>> good morning, it's sunday june 11th, i'm ali velshi, he's been called teflon don, because he's been able to avoid seriously corresponds ability for decades. but just two days from now, for the second time in two months the twice impeached former president, donald trump is going to see the inside of a courtroom to face criminal charges. on tuesday afternoon, trump is expected to surrender himself to authorities, at a miami courthouse where he will be arraigned on his 37 count indictment for mishandling of government records, and obstruction of justice. trump has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing in this matter, he's got to plead not guilty. but the indictment which was unsealed by authorities on friday, provides a detailed account of trump's months-long effort to obstruct justice and hold on to scores of boxes containing classified documents, and other records, that properly belong to the federal government. this might just be the beginning of trump's legal

troubles, as you know, he's already been indicted by the manhattan district attorney alvin bragg in the hush money case, and there are still pending investigations in georgia, and in washington d.c., related to his effort to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential elections. so it's possible that trump could be the defendant in multiple criminal trials, as republicans head to the polls to vote in the primaries. and in a new interview with political yesterday, trump vowed to stay in the race even if he's convicted of a crime, telling the reporter, quote, i will never leave. now, that's not at all surprising, he's previously vowed to continue campaigning for the republican nomination if he were indicted, a threshold that we've already crossed twice now. and although few republicans have come out to denounce him and call former trump out of the race, the maturity of the party has come to his defense and criticize the justice system instead. yesterday, just two days after he was informed of his second indictment, trump was back on

the campaign trail and up on the stage at republican conventions in georgia and in north carolina. joining him on the road throughout the day was this man on the bottom left, walt nada, his personal valet, and now he's codefendant in the special counsel's documents case. walt nauta himself is facing six charges for helping to obstruct justice and conceal documents. now, during his speech in georgia yesterday, trump continued to deny the results of the 2020 election, and aired his favorite grievances. >> now the marxist left this once again using the same corrupt doj and the same corrupt fbi and the attorney general and the local district attorneys to interfere in our elections at a level that our country, and few countries, have ever seen before. they are crooked, they are corrupt, these criminals cannot

be rewarded. they must be defeated. you have to defeat them. have to defeat them [applause] because in the end, they aren't coming after me, they are coming after you. i'm just standing in their way, here i am. i'm standing in their way, and i always will be. [applause] >> there is a lot going on there, before we unpack the disinformation and the propaganda that was contained in, not just his speech, just in that one part of his speech. i want to underscore how important it is to know what is in this indictment. yesterday, on the show, the legal scholar larry tribe said all americans should read it, because if you do, you will understand that this is not about the weaponization of the federal government against donald trump. it is a well crafted narrative of alleged criminal behavior. it is 44 pages have actual text. it's pretty good read. but here's the good news. i've done the reading for you. i read the entire thing, and it is now available as an episode of the msnbc prosecuting donald trump podcast, which you can

get wherever you get your podcasts. joining me now is nbc's garrett hank, he's outside the federal courthouse in miami florida where donald trump will be arraigned on tuesday. garrett, let's talk about this. i don't want to talk about tuesday yet, because we will have a lot of time on tuesday. i want to talk about yesterday, trump went out in georgia, and north carolina, and it was a best of donald trump. he took all the grievances, and all the things that he says, and put them together. >> yeah, that's right. we always get the preview from truth social with the former president's thinking, and then these pictures on the campaign trail become a version of that stream of consciousness but with scaffolding of policy around it. that's exactly what we saw in these two speeches at two different state parties in georgia and north carolina yesterday. the former president has really integrated into the indictment, as you pointed out, in the segment, he's made a part of

his campaign, supporting the legal defense from the political implications. it's basically impossible. he has brought the rest of the public party along with him. this goes back to 2015, 2016, the idea that he was always under investigation, there was always somebody in the deep state, as he puts, it out to get him. james comey, robert mueller, special counsel jack smith who, he described his, deranged and a maniac. you see the rest of the republican candidates not echoing those personal attacks, per se, but echoing the idea that this is somehow a justice department scheme to go after political rival of the current president. i had an opportunity to try to ask trump a couple of questions as he were to the room at a waffle after this speech in georgia, and i tried to focus on one question that wasn't answered in that 49-page indictment, exactly why did he work so hard, try so hard, to keep these documents he knew he should not have in his personal possession? here's how he responded to that

