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donald trump hates the campaign trail just days before his historic arraignment on federal charges. and vows that he will keep running even if he is convicted. we are breaking down everything we need to know before tuesday's unprecedented hearing at federal court right here in miami, florida. standing by their, man some of trump's 2024 challengers are coming to his defense, but for how long? rick wilson, of the lincoln project, joins me live to talk about the pressure on trump to stay on top. and, later a sop in the face. not 11 families fuming after the pga strikes a deal with a saudi-backed liv golf. a woman who lost her husband on the tragic day joins us to talk about this there are new partnership which could also end up benefiting donald trump. all of that and more is coming up. and the good sunday morning to

you, i'm katie phang. we begin today's show with a look ahead to the historic arraignment. it just today, former president donald trump is expected to surrender to miami authorities. it will be his second arraignment after federal charges were filed over his mishandling of classified documents. on friday, the department of justice on the seal to the 49-page indictment revealing that trump is facing 31 felony counts of willful retention of national defense information, under the espionage app act. charges include making false, statements a conspiracy to obstruct justice, and withholding in concealing records. ahead of tuesday's arraignment, trump made his first public response to the indictment while on the campaign trail in north carolina. and in georgia. >> the ridiculous and baseless indictments of me by the biden administration's weaponized departments of injustice will go down as among the most horrific abuses of power in the history of our country.

>> nbc's garrett hague is here in miami and actually joins me now. gary, good morning, it is good to see you. you are on that campaign trail with donald trump yesterday and had the chance to speak to former president trump. what was his message to you and his messaging to voters? >> well, katie, it is pretty clear it is going to be almost impossible to separate mr. trump's legal defense from his efforts to go on offense politically. he has made this idea of what the weaponization of the federal governments an internal part of his campaign. and it is what is left of his legal team and part of their strategy. going into this arraignment and going into this case. to argue that all this is political. they've heard some of what he told, basically a crowd of activists on the road in georgia, about this case. and the first time yesterday afternoon. but i had the chance to throw in a question yesterday. i tried to pin him down on this idea of voting, one thing that was not answered in the indictment itself. why do they want to keep these documents and why keep them so

long? here's what he told me. >> how did you keep those documents? >> we did nothing wrong. nothing wrong whatsoever. we did absolutely nothing wrong, take a look at the presidential records act. we dates by the book perfectly. we have thugs in creeps running this country and it is a real problem for our country. we are gonna win the election big and we are gonna clean up the mess and we are gonna clean up the cancer. that's what we have. >> so, katie, here are the more personalized attacks against prosecutors. that's nothing new for mr. trump we saw with robert mueller and jim comey. that goes back years. his answer on the presidential records act does deserve its fact-check. the national archives has a great one hours online. which people can go reference for themselves. it is very much clear that mr. trump did not do things by the book when leaving the white house for the first things the presidential records act says is that you have got to separate your papers from a personal and presidential.

before you leave the white house. there is no provision in the air to take things home. and do your homework later, so to speak. i think you heard one thing there for mr. trump that i know you're gonna touch along with some of these other candidates. if he wins, he wants to clean at the justice department talk to law them. that has become an applause line, not just for him but for other republican candidates. who have so far embraced to the front runner rather than trying to use this moment to create space for him within the republican primary. katie. >>, yeah. garrett may be the need to do a factor that goes along with these campaign trails. garrett, hey thank you for getting the show started this morning. i appreciate you. >> and joining me now on to face lowman, for the southern district of florida, it is a new partner or stubhub sir insulin, jeff and so get to. so you are the u.s. attorney for the southern district of florida. for a while. and i want to get to the nuts and bolts of tuesday. there are a lot of misconceptions out there and i

want to put them to rest. so tuesday is an arraignment for donald trump and number one people want to know, is there going to be a mugshot, yes or no? >> yes. >> will the mugshot be publicly available? >> i don't think so. >> will donald trump be handcuffed? i'll give you a spot, here he still has his united states service detail. >> i don't know the answer to that question but i know that for regular people, when you voluntarily surrender, be it about eight or nine in the morning, an agent who is in charge of the case takes the defendant into costa early pretrial services department does a full and complete history of the defendants. or the three pm arraignment and initial appearance. and during that, period the defendant sits in a jail cell for the four or five hours, awaiting the appearance. i don't know whether the same is going to be true for mr., trump but for regular people that is the way it works.

