force the question. >> the desantis campaign has whispered to allies and reporters alike saying we think the indictments, the investigation could help to take donald trump down, but they have not moved on it yet. two indictments already, and there could be more. we will have to see if they change tactics. brandon buck, thank you for joining us. thank you for all of you for getting up way too early on this monday morning. big week ahead. morning joe starts now. >> he is not a victim here. he was totally wrong he had the right to have the documents. they are among the most sensitive secrets the country had. he had no right to maintain them, and he kept them in a way at mar-a-lago that anyone who cares about national security, their stomach would churn at it. >> former attorney general

talking about the case over the weekend. it comes as trump's rivals for the 2024 nomination rally to his defense. >> some of them do. >> we will have the comments. >> some of them do. some don't. >> some do and don't. >> mixed bag. you know? >> what is the strategy there? >> sad thick. the latest from ukraine with the counteroffensive claiming small victories over the russian forces. also ahead, an update on the i- 95 collapse. a disaster that has shut down the section of one of the busiest highways in america. good lord. good morning, and welcome to morning joe. if is monday, june 12th. with us we have the host of way

too early, eddie claude jr., and richard hoss joining us. >> richard, jonathan, so much news. we cannot talk about sports. >> is there a minute? >> not even a minute to talk about what happened at yankee stadium or the stadium as they call it. >> the red sox taking 2 of 3. we don't have time to talk about it? >> we don't have time to talk about it. the little league team beating the salary of man city. >> no talking about the late innings yesterday? >> i would love to, but i find it hard to get past all of the excuses people are making about the former president stealing nuclear secrets. no time. >> no time to talk about the red sox win and the series win. i understand. >> you're getting ahead of yourselves. just one win? >> two. >> we are going to get to the news in a second.

i just want to say, about all of this stuff you're talking about, that we have been talking about all weekend, a couple of things. >> okay. >> first of all, it appears, it appears by his own words, his own deeds, his own actions, he stole nuclear secrets. let's break it down. there's people talking. >> what about hillary? >> what about biden? what about this? he stole nuclear secrets, allegedly, in his own words, and he knew what he was doing. he's on tape. >> and they got him. he lied to the fbi, and everybody is going, oh my god, the republicans, i'm not looking at the republicans, i mean, do they really -- if they want to harbor a fugitive politically, who stole nuclear secrets, good luck. you're going to lose even more in 2024. lose even more in 2024, and these people say we are going

to commit acts of violence. >> guess what? >> guess what. >> that's been tried before. going to jail. if you think you're intimidating anybody, like the fbi is just going to say okay, okay, they said that. how many more? do we have enough jail cells? yeah, we have enough jail cells. go ahead. we have seen it all before, jonathan, and it went very badly on january 6th. if they hate america so much that they want to overthrow the government, it doesn't work. you end up in jail, and the people who tried with the conspiracy, jail for 20 years. and republicans want to go down the path even more? harboring the guy politically who stole nuclear secrets? figured out what documents to steal that showed america's

greatest weaknesses. why did he do that, do you think? talking about that like, we don't know why, but it doesn't matter. he stole the worst stuff. they can do this, listen, listen, listen. you break my heart, and you break my heart official newspaper of morning joe. you break my heart. you don't have to play to the dumbest readers you have. you really don't. we will see a lot of the noise, but as one admiral said to me, you have the ground noise and the signal. ignore the ground noise, joe, and focus on the signal. the signal, a guy as president committing the worst crimes in the white house and outside of the white house of any chief executive in the history of the republic, and my feeling, if the republicans want to defend him, if they want to completely destroy their party, have at

it. we have seen this before as far as what happens when they defend him. this the worst yet, and a lot of them are still too stupid to realize that they are giving up 2024 by doing it. >> federal authorities are showing concern over the noise, trump's calls. >> will they fight the rhetoric? >> they may have to arrest another 2,000 people and throw them in jail for the next 20 years. >> they are hardening the courthouse around miami today in advance of tomorrow. that's one concern. setting that aside for the moment. you're right, the material is about as serious as it gets. it's secrets about our own capabilities, allies, and intelligence, and information collected from other nations' spies. he's caught on tape talking about it.

>> the documents are stored in boxes at the mar-a-lago ballroom and bathroom. >> was he going to flush them down the toilet? i don't know. >> and yet over the last few days, most republicans, they are rallying around him. not all, but most including those who want to beat him for the nomination. >> this is their chance. this is their chance to finally get away from this unbelievably undemocratic person. >> after january the 6th, he literally inspired a riot, and they didn't move away from him. i saw the cbs poll yesterday with people freaking out. what do you expect? this is what they did after january 6th . one poll, alex, i hope you have it. one poll showed the core of the republican party, going to vote in the primaries, how many people think that stealing nuclear secrets is bad, among the core, only 36%? >> yeah. >> look at that.

>> hold on, that means, i'm not great at math, be that means 64% of donald trump's republican party don't think it's a bad thing to steal nuclear secrets. 64%. hey, good luck with that, party. good luck with, i have a couple of wigs that would like to talk to you, but richard, that goes to the rest of the country. this is what i have been saying until i'm blue in the face since 2017. you keep narrowing down your base until you have insurrectionists, weirdos, and freaks. that's where we are. everybody look. you're freaking out about what is going on. look at that number. that is us. people who actually give a about the president of the united states who steals nuclear secrets and then lies about it to the fbi and lies about it when the fbi tries to

retrieve the nuclear secrets. >> things that are not his. >> 80%. that is us. that is us. we are the majority, and we will stay the majority as long as the insurrectionists, weirdos, and freaks continue to say it's okay for donald trump to do whatever he wants to do, including, well, what marco rubio said in 2016 or '17? caused a severe counterintelligence to the country. that's what the intel committee said in 2016 or 2017. it's still the case now. >> even more so. >> you're not old enough to republican when the republican party stood for two things, one was strong national security, and the other was law and order. what does this bring together? national security and law and order. the idea that so many republicans, including the people who want to be president of the united states, are not

willing to take it on frontally, that's another statement what happened to the gop, and that is something less than the grand old party as a result. we can argue the politics of it and say it's not a winning formula, but it's also to me, a tragic commentary about what has happened in this country, and it could happen, and put aside the politics, just people don't stand up and say, this is unacceptable. >> the thing is, they lose. that's what i don't understand. this behavior has cost them the election, and i think i need to say it in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023. >> this is their chance. >> they had their cool with donald trump stealing nuclear secrets. a lot of conservative outlets know that. they are trying to beg their own base, wake up. wake up. look. you're right, let's go to the law and order thing.

what do conservatives -- what have conservatives wanted for 50 years? social scientists saying yes, johnny, he and a gang broke into neiman marcus and looted the store. we don't need to look at that act. we need to look at all of the things they were victims of growing up with what led up to this. the system is corrupt. you cannot blame -- that's what republicans are saying. poor donald. poor donald. >> they are after him. >> it's not his fault. look at what joe biden did. look -- it's that old -- look over there. every time bill clinton got in trouble or our good friend from louisiana, trying to distract for donald trump. i guess that would work if you're talking about porn stars or playboy bunnies, but not as

effective with nuclear secrets. >> yeah, and it's about patriotism. the 80%, joe, you're right, that's who we are. this is us. these folks, do you believe -- i hear you. i'm hearing you loud and clear. do they pose a threat to the country? >> in jail. i mean if they are going to commit violence, not in jail. if they are saying -- and as far as elections go, if they are running around -- i promise you that in the suburbs of philly, if they are running around defending a man who stole nuclear secrets and wouldn't give it back and lied to his lawyer and lied to the fbi and everyone around him and the doj, not really good -- that's not a 90/10 in the suburbs of atlanta or an 80/20 in philly. that hurts in the suburbs of detroit and milwaukee, all of the places he needs to win back. it drives him farther away.

the republican party gets trashed in the areas because of abortion and january 6th, and you add this, my god, i promise you, this morning there's republicans in those states going, do we just pull up the tent stakes? we can't take anymore on board. >> so let's get to chuck rosenburg. despite the claims from trump that it is a witch hunt, quote, did far more than merely lay out the crimes against the president. the strength of mr. smith's case will be tested by mr. trump's lawyers, the evidence was abundant and varied.