question. >> the documents, the whole thing, is a witch hunt, it's a disgrace, it should never happen, it's hurting our country. we did absolutely nothing wrong. take a look at the presidential records act. we did it perfect by the book. we have bugs and creeps running this country, and it's a real problem. we are going to straighten it away, we are going to win the election bag, and clean up the mess, and clean up the cancer. that's what we have. >> obviously nothing responsive to the motive question there, and legal experts including on this network have suggested it's less important to prosecutors and it's the kind of thing they can deal with later, and a quick fact check, i did, in fact, check the presidential records act, and the national archives makes it pretty clear that in the relevant sections, presidents

have to separate out their personal records from the presidential records, before they leave the white house. there is nothing in there about taking the stuff back home with you to do it later. so that is the way that the former president is looking at this issue, politically. how he's looking at it legally. we will be a whole other question, when he was up here tuesday, ali, he's going to have say significantly revamped legal team, about which we know literally nothing at this hour, just two days ahead of that arraignment. >> i'm glad you brought that up about the presidential records act, because it's floating around the conservative internet that the president is allowed to do what he is alleged to have done in these 45 pages. that is simply not true. garrett, thank you very much, good to see you. all right, joining us now is the democratic congresswoman jamie raskin of maryland, he is the ranking member of the house -- committee, priebus is a recent lead house manager of the second impeachment trial of donald trump. congressman raskin, good to see you again, thank you for being

with us again this morning. you and i were on yesterday evening together. the speech that donald trump gave last night, we don't usually invest a lot of weight on those, but he's called people corrupt, mark says, accuse them of interference in elections, call people who don't like him or are prosecuting him, crooked, corrupt, criminal. referred to them as a cancer. and thugs. he has moved fully into the category of what autocratic leaders have done in the past. there is no discussion, there was no valid discussion about this 44-page indictment. there is no valid defense offered. it was just that everybody is a thug and a criminal and corrupt, and against him. >> it's an excellent authoritarian tactic. to divert and displace attention from what is actually contained in the indictment which seems like an overwhelmingly powerful case

that he violated the espionage act, and engage in obstruction of justice. so he turns, instead, two ad hominem attacks on the prosecutors. denounced the whole justice system. he's clearly willing to do very serious damage not just to the national security service, but to our democracy but underlying peoples faith in the rule of law and the justice system. basically, his position which is now endorsed by the gop's trump can never be guilty of anything. he really is beyond the law. >> some people say no one is above the law, his point is, i'm not even going to bother. and i'm sure his lawyers will have to bother with the defense. but he's not even much bother. there's some interesting things in this indictment, one of which is him having a conversation with others about how he is got documents here, they are secret, don't come too close to them. i could have declassified them

when i was president, but it's too late. it's abundantly clear from this indictment, should be proved to be true, that he knew what was wrong, he knew what was right and wrong. he knows what he's allowed to do and not do. and in moving around the documents and plucking things out of boxes, there is a consciousness as lawyers say of guilt. >> that's a mirror of what happened on january 6th. when he's in reality mode, he saying, i can't believe i lost to this guy. he's making plans for leaving the white house, and he's demonstrating sufficient hold on reality, that he knows exactly what he's doing. but then when he's in front of the crowds and the mob, he flips over. he says, this is the half biggest heist in history, the biggest scam. the whole thing is really not a

test about who donald trump is, we know exactly who he is. it's a test of who we are and what kind of -- fidelity we have to the rule of law in the justice system, and do we have the democratic patience to see this through, and to maintain perspective what was happening. he is clearly going to try to activate his most extreme followers to engagence and dangerous actions, the kind we saw on january 6th. so people need to be prepared for that. but at the same time, we have to have this long term view that american democracy is resilient, and we are going to be able to survive donald trump. >> one of the things they tried very hard in impeachment of donald trump was to get people to understand. what happened. it's not that it was highly complicated, but being able to see things, and use video, and imagery, was helpful. it would help here, right? large -- >> everybody should read this.

