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justice is not being served for natalee. >> he'll soon have to answer for his crimes, writing in a statement, we are finally getting justice for natalee. sam brock, nbc news. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's get right to it. ♪♪ at this hour, inside the likely cause of a disastrous train crash in india that left nearly 300 people dead, hundreds more injured. right now, families across the country are rushing to the crash site for news about their loved ones. and federal judge rules that tennessee's first in the nation law that created strict limits on drag shows is unconstitutional. plus, we are likely very close to hearing from the federal grand jury in the classified documents case against former president donald trump. and as they are expected to meet this week, today lawyers for
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trump were seen at the department of justice. also, the mysterious sonic boom heard around washington, what we know about the investigation into the scrambling of f-16 fighter jets after a private plane was flying off course and into protected air space above the capitol. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. i want to start in washington with the latest on that plane crash and nbc's tom costello. tom, what's happening right now? >> reporter: investigators are now on the scene. ntsb investigators are on the scene of this remote plane crash in virginia. in a very thick, wooded forest. there is nothing left of this private plane, a citation cessna that went down midday yesterday. you can see the charred remains. investigators say it literally is decimated there on the ground. it's so remote it takes hours to hike in. this will not be a quick or a fast or an easy investigation. this all started, of course, with a flight that seemed to be
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really confusing. the flight, a private plane, left tennessee. that happened midday yesterday, about 1:13 yesterday. headed for long island new york and suddenly unexpected did that u-turn nobody can quite explain. there's a theory by the way. came back towards d.c. air space. as it was coming into d.c. air space, fighter jets were scrambled because, of course, this is restricted air space. f-16 fighter jets intercepted the plane, radioed the plane, but that pilot on board the private plane had not been communicating with controllers for hours. they had actually cleared other planes around the private plane. and then the fighter jets radioed the pilot, no response and then they looked in the cockpit and could see he was incapacitated, slumped over the controls. and then they followed the plane as it went on into virginia and crashed into that mountain side. the predominant theory right now, according to aviation experts is that we're looking at something similar to what happened back in 1999, when the
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gulf legend payne stewart was on board a plane with five other people and that plane suffered a sudden air pressure, cabin depressurization. there was no probable -- no air pressure inside that cabin. as a result, everybody on board was incapacitated, including the crew. the plane flew and flew and flew and finally ran out of gas, similar to this plane and crashed in south dakota. so now they have to rye to pick together the pieces to see if they can determine if that was truly what happened or if there was some sort of a medical emergency. chris, all indications are at this hour that that pilot on board this plane sunday literally flew 300 miles or so and most of that journey was without radio communication, with controllers. it's quite possible the auto pilot simply turned the plane back to its original point of origin, i should say, and it crashed before it could get there. >> tragic indeed. tom costello, thank you so much.
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now to that d.c. grand jury expected back at work this week as prosecutors near the end of the classified documents investigation into donald trump. nbc senior legal correspondent laura jarrett joins me now. what's happening today? and where do we go from here, laura? >> hi, chris. well, today the former president trump's attorneys made a trip to the justice department trying to make a final pitch about why their client obviously should not be charged in this case. there have been no charges, no indictment to speak of, but you can see there on your screen, three of them walking out after meeting we're told with senior justice department officials. it's our understanding the attorney general was not a part of this meeting despite the former president's attorney asking to get a meeting with him. they did not get a meeting with him today we're told. all this, of course, as the investigation appears, appears i should say because not definite, appears to be entering a final stretch. it's our understanding after there being somewhat of a hiatus for the grand jury, they are now once again expected to meet