it included photographs a transcript of a recording, and notes through the legal tactic of working around attorney- client privilege. on fox news yesterday, trump's new former attorney general had a similar take and offered a prediction for the former president. >> i was shocked by the degree of the sensitivity. if half of it is true, he's toast. it's a very detailed indictment, and it's very, very damning. the idea of presenting him as the victim of the witch hunt, that's ridiculous. yes, his adversaries have pursued him. i did add to the side defending against him when he is a victim, but this is much different. he's not the victim here. he was totally wrong that he had the right to have the

documents. the documents are among the most sensitive secrets the country has. they have to be in the custody of the archives. he kept them in a way at mar-a- lago that anyone who cares about national security, their stomach would churn at it. we cannot forget the entire thing came about because of reckless conduct from the president. if he just turned over the documents, which every other person in the country would have done, the government's documents, official records, not his personal records. >> it's important again, always great to keep things in perspective. we see insurrectionists, weirdos, and freaks defending it. we understand that. we get that. you have bill barr defending

him through everything, i think shamelessly defended him. bad of an attorney general as john mitchell, if not worse also lying before the senate and the house. he said they are the most sensitive secrets in the country he took. i heard from other people who worked in the trump administration who were very high up when it came to national security, heard this weekend, they thought it was going to be bad. they could not imagine, they could not imagine it was this bad. i mean, just people who worked for him that were absolutely stunned and shattered. looking at the national view, and the national view, defending him time and again, and all of this what about

hillary nonsense? but not this time. this is worse than we could have ever imagined, and mccarthy, very tough, very conservative jurist, and andy also writing that this was terribly bad. trump is not a victim, and this is just horrific. yes, yes, you have some insurrectionists, weirdos, and freaks, but there's strong conservative voices out there who understand, patting no one on the head, because you steal nuclear secrets, should not be that hard to come to the conclusion this is really bad, but there's people coming to the conclusion. >> there are. i spoke to senior democrats and republicans over the weekend, and it was unanimously, far worse than anticipated. it's been a scandal for a year or so. a lot of the trumpist turning their back on bill barr when he

refused to go along with january 6th . we should remember, he shaped the muller report, the public opinion there. there's some republicans who like bill barr or will listen to him. those who are akinned to him, who are deeply worried by this. barr gave the message on fox news for republicans to hear that. we should note donald trump responds calling him weak, totally ineffective, and a gutless pig. >> again, again, all saying in unison, only the best people. for all you weirdos, freaks, and insurrectionists, tuning in i see you, i know you who you are, little johnny, how are you? little donny, timmy, so even though they do that, and talk

that way, and again, it's terrible. they know how horrible it is. even those defending donald trump they understand it's hard for him to get out. >> let's bring in dave aaronburg and chuck rosenburg. chuck, i will begin with you, having the weekend to take in the indictment and every aspect of it, what do you think the most concerning part of it is? >> sure, of course, it's the retention and the willful retention of the highly classified information. what makes it prosecutable and puts mr. trump at risk is the obstruction of justice charges. they have to prove intent.

when you obstruction the investigation and mislead your own attorney and urge your own attorney to mislead the fbi, all of that demonstrates intent. had he just returned the stuff, and let's say you find stuff in your house in indiana like mr. pence or in your house in delaware, like mr. biden, and you notify the fbi and cooperate and turn everything over and you're truthful, there's no criminal case. here where you obstruct the underlying investigation, you demonstrate for the world, and ultimately for the jury, your own intent. that is what makes the willful retention prosecutable in a court of law where i believe mr. trump will ultimately face justice. >> let me ask you, though, obviously a bizarre appointment for the judge, cannon? >> definitely the judge? >> that's what i want to ask,

definitely the judge? i looked it up last night. i don't have much of a life, and meeka thinks i'm a nerd. i want to read what the 11th circuit said about the woman's decision earlier saying to create a special exception here with the nation's foundational principles that rely on all, regardless of numbers, wealth, or rank, the law is clear. we cannot write a rule says the 11th circuit of what the judge tried to do before, allowing any subject of a search to block government investigations with the exemption of the warrant, and we cannot write a rule that allows a former president to do so. either approach would be a radical reordering of our case law, and getting federal courts involvement in criminal investigations, and both violate bedrock separation of

powers limitations. i mean, i could go on, chuck, but basically says this woman just violated bedrock principles in the constitution to try to protect donald trump. it was one of the most scathing, scathing rulings i have ever seen, overturning a lower court's ruling. and this person is in charge of the case? does she stay in charge throughout the entire case? >> probably so, joe. so the 11th circuit, i read the opinion, too, and they were not gent until the review of her actions. i read what she did and what they said about what she did, and they had it right. now, look, there's a big difference between a bad judge and an unprincipled judge. i can not believe she is unprincipled. she may just be a bad judge, just not good at her job.

there's dentists and airline pilots who are really good and some that are awful. >> that doesn't make anyone feel better. >> you and i both know you have the luck of the draw on this, and this woman getting this, come on, man, how did this woman of all women or all judges who, again, probably put down the worst ruling, and again, the 11th circuit, one of the most conservative circuits. how could that judge be assigned this? it seems far from luck of the draw. >> well, look, i don't know it's anything but luck of the draw, joe. i don't know that. if it's something, it will come out. it always does. here's my larger point about bad judges and good judges. as a federal prosecutor, you

live with the judge you get. some are very good at managing the case in the courtroom and docket, and some aren't. if you're underlying facts of sound and the theory of the case is sound and you have investigated properly, you will be okay. this is not going to turn on the judge, i don't believe. i may be wrong about that. umpires make bad calls all the time, but the best team usually wins. >> not last night, jonathan. >> two out of three this weekend, but we don't have time to talk about that. >> dave, as you well know, the chief clerk of the federal court system in the southern district of florida confirmed judge cannon, this is her trial unless she were to recuse herself. give us your thoughts and preview what we are going to see tomorrow in the historic moment when the president of the united states appears in the courthouse to face charges. >> jonathan, i want to show

you. this is the sheet where jack smith checked the box for the court division, and he checked west palm beach, and that's why judge cannon had a good chance at getting this. it was not 1 out of 15. it was 1 of 4. there's no conspiracy here. i know the clerk of court there, ms. noble, she is awesome, honest, and it's a random assignment, bad luck, and by the way, tomorrow, the magistrate judge dealing with the arraignment will be a miami judge named john goodman, not judge cannon, but he is assigned. no relation to the john goodman show roseanne. >> i was wondering. >> yeah. >> first thing i thought of. >> what does the magistrate do tomorrow? >> okay, so the magistrate, john goodman, the doj abides, and will go ahead and deal with

it the same as everyone else, take the plea of not guilty, setting the terms of pretrial release, and trump will go back to mar-a-lago. the department of justice had bad luck in getting judge cannon. i agree with chuck. she made some controversial rulings, but she also knows she was publically humiliated by the 11th circuit. the three-judge panel cited it, and they smacked down her rulings, and they took her off the case, and two of the three judges were trump appointees. you have to believe maybe she will act differently, not wanting to get put in timeout again. don't expect her to recuse herself. the case of a lifetime, and she went out of her way to intervene in the case last year when she shouldn't have, and why would she take herself off voluntarily? if she goes out of bounds, expect jack smith to go to the 11th circuit to get her

removed, but i don't think it will happen yet. >> let's say she has more bizarre rulings, and the 11th circuit keeps striking down the rulings, could jack smith go and ask for her removal? >> you can't get a judge removed because they are not good at their job. you can have them removed because they have a conflict, particularly familiar or financial. there's important rulings she has to make, including the piercing of attorney-client privilege decided with the d.c. judge in respect to the grand jury investigation still applies to the case before her, which would be tried. that is a big ruling. if you lose that, maybe you do go to the 11th circuit and argue she got the law wrong. there's a lot of rulings by judges on the path to trial. some you win, and some you

lose. as a prosecutor, you deal with it. i grow with dave. it may turn out she's not a good judge. it happens to prosecutors. you deal with it. >> just so everyone understands what happens. let's say, for instance, if, dave, she rules that the attorney-client privilege should not have been pierced, she makes the ruling, and jack smith appeals up to the 11th circuit, and based on everything we know, based on the law, the 11th circuit will reverse it and it will go back down. one more humiliation for her. if she makes the whacko rulings like last time, going back to the 11th circuit. i do love how it's playing out. it's not going to the 9th circuit, the most con seventive circuit in america with trump- appointed judges, and they reverse it and going back down

to another trump-appointed judge, and the question is how much does she want to be humiliated? chuck asked the right question. has she learned? we will see. any bad ruling will be reversed by the 11th circuit. the only thing here, let's just say that somebody wanted to drag this case out to benefit donald trump, that is one thing completely in her power. that's what donald trump wants. >> yeah, jack smith filed this case in south florida, and in part because he wanted it to be expedited. he wanted to eliminate trump's arguments it's the wrong venue and tried to avoid the delays. he got judge cannon, and yes, she could grant the extensions and delays, and that's trump's strategy. i'm not worried she will dismiss the case. the 11th circuit has shown they will not only reverse her, but they are quick to act.

they know the stakes here, and she could do something that could really hurt the prosecution, such as she could allow more trump supporters on the jury during jury selection, and she could, if he is found guilty, she could go way below the federal sentencing guidelines and give extreme leniency. there's ways to she could hurt the prosecution, but i agree, if she goes too far, the 11th circuit will step in i don't know if they can help if she delays past the 2024 election. >> the venue eliminates the complaint of bias, and also to judge cannon, making it harder for trump to complain about bias in the trial, too. it's harder to shape the narrative with his appointee doing it. >> everything, the venue, the judge, everything breaking donald trump's way here. all of it. it means, of course, trouble for the prosecution, and --

>> challenges. >> at the end if he is charged and sentenced and goes to jail, then that happened, and really with him getting every single benefit of the doubt. >> he would turn on her the same way. >> that, too. >> well, get ready. >> state attorney for palm beach county, florida and former fbi official, chuck rosenburg, thank you both for coming on early this morning. we will see you tomorrow. >> i couldn't help but notice, richard, chuck brought up baseball. time? >> no time. >> more on the new developments surrounding the federal indictment of donald trump including the new york times 2024 gop field, quote, law and order or loyalty? two candidates promising to rename a military base. >> this is really sick.

>> what is wrong? >> a traitor who loses -- is there a theme here? a theme here? why do they like losers and traitors? >> we will tell you who they are. >> unbelievable. also ahead, a live report over the resignation of boris johnson. and the big winners of the tony awards. you're watching morning joe. we will be right back. we will g .