>> and yet nobody is above the law. and should be treated the same. and you, endo they're not gonna put a secret service detail into a jail cell with donald. trump as he is waiting those hours for the, arraignments will he be -- my understanding for speaking off the record with d.h.a., joins there's not gonna be anyone else in this courthouse for obvious conservative reasons. he's the president of the united states. he will show up in front of this judge. and during this arrangement, the charges will not be or the lads of him. >> if he proceeds through an arraignment, because this is an initial appearance, he can either postpone the arraignment or have the arraignment writes that in there. he can wave the reading of the indictment. i anticipate that's what will happen. and then the body will be settled. i'm sure there is a prearranged bond. , usually for most, people there are restrictions. i don't know whether or not those restrictions will apply to mr. trump. >> stop for a second. pray arrangements could be made. could we reasonably anticipate that the federal government has made arrangements with council for donald trump? in terms of surrendering a

passport, whether another chance to be some type of monetary bond post by mr. trump? things like that? >> yeah. i doubt the would be a monetary bond, but he would have to post. a pure there's a personal assured you bond. and, i don't know whether they will have waved the regular restrictions to travel within the southern district of florida. i doubt they're gonna restrict his travel to the southern district of florida. so i'm sure that's all going to be prearranged with council. >> okay. the judges presiding over the arraignment is really only a ministerial function, right? it's own leaders could say i'm rejecting this arrangement that you've made with doj, donald trump, when i'm actually going to make you post a monetary bond. that's not gonna happen on tuesday. >> that will not happen. >> my colleague just heard at the beginning, he had a really good point. he asked donald trump for. motive why did he keep these documents? and this indictment has 31

coats of willful retention of india. national defense information. how often do you see these types of cases prosecuted? even in your tenure at the u.s. attorney's office? >> the southern district of florida, i don't think we had very many with a couple of material support cases over the years. but usually that was done out of d.c.. but this in the southern district of florida is used to high terrorism and it's security cases. so, whether we're doing goopy with local prosecutors or the national security sector i say this as -- it was passed for this case. this will all be done through the u.s. attorney's office in the southern district of florida, primarily responsibilities national security center. >> i get a little bit ahead of myself because one of the questions we are trying to get an answer to him that i am also theorizing is going to be sooner than other people are expecting is a trial date. will a trial date be set at the

arraignment on tuesday? do you think it's going to be a possibility? >> i. don't i think the trial judge if it is judge cannon will come and be on tuesday, if he perceives through an arraignment there will be a discovery order entered. and that will for donald trump's lawyers to file motions and receive discovery within a prescribed period of time. then, it's some period of maybe a month or so, a trial judge will say the trial data will probably be an artificial trial dates. at least the first time. up then the second trial date will probably be the trial data that is going to be imposed. >> even if it is artificial, should we anticipate seeing this case of trial in 2023? or in 2024? >> good question. i don't know whether or not the discovery of the case is going to require donald trump's lawyers to undergo security clearances. because there is top secret information.

there is classified information, protection act requirements that have statutes in place. that allowed donald trump's lawyers to be able to see national security, or theoretically we exposed to not security information. there is ways to get around that so that it is not disseminated to council on the case. >> i unfortunately amount of time. but i do want you to come back very soon because i do want to get into the substance of this indictments and post the arraignment on tuesday which i'm really grateful draft that you came today. there are a lot of pundits out there including me who talk about these cases but don't actually talk about the nitty-gritty nuts and bolts. i think it is important for the viewers in the public to understand initial expectation so i appreciate just lowman, former u.s. attorney of the senators are to for a florida. thanks for being here. coming up, -- monika mattis will take a