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again this week, chris. >> laura jarrett, thank you so much for that. i know you'll continue to follow it for us. let's go to tennessee where a federal judge has overturned a law restricting drag shows, calling them both -- calling the law both constitutionally vague and substantially overbroad. nbc's antonia hilton is following this for us. i know you've been covering these kinds of stories for a very long time. bring us up to speed on the very latest. >> well, chris, this has been the result of months of back and forth and intense debate in tennessee. this came after performers, drag performers, launched a lawsuit back in march against this law, arguing it violated their first amendment rights and opened them up to potentially discriminatory treatment because, as the judge said the law was seen as overbroad, as vague in some sections, it open them up to different interpretations from different law enforcement agencies and led to a lot of fear in the lgbtq community and
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among the performers there in the state. and it came af activists and republican lawmakers labeled it threatening to children and inherently sexual. that's why they worked on this legislation in the first place. republicans in the state of tennessee who rallied behind this legislation they were disapointed with this decision, came from a trump-appointed judge, one of the activists who i know had worked to get this legislation passed was surprised by that, disappointed that this judge didn't have their side. but the senator who wrote with, senator jack johnson, released a statement this weekend saying that sadly this ruling is a victory for those who support exposing children to sexual entertainment. so, that right there gives you a taste of some of the way in which drag performances have been described or seen by both lawmakers and some of the families in tennessee who fought for these restrictions to be in place. the organization friends of
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georgias, an entertainment and performance group based out of memphis, they were celebrating this victory, saying this win represents a triumph over hate. it, of course; comes now during the month of pride. many lgbtq communities in tennessee have been pretty fearful this month, worried about paying for extra security, concerned given the environment, not just in their state, chris, but really around the country, as we see hundreds of bills that have been filed during this legislative session in tennessee and elsewhere that target performances like drag but also access to medical care, use of public restrooms for transgender people and other lgbtq identities. so there's a sense of a partial victory, but still that the battle hasn't yet been won. >> thank you for that. we're now getting more details from india about what caused a devastating train crash that killed almost 300 people. nbc's josh ledderman is reporting on this for us. josh, what do we know? >> reporter: chris, we are now in the solemn faeds of this disaster where family members are showing up, trying to
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identify the bodies of loved ones, going hospital to hospital searching for those they hope may still be alive. as authorities try to get to the bottom of what happened here, and a preliminary report from railroad officials that nbc news has seen says that it was a signal failure, they believe, that sent the express high speed passenger train, on to the wrong track. the signal initially was sending this train on to the main line rail track but then something change and it was instead directed on to a parallel track known as the loop line, where they often store trains, they park them there where while other trains are going by. in fact, there was a cargo train filled with heavy iron oar parked on that loop line. the high speed passenger train at 80 miles an hour crashing directly into it, causing it to derail and some of those derailed cars then landing back on the main line where another high speed passenger train was
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going in the opposite direction and hit those derailed cars which is how we ended up with three different trains involved in this very tragic disaster in india. prime minister modi of india spent billions trying to modernize india's railroad system was supposed to inaugurate this past weekend a new high speed train that would have special technology on it to make sure that these types of collisions can't happen, but this older train did not have that technology on it, which is how this was able to happen. the prime minister now threatening severe punishment for whoever is found guilty of what happened in this incident, chris. >> josh ledderman, thank you. a chinese warship coming dangerously close to an american destroyer just days after a jet flew past the nose of the u.s. plane. how concerned are u.s. officials getting about these close calls? we're back in 60 seconds. calls? we're back in 60 seconds (vo) this is sadie. she's on verizon, and she has the new myplan where she gets exactly what she wants and only pays for what she needs.