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45 after the hour, and boris johnson, the embattled prime minister abruptly resigning from parliament. >> whoever saw that coming? >> he received a letter from the house of commons committee which is investigating if he lied to the british lawmakers

over the lockdown breaking parties during the covid-19 pandemic. >> he was not the only member of parliament. >> nope. >> also scotland's former first minister nicol a sturgeon arrested on sunday by police investigating misconduct. stepping down abruptly in february. >> let's go to kierra simmons. boris johnson, being untruthful, whoever saw this coming? >> yeah, and we are here to make you feel better about your politics, joe, here in the u.k. you're welcome. you're welcome. it is confusing. it is confusing, and let me try to simplify it. boris johnson has resigned as a

lawmaker and a member of parliament because of this report coming out, which he says is a hatchet job, but also has the implications that he was going to have to fight for the site for the parliamentary seat. instead he stepped away. the committee meeting is today. i think we will hear more on what they are alleging against boris johnson. it's all the question whether or not he lied during covid about parties that were happening at downing street and his estate. there's that part of it, and there's also a part of it, getting to nominate people to the house of laws, the honors list to give the honors out. that's one of the last things the prime minister can do. three are not on the list, and there's a furious rowe over why, whether richie sunack had some part in it.

politics in the u.k. can be poisonous, and there's members from the conservative party. boris johnson claiming he's trying to push them out. there's the boris faction and the other factions inside of the conservative party. i don't think that we have heard the last of boris johnson. >> all right, keira, thank you for making us feel a bit better. >> not working. >> we are trying. we are working through it. thank you so much. thinking about this quickly. the right wing populous passing away, and boris johnson going away. the right wing populous in britain, and donald trump, obviously. >> apparently stole the nuclear secrets. that's just not going to end well. >> are we seeing a bit of a turning of the page?

>> in a word, no. the disease that led to this wave of right wing populousism has not gone away it happens when governments do not deliver and people feel resentful in our country. everything from the wars that went badly to the economy that didn't grow in the middle class, et cetera, et cetera, and they turned to right-wing populous. >> they lost in '17, '18, '19, '20, '21, '22, and '23. >> it's too soon to say we have turned the page. we see it in other parts of the world. mexico, india, turkey, and you saw what won.what it is too soon to say we burned the page. he gets nailed for lying to parliament about having parties during covid. what he doesn't get nailed for is taking the country over the cliff on brexit. >> haven't they changed their mind on brexit. don't most brits want back in the e.u.

>> most polls show they -- >> could they have a revote? >> no. even labor is not calling for a revote. labor will be the next prime minister and you'll have 80% of being back in the e.u. without calling it being back in the e.u. >> tell me about berlisconi. >> right-wing populist. the personal thing. totally messed up the italian economy and contributed to italy being outside of europe and just -- >> he was trump before trump. there are a lot of people that we compare trump to. but berlusconi was trump. >> the big personality and the closest to him, you're right. >> let's talk about ukraine. zelenskyy said that the counter offensive has begun. reports out of russia, it seems right now the foreign ministry and the wagner group still having battles between themselves. it looks like a real sort of battle to succeed putin.

>> yeah. i think that is the battle over if things go bad enough, what then happens. i take it much more seriously, joe, than i used to a few months ago. we're going to be asking ourselves every day, checking the temperature of something in the oven, how is it going. you measure this in months, not in days. so in a funny sort of way, let's see where they are in a couple of months and whether there is a trend here. do we see whether the russians are beginning to collapse or do we see the russians in defensive positions, even if they lose a little bit, could essentially hold the line. that is the question. >> by the way, because i'm a conservative, i believe things could always get worse. if you want to know how they could get worse, look at the guy running the wagner group. that is how things could be far worse than vladimir putin. >> he makes putin look like a sane actor. to your point, u.s. officials

say early signs of progress in the counter offensive but this is going to be weeks and months. it is too early to say. but we underscore how important is it to show real progress to keep the funding and equipment coming from an alliance at this point unified but we're hearing growing whispers among republicans wondering how much longer we could keep doing this. >> i think there is a fundamental fork in the road in four to six months. if this goes with well, people will stay stick with it. >> and what defined if it is going well. >> that is a subjective call. but they've retaken big parts, maybe of the east back of donetsk. not yet crimea, but big parts of the east. if there is no change in the battlefield, then i think you'll see pressured calls to have a cease-fire, this isn't working and think about something else. so what is enough to show

progress and i think it is too soon to answer that question. but it could be a debate. it is not black or white. there is some gray here. but there has to be a sense they've made real progress and the russians seem to be collapsing and if that happens i think they're okay. if it doesn't happen, again, the pressure will grow for a cease-fire. >> i believe going into next winter, regardless of pressure, it is going to be overwhelming. >> how to convict trump. joyce vance joins us with her advice for special counsel jack smith an how to succeed in his case against the former president. "morning joe" will be right back. i served three overseas tours. i love to give back to the community. i offer what i can when i can. i started noticing my memory was slipping. i saw a prevagen commercial and i did some research on it.

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no one will be above the law. >> we also need to fight this battle, by collecting intelligence and then protecting -- protecting our classified secrets. >> we can't have someone in the oval office who doesn't understand the meaning of the word confidential or classified. >> one of the first things we must do is to enforce all classification rules. and to enforce all laws relating to the handling of classified information. >> we also need the best protection of classified information. >> service members here in north carolina have risked their lives to acquire classified intelligence to protect our country. >> donald trump's own words. >> i agree with him. >> and which shows he understood

the importance of protecting classified information. those comments are included in the 49 page indictment against him. >> and mike barnicle is here. and these files, a lot of them were marked with five eye's classification markings only to be used by those with top-secret clearance. we've nuclear secrets and documents involving america's national security weaknesses that he stole from the white house. you name it. the very things he was talking about there, he took. and they were talked to national security people over the weekend, some that work for him, absolutely shocked. just flabbergasted by just how sensitive the documents were that he took. >> you know, is it possible, joe, that all of that, that you just listed, and all of the hypocrisy that with you jest heard from the former president,

could be the second most dangerous element that is going on now in this country. the first and the highly lethal element that is going on in this country is what they're doing to the system. vast numbers of the members of the republican party, especially in the house of representatives, eddie and i were just talking off camera, this congressman andy biggs from arizona tweets an eye for an eye after the indictments announced. this constant talk among circles in the republican party and in large segments of the american public there is a double standard here. why aren't the bidens being indicted. why is it just trump? the realize is of what donald trump has done, the damage he has done to this country over the past seven or eight years actually is now coming to a full head of steam with this trial coming up. >> we know where it goes,

though, mike. because we know where january 6 went and where it goes is a lot of people end up in jail. if someone is looking at what andy biggs is saying, they could look back and see what happened after january 6 when they tried this before. these people are in jail. monther people will go to jail if they do that. and the republican party will pay. look at this number. these are the amount of people outside of the base of the republican party who believe that donald trump taking nuclear secrets and classified military secrets is especially bad. 80%. would be taking military -- would it be a national security risk. 80% say yes. and that is the thing. the freaks, the insurrectionists, the weirdos, the sycophants, that number keeps decreasing by the day. >> my worry is not the 80%. my worry is the ordinary people

out there to for whatever reasons have immense fealty toward donald trump. we don't understand why they have this like unreasonable dedication to this guy after what he -- he's done nothing for them. >> except lose. >> i've been thinking for about four or five days now about 1968. i was thinking about los angeles and memphis and chicago and all of the violence that ensued during 1968. and many people, richard, you remember this, many people wondering whether the fabric of this country was coming apart. was it unraveling right in front of our eyes in 1968. no matter what happened in 1968, all of the anti-war stuff, all of the anti-constitutional stuff, the country is in trouble, all of that stuff, the constitution, the basis of who we are as a government and as a people was never under siege. it was never threatened. it is today. >> the only thing i'll say is we

had a president who tried to steal an election. >> right. >> he didn't do anything. we had a president who took 63 cases to the federal courts, and federalist society judges and liberal judges and judges in between, all 63 threw those out. you had him going to what he called his supreme court. his supreme court said no, there is no widespread voter fraud here. three of his justices that he appointed said no, the two most conservative justs alito and thomas wrote a opinion saying there is not enough fraud out there to overturn an election. you could go down the list. and now we're seeing day after day ever day, the people that beat the hell out of cops and trying to overthrow the government and were in a conspiracy to commit sedition against the government, they're going to jail, 10, 15, 20 years. so i understand what you say. donald trump was indicted and we

need to see what happens. but, richard, obviously, it is much different, it is much different when it is coming from the inside, when you have a former president that is doing all of this and you have about 30%, 35% of the population going along. so, that is -- i agree with mike. that is very troubling. i would just say that it is a shrinking band of insurrectionists, weirdos, freaks, white supremacists, and fascists that are following him. >> yeah, but it still should -- let me give you two reasons. >> it should what? >> worry you. northern ireland, it doesn't take a lot of people to disrupt the society. we saw what happened in pennsylvania with the bridge. so just sayah small number of intensely motivated people want to call real damage to this urn coo. they could do it. so to me the fear i have is not

of a second civil war, quote/unquote, it is random acts of politically inspired -- >> you're not suggesting the bridge was anything but -- >> i have no idea. my point is what it does is it demonstrated how infrastructure, small amounts of critical infrastructure could be highly disrupted and small numbers of people if they want to commit acts of destruction could do it and cause real damage to a society. northern ireland is proof of that. and second, when you say it is an intense but dwindling percentage of america, but when people vote they vote on a lot of things. who knows when they vote in 18 months, that is not front and center. maybe it is recession or something related to crime or the border. democracy is not the ballot. it is the back drop. so i could imagine political scenarios where despite everything you're pointing out, still things go in a very