i want to read a paragraph here for you, paragraph anti, forwards talking about attorney number one, trump attorney number one, is telling him he asked to meet certain obligations, because there is a subpoena. and he makes the following statement. a, i don't want anyone looking, i don't anyone looking through my boxes, i don't want. the, what if we just don't respond at all? or don't play ball with them? see, when maybe better if we just told them we don't have anything here? and d, well look, isn't it better if there are no documents? and this is attorney never, one who has provided this testimony. there is a real sense here, i think, of americans reading this document maybe being less hoodwinked by donald trump. >> that's right, reality is the ultimate antidote to this polemical and ideological attack on our rule of law.

when you read through, it you discover something remarkable. even when he committed the crime of taking hundreds of these documents, they are not driving him for the way he returned to the documents. it's only when he kept not returning them, he kept hiding them and moving them around, that they said, this is perfect demonstration of his intent to deceive the government and to unlawfully possess these documents. but he's getting away with dozens and dozens of criminal offensives because they said if he returns at the beginning, we won't charge him for that. it's only after these repeated efforts that they are bringing criminal counts. >> congressman, stick around for me to, i want to take a quick break and continue this conversation after. congressman jamie raskin, and the rest of the january six committee set the ball pretty high last summer for excellence storytelling during the hearings on the insurrection. it was a narrative, it was accessible to the average american, this 44-page

indictment of donald trump does the same thing, it's a well crafted narrative of the alleged criminal behavior of the foreign president, should be required reading literally for all americans. but if you don't have the time to sit and read 44 pages, i have done it for you. you can now put your phone up to that if you want to scan the qr code and get it. you can listen to the indictment, word for word, right by me, scan the qr could on your screen right now or msnbc's prosecuting donald trump podcast, find it wherever you they are broadcast. it's a bill now. we'll be right back. ht back. hen we metamorphosize into our new evolved form, we carry that spirit with us. because you can take alfa romeo out of italy. but you best believe, you can't take the italy out of an alfa romeo.

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raskin as the ranking member on the house oversight committee is back with me. congressman, i often talk to you by virtue of your role as a member of congress, but today i want to talk to you as a lawyer. i've got certain questions, they appear in paragraph 22 of the indictment. in which there are five items

that the prosecutors are referring to in which donald trump, prior to, and while he was president, referred to the handling of classified information. i will read them to you. a, on august 18 2016, trump stated, in my administration, i'm going to enforce all laws concerning the production of classified info, no one will be above the law. the, under six, 2016, trump stated, we also need to fight this battle by collecting intelligence, and protecting our classified secrets. we can have someone in the oval office who doesn't understand the meaning of the word confidential or classified. see, on september 17th, 2016, trump stated, one of the first things we must do is enforce all classification rules and to enforce all laws to -- the, on the cover night, 2016, trump stated, we also need the best protection of classified information. and on november 3rd, 2013 -- trump stated, service members here in north carolina have risked their lives to acquire

classified intelligence to protect our country. trump, before he was the president, seemed to have a fairly keen understanding of classified information and how to handle it. and in fact, he is charged with 31 counts under the espionage act. the stuff that actually endangers american lives. those people he was talking to in north carolina, on november 3rd, 2016. >> that's right. that was included in the indictment, not just to expose donald trump's hypocrisy it, may have had nothing to do with it. it was to demonstrate his perfect understanding about the law requires. and it's fundamental importance. there is no argument available to him that he didn't understand the law, of course that's irrelevant, because ignorance of the law is no excuse, if you think it's lawful to rob a bank, if you really need the money badly, that doesn't excuse your robbing the bank. but in any event, he understood perfectly what the law

required. there is not going to be any successful effort to circumvent the law here by asserting that it was mere negligence, or near carelessness. he understood exactly what he was doing, and that is further demonstrated by his actions when he got his co defendant and associate to be moving the boxes around like this is some kind of variation of the game of clue, where you move things from the ballroom to the bedroom, to the bathroom. and it's a challenge to the government to go ahead and find its own documents. because remember, all of these documents belonged to the american people. and they go right to the heart of american national security. >> it's interesting, we talk about moving documents around, this is why there is value and within indictment. it was moving around for the sake of moving it around,