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u.s. and chinese diplomats held candid and productive talks in beijing today. this is an encouraging sign at a moment of high tensions between the two superpowers. both sides spent the weekend trading accusations over another dangerous close call between their militaries, this time in the taiwan strait. a chinese warship cut across the path of an american destroyer on saturday and that forced the u.s. ship to have to slow down just to avoid a crash. and that happened just days after a chinese fighter jet flew past the nose of a u.s. reconnaissance plane, an unnecessarily aggressive maneuver, according to the pentagon. joining us now, ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser and msnbc political contributor. good to see you, ben. we have been seeing these close encounters around taiwan. at a summit over the weekend, china's new defense minister suggested that the u.s. and its allies are creating the danger, patrolling areas where they have
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no business being. put what we're seeing into perspective, ben. >> well, i think two things are happening here, chris. first of all, the united states views this as international waters where we have a right to conduct operations. and china has become increasingly aggressive in recent years trying to treat the taiwan strait, the waterway between mainland china and taiwan their own waters in keeping with their claim on taiwan. so that's leading to more of these close encounters. obviously what we're concerned about is one of these things escalating, a collision that could lead to a military incident. the other thing that's been happening, chris, that the military to military engagement between the u.s. military and the chinese military has suffered along with the deterioration and ties between the united states and china generally. so we don't have the kind of military exchanges, the kind of hotlines that we want to make use of to avoid these kinds of incidents or resolve them if they happen. that's, i think, putting everybody a bit on edge. >> you know, that same summit of
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defense leaders, secretary lloyd austin said the u.s. isn't going to be bullied. he said the right time to talk is now. so, do you think it's encouraging that there is this meeting that they're talking about having candid and productive discussions between beijing, between american and chinese diplomats? >> look, talking is definitely better than not talking in this case, chris. i think the real question, though, is whether that leads to something more formal. in the past we had formal military to military exchanges, regular dialogue between the two militaries. again that has suffered a exit in recent years. so what you would like to see is this return to normalization of our militaries being in contact with one another because the reality is this is going to happen more and more, given the geopolitical tensions, given how much military activity there is in the taiwan strait. we have seen this happen in the south china sea, another body of water that china claims as its own. the u.s. and most of the rest of
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the world including our allies obviously see as international waters. we need to have structures in place to prevent inadvertent escalation. that's what secretary austin doesn't want, an incident that doesn't need to happen and shouldn't escalate. so hopefully this diplomacy can lead to more diplomacy and reduction in these types of tensions and incidents. >> secretary austin is in india today. he laid out this new rope map cooperation between the u.s. and and i india, defense industries, this is very familiar to you, president obama was there talking about some of the same issues back in 2015. so, prime minister modi is also set to visit washington later this month. talk about the importance of india, the role they can play with china. >> this is a huge and important story, chris. because essentially india is central to the u.s. strategy of trying to build a network of partners and allies in asia
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pacific region that, let's be honest, part of an effort to try to blunt chinese ambitions, try to create norms that we agree with our allies on that we then try to get china to follow as well. so we've been deepening ties between the united states and india in the defense sector. we have been trying to facilitate greater u.s. investment in india as an alternative to china, supply chains running through india instead of having vulnerable supply chains in china. this has been a major focus of the biden administration building on success of administrations. the reality, chris, it's connected to what we're just talking about. the chinese are saying, on the one hand, lloyd austin says he wants to talk to us. on the other hand he's building a containment strategy against china. shows how delicate this balance is where the united states wants to build up relationships that can allow it to counter an increasingly aggressive china while at the same time trying to rebuild that diplomatic econnection to china. that's a tough thing to do. the chinese are watching this
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weary and are concerned about the u.s. becoming closer to india, particularly in the defense sector. so all this will have to be carefully managed when prime minister modi comes to washington, he'll get a big welcome. that, too, will send a message around the world including to beijing. this is the direction that geopolitics are going. the u.s. and a collection of countries coming together to try to counter china, which is closer to russia as they become more aggressive on the world stage. >> well, ben rhodes, thank you. you'll be interested to hear this because john kirby is behind the podium at the white house pres briefing talking about the increasingly level of aggressiveness by china. let's listen. >> senior director for china. >> you have to be careful about the words you choose, but what is -- in describing this, what is the best way to describe what china is doing in the air and on the seas? >> i'll try to give you an
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answer, but i sure would like to hear beijing justify what they're doing. that said, these are intercepts. now, look, air and maritime intercepts happen all the time. it's done professionally and done inside the international law and it's done in accordance with the rules of the road. these two you saw recently -- they have happened with more frequency than we would like, not all of them are unsafe and unprofessional, but these two were. you saw in the air intercept they forced our aircraft and our c-135 to basically go through the jet wash. you saw the bump in the cockpit, that shows you how close that chinese fighter was to our jet. and in the maritime intercept, 150, 140 yards, speaking as an old sailer myself, i will tell you that's pretty close when you're in open waters like that. you can see the head of steam