different direction politically. >> i just want to say, mika will tell you this, i'm anything but sanguine. i did not sound sanguine at all but i don't bring that on the show. i get it out and i think through it and i'm trying to keep things in perspective here. >> right. >> yeah, this is deeply troubling that you would a ex-president that will steal nuclear secrets and say that is cool. we're cool with that. i'm saying long run, long-term, a price has at least over the last eight years, a price has been paid by the party who endorsed aberrant political behavior. >> you've said over and over again that two things are true at once, so i think both of these claims could be true. but i'm thinking about the spectrum. from the lone person in their basement, who could be radicalized to kevin mccarthy, to steve scalise, to folks who

are -- this is the weaponization of the federal government and how could that -- that could provide cover for the folk who think that the federal government has overreached and there is a threat against liberty. so i think part of my concern is that we face a tragic choice in this country. we're at an inflection point and that tragic choice has involved, when it comes to donald trump, will we uphold the rule of law or will the cold civil war turn hot, will we not uphold the rule of law and will we lose our democracy. and we've been at that point with this guy for a number of years. and we're here. >> it is getting sharper. >> but we always have that battle. we had that battle during the civil war. >> we almost lost the nation. >> we had that battle during reconstruction. where you talk about backsliding. you could look at tulsa in the 1920s and the jim crow laws, we could go to the church bombing in birmingham where four little

girls go to sunday school and they get blown up by a white racist terrorist and killed and we could look at what happened in philadelphia, mississippi, where kids go down. the mississippi. and get killed and buried. it is been -- it's been a long hard battle. you talk about 1968, my god, who would want to go through 1968 again. the assassination of mlk and the tete offensive androts all over america. i'm not saying that now is wonderful, we always have this fight of people trying to pull us back from going toward being a more perfect union. >> but i think this is worse. >> you think this is worse than 1968. >> yeah. >> absolutely. i wrote about it in the book. i think this is structurally and systematically more of a threat because one of the two major political parties of the united

states has been to some except hijacked. in 1968 that wasn't the case. >> mike, you agree with that. >> i do agree with it because the principal figure in the republican party -- >> is a cult leader. >> is soon to be on trial for espionage and thwarting the constitution. >> and could still run for president. >> he is through his words and his behavior, his follow me attitude toward his followers, is pointed and -- has an attack daily on the constitution of the united states. >> fascist. >> that is the spine of our democracy and that is what he's doing. >> also joining the conversation, we have join vance and chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" peter baker. whose latest analyst is entitled "trump's case puts the justice system on trial, in a test of public credibility." and let me just go into the 37-count indictment which alems

former president trump risked some of the mostly guarded u.s. government secrets about i storing classified material in unsuckured areas in his florida resort. according to the indictment, a document concerning the nuclear capabilities of a foreign country was found with a designation saying it could not be des imnated outside of the government without prior approval. a document concerning the military capabilities of a foreign country and the united states was discovered. it was marked as being from intercepted communications and had a designation that it cannot be shared with a foreign government. according to the indictment, six top secret documents were also found with the classification for materials related to u.s. spy satellites concerning the military capabilities of other countries. and a document parked formerly

restricted data was found, that classification is used for materials downgraded from a higher classification that relate, quote, primarily to the military utilization of atomic weapons. there is the nuclear secrets and there is the fact that a lot of these documents involve work that has been done on behalf of the united states of america that could threaten the lives of those serving in this country. >> peter baker, talk about the challenges that you said is put on the institutions, on the system. >> well a lot that we've been talking about this morning, joe. what we have here, is a situation where we have federal charges against a former president of the united states and it is a test. and can we put -- can we hold people accountable no matter how powerful they are would you the -- without that the system is corrupted in the process, right. this is an important moment where people are, you know,

required in effect to make a decision as to whether they trust the system of government that they have been, you know, working with for the last 240 some years or whether they're going to believe that this is all just some sort of a hoax or a witch hunt or some of the things that former president trump likes to say. and the polls are very telling at this point. so many americans even having seen the secret information that mika just talked about being exposed and the bathrooms and the ballrooms of mar-a-lago, don't seem to consider this to be a legitimate prosecution. so how does the system convince at least the majority or a vast swath of the american public this is a legitimate prosecution, this is nothing to do with politics. this is about the nation's secrets and about justice, rule of law and all of these things at a time when the former president and his allies are out there telling the opposite and that is a huge test for the system right now. >> it is such a test. and we have right now half of the country not necessarily agreeing on the same set of facts. not getting all of the

information because they're hearing it from a conservative news network or their favorite radio host or some online worm hole where they're siloed an not hearing the rest of the information. and the white house has kept very quiet about this. president biden was asked on friday about the indictment and he declined to comment. i think they don't want to be perceived as weighing in because the number one republican talking point right now is that they think this is a politically motivated investigation and it is joe biden investigating his top political rival donald trump and they're saying it is a banana republic. other counter and say that it was a banana republic when they elected donald trump. and joyce vance, you wrote a piece titled "how to convict trump." >> would i rode along with normizen and we looked at the basic challenges. this is making an interesting topic dry in a sense.

but prosecutors will face these pragmatic realities in a complicated situation with lots of evidence. prosecutors will have to tell the jury a simple straightforward narrative and this is the kind of case that is well suited for that. it is a one-two punch. on the one hand you have the former president retaining very, very serious and important classified material. the kind of information that could do grave damage to our national security if it fell into the wrong hands and he violates the law holding on to that after he leaves the white house. and then the second part of the one-two punch is the obstruction of justice. and this goes a long way to proving it wasn't a mistake, it wasn't some sort of wrongful belief that he was entitled to these documents, trump knew that what he did was wrong and tried to cover it up. he tried to use his lawyers to cover it up. that is a compelling story to tell a jury. but there is a ticking clock here. the government has to be mindful

of. made even more problematic by the appointment of judge cannon to try this case and doj will push to get this done in advance of the election so americans will have the best possible information when they go to the polls in 2024. >> peter baker, all you have to do is read a single sentence of anything that you've written over the last period of time, last year or so, to understand the fact that you're a very thoughtful guy. and i'm wondering how much you've thought about the dark and dangerous magic that is donald j. trump. and are we doing enough in the media, do you think, to put portray the impact of this dark and dangerous magic and this captive hold he has on so many americans. many of them terrific people i'm sure. but who have fallen under his sway. are we doing enough to point out

the true deep dangers involved here? >> well, it is really fascinating question. right. because as you say, we have a president charged with 37 counts of federal crimes. on top of 34 counts of state crimes in new york. on top of 17 counts on which his own business has been convicted of tax fraud and other financial crimes. on top of a $5 million civil damages award because he was found liable for sexually abusing ai woman and on top of his foundation being closed because it was considered to be fraudulent organization. on top of two impeachments, on top of all of these things. what politician you could imagine, mike, in your lifetime, before now who would not only survive this but seem to be thriving. it is a phenomenon unlike anything that we've seen. i can't think of a historic parallel in the united states. but maybe there are some in other countries that richard

could help us with. but this level and amount of scandal and allegation and so forth, who somehow is not only not disqualified, but seemingly emboldened at least with their base. does that mean they'll continue to be. i don't know. i auld wondered whether at some point there is an accumulation of all of this. even if the fans still believe in him and say i like the guy, think maybe he's getting a raul deal and we're on our third and fourth indictment and who knows if they would say let's see if somebody else is out there that might agree with us but might not have as much court appearances coming up and so far that is not the case and he does have a magic connection with these people. >> it is called a cult like figure, a cult figure, a fascist. this is what happens. and if you talk, jonathan lemire, i know you have the next question, but if you talk to

trump supporters who are all in for him, they do not believe that he did anything wrong. they believe that the government and these -- leftists are after him. there is nothing that is going to change them. there is no waiting to see if they will change their minds. >> and this is the culmination of years worth of trump chipping away at americans faith in institutions and his supporters faith in institutions where they don't believe this is happening. they believe it is a corrupt investigation against him and we've never been before him and do you a historical -- >> there is nothing that comes exact. but some people out there. bb netanyahu and erdogan a little bit in turkey. berlusconi. >> you're not naming very nice people. >> and boris johnson a little bit. and these are people who are serially lied to their public and done things against the law and yet have sur vied because

they have a powerful base and influence in the media and something about their own personality. >> it is a charismatic -- >> half of this with he would be looking for rocks we could hide under. the idea that you keep going almost like the energizer bunny, nothing effects you. >> and that is when you see him with a crowd. not that we need to see it again, cnn town hall but he did it again there where he had the crowd laughing with him about terrible things. he would do or say something terrible and the audience would go wild. that is how it begins. >> and trump said he's staying in the race no matter what. whether he's indicted or convicted. he's not going anywhere. and so far in the republican primary field, it hasn't hurt. it only helped. that could be a different situation next year. but the election shadows over all of this. it is not just that he's a former president, he's the current front-runner for the gop nominee and he's out on the campaign trail. so tell us, in your best guess,

what sort of time line we could look at for this particular case and we should note january 6 and georgia still loom, but the timeline for this particular case, when do you think it goes to the courtroom and that is going to disrupt trump's attempts to run for the white house again. >> well, obviously, it will or it should. and my answer, jonathan, is a little bit different today than it would have been before we knew that judge ilene cannon was the draw in this case. because she was notoriously delaying the government's ability to investigate the mar-a-lago case. but let's set that aside. miami is a rocket docket. these are a number of districts where judges are vigilant about enforcing deadlines and moving cases forward and that is likely something that made jack smith feel good about going to miami to indict this case. i think he had no choice because this is where venue is. and a failure to indict a case