things removed from nonresidential areas at mar-a-lago to the residential area. ostensibly so that donald trump could pick through them. because he didn't want anybody else picking through them. he didn't want anybody else seeing them. so what they eventually returned to the national archives and the fbi was incomplete. they testified, they certified, it was complete, it wasn't. then there was an fbi search of the place where they found more stuff, and we aren't even sure they have all the stuff yet! >> i think the whole question of motive is certainly interesting from a psychological perspective. from a legal perspective, it doesn't make any difference whether he wanted those files in order to show them off, if he was emotionally committed to them as perhaps it was with the kim john and love letters, as trump described them. or he wanted to sell them, or use them in his interactions with foreign leaders. it doesn't make any difference what his motive was, he had the

intent to keep them on a lawfully. and from a legal standpoint, that's what matters. he understood that he did not have lawful possession of, them they had not been declassified. and he was violating the law. and that is all that matters. he may have had different evasions respect to different documents, but he demonstrated these intense not only to take them, but to keep them. and to shield them from further government investigation. >> congressman, good to see you as always, thank you for joining us. the democratic representative jamie raskin of maryland, the top democrat on the house oversight committee. coming up, here's a claim that was made by a candidate for president in 2016, quote, i'm going to enforce all the laws concerning the protection of classified information. no one will be above the law. and quote. that, according to none other than donald trump. he knew the danger, and it is the documents anyway. documents anyway rsv could cut it short. ♪

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indictment of donald trump unsealed on friday, russell was in disturbing detail the alleged actions of former president who absconded with an entire collection of sensitive material when he left the white house in 2021. among the charges, he is facing 31 counts of willful retention of national defense information. photos attached to the 44-page indictment show boxes upon boxes of classified materials, stacked next to a shower, but leaving some space for the toilet, among other unusual places that trump's florida residents. hundreds of documents marked either top secret, secret, or confidential, posing a grave risk to this country's national security. some of the recovered documents includes highly sensitive intelligence regarding iran and china that, if expose, could give away america's intelligence gathering methods. experts warn that unauthorized disclosures could also lead america's adversaries to italian against the u.s. for

its clandestine actions. trump, for his part, has denied all wrongdoing. but one thing we do know, for certain, is just how sensitive some of the recovery material is. and trump knew, apparently, the four he even took office. so listen to his public statement was in 2016, when he was a candidate. >> in my administration, i'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. [applause] no one will be above the law. we also need to fight this battle by collecting and intelligence and then protecting our classified secrets. we can't have someone in the oval office who doesn't understand the meaning of the word confidential or classified. one of the first things we must do is to enforce all classification rules. and to enforce all laws

relating to the handling of classified information. >> we also need the best protection of classified information. [applause] service members here in north carolina have risked their lives to acquire classified intelligence to protect their country. but this is the same person >> this is the same person who on more than one occasion allegedly showed classified information to not authorized people. >> joining me now, bradley moss, he is a national security lawyer, of the james madison project. bradley thank you for being with us, thank you so much for your coverage of the last couple days. former attorney general, bill barr, once a real fan of donald trump, just on fox moments ago and he has said this. i was shocked by the degree of sensitivity of these documents,

and how many there were, frankly. i think the counts under the espionage act or solid counts. if even half of it is true, he is toast. and so very detailed indictment, and it's very very damning. i think you know this to be true, with your take on the fact that even bill barr, very few would call -- well, barr the attorney general of this country calling donald trump toast with this indictment. >> yeah, even fog bill barr says you are in trouble here, this is the guy you covered up donald trump conspiring to commit support part perjury -- when bill barr says you are in real trouble here, i think you are in real trouble. and let's be clear as to what this indictment will ultimately lay out. it will lay out how trump knew what the rules were, he understood what the classification process and declassification process was, he understood what he had in

his possession at mar-a-lago, he understood that the documents related to national defense information we're still classified. and he knew he had them when subpoenas started showing up. and when the feds started asking for them back then, according to the indictment, he conspired with his -- walt nauta to obstruct the efforts to recover them. that is as clean and concise and simple of and i-10 as you can have here in an espionage act case. if this gets to trial, it is a lot of obstacles to go through before that, but if this gets to trial, he doesn't have that much of a substantive defense beyond hoping for a hung jury. >> actually, you and your partner, mark, you know a lot about these things. that we rely on you. but when you read this indictment, it is actually pretty simple. and it lays out those parts, which we just played at the top of the segment, in which donald trump had said in speeches, that he completely knows. he wouldn't force these things as president. he was mostly talking about hillary clinton at the time.