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that that chinese vessel had on it as it crossed the bow of one of our destroyers. no call for that. it's unsafe. it's unprofessional. as to why they're doing it, i think, again, that's a great question to ask them. what i would tell you from our perspective is we're flying. we're sailing. we're operating in international air space and international waters. and both of those incidents were in complete compliance with international law. there was absolutely no need for the pla to act as aggressively as they did. it won't be long before somebody gets hurt. that's the concern with these unsafe and unprofessional intercepts. they can lead to misunderstandings. they can lead to miscalculations. when you have pieces of metal that size, whether it's in the air or on the sea, and they're operating that close together, i wouldn't take much for an error in judgment or mistake to get made and somebody could get hurt. and that's just got to be
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unacceptable. >> john, you just said that this was part of a pattern of increasing level of aggressiveness. >> that's right. >> so why was it appropriate to send two senior officials to visit china on the anniversary of the tiananmen square massacre? >> it wasn't tined to the anniversary of the tiananmen square. it wasn't timed specifically to deal with these intercepts. you can imagine a trip to beijing by u.s. officials takes some time to plan. so it wasn't timed to these events. that said, both these u.s. officials used the opportunity to raise our concern over these two intercepts that i just talked to ed about. absolutely raised the concerns that we had. now, we had raised those concerns through our embassy as well, so this wasn't a new message that the chinese were hearing, but i think you can also understand, jackie, particularly when times are tense, particularly when there's a risk of miscalculation, and particularly when the pla is acting as aggressively as it is
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with no reason whatsoever that's the time you want to be able to have a conversation, whether that conversation is over the phone or face to face. now, this visit was very much in keeping with our larger, longer efforts to keep the lines of communication with the prc open and we'll see where this goes after that. >> there's been criticism of the administration for sending officials on that anniversary. was that decision a messaging misstep? >> we would not call it a misstep. this was a long-planned trip. this is the way the schedules worked out. but, i think honestly, people will be criticizing the timing of tiananmen square a whole heck of a lot of nothing. it wasn't timed to do anything with the anniversary. again, both these officials were nothing but candid and direct about our concerns particularly over the intercepts and of course they brought up issues of human rights as well, as we always do. it's important to have these communication vehicles open.
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it's important to be able to have those kinds of conversations. and i think we're a whole lot less worried about the date on the calendar than what's on the agenda when we start talking to them. >> yes. aside from expressing verbal concerns and communicating our displeasure with this, is the united states response to back china down from this increased aggressiveness? >> we have continued to convey that message to them. obviously we're not in control of their military and their military assets or they military leaders. we urge them to make better decisions about how they operate in international air space and sea space. whether they acknowledge those rules of the road or not, they are the rules of the road. for a nation, like china, that continuously touts international law and sovereignty and territorial integrity, you think they would understand when a vessel or aircraft is operating, in fact, in international air space and sea space. we're going to keep standing up for those rules of the road.
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we're going to keep standing up to that international law and keep flying and keep say sailing and operating where international law allows us to. it's important concept, freedom of navigation whether on the air o r sea an important concept that the united states will continue to stand up for. >> thank you. on ukraine, what is your understanding of whether the counteroffensive has begun? has it begun? >> i won't be talking fbt ukrainian military. that's for them to speak to. you heard them say earlier today that they're conducting offensive operations, but i won't go beyond that. what i can speak is how hard we worked to prepare them to be ready. whether it's starting now or starting soon or when mp they decide to step up and whatever they decide to do, the president's confident that we did everything we could over the last six, eight, months or more to make sure they had all the equipment, the training, the capabilities to be successful. >> thanks. back to china, do you think all
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of these incidents are sort of an effort to intimidate or impact other channels of communication that you are trying to keep open? or do you see them compartmentalizing the military sort of realm from you guys trying to send blinken other there and yellen over there and roman doe. >> it's difficult to know for sure. obviously when you fly and sail as aggressively and you saw the video for yourself. you don't need me to tell you how aggressive it was. you're trying to send some kind of a message. at the very least it's a statement of some sort of displeasure about our presence in that part of the world. but as the president said very clearly in hiroshima, we are a pacific power. we're not going anywhere. we have serious commitments in that part of the world. five of our seven treaty alliances are in the indo-pacific. the vast majority of international economic trade
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flows through the indo-pacific. we have real needs there and we'll stay there and continue to strengthen and revitalize those alliances and relationships. i wouldn't speak for the prc, wouldn't do it. the message they're trying to send we're not welcome or our presence needs to be diminished or they want us to stop flying and sailing and operating in support of international law, not going to happen. >> would you say, though, as this is going on you're continuing to make progress in setting up these visits for secretaries blinken, yellen, romando? >> yeah, the ability to get two officials there while we're talking is a good sign. we want to keep those lines open. it's important. specially as i said now. in general without predicting what the next visit will be or by whom or when, yes. we are feeling like we are making progress in terms of opening up additional lines of communication. >> thank you. thank you.