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your president we will in the years of politicization at the department of justice. >> is there a different standard for a democrat secretary of state for some former public and presidents? i think there needs to be one standard of justice in this country. >> even though they trail behind him in virtually every republican, poll mike pence and

ron desantis still cannot bring themselves to criticize the twice impeached now twice indicted former president. meanwhile, the emperor with no clothes was in georgia yesterday where fulton county district attorney fani willis continues to pursue the far ranging investigation into whether donald trump committed election interference in his attempts to overturn the 2020 election results. trump appearing yesterday for the georgia republican convention and his base showed up in support. this was also the first time we got to hear from trump since the indictment was unsealed. and he said pretty much what you would expect. >> they come to, me how do you stand this? i usually look at them in, say the say in a sick way, i sort of enjoy it. because it exposes them, it exposes them for what they are. and it has also lifted the poll numbers to even higher ranks. >> joining me now for more on, this rick wilson, cofounder of the lincoln project and the offer of running against the

devil, a plot to save america from trump. and democrats from themselves. rick, good morning. according to politico, trump announcing that he will keep running even if he is convicted. i have this image of him in handcuffs and the ball and chain running down the street. let's start with the big question. how delusional is donald trump to think that he could literally run for the oval office as a convicted felon? >> he could. there is nothing in the constitution that says he can't iran. maybe the 14th amendment said that. but this is a guy who has a group of people in the republican party, you see it from every other candidates running in the primary. you see it from the media apparatus. they have convinced themselves that these serious dangerous and real consequential charges from trump's terrible behavior of exposing national security secrets in clear violation of the law will convince themselves does not trump but a conspiracy against him and so

he could run, i think, even as a convicted felon. i don't know how quickly this will go to trial, i don't know that to doj will have the stones to stay in this fight, as the election gets closer, but you have got a guy who has got a powerful delusional shield around him. that is spread not only by trump himself but by the republican base in republican media apparatus in of course even the other republican candidates who claim they want to replace him. >> so, where. nick let's talk about how sycophants can actually become violence. the new york times has an article with the headline, quote, trump supporters violent rhetoric in the defense disturbs experts. the piece goes on to, say experts on political violence warned the tax against people or an institution when elected officials are prominent media figures are able to offer violence with impunity. how realistic are concerns that trump and his followers could incite more violence as his indictments continue to rise in

number and his prison exposure grows? >>, katy it is enormously significance. look, we ended up in january six of 2021 with a mob destroying the capitol. trying to kill people. we ended up with a mob at donald trump's direct order. trying to overthrow an election. you have got play higgins, you've got kari lake. you've got all these other folks who are now saying the quiet part out loud. but if you try to hold trump to stand of accountability and justice we will kill you. that's what they are saying. we should take it seriously. the department doses should take it seriously. law enforcement should take it seriously. these are people who are not doing it rhetorically, they're not doing it with a -- there are no saying things, like we are gonna storm the battlements and you will rational trump. are you conduct on, the trump there will be violence. take the promise. seriously we are in the late stage american democracy right now. and there is an authoritarian movement and understands the

force of action through -- willing to, use and they believe it is politically consequential for them. and that there will not be repercussions in the political space. >> but, rick let's talk about the realities and the deterrent effect of people like the oath keepers and the proud boys, doing a time in serious prison time for their involvement on january 6th. you don't think that sends a clear message to those that want to follow the call for violence that comes from people like donald trump? that there is some very real jail consequences when they take up arms? >> what the folks like lauren boebert and kari lake and clay higgins and the rest have not seen yet of the january six convictions, is any one of the ringleaders status. maybe stewart's friends in that category. they have not seen footsoldiers going to jail. they're more than willing to have lower tier people engage

in stochastic violence against the country, to protect donald trump. any number of foot under the wheels in order to achieve their political -- because people like josh hawley, again, clay higgins, hansen and nudging and nodding in winking a violent action to protect donald trump. and they know so, far roger stone is in jail. steve bannon is in jail. alex jones is not in jail. they wesley will that are where in the war room they are not in jail. so, those people at the top feel like they are protected and immune. they are also gambling. i think it is not the worst gamble in the world. but if they get donald trump elected again, all will be forgiven and everyone will be pardoned and everyone will go on their merry way. if donald trump is elected again, every january six person, i promise, you will be out of jail in. it will free them all. >>, right lick, the lincoln project has a new adult. let's take a quick listen. >> what will trump get?

