irrigating power to, who are taking power from. plain as day. also this gaslighting effect. >> to me, the most important historical precedent for this, every american history is to understand, the reason the 14th amendment is the way it is, the reason the voting rights act is -- this was the way that jim crow happened. they said, we just want voters to be literate, so we're giving literacy tests. what are you talking about? obviously it's not about race. they say that because the 14th minute was in the constitution. pretextual legal-ism, used as a means of essentially just right democracy, is as old as the aftermath of the civil war. andrew morantz, who's piece in the new yorker is absolutely must read. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> that is all in on this wednesday night, alex wagner tonight starts right now, good of the country might be like you guys are really obsessed with this and fair. but it really feels bad out there today. >> and also gives context with what california and the north west have been living through.

but at least they have, like, i don't know it's nicer there generally. what a day. thank you, my friend. and thanks to you at home for joining us this evening. tonight we have new reporting which confirms something that up to this point we'd only suspected. former president donald trump is officially a target of the criminal investigation of alleged mishandling of documents at mar-a-lago. that news reported first today by the guardian. multiple outlets are now reporting federal prosecutors notified trump in a letter that he is the target. now, nbc news has not independently verified those reports, but donald trump is the person who allegedly took those classified documents from the white house and then refused to comply with the justice department's order to return them. so if anyone in this case is going to be targeted for potential criminal charges, it is probably donald trump. for his part trump today posted

a caps lock-heavy statement arguing being the target of an investigation isn't that big of a deal. quote, nobody has told me i'm being indicted and i shouldn't be because i've done nothing wrong, but i've assume under years i'm a target of the weaponized doj and fbi. as trump rants why he shouldn't be charged, we're learning more what if might look like if he is. "the washington post" was first to report today if trump is indeed criminally charged in the mar-a-lago investigation, the bulk of the indictment against him would be brought in south florida, according to people familiar with the matter. up until now special counsel jack smith has been running most of this investigation out of washington, d.c., but as the guardian reports prosecutors have conclude from the evidence he was still present when classified documents were moved to mar-a-lago, meaning trump's unlawful possession only started in florida.

similarly if prosecutors also revealed evidence he'd retained national security evidence after he left office at mar-a-lago for instance by waving them around or showing people, that can prevent hurdles to espionage charges. today we saw interesting developments out of that state, but first a little background. remember it was february of last year when we first learned the national archives had asked trump to return documents he'd taken with him after leaving the white house. in the days after that story broke trump released a statement only it was a sort of statement that appeared to have been kind of frankensteined together, some sentences written by trump's lawyers and some sentences clearly written by trump himself. at one point the statement switches from referring to trump in the third person to a defensive first person narrative.

here's the quote. following collaborative and respectful discussions, the national archives and records administration, nara, openly, and willingly arrange with president trump the transport of boxes that contained letters, newspapers, magazines, and various articles. the papers were given easily and without conflict and on a very friendly basis which is different from the accounts being drawn up by the fake news media. in fact it was drawn up as routine and no big deal. in actuality i was told i was under no obligation to give these -- which was a weird response even by trump standards. that mishmash now appears to have peaked the interest of special counsel jack smith. today that federal grand jury down in florida heard testimony from more witnesses in this case, and among the witnesses who appeared today was this guy, trump's form recall spokesman in charge of issuing statements

when this story first broke, and according to "the new york times" which sources two people briefed on the matter one matter prosecutors were interested in asking him about was the statement mr. trump had his aides draft shortly after news broke that the national archives had recovered 15 boxes of material from trump in january '22. he was mr. trump's spokesman at that time. the statement mr. trump initially wanted to send said trump had sent all the material he had, and a draft of that statement was put together. that statement was reportedly never sent. instead trump released that frankenstein third person, first person mishmash. but prosecutors have the draft statement, the one his lawyers reportedly did not want to send, the one asserting trump had returned everything, and now prosecutors are asking witnesses about that draft statement, which begs the question how many

