unending attacks we teach the next generation to normalize harassment. and that stuck with me and i'm sure many women who read it because we are taught unconsciously many of us to just say everything is fine and just fight through whatever challenge you may be facing. so why was that important for you to include in their? >> i think about little girls coming home from school and the

boys picking on them and how many times they say oh he must like you. these are things we hear from when we are very little and entering this world of politics that i happen to fall into people would always say don't worry, jill, you are going to toughen up. you're going to get a thicker skin. and it was never like we are going to address the issues. you're going to become stronger to deal with. >> we are going to change you. >> right i'm like, i like my skin, it's just fine. i don't want to think your skin looks like about the actual issues, not how we should become stronger to carry this way. >> you've received a significantly larger number of threats than your husband who has of course ran for office, is elected to the senate. why do you think that is? >> i think it's the immigrant part of it, i think it's easier to attack women. women are just a target. >> you have been attacked for a range of things. what do you wish to all of these people who caricature you would know about you and who

you are? >> i'm a really nice person when [laughter] i was voted nicest girl in my high school. it's not so much for me. i want them to know that i am, i can take it, i'm fine but there are millions of young women, young girls they're watching this and maybe making decisions that are not what they want for fear that they are next. and that's harmful and i'm sure you have young people in your life that you love and you have the option to choose a better way. it's okay to disagree on so many things but there's a way to do it. >> thank you two gisele fetterman for spending time with me. it's one of my favorite days that have had so far since starting this job. there's so much more to see from our time together in pennsylvania we are going to put all of it on the msnbc youtube page. coming up, businesses have been celebrating pride month for years. so why is there suddenly so much backlash to it from the right? i'll do my best to explain that

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brands like bud light, retail chains like target and coals. teams like the los angeles dodgers all facing outrage from the right for the lgbtq partnerships and merchandise. they've melted down over a trans woman receiving a personalized beer can. they nearly lost their minds over the sale of pride flags on kids clothing and the fifth of some swimwear. that's what's animated some of these right-wing boycotts. but all of this outrage and these boycotts from the wing of the pro business party is actually hurting the bottom line for some of these companies. and fox news can't get enough of it, somehow. >> go what go broke. >> go will go broke. >> going going broke. >> companies need to return to respecting their customers and their country. >> something has to happen for these corporations to stop targeting underage children sexualizing them and grooming them. >> it's about indoctrination. >> they are pushing it in

stores. it makes me afraid to go shopping. >> it's not anti-trans it's pro kid. you shouldn't have to walk into target and have to explain that or feel like that you're being inundated with that view. >> i mean my favorite there is the rainbow clothing makes are afraid to go shopping as of the rainbows going to buy her something. but go will go broke, that is what you heard over and over again. you know that means, if you can erase the lgbtq+ community we will try to bankrupt you. i got a target just like many of you all the time and if i see things i don't want to buy for myself or for my kids i just walk along, it's fine. the rainbow flags biting me. but why this kind of reaction now in 2023? target has sold pride themed items for years including children sizes. rainbow flags were not exactly invented in 2023. this is a picture of a display from 2016, seven years ago. in 2019 bud light sold rainbow

aluminum bottles in bars across the country for pride month. yes, 2019. fox news wasn't bothered enough in either of those instances to run wall-to-wall coverage of that back then. and the sisters of perpetual indulgence, the charity group of the dodgers are planning to honor at the teams pride night for the groups service to their communities, it's been an organization since 1979. with multiple chapters around the world. yet it's only now that fox news and mike pence are very worked up about them. so why the amplified outrage in this moment? what's different? it isn't the businesses. when you should modern-day american rate desperately trying to draw battle lands in their culture war. for more than a year the heart rate and its media allies have whipped themselves up into a moral panic to the point now that they are enthusiastically rolling back lgbtq+ rights and