in the proper jurisdiction could be fatal to a case. but nonetheless, he was hoping to get a quick hearing. quick, of course, is a relative term in a case that involves classified documents. procedures will have to be developed by the court under a statute called sipa to protect the classified information and in any normal setting that would involve some delay. here with a judge who never had any exposure to the statute and may be hostile to it. it is likely that this case is not going to go to trial as quickly as the government hoped. you know, will it get there before the primaries? i think not. will it get there before the election, that is to be the government's singular goal. >> former u.s. attorney joyce vance and correspondent for "the new york times" peter baker. thank you both very much for your insight this morning. and still ahead on "morning

joe," lindsey graham lost his cool while defending donald trump yesterday. we'll show you that intense moment. and meanwhile, two candidates are promising to rename a military base after a confederate general. we'll explain why. plus we'll have the details on the arrest of an american in moscow. and the response from the u.s. state department. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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as president, restoring the name of fort bragg to our great military base in fayetteville, north carolina. and thank the people that have served there. and their proud of their service there. and it is an iconic name and an iconic base. and we're not going to let political correctness run amok in north carolina. >> we will rebuild our military. we will give our soldiers sailors and air man and marines and coast guard the support they need to accomplish their mission. we will end the political correctness in the hallways fts of the pentagon and north carolina will once again be home to fort bragg. >> liberty north carolina was called fort bragg. the former name honors bragston bragg, who was known for being a slave owner, and losing a lot of civil war battles. that contributed to the confederacy's downfall. they want to change the name of

the base this month after congress passed a law in 2021 that renamed d.o.d. properties that were named after people who tried to commit sedition against the united states of america by upholding slavery by tearing apart the union. where do i begin. >> it seems like -- the party has bigger problems than to take on new ones. >> it is really unbelievable that you have ron desantis and mike pence and all of the people cheering in the audience, like cheering about a confederate general would tried to kill american troops to uphold slavery. now, they will try to mix that with jefferson and washington and others. and madison who were slave

holders. who, actually president of the united states, and created documents that freed more people than on the face of the earth. we could walk through that debate, as we figure out how we balance these two troops that thomas jefferson, yes. he was a slave holder who again, wasn't especially liked even by other slave holders but yet he created a document that freed more hume yap beings than any other political document ever written. here, it is a balancing act. what are we trying to balance here. this guy tried to kill american troops so he could uphold slavery. so ron desantis is the pro-slavery and mike pence is pro-slavery. this is pretty clear-cut. and somebody said this week, this is a dog whistle.

this is not a dog whistle. a dog whistle is going after jews by talking about george soros, you have to take a couple of steps but they're there. this is like we are going to fight attempts to stop naming bases against losers who lost wars for the confederacy so they could keep their slaves. this is just like right in your face racism. >> it is not a dog whistle. it is a damn fog horn. >> right. >> and for me, before we get to the question about heritage and all of this other, for me, viscerally, these sorts of appeals, right, makes me think of my great grandmother and my great grandfather and people who grew up in the south, black people who grew up in the south who had to deal with the implications of that appeal. and so it is a brazen appeal to hatred, a brazen appeal to the belief that certain people

possess the country and other people should be -- shut up and be grateful. that is that visceral emotional response to desantis and pence. and pence presenting it with all that piety that he does really urks me. and then there is the reality of what they're doing politically, revealing what is at the heart of the trump base of the republican party base and that is hatred, fear and grievance. to political correctness is a shorthand and critical race theory becomes a short end and equity of inclusion and people who look like me a shorthand and people who aren't heterosexual. whenever they get a chance to appeal to people's fears and hatreds, they do. and to me it is eroding the very fabric, or tearing the very fabric of the country apart. >> we don't -- we talk about how we're moving toward a more perfect union and how over decades, i was very moved by tim

scott talking about -- on the view talking about in the 1920s, his grandfather would have to step off the sidewalk and keep his eyes down if somebody walked past and now look at where he is. it is because his belief that america was always going to be better. and we've made tremendous progress. but within the republican party, you look at the republican party, when i was there, even in the 1990s, this would never -- maybe it happened somewhere. i doent know. but i could tell in my district, we were having battles to rename a street in pensacola for martin luther king jr. and it got a little ugly and all of the republican people were on the same side. rename the damn street. let's get ready, get into the 21st century. and nikki haley six, seven, eight years ago took down the confederate flag. would they take down the flag now? no. just wouldn't do it.

because things have regressed so much. i always talk about the iowa congressman -- >> steve king. >> steve king. who was taken off a committee for saying things that were racially intenseive. they would make him chairman of the committee today. it has in this trump republican party on the issue of race, we have seen a retrenchment. >> a setback. >> a setback that takes us back to the mid 1960s at least. >> i don't disagree with that. >> i think of the 41, i think of this tradition of republicanism that was committed to civil rights. people with disabilities, just go down the lis belief in equal opportunity. this is a wokeism of the right. they're criticizing what they see as the wokeism of the left. but you listen to it, it is all coated words or not so coded words appealing very much to a

totally different constituency. >> it is identity politics. >> totally. and it is the new fashion of republican politics. >> and it is an ever narrowing republican base. because it is all based on victimhood, it is all based on the very things that conservatives used to loathe. they're now victims, they're snowflakes. they could be triggered by just about anything and you look at what has been happening, and again, they're the ones, jonathan lemire, they're the ones that are snowflakes. they're the ones that are actually comfortable attacking our men and women in uniform. calling them weak and woke. calling them weak and woke because of renaming of a base, taking the name away from a slave holder who was fighting to actually overturn, destroy the united states of america. so he could keep his slaves.

i mean, it is just absolutely crazy when you ask anybody across the globe about the u.s. military and they'll tell you that we're stronger at any point relative to the rest of the world than any time since world war ii. we just are. there is just no debate about that except among republicans who are doing their damnest to attack and criticize the united states military and drive down actually recruiting. >> on the eve of russia's invasion of ukraine, there were senators who praised the russian military so that should be a model. >> why can't we be more like -- >> and the blatant, it is a fog horn about confederate generals who fought to defend slavery. it is being triggered by base -- by a bud light ad and a target ad campaign. and -- >> triggered by chick-fil-a saying we need to treat

everybody with respect. and that is an offense. >> and we need to be humble. and that the ceo of chick-fil-a, in a move emulating jesus christ and his disciples, gets on his knees an shines the shoes of a black man. that may be seen among trumpers as a weakness. he's read the red letters of the new testament. that seat is a strength. and that is called servant leadership. and yet they're clueless. because they take the name evangelical, they have no idea what any of it means. it is all politics. it is all posing these people. >> it is a triggered and to be angry about everything. that threatens their perceived identity, the grievance that trump has tapped into and there is real fears of violence, this is pride month and there are

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we're talking about fascism here. >> welcome back. >> no, we're just talking about mike. mike, you have these people who want to praise a loser. a guy, a slave holder, who -- an incompetent general who lost battle after battle and incompetent general who was a slave holder who was treasonous. and yet who could they name it after in north carolina. >> well, we saw the clip of vice president, former vice president

pence and presidential candidate governor desantis mentioning how politically correct it is to remove bragg's name from fort bragg. there are 33 medal of honor recipients from north carolina. several of them were awarded the medal of honor posthumously in world war ii, in vietnam, in korea. so the wherewithal of the way these politicians think is -- this is political correctness. no it is not. it is patriotism. if you name a post like fort bragg after someone legitimately an american hero from that state, north carolina. >> who fought and died to save this country in world war ii or vietnam. but again, why don't they in j do they keep going back to the past, as i said, fascism is always -- it begins with the

premise of a glorious heritage, a glorious past that someone has taken away from us. they have taken our glorious heritage away from us. we are going to violently take it back. but why do you want to go back and praise a loser? it makes no sense. praise one of the 33 medal of honor recipients from north carolina. it is a strange thing going on with this dwindling republican party. >> so the anti-defamation league is partnering with the united arab emirates to combat hate speech in the middle east and beyond. the center will work to sprez tolerance in the region focusing on education and cooperation with universities in the region. this, as the u.n. security

council discusses a landmark resolution that would call out hate speech and extremism. joining us now, jonathan greenblatt and with us united arab emirates ambassador yousef al otaiba. >> thank you so much. it is great to have you here. this is important. we know that history of the past, of anti-semitism, obviously, not only across the middle east but anti-semitism in europe by muslims in the past. talk about why the uae think it is so important to step out and condemn anti-semitism now? >> so i think the reason for the partnership is very obvious. it is knowledge and my hair cut here. >> there is that. >> looking good. >> no, i think if you look at the partnership and judge it

based on today, i think you'll be doing yourself a disservice. our relationship with the anti-defamation league goes back 20 years when my dear friend started visiting us over 20 years ago. so this is i think more of a natural evolution of what adl has focused on what we need to focus on more in our region. adl obviously focuses on the increasing anti-semitism in the u.s. and around the world. we have the same problem when it comes to extremism and hate speech and incitement. we don't think enough is being done, quite honestly, until it becomes a terrorism problem. until it becomes dash or isis. so i think it is really important to focus on what happens before. how does it happen? the gradual indoctrination and the brainwashing that occurs and then it feeds into a terrorism and extremism problem. june is a month where we're chairing the u.n. security council and our signature event is happening this wednesday and it is a resolution that we've

co-sponsored with the u.k. to address extremism. so it is a very important part of who we are. it is one of the main values and we're going to continue to address it around the world whenever and wherever we can. >> jonathan, your organization, as yousef said, has had a partnership. talk about how important this moment is. how ground breaking this resolution could be in the u.n. >> well i think the u.n. resolution is important. but i think about the conversation in the last segment. we can't just fight hate. we have to find hope. and again, this reaching for glorious past, we need to be investing in a future. so it is so impressive about yousef and how do we fight extremism and hate by bringing together college students, and young people for conferences, exchanges. that people to people connections, how we fight anti-semitism, islamo phobia.