people around donald trump knew that he was still holding onto classified documents and what exactly was in that draft statement that was never actually released. it seems jack smith knows the answer to those questions and now a grand jury responsible for bringing charges in this case, that grand jury does as well. all of that may soon be important as we await charging decisions in the criminal investigation that we can now confirm is targeting the former president. joining us now is a former federal prosecutor at the department of justice. also with us is msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin. thanks for being here tonight, ladies. in terms of trump being the target of investigation, he seems to want to wave this off as if it is not a big deal. what does it mean legally speaking that he's a target of this investigation? >> it means that the department of justice, alex, is going to

pursue an indictment against him unless his lawyers could convince them not to do that, which is obviously highly unlikely. and it is also possible that the grand jury won't vote to indict. but those are remote possibilities, so i think we really are that much closer to an indictment of the former president. and an interesting question today has been where might a charge or charges related to mar-a-lago come, and it seems like they might come in two districts in the federal system and not just in one, so we may have gone today, alex, from four likely indictments against the president in manhattan and georgia, a federal one for january 6th, and a federal one from mar-a-lago to five, two from mar-a-lago, one in florida, and one in washington, d.c. >> that's a lot of potential indictments. lisa, you're in florida.

can you complain for those of us who don't know what it practically means to shift the focus of this investigation from washington to florida? >> sure. alex, many people would say that shifting the locus from washington, d.c. to florida is not good and i'll explain way. for one this is trump country as opposed to the district of columbia where more than 90% of voters voted for joe biden for president. so there is some concern about shifting it here. the judges are also different. the compensation that the judges on the federal bench here is one that is more appointed by republican presidents, for example, than democratic presidents. however, what the department of justice really doesn't want is lose a motion to dismiss the indictment on the grounds the charges were brought in the

wrong place. and as tali can tell you department of justice interm guidelines say charges should be brought where the bulk of the conduct occurred. and here there are definitely some things within the department of justice's eyesight right now that seemed to have occurred solely within the state of florida. for example, we've talked about the movement of boxes between places in order to play a shell game with doj. that seem tuesday be the type of obstructive conduct that only occurred in florida. similarly, if donald trump took out certain documents in his office in mar-a-lago and showed them to aides or donors or even people just having brunch at the club in mar-a-lago, that's something that only occurred within florida, and what the department really wants to do is make any charges that it brings stick and not give trump an excuse to move to dismiss the indictment or to appeal because those charges were simply brought in the wrong place.

>> talia, how do you read the timing on the impanelling of this florida grand jury because so much of the testimony has been in washington, d.c. and now what seems like the end stages of the investigation, all of a sudden witnesses are going to testify at a separate different grand jury down in florida. does that signal to you a reluctant like late breaking decision on the part of the doj? or do you feel this is sort of a matter of course in terms of how these things play out at the end? >> well, it's not necessarily the kind of dramatic shift some have described it to be. here's the thing, alex. i think it's important to remember that it's one criminal system, the federal criminal system, one set of laws. the prosecutors working in front of one grand jury can appear in front of the other, and importantly witness testimony can be taken in one place and sent over, e-mail tuesday an agent in one district who can read them to another grand jury. so it's still possible that just for convenience they put some

witnesses into the grand jury in florida, they're going to send them over to d.c. and indict there. and as i said earlier and lisa ipt mated, it doesn't seem to be going that way. as we hone in on these charges, it does seem like the more conservative approach so as not to be vulnerable on a motion on venue is bring some mar-a-lago charges in florida and some in december, similar to how manafort, paul manafort was charged both in virginia and in d.c., and he made the decision to go in front of both those juries rather than waive venue and consolidate everything into one of those. it might be that the department decided it's better for at least to have two separate bites at the am, not worry about a venue motion and bring all the charges it had intended to bring from the start. >> tali, one more question to you. we know that the miami district