regularly using language like indoctrination, grooming, and sexualization to talk about inclusion in the lgbtq community. it has become such a race to the bottom to pride, diversity equity and inclusion that they are running out of things to be outraged about. just this week fox news ran multiple segments about chick-fil-a's decision to appoint a vice president of diversity equity and inclusion. in 2021. so apparently the outrage machine can get activated over the appointment of one person two years ago to position that, by the way, most companies already have. but the thing is in this is a little awkward for them over there. the editorial site may not even be aligned with the business side at fox. because fox news posted this eerie looking tweet attacking target for supporting glss iain whose goals are ending

discrimination in bowling based on sexual orientation gender identity and gender expression k-12 schools. that's what they posted. but you know who has supported this company, you guessed it, fox's parent company. fox corporation, in 2021. and it's not crazy to why it's a good business decision. according to a glaad survey from this year 70% of non lgbtq+ adults agree companies should publicly support the lgbtq community through hiring practices, advertising and sponsorships. it's not just morally the right thing to do, it's good business. it looks like it might be good for a company, go figure, including fox corporation, if it shows some support for a wide swath of american families. all different families. but on the beginning of this pride month that is not what the right wing of the party of free speech and big businesses cares to believe or cares to embrace. they are fine to walk away from all of those declared principles against cancel culture and for business. if it has to do anything with

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>> you've had such a long career as a prosecutor and had the distinction of being one of only eight fbi directors. if someone had told you at the start of your term that you would be writing crime novels you'd be spending time with grandkids, what would you have told yourself, what would you responsive been? >> there's no way. but it just highlights for me most of my career, most of my life is, generates an impostor complex. how did i end up here and what's happened? but it's all been good. i'm really lucky to be where i am now. >> i know this is fiction but how much of it was based on your actual experiences in law enforcement over the course of decades? >> i tried to draw it from things that i had done. people have always said you should write what you know. so i've tried not to make it a bio of particular individuals, and learn from my kid that not every tillis with song is about an old boyfriend. >> many of them are. >> yes but sometimes it's made up i'm, not telling you which is which but i tried to make it real and bring people inside the work that i had done and

show them what it's really like. >> one of the things that struck me is that the heroes in the story or not like jason bourne. they're not flying out of helicopters with multiple guns and taking down criminals. they are working in and in cubicles. they're doing the research, -- was it purposeful on your part of showing what law enforcement is actually like? >> i want to show folks this is where it really is this is what people are like. and it's ordinary in the furniture stings and there's mold in the windows. >> you don't like the architecture very much in these buildings? >> it's ugly 70s architecture but the work is amazing and it's really exciting without having people jumping out of helicopters and wrestling suspects to the ground when they are just a federal prosecutor. >> the protectionist of the book is based on your oldest daughter who's an assistant attorney for the southern district of new york and a very

successful prosecutor of well-known cases in her own right. a lot of the characters stories also derived from your own experience. is the character more you or more your daughter? >> i think it's more her and actually tried to combine a vision of all four of my tallest mart strong daughters who created the idea of me trying to pick pieces of them and put it into a character. but nor carleton is mainly inspired by my old asked who went to the line of work i wasn't as a federal prosecutor. i worried that she would be known as my daughter in the cool thing is i've known as her father. because she's done so well so when i was working on this she was literally trying a high profile case in the same courtroom where i prosecuted mobsters when she was four years old. so it had to be a woman as the protectionist and it's much more fun because i'm not thinking about me in writing and thinking about these women i love and learned a lot from and it makes flow out of me in a different way. >> james comey's new book

central park west is available in bookstores everywhere. before we go, congratulations are in order for some of our friends here at nbc. after nearly a decade checked out announced he will be transitioning into a new role at nbc news and stepping away from the moderator chair meet the press. there's simply no bigger job in this business and chuck has done it with tenacity and class and an infectious love of politics. so the chuck thank you for every election you've walked a soul through and we are excited for what's next here at nbc. we've also learned that chuck will pass the baton to kristen welker this fall. i know that kristen is simply the best of the best at what she does from 6 am phone calls to 11 pm wants to get the story right. she's a complete and total best. so choking kristen -- that does it for me today but stay where where we are because there's much more coming up enemies msnbc. there's much more coming u enemies msnbc.