the man a woman running against him for president will defend him, make excuses, they will lie about the prosecution and make up stories about the deep state. >> so, obviously, where, that's just a portion of that adonijah people to go and watch that. tell us more about what we did not see from that ad. >> the front of that at basically, says people who are convicted under the espionage, people who get didn't the espionage up, it's not the worst. it's people like robert hansen who will betrayed this country. john walker who betrayed this country. people who all were spies and people who engaged in the worst kind of betrayal of trust, in american law. where you gave secrets to the enemy and you exposed the most sensitive national defense secrets to the enemy. including nuclear secrets. including battle plans which could cost the lives of american troops in the field. this is a kind of consequential thing where it is good to

remind people that this is not some triviality the trump has been indicted on. this is not some minor -- this is not a traffic ticket. this is betraying america. at a level that is absolutely aggressive more than any time in our history for an american president. >> work as, always you bring the. truth thanks for joining us today. >> thanks, katie. >> coming up, next a surprise ruling by the united states supreme court voting rights and will get into that after the break. and later, republican revenge as the gop is speaking out against donald trump's federal indictment and how democrats are planning to fight back. we'll discuss with a fiery fresh congresswoman. keep right it right, here you are watching the katie phang show at msnbc. show at msnbc.

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back in the supreme court has been a stripping away foundation of american rights without remorse. this big described this week

when the court was found in favor of black americans. in a five for, ruling the justices rejected a republican -led efforts to weaken a landmark voting rights law. alabama had been try to implement congressional apps, it's such a way that could've taken representation away from that americans. not only was the ruling itself a shock, but the three liberals in the bench were joined by not only to chief justice correspondent, who can sometimes book his conservative, colleagues but i don't if you're sitting down, here justice brett kavanaugh, he usually is far more loyal the to hard-line conservatism. joining me now for, more is -- dolly correspond with his light and the author of lady justice, woman is a lot in the battle to save america. dahlia, my friend, so good to have you back on the show. please explain to our viewers why this ruling is so surprising. >> i think it is surprising, katie, because last term we got

used to the feeling of, you lose and then you wake up in the new. lose then you lose again. and the next, day you. lose this term has kind of been like that so far. it will probably be like that, going through the next two weeks. this was a win and i think maybe were surprised because it seemed as though the court has become so partisan with the supermajority. and unwilling to try to mitigate the appearance of being partisan. that you get an opinion that is legitimately a win, it is a win for section two of the voting rights act, it is a win for voters around the country, it's just feels like oh they stop hitting me in the math for minutes. so i think that in some sense, this reminds us of what the court when john roberts was really in charge, looked like. which was a much more moderates and careful set of decisions, even if it was fundamentally very conservative. as opposed to the kind of

shopping spree that we saw last time. >> dahlia, are there gonna be national effects to this decision? louisiana, for example. it has a similar proposed congressional map that way to dilute black voting rights in the eight states. but considering this recent ruling from, scotus do you think exactly gonna give pause to some of the republican efforts in red states to attack voting rights? >> i think so. i think to take john roberts very seriously in the majority this opinion when they say that actually section two of the voting rights act means what you thought it manson what we thought it meant. and that sort of the alabama effort to say, why don't you take this moment to re-write it so that is functionally unusable, the court rebuffed that and said any other state that's thought they were going to get to the courts to rewrite the law, i think is probably discouraged today. a, moreover i think this is going to have a profound effect