attorney's office down there has a robust security division. what kauts about the personnel that are down there working on this case, and also also if there is a jury brought after a criminal indictment, would that jury be selected from palm beach county, which is a part of the state joe biden won and would presumably have a less favorable pool in terms of donald trump? >> well, so in terms of the prosecutors, alex, it's the prosecutors from the special counsel's office i understand would be bringing the case in either place. again, it's a unified system, and so it doesn't mean they have to hand it over to prosecutors from the u.s. attorneys office in florida in order for the case to happen there. in terms of the division they bring it in, that does remain to be seen to me whether it'd be in miami or palm beach county. it's a unified grand jury, and so they could be taking

testimony anywhere that's within that district, one of the 93 districts in the country that covers all of southern florida. >> lisa, in terms of what is happening, you know, in -- in this florida grand jury and the witnesses that are being called, is your expectation that some of these witnesses could be in legal jeopardy themselves given the fact that, you know, as we put all the reporting together so many people appeared to have known that donald trump was not telling the truth when he said he'd returned everything to the federal government, all the documents to the federal government. >> yeah, and alex, to your point i was sort of scratching my head when we found out today's witness was taylor because he would seem to be one of those people that might have criminal exposure depending on what he knew and when. certainly the fact he consulted with trump advisers and attorneys who told him that the statement the former president initially wanted to make was not one that was advisable would

suggest that in fact he was told at some point in some way, hey, look, guy, he still has classified documents in his possession. and the fact that he then went out and made a number of statements to the press designed to mislead or obfuscate certainly would suggest he might have exposure of his own. obviously that remains to be seen, but i think some of the witnesses they might be looking to bring in could also like taylor budowich have criminal exposure. he too could be a witness here. he hasn't yet testified to the grand jury to the best of our understanding. >> all i know we're getting a ton of new reporting on this

case, which suggests maybe more people know what's going on, which suggests maybe it is indeed coming to a close, which means clear your calenders, everybody. thank you both for your time tonight. we have a lot to get to tonight including a big development in the other special counsel investigation into donald trump involving trump whisperer steve bannon. that is next. plus, the hazards of climate change were made not only visible but physically palpable for much of the united states today, and guess what republicans were doing? that's coming up. what republicans were doing that's coming up

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now, while news was breaking in the mar-a-lago investigation today we learned a significant development in the other case special counsel jack smith is working on. a d.c. grand jury has subpoenaed

former trump advisor steve bannon in the investigation into january 6th. nbc news reports the subpoena was sent out in may requesting documents and testimony from donald trump's former chief white house strategist and long time ally. given what we know about bannon's actions and his proximity to trump both before and after the 2020 election, the special counsel will likely have quite a few questions. here's steve bannon just a few days before voters went to the polls. >> what trump sfs going to do is declare victory. right, he's going to declare victory. >> the special counsel may also bring up a phone call mr. bannon made to president trump in late december, urging trump to take action on a certain upcoming calender date. quote, people are going to go what the "f" is going on here, we're going to bury biden on january sixth, effing bury him. the special council may want

details in what happened at the command center where bannon and trump loyalists strategized to overturn the results of the 2020 election. there might also be questions about this comment bannon made on his podcast the very day before the capitol attack. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. all converging and now we're on as they say the point of attack, right, the point of attack tomorrow. i'll tell you this, it's not going to happen like you think it's going to happen. okay, it's going to be quite extraordinarily different. and all i can say is strap in. >> joining me now is california congressman and member of the january 6th committee, adam schiff. congressman schiff, thank you for joining me on this big news night. i wonder how you see bannon's role and whether you see as it large as, say, mark milly, the chairman of the joint chiefs, who i believe told bob woodward and bob costa for their book "peril" he said it was a planned

revolution, steve bannon's vision coming to life. bring it all down, blow it up, burn it, and emerge with power. do you see bannon as the architect of the january 6th insurrection? >> i certainly see him as one of the leading voices and proponents of efforts to delegitimize the election, to stir up people on january 6th and potentially his role in inciting the violence of that day. there were few people closer to donald trump and now they had an on-again, off-again relationship, but it appears to have been very much on again in the weeks and months leading up to january 6th. so i think the special counsel is going to be very interested in the conversations he said with trump in why he was able to predict or appear to predict the violence that would take place on january 6th, what was going on at the willard hotel of roger stone and others at the inner