but the point is, he has said many times over he has emphasized the importance of the preservation of classified documents. so, it's not that the ignorance of the law would have been a defense anyway. but why put this in the indictment. what is the point in saying trump knew exactly what he was doing by keeping these documents, by manipulating them, by showing them to people, and by moving them around? >> the reason to do so is because part of what they anticipate is that they will be defense from the trump team that they threw the mistakes, that the did not really understand it details. he's a big picture guy he does understand the minute granular retails. what they are going to outline is he understood the importance of it before he was elected when he was elected they will have those witnesses come out of how he was informed of what these procedures were, how he understood how these procedures were put into place, and implemented them himself. and then once he left, they are going to have this testimony,

this audio recording, showing how even though he was aware of this information still being in this position, still classified, he was showing it off anyways. it will go toward painting a picture of a very damning narrative of his awareness of the problem his awareness of how these things are supposed to be handled and the fact that he disregarded all of it. >> bradley, we have a couple of issues here. we've got the legal issue, lawyers are fairly confident how that will unfold, some people will be frustrated by the time it will likely take, it may not get resolved before the next election. another thing, kari lake who falls into the category of people who are election deniers, said on friday -- >> i have a message tonight for merrick garland, joe biden jack smith and the guys back there in the fake news media. you should listen up as well, this one is for you. if you want to get to trump, you will have to go through me and threw 75 million americans just like me, and i want to tell you, most of us are card-carrying members of the

nra. ms. lake added, that's not a threat, that's a public service announcement. >> yeah, we are adding a bit of an inflection point here when it comes to political tribalism and how we discussed these issues in our country. kari lake is a bomb thrower, she is just like donald trump, they like to boast and bluff and bragg and use this hyperbole a lot. but there's a real legitimate concern about how their acolytes will take this forward. we saw what happened on january 6th, when these people got brainwashed into believing this stuff. we saw the seditious conspiracy trials go down, and people get convicted and go to prison for ten, 15, 20 years. there is a non trivial threat that there will be violence because of this -- trump is threatening the wife of the prosecutor who as far as i know, has nothing to do with any of this other than she happens to be married to jack smith. there is a real concern here that law enforcement has to have about whether or not there

are going to be legitimate threats against federal law enforcement authorities investigated president, whether not that will be political violence. and if this continues forward, we could see a replay of january 6th in some fashion on another day in one or multiple different venues, and it's something that republicans are going to have to address one way or another, before this gets too far. >> bradley, good to see my friend, thank you. bradley moss, the national security attorney, partner at -- and deputy executive director at the james madison project. all right, just two days away from former president donald trump's appearance before a judge in a miami federal court, the judge is aileen cannon. it is very important to know who judge cannon is in the context of this case. but first, a little palette cleanser. this is live, right now, images coming out of hawaii where the kilauea volcano is currently erupting in the hawaii volcanoes national park. officials have issued precautions, warning onlookers

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document paints a damning picture of a former president with a reckless disregard for the nation's most closely held secrets. it is actually a pretty easy read, it tells a narrative story. i will do one better. you can now listen to the entire indictment like an audio book, narrated by me. i read, word for word, the transcript of the conversation that trump allegedly had about sensitive military documents, text between his employees about the boxes of documents, and the descriptions of the documents that he allegedly hit in a shower, his bathroom, at a mar-a-lago ballroom. scan the qr code on the screen for the msnbc prosecuting donald trump podcast, or you can find it wherever you get your podcasts. it is available now. first, there appears to be a disturbing correlation when it comes to the former president, as his legal troubles continue to climb. so to his poll numbers. now that he has been formerly accused, is any back wing to make a difference?