not just on the state level but at the county level of the school board and local levels, and i think that voting rights activists really believed going into this case, that they were going to be left with a toolkit that was like a toothbrush and a hairspray. in order to get through the voting rights. but that's just not true anymore. so i think that over emboldened red states are kind of going to get spoofed out of those a little and i think that voting rights activists have meaningful tools now that they can use. >> one of the dissent snow shocker in allen versus militias from clarence thomas. about to make sure heard some other news this week. he and justice alito asking for a delay in their financial disclosure forms. they were given that delay. and by the, way let's be. clear sense pro forma's who give this additional time. but you know dahlia, given the controversy that justice thomas has already faced, and accepting gifts and other benefits from a conservative

billionaire, were you surprised by the fact that he asked for more time versus just, saying you know, i take it. take it as it is, you can't do anything to me anyway. >> in some, sends katie, i'm not surprised at all. i think that this is a through line to what you were just talking about, with rick wilson i think that part of the problem with the imperial court is the same problem we have with the imperial presidency with folks who think that law is for the little guys. and i think that even in spite of the revelation after revelation after revelation about not just harlan crow but leonard leo and all the dark money slashing around in all the gifts and gifting that has been going on, the idea that the justices two of the justices are just like, should we do our disclosures or should we go for brunch? let's go for brunch. i think that is just still the vibe among some of the justices and the contrast between we have the congee brand jackson disclosing flowers that she got

from oprah winfrey, we have elena katie disclosing a parking space. and the other hand we've just got this sort of sense of, i know i told you i was going to avail my filings but he little time. it just gives this sense that this is an afterthought and not top of mind. and i think it just goes to this fundamental sense that some of the justices have that this is not a serious consequential environments. where you disclose your gifts and discuss your travel and disclose your income. for some of. them and by the way the chief justice was very clear about his wife's status and some of them take it very seriously but i think the sense that we are unrepentant in our feeling that this is just kind of small ball and not really something we should be frost about, it is such a continuation of this sort of monarch view of the justices, that some of them continue i think to perform in public. >> well i guess that dahlia i

should be concerned now that we're not gonna send your private jet to pick me up to go to your super yacht. so maybe i'm gonna keep calling crow a call. dolly thank you as always for joining us. i was appreciative being here. >> it always always a treat thank you katie. >> and >> ahead, some house republicans vowing to retaliation after trump's indictment setting the stage for a showdown with the justice department. i'll speak with texas democratic congresswoman jasmine crockett to get her take on the other side of this break. break.

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trump claims that federal indictment is a -- useful in that blank, a witch hunt by the justice department. on capitol hill, his maga supporters are jumping on that bandwagon. after the indictment, representative jim jordan, share of the house judiciary commission, doubled down in his letter to attorney general merrick garland. demanding documents about the fbi's search of mar-a-lago. and yesterday, house speaker kevin mccarthy condemned the doj's decision to indict trump in a video that he posted on twitter. >> this judgment is wrong, that they treated president trump differently than they treat others. it didn't have to be this way. this is how i want to disrupt this nation because it goes to the core of equal justice for

all which is not being seen today. >> joining me, now congresswoman jasmine crockett of texas. she is also a civil rights attorney and a member of the house oversight committee. congresswoman, kevin mccarthy, paper tiger in my opinion. one of many paper tigers in washington, d.c. right now. before we get to that i want to get your thoughts first on this federal indictments of former president donald trump. >> it is amazing that for a decade, black people, brown people, have complained about a criminal justice system and now all of a sudden there is a problem and now that trump is involved in its i want to be clear, for anyone that cares to know the truth, this is literally about someone who is criminal. right? and used to be a saying that we used to have, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a doctrine is probably. dak will here's the deal, donald trump has had almost

everyone who is hosting him, be arrested and convicted. i don't know how many times i've seen his former attorney on msnbc, this weekend, who is convicted. he's had so many people around. have we used to talk about the, pay attention to it is the iraq. with because the company that you keep could potentially cause you some problems. and honestly i think at the center of this it has always been a trump, trump is a criminal and i know your presumed innocent until proven guilty. in this country, allegedly, but let's be real, we all know that trump is guilty and trump walk himself into. this >> let's talk about trump allies running interference in your back yard, in d.c.. to try to de-rail a prosecution or a continuing investigation that's going on. you serve on house oversight. with jim jordan. jim jordan loves to send those fast and furious letters demanding a whole bunch of