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i have two questions. as you know, north korea has nuclear weapons whether we condemn or not. do you think that nuclear disarmament talk to north korea or possibility to resolve the north korean nuclear issues or continue to wait for the -- >> it's not about waiting. we have made it clear to kim jong-un and the regime in pyongyang that we're willing to sit down without preconditions to talk about the denuclearization of the peninsula. that hasn't changed. it's not about waiting. we continue to send that message. what we haven't gotten is any indication from pyongyang that they're willing to engage in those kinds of talks, but the
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offer still stands. >> is there some possibility of sequencing the visits differently? so secretary yellen talked about sequencing being an issue, sort of implied that perhaps blinken should go first. but given the challenges and the sort of political realm and military realm, does it make to forego the economic team. >> yeah. that's putting that cart way ahead of the horse right now. we're glad that we were able to get this visit in beijing. we'll see what they come back with. i mean, clearly one of the goals was to advance the communication with the prc and see what we can do to get these higher level visits in play. we're not there yet to talk about sequencing or specific scheduling. but we're hopeful. and we'll see what they come back with and what we're able to talk about. >> on the nato secretary general
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succession thing, issue, do you know whether the president intended to speak with danish prime minister about that today? and whether he has any thoughts about the importance of having a woman leading for the first time? >> that is not the purpose for the trip, not the purpose for the conversation. i sort of detailed in my opening statement what they're really going to focus on. >> if i can shift gears to two different topics. one is how do you all interpret saudi arabia's decision to unilaterally cut oil production? >> so a very animated john kirby at the podium in the white house. this is obviously a confluence of issues that play into his wheelhouse. he's obviously the spokesman for the national security council and these are security issues. but also, a former retired rear admiral in the navy and talking about those two very close calls, one in the air, one in the sea and making a pointed remark about it. won't be long before somebody gets hurt. it wouldn't take much. and once again, disputing what
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china has to say about those close calls. we'll continue to follow that. meantime, the u.s. navy says it came to the aid of a commercial ship that was being harassed by a revolutionary car in the strait of hormuz on sunday. they responded to a distress call from the ship which was being pursued by three three fast attack boats carrying armed iranian troops. the u.s. and uk ships sent a helicopter and patrol aircraft to observe the situation which deescalated an hour later. iran has not acknowledged the incident yet. new fears of a potential serial killer on the loose in oregon after six women were reported missing and found dead. what local law enforcement is saying. what local law enforcement is saying oh booking.com, ♪ i'm going to somewhere, anywhere. ♪ ♪ a beach house, a treehouse, ♪ ♪ honestly i don't care ♪ find the perfect vacation rental for you
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so far six different women in the portland metro area all under the age of 40 have been found dead within 100 miles of each other and just weeks apart. nbc's marissa para is following this for us. what more do we know about the victims? and what are officials what are investigators saying about the possibility that this could be a serial killer? >> reporter: yeah. that's the really key part here especially as there's so much speculation about is there one person behind all of this. but i want to start with the victims and why there's so much alarm right now in this area. so this was all in the portland metro area that this happened, within the span of three months. starting on february 19th. and you're going to see all the faces of these women who vanished and then turned up dead at some point between february and may. you can see just how close in proximity they were all found in rural, wooded areas. again, they had been missing for one reason or another. and then turned up dead. now, in terms of the six women, here is what we know. one of them, a confirmed
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homicide that was joanna speaks died from blunt force trauma to the head. the other ones we know four of them have been classified as suspicious deaths, but something that we all know, when it comes to serial killers, what law enforcement are looking into is there a pattern? not only are they looking at is this done by one person, they're also trying to figure out, bottom line, was this all a result of homicide? we don't know if there was any overdose possibility with any of these other women. we know that one of them the unidentified woman they said they did not suspect foul play. so, of course, they're trying to establish was it a homicide for the rest of the women? and also, was it one person? so when we spoke to a former fbi agent in terms of the ways that they're going to go about confirming that, because there's different agencies involved outside portland, two counties involved, they're working together.