malicious circle gathered to strategies about overturning the election. i think he is a key witness, and fis is another indication a special counsel's investigation is likely nearing its end. >> when you talk about the war room, what questions do you have about what transpired at the willard hotel in the hours leading up to january 6th? well, i think of most importance is those that were plotting and planning on january 5th, what did they understand was going to take place the next day? what relationship did they have with these white nationalist groups, the three%ers, the oath keepers, et cetera. what did the president know, what was his involvement?

those are key questions. at the end of the day for the special counsel it all gets down to the president's knowledge and intent. there's certainly some powerful evidence such as when he's on the mall on january 6th and he's told people won't go through the metal detecters because they don't want their weapons taken away, and his response is, well, then take down the effing mags, they're not there to hurt him. how does he know they're not there to hurt him? what did he discuss with bannon? these are key questions the jury might want to know. >> you just offered a deep tease as they say in the industry that this might be wrapping up. the fact witnesses are still coming in has led some folks to say oh, it's going to be a while before there are charging decisions in the january 6th

investigation. you seem to think otherwise. why is that? >> well, because if you look that nature of the witnesses he's bringing in, people like the former president mike pence and now steve bannon wherebar these are people very close to the president. you don't brink them in until bis aically you've brought in everyone else, you've got all the documents you think you're going to get. you know you're only get one crack at these witnesses so you want to be as prepared as possible. you may not expect necessarily you're going to get testimony from all of them. bannon tried unsuccessfully to claim executive privilege. he's sentenced to four months for obstruction of congress, that is not going to be available to him in the grand jury, but he might end up pleading the fifth, so it won't necessarily mean that they're going to get all the goods in the testimony of these last witnesses, but i think it does mean that they've exhausted all the lower level witnesses. they're just at the very top now, and then they've got to make a decision do we indict or don't we. >> do you think the fact that we

have reporting that president trump is a target of the mar-a-lago probe that we have indications though not confirmation that probe may be wrapping up. do you think that affects in any way the way the special council is dealing with or thinking about a charging decision in the january 6th case which arguably is more momentous in the scale of criminality potentially than mar-a-lago? >> you know, i think it is more momentous. certainly that was the focus of our efforts on the january 6th committee. if the reporting is accurate and he's received a target letter on the mar-a-lago investigation, and i don't know if there's any reporting he's received the same kind of letter on january 6th. if he hasn't, that would indicate the mar-a-lago investigation may be more advanced than january 6th, closer to resolution.

but i think probably one of the things special counsel counsel is thinking right now the presidential campaign is getting further and further along. the department wants to act as far along as possible so as not to interfere in the election. i think he probably feels and should feel a sense of urgency. he seems to be moving with great speed. >> can i get your reaction to the fact that mark meadows -- we have reporting mark meadows has testified to a grand jury on both the mar-a-lago investigation and the january 6th probe. >> you know, he is one of those key witnesses that has relevant evidence i'm sure on both of those investigations. we in the january 6th committee had serious questions we never really got answered about classified documents that were brought to the white house that he was knowing of. we don't know exactly what happened to some of those documents, so he's a potential key witness in both

investigations. meadows has been all over the map at times willing to cooperate, at times trying to thwart cooperation. who knows sort of what his attitude was when he was brought before the grand jury, but -- but i would hope that special counsel given the more powerful tools they have to get answers, got answers from mark meadows. >> do you thinkhy might be a cooperating witness at this point given the fact he has been as you point out all over the map on this and largely quiet and not on trump's radar the last several weeks? >> it's certainly possible. you know, like so many of these people, they don't have any core convictions. there's no ethical compass. there's no fixed ideology. they don't really stand for anything, and so this is why trump has found it so difficult to get loyalty from these people. first of all, trump shows no loyalty to the people who serve him. he chews them up and spits them out. but people like meadows, you