stuff that never quite gets what he wants. are you concerned at all that he and his other republican colleagues will abuse oversights for the purpose of interfering in trump's prosecution? >> there has been nothing but abuse on oversight to be clear. but the american people should know by now that the house oversight democrats are some of the strongest advocates you can have, and allow the hearings that they really thought they were going to go in and really gets something damning, they turned up nothing. in fact, they usually look like idiots. by the time we are done with them so they can try if they want to, but let me tell, you the house oversight dams will be bringing that smoke. so, i say bring it on. if this is what you want today. but it, is it is unfortunate that our tech giants are being wasted in this way. essentially we have got house republicans who have decided that they want to be exhilarated fence counsel for

trump. and it is exactly what we see it is an abuse of power. when you talk about the weaponization of the government, it is the weaponization of the house republicans. they are the ones that are using their power and are using their seats, simply for personal gain. and i say personal because so many of them want to make sure that they stay within the good graces of trump, so that they can win their elections. >> i'm gonna play a little bit of sound for you right now. from republican south carolina represented our nancy mace, who some, people, congresswoman says it's kind of moderates. i think a lot of people say that you super far right but she serves on oversight with you. take a quick listen to ashley responded to trump's federal indictment on cnn on thursday. >> this is the executive branch tonight. trying to take out their number one opponent for the presidency of the united states. in 2024. and they have one standard for donald trump. and another standard for everybody else.

everyone is held to a different standard by donald trump and that is wrong. i do believe tonight that joe biden just secured donald trump's nomination, for republicans in 2024. >> congresswoman, we know that donald trump's base just does not get it and i don't know if it's just willful blindness or ignorance but there are not different applications of the law. you earnest running i am an attorney and they're not different standards. there was a grand jury that returns this indictments, made up of american citizens that believe that's a probable cause existed, that he violated at a minimum of 37 felonies in the federal system. but is there any fear on the democrat side that this indictment could actually work? in trump's favor >> honestly here is the deal. we know that president biden can be trump. so i mean, i don't see it happening that way. what i do see is problematic is what you started with. this idea that it was the

presidents that didn't. i think this is where we start to get some violent activities. we have seen just recently the young man who is actually from my home state of missouri who decided that he wanted to drive this u-haul into, i know the child is going to do. but we know that the insights of violence when they promote this propaganda and this ignorance. you and i both know as you already stated, not only was that u.s. it is in, what we are talking about floridians. we are talking about his neighbors and his actual peers. and you know you guys opposed to the number of times. we know that florida has not necessarily been joe biden country. i mean, if this is really a joe biden thing i'm sure he would've chosen a different venue. other than florida. but i applaud jack smith because he has decided to take every precaution that he could to make sure that this does not look politicized. and it does look like it is a bare prostitution. and honestly, i do think that

trump is -- an honestly i've had plenty of clients that have been under federal indictment as well as state indictments and this is kind of been a slow road. we know that trump overall has committed crimes since before he got to office, drawing office. and now after he has been in office. and to be clear to anyone that does not understand, if trump would have listened to just one of his lawyers, because he said -- there is this beautiful right to remain silent. if he just shot his mouth, and even now he continues to talk, and i promise you that the office, jack smith's entire team, they are paying attention. they are taking notes. they are getting their recordings. and ultimately, it is going to be trump that convicts trump. i have told my clients 1 million times. it was your own words that got you here. trump listen to me when i say

it is your own worries the got you here. ultimately if you're sitting in a jail, cell it will be because he refused to shut your mouth. >> you know what special counsel jack smith does not even need to take notes, because they have got evan corcoran's nose. congresswoman, jasmine crockett from the great state of texas, i as always thank you for joining us. thanks for being here. >> good to see you. >> coming up next, profits over people? a prominent september 11th memorial organization is condemning the pga tour's deal with the saudi-backed golf group. i'll speak with the chair of 9/11 families united, terry strada, who lost her husband on that day. you are watching the katie phang show. phang show there are places you'd like to be. like here. and here. not so much here. if you have chronic kidney disease, farxiga can help you keep living life.