>> and you just brought up a great point. also fighting islamo phobia and beyond. >> ignorance is the enemy of all of us and leaders who promote ignorance is dangerous and so we're not going to focus on bringing together a few grass tops leaders. how do we invest in the grassroots. how do we build the next generation. focusing on hope, not hate. >> yousef, based upon that, would you say a little bit about the progress or the lack of it dealing with textbooks in the arab world, in places like egypt, most populous country in the arab world or saudi arabia or in places like pakistan, where do you see the movement to effect the thinking of young people on this set of issues? >> so, you're asking the right question, richard. this is exactly what our partnership with the a.l. is designed to address. and i think this progress, spos

addic in some countries but less so in others. you have to make some changes and hope that others will follow suit. and our textbooks have been changed. many in the region have been changed and i think it is going to happen as we sort of highlight these types of initiatives a little more. it is going to be less taboo, it is going to be more popular to kind of follow suit. it is become -- we need to make it the norm. >> jonathan, talk a little bit more about the relationship between hate speech, a way of talking, and violence. so we know it is mobilized in our politics here in the united states, we see it mobilized in israel. what is the relationship -- around the world. >> around the world. >> what is the relationship between a way of talking, which in first amendment protects here in the united states. >> we need to recognize that it starts with words. violence doesn't spring up, it

is ideas that are promoted and we don't call that protected speech, we call that incitement to violence and we need to recognize when you dehumanize other people and demonize them and attack their humanity, that is dangerous for all of us. and whether the people spouting that kind of venom are, you know, white supremacists, whether they are islamic or radical anti-zionist, that is dangerous for everyone. so i think if we could recognize each other's common humanity. whether it is on we'll all be better off for it. >> jonathan, in august you and reverend al and martin luther king iii are teaming up for the 60th anniversary for the march on washington. we've heard in the past some

problems, tensions between black americans and jewish americans. yet, you go back to the march on washington 60 years ago, jewish americans were at the forefront of people that were side by side with black americans. >> 100%. >> talk about the importance of you and reverend al hosting that together. >> as reverend al says it's not a commemoration, it's a continuation. that struggle for civil rights goes on today. blacks and jews in this country have a shared experience, different traumas, but a common experience of what it means to be repressed. there's going to be the naacp, the jewish league, so many other

communities, the latino community, the asian community, lgbtq, and it all matters. we want to build an american that's focussed on hope, not hate. >> mr. ambassador, we don't have time to talk about sports, but i'll let you gloat because what a year man city has had. >> i almost came on the set with a man city jersey. i thought it would be unprofessional. >> that was the right call. >> it's been an incredible run. what an amazing season, what an amazing squad. congratulations to the team, ownership, management. to play at this level, at this competitiveness, against the best in the world, to accomplish a treble, people don't understand how hard it is.

it's been a great week and month and they deserved it. >> national director of the anti-defamation league jonathan greenblatt, thank you for being on this morning. let's go to nbc sports, soccer analyst, roger bennett. we're going to excise from the script, petro dollars. no use of the term petro dollars in today's reporting of man city's run. >> i was going to talk about pickle ball. you want to talk about the champions league? the champions league final, the super bowl of club football.

on paper, some mismatches, man city a gilded team, molded by abu dhabi. they hope to lift that thirty title of the season. a team meant to be like the boston generals, a patsy. it turned into a bar fight. inter had their chances, but failed. this is a game six that you'll have one chance. in the 68th minute city made them pay. they smelled the goal coming before it did. deflected shot. smoked the ball home like baby gronk.

88th minute, the ball hits the keeper. that was that. manchester city have a title to add to the english league. they're by some distance the best football team in the world. fairytale team with infinite funding. man city currently facing and denying 115 charges of financial misconduct. think about the unlv. go rebels. >> you just can't let them raise the trophy. you didn't say petro dollars. >> i'll let you say it, joe. you want to talk about messi? >> in a second.

man, they were pesky. they were tough and gave them a real fight for the first half, inter. >> yeah. they were meant to be turned inside out like an italian jay monaghan. they came for a bar fight. it was a magnificent game. no doubt, no doubt man city, as they have been for the last couple seasons are the best club team in world football. >> messi to miami. tell us about it. >> it's an incredible moment. it's going to redefine what it means to be florida. the best player in football. just delivered argentina the world cup triumph. the planet's most visible

billboard. moving to miami. it will be the best thing to happen to that city since scarface passed away. it will be a white hot heat to football in this nation. even mika will be mildly interested. >> nice to see you, roger. an amazing story out of columbia. four children, including a 1-year-old rescued after surviving a plane crash, spending a month deep inside the rain forest. plus, we'll talk about the right wing rhetoric that could lead to violent protests. "morning joe" is right back. "morning joe" is right back.

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past. yes, his adversaries have pursued him with phony claims. i've been at his side defending against them when he's a victim. this is different. he's not a victim here. he was totally wrong that he had the right to have those documents. those documents are among the most sensitive documents the country has. he had no right to retain them. he kept them in a way at mar-a-lago that anyone who really cares about national security their stomach would churn. we can't forget here that this entire thing came about because of reckless conduct of the

president. if he just turned over the document, which every other person in the country would have done, they're government property. they're not his records. >> former attorney general bill barr debunks all trump's claims about the classified documents case. welcome back to "morning joe." it's monday, june 12th. jonathan lemire is still with us. joining the conversation david rothcough and michael schmidt schmidt. >> david, i'll say something we haven't said often, but it seems that former attorney general barr agrees with you. this is not about documents. it's about national security. as barr said, this isn't even close. >> yeah.

that's absolutely right. you're right one two counts. one i never agreed with barr before and he's never agreed with me. this is a case about national security. you know, jack smith was very canny in the way he presented this in the indictment. of the 37 counts against trump, numbers 1 through 31 were mishandling of national defense information. he was putting it right upfront. this is about the nuclear secrets. this is about the war plans. this is about a man who put u.s. intelligence assets at risk, about a man who put allied intelligence assets at risk and about putting the people of the united states at risk. it's not political. it's not about mishandled documents or a mishap. it's about a danger being posed

to the united states by donald trump. >> jonathan, the very people who defended donald trump against impeachments, defended donald trump against alvin bragg's prosecution, not defending him now. look at the national review saying this is much worse than it looks. look at andrew mccarthy writing about how dangerous this is. bill barr saying, anybody -- i don't know how this is even debatable -- anybody that cares anything about national security would be horrified by how he just threw these documents around that were some of the most sensitive documents he could have taken, stolen from the white house. >> bill barr shapes the public perception of the mueller report. he did everything he could to help him. it's interesting how republicans

who criticized the manhattan d.a.'s prosecution realize this is different. national security is paramount. we can go through the list. this is as bad as it gets. it's about nuclear secrets, u.s.'s vulnerabilities. it could compromise intelligence agents and our allies overseas who may be now reluctant to share information with us. we don't know exactly what donald trump planned to do with these documents. doesn't matter. the possession itself was a crime. we saw he stored them in the ballrooms and bathrooms of mar-a-lago, which shows the blatant disregard for national security. >> mike, donald trump has a long history of not giving a damn about national security. his first meeting in the white house he's with the russian foreign minister and reveals national security secrets that put sources in danger.

>> that's true. it's a great moment in presidential history, is it not? in the first hours he's president of the united states he's giving secrets to the russian ambassador in the oval office. michael schmidt, you covered this tragedy for quite some time. i'm wondering what your thoughts are in one important element in this case and every criminal case, from stolen cars to the national security documents in mar-a-lago, the issue of intent. why do you figure republicans don't understand the issue of intent? they talk about biden has these secret document, hillary clinton had secret documents, but intent is key, is it not? >> you're implying that the facts here are what drives their behavior and their perspective. >> the intent is caught on tape. >> correct.