know, they go where the wind blows, and so it's more than possible he's cooperating or cooperating in part. i would imagine given our experience with meadows whatever he's doing is self-serving. that seems to be the only constant. >> yeah, and if the wind is blowing towards a jail cell, you can be sure he'll probably want to avoid that. congressman adam schiff, it is always great to speak with you. thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you. still to come this evening, when climate change hits home, turn on your gas stove? we will discuss what house republicans were doing during this week of apocalyptic air. plus when the politics of the 2024 presidential race get weird who you going to call? how about the guys from pod save america. stick around for that. e guys fre america. stick around for that. for up to 44 minutes more restful sleep per night. save $1,500 on the sleep number climate360 smart bed. shop now only at sleep number.

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what i'm about to show you is not mars. this is the new york city skyline at around 2:00 this afternoon. for context on the left side is what the skyline typically looks like when the air is not an unearthy shade of orange. the national weather service also posted this time lapse, which you can see here. it shows just how quickly things turned fairly apocalyptic in only three hours. this view of the george washington bridge which connects new york city to new jersey, you

can barely even see new jersey. the hazardous air quality in new york was the worst in the world today. according to the united states air quality index anything over the number 300 is considered hazardous. by 4:00 p.m. today the air quality index in new york city had hit a record breaking 413, which is so bad governor kathy hochul announced new york is distributing 1 million n-95 masks across the state tomorrow. now, if you stepped outside today and wondered where did all this smoke come from, why did it feel so hard to breathe and to think and to see? the cause comes from up north, from canada. over 400 fires are currently burning in quebec and an ontario which is a result of man made climate change, which is exacerbating the hot and wild conditions which allows wildfires to grow. while the existence of climate change should no longer be up for debate, being able to

actually see the haze in the air is weirdly helpful because it makes climate change visible and it makes it immediate. and it is now affecting cities, and it is causing air quality hazards from detroit to boston and from upstate new york all the way down to north carolina including washington, d.c. there is a sort of tragic irony that this week as this hazardous air made its way towards the capitol, house republicans had an agenda item on the topic of air quality that had nothing to do with combating climate change. they were taking a vote on protecting gas stoves. now, republicans have been up in arms now saying the biden administration wants to cancel america's favorite plants after scientists highlighted a link. scientists at stanford recently tested a new york city apartment with a gas stove and they found alarming concentrations of nitrogen dioxide with a gas that

causes asthma and other respiratory illnesses as well as benzene which is found in cigarette smoke and car engines. even though they're proposing stricter regulations on gas stoves and some are banning them outright because benzene and nitrodioxide does not seem like the best sides to go with everyone's scrambled eggs, despite that the white house said president biden opposes any ban on gas stoves, but republicans stoked fear president biden is going to cancel your kitchen. >> since day one they've been waging war on american energy. now they're targeting gas stoves, the preferred cook top appliance for tens of millions of americans. >> so house republicans teed up a bill yesterday that would ban the biden administration from banning gas stoves and the bill weirdly and unexpectedly fell victim to republican in-fighting as 11 members of the far right

house freedom caucus decided to sink it as well as three other bills to punish speaker mccarthy for negotiating over the debt ceiling, which was pretty embarrassing for speaker mccarthy. still, once republicans patch things up there's little doubt that this bill to protect gas stoves will come back even as the realities of climate change become harder and harder to ignore and the air gets harder and harder to breathe. up next, the hosts of "pod save america" weigh in on what exactly is the point of mike pence's candidacy in 2024. that is next. pence's candidacy in 2024. that is next