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earlier this week a deal was nasty combined the pga tour and saudi-backed liv golf. donald trump is among those who praised the controversial alliance. not only does she have a long-standing relationship with saudi arabia, the okey dokey benefit financially by bringing major tournaments to trump and golf courses. this alliance has been condemns especially 9/11 families who are shocked by the announcement. my next guest who lost her husband on 9/11 and the 9/11 families united organizations released a statement, saying pga commissioner jay monahan appears to have become just more paid saudi chills. taking billions of dollars to cleanse the saudi reputation, set americans in the world will forget how the keynote suspect they're billions of dollars before 9/11, to find terrorism and spill their hatred of american finance al-qaeda and into the murder of a loved. once they can, wednesday we will never forget. joining me now is terry strada, national chair of 9/11 families

united. terry, thank you so much for taking the time to join us today. how offensive's announcement of the deal between the pga and liv golf, do you and other members of the 9/11 families united organization? >> it was extremely offensive, back when live made their announcement, the pga t was in alignment with. us they understand that this is nothing more than a sports washing entity. now they've given it a larger platform, and we're very concerned about with all of this means. >> let's be, clear terror, it's not just you in your position on. this jay monahan, he actually warned pga players last year about joining liv golf. especially with saudi arabia's history of human rights and he is a complete one. a day take a quick listen to the evolution of that position. >> i would ask any a player that has left, or any player that would consider leaving, have you ever had to apologize for being a member of the pga

tour? we are announcing to the world on behalf of this game, we are coming together. it is less about how people respond today and more about it we will respond in ten years. >> terry, he is gone on record say if they spend $50 million in litigations, with attractive litigation ahead, and it really just send a message that is profits over people. it is this idea that your husband and the tweets of 9/11 do not care when the dollar spences bridge for the acc gather. >> the biggest bully in the room has the most, money incentives they win, and that's what's happening to you right now. with this proposed merger. and the kingdom thinks of. one we don't want anything, yet they cannot take a victory lap for something which is not even been approved by their board. and if you believe congress is going to go very close look at what this means. nobleman awfully.

think about every boy, girl i want to play on the pga. he now has to work for the kingdom of saudi arabia if they want to play professional golf. there is a lot wrong with that picture. jay monahan became very, afraid not just when he was, spending but what was going to come out a discovery. you get their emails in your financial statements and you get everything. and i think he was running very scared. and you'll see through the community under the bass, but he also is now given us our platform which can get louder and stronger as well. and we will continue this fight against the kingdom in the courts. we have a lawsuit against the kingdom and that's what everybody kind of targets. we know just out here saying that what they're doing is wrong, sports washing is wrong, yes it is because they're trying to change the image in the fact they were the one spending billions of dollars on their writing terrorism all those years, leading up to 9/11 i don't feel that we are safe. so i was thinking that we're still out there funding terrorism. >> terry, strada thank you so

much for being here today and especially for grounding us. i think a lot of, times we get lost in the headlines. it would get lost in the emotion of those headlines. and we forget that we need to honor the memory of your husband in those from 9/11. and that there is a bigger fight that needs to be had. so terry strada again thank you so much for joining us this morning. i really appreciate you. >> thank you so much. i appreciate that. >> and i want to thank the rest of you for joining me this. morning i'll be back here next saturday and sunday at 8 am eastern but remember that you can keep up with us during the week by following at katie phang show on twitter and instagram and tiktok. stay tuned for the sunday show with my friend jonathan capehart. you might miss him yesterday but he is back for you today. coming up next. p next who knew the subway series could get even better? me, i knew. maybe you should host a commercial then. sure, okay. subway series just keeps getting better. my husband and i have never been more active. subway series shingles doesn't care.

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