>> he said to his aid, i could have declassified it when i was president, but i can't declassify it now. >> when you look at that document, i don't think that intent is one of the soft spots of that material. what you saw in the reaction was a similar reaction that his base and his allies have had to other things where they immediately run to his defense, say outlandish, offensive and at times violent things about how they should respond to it and they sort of move forward. this has never been a base that was driven by the facts or by the law or by the reality of the moment. it was driven by the affinity to a party of one in trump. i don't ever think it was about the facts -- jack smith could have had an indictment two times stronger than this and it

wouldn't have made a difference. >> brian, that's what we've been sorting through this morning. you have a guy that sold nuclear secrets talking about war plans, talking about america's vulnerabilities, talking about the capabilities of other countries, the sort of things that were reserved for just key critical national security players and the u.s. government. he took them. he lied to the fbi. he didn't return them. >> wouldn't give them back. >> admitted on tape that he wasn't supposed to have them. admitted on tape that he couldn't declassify them. you name it, he admitted everything. it's all laid out there. yet, you have a portion of the republican public, including people running for president of the united states, who are saying this is must adieu about nothing. how much worse does it get? >> it's going to get a lot worse. they're going to excuse

everything. this is like an authoritarian cult of personality in which the person can do no wrong. one of the tools and tricks of authoritarian leaders, they're so divisive, so polarizing, they'll cause the base to do anything. think of how much lower of a standard we hold politicians to. donald trump would not get a job at any corporation in america. yet, he's running to be re-elected after egregiously showing he's unfit for the job. this aspect of democracy is something we need to fix if we're going to shore up our democracy from the threats like people like donald trump pose to it. >> michael, your latest piece in the "new york times," to brian's

point this is an article you co-wrote. it says the federal indictment of former president trump has unleashed a wave of calls by his supporters for violence, disturbing observers and raising concerns of a dangerous atmosphere. the calls to action and threats have been amplified on right wing media sites and have been met by supportive responses from social media uses and cheers from crowds. experts on political violence warn that attacks against people or institutions become more likely when elected officials or prominent media figures are able to issue threats or calls for violence with impunity. political violence experts say that, even if aggressive

language by high-profile individuals does not directly end in physical harm, it creates a dangerous atmosphere in which the idea of violence becomes more accepted, especially if such rhetoric is left unchecked. my god, how far back can we go in the trump presidency. let's start with charlottesville. >> you give example, an eye for an eye coming from a member of congress. you have kari lake talked about -- >> come and fight. >> again, you have a member of congress invoking violence. >> there was a conservative commentator who singled out if they could commit violence and it was legal what they would do to the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff mark milley, someone who trump perceives as an enemy, someone who was a

witness in a document investigation. >> said they would kill biden. >> when we took a look at this on saturday into sunday, i was shocked and surprised. i said we have to do something about this, we have to write about it. it's all we can do is call attention to it. i said -- we said to each other this is very similar to what communicate saw in the lead-up to january 6th. we talked to the lead investigators of january 6th. he said, people at the capitol said we showed up because donald trump told us to be there. the fact that there's little -- there's no deterrent to this type of behavior. they don't think twice about

doing because there's been no political or legal consequences for what they have done. >> david, again, you look at the violence that is running through donald trump's comments during the 2016 campaign, the violence he's looked past throughout his presidency which we saw at the first presidential debate where he tells the proud boys to stand back and stand by. saying go to d.c., things are going to be wild. we could go on and on. for his supporters it's one call to violence after another. >> that's right. that's why, you know, there are two pending extremely serious national security cases against donald trump. one is the one for which he'll be arraigned tomorrow. the other is also being investigated by jack smith and that's the january 6th case. donald trump is at the middle of an effort to lead an

insurrection against the united states government. our fbi director called white supremacy the most dangerous thing in the united states. he's using january 6th tactics against the guy investigating him for january 6th. how crazy is it? how is jack smith going to respond when he's got crowds of people assailing him. what's the message? >> brian, you have written about dictators, the authoritarian figures. we set the stage there as to what could theoretically happen tomorrow in miami or down the road with trump supporters rushing to his defense. how concerned are you? what parallels do you see?

what should we be bracing for? >> i'm extremely concerned. i'm concerned because you have 330 million people in the united states, but it doesn't take millions. january 6th was several thousand people. you only need to incite violence in a small portion of the country to produce dangerous effects. i'm in the uk. the former leader of scotland was arrested yesterday. france is prosecuting former heads of state. it doesn't lead to calls for sly violence. it doesn't lead to people saying it's a witch hunt. it's that powerful people comment crimes and democracy holding them accountable. the rhetoric like kari lake had talking about the nra members defending trump, this is going to get people killed. we'll get to a point where this

is going to be a flash point for political violence. that's not a country most americans want to live in. it's avoidable as long as it's dialed back and there's punishment for those amplifying this rhetoric within the party. >> again, this looks like a replay of january 6th. we'll see what happens tomorrow. they certainly, if nothing happens, it's not because trump's not trying. mike, brian brings up a great point. you've got people today talking about -- what about hunter biden? hunter biden. you know what happens if hunter biden gets indicted? hunter biden gets indicted. nobody is going to be talking about overthrowing the government. this is all they have. what about hunter biden? if he's indicted, he's indicted. if he's tried and convicted,

sentencing. not one democratic is going to call for the overthrowing of the federal government or the end of the doj or fbi. this is the go-to answer for republicans at every point, for trumpers. >> they're still talking about hillary clinton's papers. >> her emails. >> that's a century ago, but they're still talking about it. michael schmidt, i've been listening to this here. you hear it out in the country, the same conversation among certain people. why don't we cut to the chase in talking about what's going on here? why don't we put a target, the symbol for a target, a rifle target on the constitution of the united states? isn't that exactly what is going on? >> i mean, peter baker wrote about this over the weekend, about how the rule -- as much as trump is on trial, the rule of law in this country is on trial as well. not that we're questioning, you

know, the rule of law, but how will it stand up? how will the justice department's ability to prosecute someone stand up? i think if there's anything i've learned from all the different investigations of trump, it is extremely difficult to hold someone at that level accountable and even though we've gotten this far, i still think this is just, you know, maybe the fourth or fifth inning of the story in this because you have a judge in aileen cannon who might have this case. this is someone who was very favorable to trump early on in the investigation. that could present a whole new series of variables that make this more complicated, to have a pro trump judge overseeing his prosecution. there was attention given to that this weekend. i think that's a huge, huge deal. >> it's a challenge. >> there's just a lot more to go

here. >> yes, there is. by the way, instead of reading the parts of the indictment that might be of interest to him, here's republican senator lindsey graham playing the but hillary game. >> donald trump has said repeatedly that he did nothing wrong. do you believe that? >> well, here's what i believe, we live in an america if you're the democratic candidate for president, hillary clinton, secretary of state, you can set up a private server in your basement to conduct government business and when -- >> senator -- >> when an investigation is -- no. let me finish. >> you didn't answer the question. >> it's ridiculous. i'm trying to answer the question from a republican point of view. that may not be acceptable on this show. yes, i don't like what president trump did in certain aspects. i don't like that joe biden had classified information in the garage. i don't like that mike pence

carelessly took classified information. i don't like any of that. i don't like a system in america where the secretary of state who is a democratic candidate for president has people take a hammer to social media devices and break them apart, applying bleach to a hard drive to erase emails, allow classified information to get on a felon's computer. you haven't mentioned that. most republicans believe we live in a country where hillary clinton did similar things and nothing happened to her. president trump will have his date in court, but espionage charges are ridiculous. he did not commit espionage. he didn't provide information to a foreign power to damage this country. he's not a spy. he's overcharged. did he do things wrong?

yes, he may have. he'll be trialed. hillary clinton wasn't. your old boss committed perjury in a civil lawsuit, lost his law license, obstructed justice and he didn't get prosecuted. >> he was impeached. >> he was impeached, but he wasn't prosecuted. >> it's so pathetic. he threw everything -- that guy is unrecognizable from the guy that used to run around the senator and around the world with john mccain. john mccain flipped in his grave about 30 times there. senator mccain told me before he passed how sad and how disappointed he was with lindsey graham. couldn't believe he had stars in his eyes and was willing to do what he was willing to do to play golf with donald trump. you know, mike, it sounds

like -- not to sound like han solo, not to sound like luke skywalker, everything he said there was wrong, everything. everything he said there was wrong. first of all, biden -- i shouldn't even go through it. >> they're playing upon people's -- >> it's stupid. he said this is what republicans thing. this is what republicans thing because, lindsey graham, you lie to them all the time. >> all the time. >> donald trump and republicans lie about a stolen election. listen, a lot of americans believe it. why do americans believe it? people because like lindsey graham lie to them all the time. he did it. he said maybe what he did was bad. nuclear secrets? >> it was kind of bad. >> he's a champion of national security and he's fine with

donald trump taking national security secrets to his beach house and leaving them in the shower and leaving them in the bathroom, leaving them in open spaces regarding nuclear secrets, regarding america's vulnerabilities, regarding our allies. i mean, this is -- again, it's just -- you talk about the degrading of the republican party and lindsey graham personally there, it's sad and pathetic. i keep going back to what's worth that? what's worth that to try to excuse a former president as bill barr said, did things, if you cared anything about national security, would make your stomach churn? what is worth that to lindsey graham? >> lindsey graham fancies himself as one of the

forefronting people on national security. >> he's not. >> getting fact after fact after fact wrong about the hillary clinton investigations, but it's simply us versus them. it's partisan. it's tribal. they will throw away any shred of dignity and will throw away the truth to depend donald trump and raise money off. trump has had a blockbuster few days of raising money after this indictment. he has control over so many. >> look at what's in this indictment, that was an insane reaction. it's just stupid and foolish and insane. >> david rothkauff, if donald trump decided in 2015 he was going to hatch a plan to destroy the republican party, to degrade its leaders and to put the party in a permanent minority, he

could not have hatched or devised a more devious plan than what reality has shown us over the past eight years. >> of course donald trump never cared about the republican party. donald trump only cared about himself. a bunch of these other republicans, including lindsey graham, said this is the gravy train and i'm going to hop on it. lindsey graham has a problem of course, and i don't mean to disagree with mike schmidt, but i think we're only in the second inning of this. we've seen two sets of indictments on criminal issues. another one is liking to come in august from the fulton county grand jury and lindsey graham might find himself directly in the middle of that one. then we have january 6th. one thing we need to think about as we look to the future, we're halfway through a set of likely

four or more series of indictments and then we have all those trials. this is all going to be out there for the next year, for the next two years, new evidence, new reactions from trump and everything that you talk about that trump has done to the party is going to be amplified, it's going to become more corrosive. we're going to learn a lot from that process and more and more republicans will have their eyes open to the ride they've been taken on by this conman. >> speaking of january 6th, there was lindsey graham saying i'm out. >> off the trump train. >> he just can't do it. david, michael and brian, thank you all very much for your

insight this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll dig into the potential impact of a trump-appointed judge overseeing the trial. plus, an explosion causes a section of a major highway to collapse, cripping traffic in philadelphia. we'll have an updated on what's expected to close that main roadway between the east coast's two largest cities for months. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. j