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they'll look at the manner of death. they'll look, of course at forensic evidence. they'll look manner of death, pattern and similarity in terms of a weapon used. did the women have something in common with each other? did they know each other? again, those are things that will take time. in terms of what's publicly available, unfortunately there is not a lot of information and that's why when we have spoken to family members they have been frustrated because they haven't felt like they've been given enough information to feel like they can safely say that there isn't a present danger to other people out there. and we know from speaking with the family of joanna speaks, the stepsister, we know that her family has been in touch with the families of some of the other victims. chris a lot more questions than answers, but we know at the very least regardless of how these women died, certainly a traeng to know that six of them vanished and turned up dead regardless of the reasons why. >> marissa parra, thank you so much for that. well, this morning in london's high court, prince
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today some major moves to tell you about in the 2024 race. former vice president mike pence filing paperwork, declaring his campaign for president in 2024 and of course that sets up the long-awaited challenge to his former boss, donald trump. new hampshire governor chris sununu meantime is ruling out a run, saying beating trump is more important and, in fact, in a "washington post" op-ed he warns republicans not to be complacent, writing, quote, candidates should not get into this race to further a vanity campaign, to sell books or audition to serve as donald trump's vice president. well, a pointed show of
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defiance against governor ron desantis in his on going battle with disney. despite growing anti-lgbtq threats and political rhetoric, thousands have gone to orlando to celebrate gay days at disney. just one of major companies standing firm in their support of pride events nationwide in the face of boycotts. democratic strategist and former chair of the new york state democratic party. so, let me read to you how "the washington post" put it, quote, rainbow hued merchandise designed by disney including a plush mickey mouse waving a pride flag flew off thes as quickly as it could be restocked. drag queen bingo was held. in the end, all 1001 rooms in the host hotel were booked. cultural wedge issue, call i whatever you want, it does seem like this fight is here to stay. >> it's certainly here to stay but also cultural fights have been -- since the founding of
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this country and will continue on ward. one of the things that's changed is that the businesses are realizing that rather than exclude these communities they need to be more inclusive. number one, it's right the thing to do. number two, it's good business for them. hotel rooms are being sold out, merchandise is being bought, people are participating in events, that means more money for the business. that means more tax revenue for cities and state. it is good business to be inclusive. that's why companies are doing this dei work right now. so, having said that, i still think those cultural wars are going to be waged by republicans because they're intent upon doing that. but, to me, it's a losing bargain because more and more americans are turned off by that kind of rhetoric because that rhetoric can also turn into violence and that's what scares everybody. >> if you just look at the polls, the polls show clearly that the vast majority of americans believe in equal rights. they believe in gay rights.