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on that day president trump also demanded that i choose between him and the constitution. now voters will be faced with the same choice. i believe that anyone who puts themselves over the constitution should never be president of the united states. and anyone who asks someone else to put them over the constitution should never be president of the united states again. >> that was former vice president mike pence in iowa earlier today formally announcing his campaign for president by talking about what he did at the capitol on january 6th and making the case against donald trump. mr. pence is now part of a ballooning list of republican candidates, but it is not quite clear which republican voters

mr. pence is courting. he's currently polling in the single digits below 4 points on average, which is far, far behind donald trump and governor ron desantis. so pence is now the first president to run a challenge to -- to challenge the president who first took him to the white house, but it is unclear what exactly that gets him in 2024. earlier today i spoke with the hosts of the great "pod save america" about this very unusual republican primary race, and here is some of our conversation. guys, thank you for doing this. thank you for your time. in advance, there are really no three better people to talk to what is happening in american politics right now. i know you well. actually there probably are. >> we said yes. we're some of the best people that said yes. >> i am eager for your thoughts, how about that? >> great. >> and specifically i mean we --

it's announcement week as it concerns the republican party and its nominees in 2024, and mike pence just a few hours ago threw his hat officially in the ring with his announcement speech. and in it as we played at the top of this show, he's invoking the events of january -- he's recalling the events of january 6th, which is sort of the case for pence's candidacy, right, but also perhaps ironically his kryptonite as it concerns republican voters. what do you think of pence's invocation of the riot at the capitol? he's the only republican candidate to do that so far in the field. >> yeah, i was pleasantly surprised he did that his announcement and planned today do that. i do not think mike pence has much of a constituency in the republican party since there's some segment of the republican party that did want to hang him on january 6th.

so that said i think the fact he went up there and was so pointed and sharp about donald trump's role in january 6th certainly highlights how all the other republican candidates with the exception of chris christie have been shying way from any kind of criticism of donald trump. so good for him. i don't know it'll help him in the primary because if you're a voter who liked donald trump and liked mike pence as vice president but then you saw mike pence, you know, supposedly betray donald trump, like, i just don't know where the ven diagram is, how much overlap there is of people who don't like what donald trump did on january 6th what do likesert of the rest of the trump administration. >> donald trump, he had one bad day. he had one bad day. also his kryptonite is not kryptonite. his kryptonite is a group of

trying to kill him at the capitol. >> what surprises me about pence and to some degree christie, but really pence is his complete underestimation of the party that he had a role in creating. right, like he was literally there in the white house when donald trump was president, and he saw how trump changed that party into a group of people that thirsts for confrontation, that make grievance the sort of animating movement of their lives. he was there when he became -- when the white house and the republican party became a hotbed of, you know, nativism and isolationism. the hawkish neon con of yore, that's not the party mike pence was serving and he's forgetting about what happened in the four

years when he was vice president. i have a hard time understanding how a man cannot know what he did for such a long period of time. do you? >> no, especially because the other thing chris christie is mike pence have in common is that the two people donald trump tried to kill, the -- chris christie, you know, he has great sound bites now and pretty funny. he acts like someone who stopped supporting trump in 2017 when he's actually somebody that was with trump every step of the way which trump was being exactly the same person as he was on january 6th and january 4th and every day before that. the reason chris christie was almost killed by donald trump is that he was in debate prep with him for 2020. so it's like -- it just doesn't make sense, right? they all are trying to pretend they wurnlt onboard every step of the way until they discovered there was a niche for them to become anti-trump in one way or another. >> and pence might fashion

himself as an impersonator these days but he was on right-wing radio. i believe he famously wrote an op-ed where he attacked "mulan." everyone knows "mulan" is a great threat to our country, so he's been part of these culture wars long before. >> i think that is a reminder pence is an o.g. culture warrior but perhaps doesn't have the personality republican voters demand of their culture warriors. we have new reporting in "the washington post" about what kind of candidate culture warrior ron desantis is and wants to be, and i've got to quote jeff roe is the top advisor to never back down, which is the super-pack supporting ron desantis and he said to axios, the fight for the soul of this party isn't about tax cuts or trade deals. it is a cultural combat we have a country. these people know that ron desantis is a cultural warrior