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he has faced so far. it's tempting to wonder if this may finally be too much for trump's loyal maga base. if he may finally begin to lose support. they didn't flinch when he called mexican immigrants rapists or said there were good people among white supremacist, and were unbothered when he was charged with illegally paying off a adult film star, and found liable for sexual battery and defamation in the e. jean carroll case. it's tempting to wonder if this case, these allegations, that he wouldn't deliberately be reckless with america's most closely guarded secrets, could this case be different? that's a question that david graham asks in a new piece for the atlantic, he writes quote, trump is certain to make is strongest and most impassioned -- in the court of public opinion, where he will present himself as the victim of a politicized witch hunt. that's a familiar refrain, and one that is never borne much weight, but it's also found his strongest supporters more closely to him, in fact, as his legal troubles have escalated, so has his polling in the

republican primary. joining me now is the aforementioned david graham, he's a staff writer at the atlantic, and tears that my or senior adviser at the lincoln project, former gop communications director, and the host of al ptc's the breakdown. good morning to both of you, thank you for being with us. david, the stuff you wrote about, has completely come to be true. trump gave two speeches yesterday in which he said the stuff he always says, but more. it was more concentrated. if the message was the only thing standing between them and you, his audience, is me. i will stay here. i will always be here. this is dictatorial, authoritarian top. >> yeah, i think he has been making this kind of case on a lot of things. but when he's talking about things that are clearly personal piccolos, what that's paying off an adult film actress or other, i think you can make the case better.

when and if people look at the cakes with the facts, the documents that were taken, the effort you want to hide it. i think it will be a lot harder for him to make that with a straight face. and there are a lot of trump supporters who don't care. they will be listening, they aren't interested in the truth. but i also think the allegations here are damning enough, and the facts are damning enough, that it is going to hurt him on the margins, and that's enough to really damage him, because his support is already so thin. >> tara, you live in this world. not that specific world, but amongst, and talk to, republicans. who in across the republican structure i'm does this affect? because people are still showing up for donald trump rallies, and they are buying into this nonsense. does it affect anyone on the margins? and as it relates to winning the primary, in which you don't need the vast majority of the party, just in your loyalist, does it change anything? >> well, it's two separate questions, right? for the primary, we are already seeing this. it's helping him. and we've seen republican

elected officials make mainstream -- say, this has been handled to donald trump. he's been victimized, the weaponization of the department justice, this is how republicans feel. they have been feigned outrage very passionate about how victimized donald trump is and how this will rally his base. we've seen that so far in the polling, nothing has moved those people. if we talk about the general election, that's a different story. at the lincoln project we focus mostly on a group of the bannon line voters, dibenedetto people said if you get between four and 7% of republicans away from donald trump, he will lose. well, we believe that that number has expanded because of dobbs and other things, these indictments, then arise expanded to seven to 11% at this point, and those are the people who can make or break this election in swing states. will it have an impact on the general election? absolutely. and i hope it does. as an american, we should be looking at this as american

voters, and saying someone like this should be nowhere near the white house he needs to be near a prison. >> david, moments ago on abc news, senator lindsey graham of south carolina was on and he said this, quote, i think trump is stronger today politically than he was before. i think the espionage charges are ridiculous. i think what happened to hillary clinton where she got away with, it is very similar to what happened to president trump, and we will have an election, and a trial, but i promise you this, most americans believe, most republicans believe, that the law is used as a weapon against donald trump. weapon and weaponization, he did a word cloud of the last 36 hours of republicans. those are the biggest words in the cloud. >> that's right. i think tara is right, it makes him stronger politically, really depending on where you look. it's astonishing to me to watch the comments from his primary competitors in the days and hours since his indictment. i've never seen by politicians so eager to not win an

election. [laughter] to pass up the opportunity to an attack an opponent, who is accused of some pretty serious things. they don't seem to want to win. i expect that a little bit from lindsey graham, it's very surprising people who are essentially running against him. >> both of you stay there for a second, i need to pay the bills on a break, we will come back and continue this conversation. tara, i want to ask you about the whole idea of republicans who in secret want this to end and go away, but no they can't come out against donald trump? hold your thought, more velshi ter the break. r the break. (tap, tap) listen, your deodorant just has to work.