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and so, if you want to play a long game on this and you're a business, let's not kid ourselves. businesses are in the business of making money and making money for their shareholders, how does it make sense not to do what we're seeing? >> one of the things i think about with politics is core task. turning intent into behavior. how do we get you to think a certain way and act on that thinking and on that mindset. it seems like the enemies of inclusion here are particularly ron desantis are focussed on making those cities and states inhospitable to certain communities. when you think of teaching and book banning also into those professions and those activities. so the question is, will that have a real effect? does it actually impact how people think, whether they move into that state, move out of that state, how businesses do what they do. and but the same point is true, if businesses are doing well, if people are continuing to spend money in that state, if people still want to go to schools in
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that state, they have to make a decision to say, look, enough is enough. stop with the rhetoric. cut it out. stop trying to pass these horrific laws and get where the rest of the country is. so, again in the long-term, i don't think this is a winning position. >> ron desantis is deterred. he talked about fighting against woke this weekend. in fact, at one point he used the word seven times in 30 seconds. let's take a listen. >> as president, i recognize that the woke mind virus represents a war on the truth, so we will wage a war on the woke. we will fight the woke in education. we will fight the woke in the corporations. we will fight the woke in the halls of congress. we will never, ever surrender to the woke mob. we will make woke ideology leave it to the dust bin of history. it's gone. >> it's almost not new in any
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presidential campaign that in a primary you speak to your base and then you make a pivot. but how do you pivot from that? >> i don't know. i'm a black man. i don't use the word woke nearly as much as he did. that's my issue with ron desantis. i don't know that he can -- he might win a primary. i don't think he could ever win a general election in this country speaking the way that he's speaking now. look, the anti-trans agenda that he has is part of the larger woke agenda is a response to all the protests that existed prior. that's gotten to -- country to a point where folks can enjoy marriage equality. that's off the table for some right now. so what's next? it's this attack on the trans population. if you add that to everything that he's doing in education, what he's trying to say is that parent freedom, which is what he's talking about, is this proxy for personal freedom, right? >> right. >> once he gets in that door, they're able to start talking about a whole lot of other issues and mobilize result of that. but again, i do think because
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it's not where the country is, that in the long term it's a losing proposition. in the short term, you have to make sure that it doesn't keep people from continuing to mobilize, going in the polls and votes against it. >> always great to have you in the studio. thank you. appreciate it. tragic news today from the site of that collapsed apartment building in iowa. officials recovered the final missing body this morning. nbc's maggie vespa is following this closely for us. what more can you tell us? >> these were as you know the first confirmed deaths in this building collapse, even though this was essentially a worst fears of family, friends and really everybody in the community covering this all last week. there they are, brandon colvin, ryan hitchcock and daniel prien, the three men officials say were missing. there was a gap of the rubble got under way and families were upset about that. per a press conference this morning, brandon colvin was
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found, his remains were recovered on saturday. ryan hitchcock on sunday. daniel prien at 2:30 this morning. family members and relatives for all three men have been notified. autopsies are scheduled. the police chief also saying that the investigation is on going. this after the city made it very clear that criminal charges were, they said, a possibility in this case. potentially people asking about that tied to the buildings owner who has been accused of ignoring red flags about the building's condition, potentially against the contractor who was working on the building at the time. again, those are questions being asked. the city not ruling it out. at the same time, we now have what the attorneys who filed this say could be the first of many lawsuits filed this morning on behalf of a tenant who was living in the building when it collapsed just over a week ago, a week ago sunday. that tenant's name is dana fairbach. she was living in the building at the time. basically this suit against the city of davenport, the building's owner, and the
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contractor working at it as well as former owners, red flags were ignored. alleges the building should have been evacuated when it wasn't and alleging that all the defendants, quote, recognized the imminent danger residents faced yet allowed the building to deteriorate while failing to warn residents that their lives were in danger. again, that is a quote from the lawsuit. just filed this morning in scott county, iowa. we have, chris, reached out to all the defendants filed in this lawsuit. so far no response. but again, attorneys say this could be the first of many. chris? >> wouldn't be surprises, maggie vespa, thank you for that. jury selection is under way in the trial never seen before in the u.s. a sheriff's deputy charged for not confronting the parkland school shooter. the challenges for this first of its kind case next. getting better. break it down candace. they got world class bakers to develop their tastiest bread yet. this truly makes the subway series a dream team. you know about that chuck. yeah, i was the bread of that team too.
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he has pled not guilty to to all charges. i want to bring in former federal prosecutor and legal affairs columnist rinaldo. let's start with the first challenge in the first of its kind case. does the fact that this is such an unusual premise impact jury selection? >> absolutely. i think prosecutors are going to be on the lookout to see whether or not they have somebody who, for example, is going to take a very technical view of the law. i think people who are very -- certainly have experience in the law but people who have a very technical mindset are going to be looking at the very specific words in the statute and are not going to be the sort of jurors prosecutors are looking for. they're looking for jurors who will be shocked by the conduct of this police officer, the former sheriff's deputy i should say, and want to hold him
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responsible for conduct that doesn't neatly fit into existing statutes, even though they've been charged here, and is willing to i think, you know, fit that conduct into these existing statutes. >> so if convicted, big if, on these child neglect counts he could face nearly a century in prison. the stakes are very, very high here. what exactly is the biggest challenge for prosecutors? >> to as to the child neglect counts, those are typically a case, for example, where somebody left their kid at home, an infant at home unsupervised or in a hot car and the child ultimately was killed. he would argue that they have to show that he was a caretaker here. they would have to -- they're going to have to convince jurors he was, in fact, the caretaker for these kids. he's going to say look, i was the school resource officer, assigned there, but these kids were not under my care in the way it's understood under the statute.