for this time. these voters are more angry than they were in 2016. first of all, do you think that's true? do you think republican voters were more angry than they were in 2016? >> are they angrier now? there's certainly a subset of them who think the election was stolen because they were brainwashed. i don't know. i think what jeff rowe said there about the party being primarily angry and about culture fights i think is true. and you can see this has become desantis' sort of sole tactic on the stump. he's attacking woke. even his wife was wearing a leather jacket that said, florida, where woke goes to die outdoors at an event on an 80 degree day. >> pride is a little bit about

leather. >> some has been made about desantis' lack of retail politics, the lack of his skills on retail politics and there's new reporting in "the washington post," i'll read you a quick excerpt, about how he's exactly not mr. personality on the trail. desantis wasn't one for extended conversations often replying quickly and moving on. yep, he said when young man thanked him for a signature, got it as the next photo snapped, all right. the governor had deeper exchanges on his trip but he often met information from voters with a couple of words, oh, nice, oh, cool, oh, great. on the one hand if you run for president you probably need to be good on the grip and the grin. right, you've got to be good at talking to voters, right? or is desantis' candidacy staked out in this specific territory of i'm a culture warrior and i'm

not donald trump and nothing else matters? >> look, i don't know. i don't know what will be enough to make people think ron desantis should be president. i have trouble understanding how a person could think that, but, man, he's such an odd guy. he comes across so weird on the stump, and you can already see donald trump starting to circle, wanting to call this guy weird. he's just an odd guy. and, you know, he does this strange -- >> he's not circling around much. >> but he does this weird twitter space with elon. he goes on and on about these esoteric topics people don't really know about. he goes onto topics important to the tiniest fringe. forget like the typical person, even like the typical republican isn't as keyed in to some of these like culture fights ron desantis is so focused on.

so the combination of having absolutely no charisma, none whatsoever, plus this sort of like walter peck from ghost busters i'm going to take on the [ bleep ] -- can you bleep that? what are we allowed to say? i'm going onto take on disney and go where woke goes to die, it's so unappealing on a fundamental level and ept people don't want to like this person at the end of the day. >> he speaks internet. like the crt to the dei. >> we're going to stop the fed from releasing digital currency, and it's like what are you talking about. >> the president you're inviting a person into your home for four years and watch him on tv all-time, and you want to be able to hang with that person or at least not hate them. >> for trump he was someone entertaining to them. >> i think my favorite part of that "the washington post" story you're mentioning is there was a world war ii veteran at desantis' event, and someone

inintroduced desantis to this veteran and someone came up to him later and said, yeah, sir, there's a world war ii veteran and he's like, yeah, i know. i already met the guy. and. >> there was this run up to him announcing like, oh, no, is he more electable than donald trump, and he's going to beat the democrats and then he signs a six-week abortion ban which as unpopular a thing a person can do and starts talking to regular people. there's a great video where someone says, hi, i'm rick. and he's like, okay. just completely devoid of personality. i love it. >> if you liked that, i'll be joining them this coming monday for a live taping of "pod save america" at the tribeca film festival here in new york. we'll be joined by new york attorney general letitia james, a person named hillary clinton,

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the newest member of the supreme court justice ketanji brown jackson reported today she received a $1,200 congratulatory floral arrangement from oprah winfrey. thanks, oprah. and justice elena kagen listed earnings from renting a parking

space she owns in washington, d.c. all these details and more were included in the justice's 2022 financial disclosures after the supreme court adopted new ethics ruled this year requiring justices to provide a fuller accounting of their finances and received gifts. that includes gifts that constitute personal hospitality, a category that's come under intense scrutiny because of explosive reporting from propublica about the many luxurious gifts justice clarence thomas had been receive from texas billionaire and republican mega-donor harlan crow all in the name of personal hospitality. so what did justice thomas and his 2022 financial disclosure contain? we're going to have to wait a little longer to find out because justice thomas has requested a 90-day extension. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next. prosecutors with the department of