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for the advent stick and -- >> this is an interesting thing, joe what was on with me yesterday, and he said there are a whole lot of republicans who secretly would really like donald trump to go away and they are hoping he other goes to jail, or something happens to him. because this can't possibly be a winning strategy other than one for donald trump to win the primary. at this point i still think he's got a lot on the primary but this, as he just alluded to, is not a winning strategy for republicans in an election. >> right, we've seen this demonstrated already, trump has been a certified loser since 2016 for the republican party. in every metric possible.

so the leaders of the republican party who know better, who i call, vichy republicans, because they are enablers, they know better, and yet they still continue to support him, and they are going to suffer the consequences as a result, they continued to portray the country by turning themselves into political pretzels. political gymnastics to defend donald trump, when they know what he's doing represent a clear and present danger to the united states. trump is a clear and present danger to the national security of this country, and the republican leaders know this. and yet they continue to bow down to him and continue to placate him and make excuses for him and embarrass themselves on national television day after day, because they are afraid of losing more elections. it's very convoluted. i often say that cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug. that applies in politics to. you look at these republican primary candidates, some of them have said they are going to pardon trump for goodness

sakes. if he's convicted. what are we doing here? donald trump is a disgrace. and the republican party it's continuing to enable, and make excuses for someone who is against our democracy, against everything we republicans claim to despise, he represents. and yet, here we are. so it's astounding to me, and not only are they continuing to do that, which is costing them elections, which will cost of the general election. but they are also making excuses for someone who engages in stochastic terrorism, making threats against the prosecutor, threats against our institutions of justice. and all of a sudden that's not a problem for them? what are we doing here? this is a very dangerous time, and reminding our institutions, the rank hypocrisy out of the republican party's unfathomable and content about this point, because now all of a sudden, it's oh no, justice isn't being fairly applied, you don't hear them say that when it comes to the other side, or in other cases. it's really astonishing to watch. but it also means they need to

pay a price for this, the american people must not stand for this level of right caucus, the anti threat to our democracy and institutions. >> you tweeted something where there was a new york times headline saying for gop rivals for the primary, and unhappy task, defend the man dominate them in the polls. you tweeted, okay, but here me out, what they just didn't. what if they just didn't? the fact is, you've got donald trump running rough numbers but about 50%. you've got desantis running about half of that. and you've got everybody else running at 1%. 2%, 3%. if all of the rest of them got together and decided they were up against donald trump, it would amount to a hill of beans. so what are you supposed to do if you are actually a republican, because there are some, who don't think trump is the right direction the party should go in, within the party has got a way from -- they would like to be in a remarkably engaged debate about to the direction of the company -- formerly can they do? >> i think if you are a rival

to trump for the presidency, you are probably in bad shape in terms of winning, but one thing you can do is stop standing up for him in the circumstance, and start talking about those issues. you look at someone like asa hutchison who is not pulling anywhere near where he would need to be to be a serious contender, but he's out there saying trump should step out of the race, it's acceptable to have a candidate in this situation. and he's talking about his conservative platform. i don't think it's a winning platform, but that is the sort of thing you want to see from a political leader. and we've seen republicans for too long doing this to step, where they try to cozy up to trump supporters without attacking trump directly, and it hasn't worked. that's got the republican party to where it is now. i also think it's telling that we see people talking about weaponization and talking about justice system, you don't see a lot of republicans willing to defend trump on the substance. they aren't talking about what's in the indictment. and that's because they know every time they do that, they end up getting stepped on, and he makes them look bad. >> and if any of you, or anyone you know, wants to fall for the

whole weaponization thing, just read it. it's 45 pages. not that complicated. >> it's espionage, right? the espionage act. it's very serious. all right eaves, hansen, snowden, right? these are the same type of people -- >> you don't have to listen to -- >> that's right. >> this is one of those things, you can actually do it for yourself. it was a well written indictment,and i ran for everyone, so you want to download it you can do it that way. thanks to both of you. amazing having about here. dave graham, thanks for your great writing this week. staff writer at the atlantic. tara setmayer, senior adviser for the lincoln project. all right, some breaking news just outside of philadelphia, a truck fire under the i-95 on ramp. look at this. it's caused part of the roadway above it to collapse. officials have told nbc news they are still on the scene investigating, not been able to get under the thousands of pounds of steel and debris yet to search for the driver. aside from derive the truck, officials do not believe anyone else is trapped, no injuries have been reported. that is the northbound