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that's no what he was there to do. he's going to try to lean on and the prosecutors have to push back, the fact that jurors will try to give leeway to a law enforcement officer unsure about exactly what's happening inside the school. ultimately, that i think is going to be a challenge for prosecutors, as well as on the negligence counts, he's going to say i did not expect anyone to die, i did not, you know, expect anything to be happening there. i didn't act with disregard for life. those are going to be the challenges that i think prosecutors are going to have. >> predicting what's going to happen during a trial is generally a fool's errand and particularly in case like this, where again, we're dealing with something we never have before, but do you think there's a legitimate chance here that he'll testify? >> i think he has to testify. i think if he doesn't testify, unless the trial is going poorly for the government, it's going to be very difficult for the
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jury i think to let him off the hook because he's got to explain -- there's one charge that i think is very important, chris, which is a charge that he lied to police when he said he did not see the gunman at a certain point entering the building and didn't see kids running out. he's got to explain that. if he doesn't explain that and take the stand, the jury at least on that charge is, you know, going to be very skeptical. i think that's the challenge for the defense and why the charge was included. >> we lost your video, but there he's back, and we're happy to have your audio. thank you. good to he sa you. appreciate your time. meantime a growing number of health care workers recruited from outside the u.s. to help confront an expanding nursing shortage here, say that instead of being praised for their efforts, they're being punished by the very companies that hired them. several told nbc news they're not only overworked and under paid and also trapped by multiyear contracts that force them to stay at jobs they hate
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or risk financial ruin. shannon petedy piece has been investigating this. very disturbing reporting here. you spoke to one lawyer who said this is essentially a bait and switch. they recruit nurses other countries and then once they're here they essentially exploit them. tell us more. >> yeah. exactly, chris. i spoke to more than a dozen immigrant nurses and reviewed hundreds of pages of legal documents and there's a clear pattern that emerges. a number of these nurses say they are being brought from overseas to work in facilities that are chronically under staffed, where in some cases they are the only nurse for 30 to 40 patients. they aren't able to get patients their medication on time or be able to get there quickly enough to prevent them from having a fall, if they need to go to the bathroom. they said they're being under paid compared to their american colleagues and not being paid for overtime they worked. if they want to quit and find a
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job elsewhere, they can under the green card visas, they're issued, they're unable to because they're locked into these contracts that in cases have tense of thousands of dollars in breach fees they're required to pay back if they want to leave before a certain year period, usually three to five years. nurses who have left have been sued in some cases up to $100,000 by their employer before their contract has been expired without paying back these fees. this is part of the process of recruiting, trying to retain these nurses, that these nurses cost a lot of money to he recruit and relocate to the u.s. and they need to recoup their costs in some way if the nurses leave during a certain period of time. immigration, labor advocates, say this is essentially a form of modern day indentured servitude, he equating this to a form of human trafficking using
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financial penalties in a way to coerce people into working. >> folks can read more at nbcnews.com. great reporting. thank you so much for coming on the program. that's going to do it for us this hour. join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday 1 to 3:00 eastern on msnbc. former arkansas governor and republican presidential candidate asa hutchinson is about to join katy tur to discuss his presidential campaign, that's coming up on "katy tur reports" right now. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. it appears the special counsel could be nearing a charging decision in the investigation of classified documents found at mar-a-lago. nbc news reports after weeks of little action the d.c. grand jury is meeting this week. is it just to hear from new witness? if so, who? or is it to vote on whether to indict donald trump. we have chuck

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