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from a grand jury of citizens in the southern district of florida. i invite everyone to read it in full to understand the scope and gravity of the crimes charged. we have one set of laws in this country and they apply to everyone. >> let's bring in state attorney for palm beach county, florida, and former u.s. attorney chuck

rosenberg. chuck, i'll begin with you. first of all, having had the weekend to take in the indictment and every aspect of it, what do you think the most concerning part of it is? >> of course it's the retention, willful retention of highly classified information. what makes this case prosecutable, what puts mr. trump at so much risk are the obstruction of justice charges. prosecutors have to prove intent. when you obstruct the investigation, when you mislead your attorney and tell your attorney to mislead the fbi, that shows intent. had he just returned the stuff -- if you found the stuff like mr. pence or mr. biden and you cooperate with the fbi and turn everything over, there's no

criminal case. here, where you obstruct the underlying investigation, you demonstrate for the world and for a jury, mika, your intent. that's what makes the willful retention prosecutable in a court of law where i believe mr. trump will face justice. >> let me ask you, though, obviously a bizarre appointment for this judge, judge cannon. there are 15 different -- >> is she definitely the judge? >> that's the first thing i want to ask. is she definitely the judge when i -- listen, this is -- i looked it up last night because i don't have much of a life. mika thinks i'm a nerd. i want to read what the 11th circuit said about this woman's decision. to create a special exception would defy our nation's foundational principle that our law applies to all, regardless of numbers, wealth or rank.

the law is clear. we can't write a rule said the extreme conservative 11th circuit of what the judge tried to do before, that allowed any subject of a search to block government investigations after exception of the warrant. nor can we write a rule that allows former presidents to do so. it would be a radical reordering of our case law. it would violate bedrock separation of powers limitations. i mean, i could go on, chuck. >> why don't we let him. >> they basically say this woman just violated bedrock principles in the constitution to try to protect donald trump. it was one of the most scathing,

scathing, rulings i've ever seen, overturning a lower court's ruling. and this person's in charge of the case? does she stay in charge throughout the entire case? >> probably so, joe. the 11th circuit, i read their opinion too, was not gentle in their review of her actions. i read what she did and what they said about what she did, and they had it right. there's a big difference between a bad judge and unprincipled judge. i can't tell you i believe she's unprincipled. she may just be a bad judge. there are dentists that are really good. there are dentists that are awful. >> that doesn't make anyone feel better. >> you got the luck of the draw on this. the odds of this woman getting this with 15 -- come on, man. how did this woman of all women -- of all judges who, again, probably put down the

worst ruling, had the -- again, the 11th circuit, one of the most conservative circuits, how could that judge be assigned this? it seems far from luck of the draw. >> well, look, i don't know that it's anything but luck of the draw, joe. i don't know that. if it's something else, if it's something nefarious, that will come out. it always does. here's my larger point about bad judges and good judges. as a federal prosecutor, you live with the judge you get. some are very good at managing the case and the courtroom and their docket and some aren't. if your underlying facts are sound, if your theory of the case is sound, if you investigated the case properly, you're going to be okay. this is not going to turn on the judge i don't believe. i may be wrong about that. umpires make bad calls all the time. i understand we're not talking about baseball, but the best

team usually wins. >> certainly did last night, jonathan. >> 2 out of 3 this weekend. we don't have time to talk about that. dave aaronberg, the chief judge confirmed that judge cannon, this is her trial. it seems like it's a done deal. give us your thoughts on that. what will we see tomorrow in this historic moment when a former president of the united states appeared in the courthouse? >> jonathan, i want to show you the sheet where jack smith checked the box for the court decision. here he checked west palm beach. that's why judge cannon had a good chance of getting this. it wasn't 1 out of 15. it was 1 out of 4. there's no conspiracy here. i know the clerk of court down

there, ms. noble. she's honest. it's just bad luck. by the way, tomorrow the magistrate judge who will be dealing with the arraignment will be a miami judge, judge john goodman. it won't be judge cannon. john goodman is no relation to the actor on the tv show "roseanne." >> what is the magistrate going to do tomorrow? >> magistrate john goodman will just deal with it the same way everyone else. he'll take the plea for the arraignment. he'll set the terms of pretrial release and trump will go back to mar-a-lago. here's the thing, the department of justice had bad luck in getting judge cannon. i agree with chuck. she made some very controversial rulings, but she was also

publicly humiliated by the 11th circuit. they smacked down her rulings and took her off the case. two of those three judges were trump appointees. you have to believe she was chasened and maybe will rule differently. she went out of her way to intervene in a case she shouldn't have. if she goes out of bounds, expect jack smith to go to the 11th circuit to get her removed. i don't think it's going to happen. coming up, our next guest says republicans have their best opportunity to be released from the pull of trump. that's straight ahead on "morning joe."

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♪♪ ♪♪ so cool. that is just some of the opening number from last night's 76th annual tony awards held in new york city. the show's host arianna dubose started with how things would be different due to the ongoing

writers strike. very different, no script. >> they did it, as we saw in the very opening. there was no script to be had. they stuck to that and pointed out there were no teleprompters last night. and it worked. >> it was all improv. >> it was, yeah. at one point arianna was doing an intro and she forgot who she was introing. she hid written down on her arm. >> wow. let's talk some of the big wins. there was also some history made, some nonbinary actors. >> yes.

alex newell for "shucked." >> the voice. >> incredible. they showcased their amazing performance last night in a clip from "shucked." here alex thanking their mom for all the support over the years. it was really hot in the theater, so alex said i'm going to keep it short and brief. and j. harrison ghee gave a beautiful speech about representation and why that is so important. >> kimberly akimbo was the best new musical. >> there are so many good ones out there now. this is the time to go to broadway. >> we keep saying this is the biggest commercial for broadway.

kimberly akimbo, a little show that could and did. it was struggling at the box office, but hopefully this will give it a little boost. she is a two-time tony award winner this morning. >> i'm one people to see shawn haze as oscar levant. he was astounding and he won. >> he acts, he sings, but also he plays the piano. that final moment where he's playing gershwin is unbelievable.

>> we were joined by a number of the artists who took home tonys. take a look. >> i get to go on this arc of expanding the human being that i am and i hope to encourage and inspire that in audience members who come to see us and have a good time and infuse a little joy into their lives. >> for every trans, nonbinary, gender nonconforming human who was told you couldn't be seen, this is for you. >> i just enjoyed why not swing for the fences. if it worked, great. if it didn't, great. it's a win-win for me just to try to do something i'd never done before. >> oh my gosh. this has got to be the first time an oscar won a tony. i'm shaking. this is so surreal.

>> this was enormous event. i'm teeming with emotions which a chat box wouldn't begin to understand. >> we hear the words fortunately and unfortunately. unfortunately we are living in a world where what we are seeing on stage is happening in the world and there is a louder, more present threat to people in our country. >> so keep raising your voices, standing up against intolerance of any kind, anywhere you see it. keep loving and uplifting each other, continue making challenging art and vote every chance you get. >> you're putting so much life and love into a story that's kind of mirroring my own. it's lovely. to have that reaction, it's crazy. >> thank you for seeing me, broadway.

i should not be up here as a queer, nonbinary, fat, black little baby from massachusetts. >> we have some crazy people in the show. we have some very sweet moments in the show. i think everybody sees themselves. >> i was so sure i knew who i was and who i wasn't and you proved me completely wrong. >> tony awards happening in this political moment. talk a little bit about the energy of the show, the power of theater for us as we go through what we're going through now as a nation. >> you saw it. people saying get out and vote or people saying representation matters. these are things we're seeing in the headlines. there are shows that deal with

anti-semitism. it's art imiting life. >> thank you so much. we have to get back to the grim news we're covering these days. so we are a few minutes into the fourth hour of "morning joe." 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. on the east. former president trump is scheduled to appear in a miami courtroom tomorrow following his indictment in the mar-a-lago documents investigation. he's set to depart from bedminster, new jersey and arrive in miami. >> reporter: security ramping up outside the miami federal courthouse, with preparations under way for tomorrow's arraignment for the highest profile criminal defendant in history, former president trump. mr. trump raging against what he calls his politicized prosecution. >> this vicious persecution is a

travesty of justice. biden is trying to jail his leading political opponent. >> reporter: and the man leading it, special counsel jack smith. >> you have this maniac. i call him a deranged person, jack smith. >> reporter: smith has said no one is above the law. >> we have one set of laws in this country, and they apply to everyone. >> reporter: law enforcement officials say they're concerned mr. trump's rhetoric heightened the risk but there is no evidence on social media of january 6th style planning for violence. mr. trump urging supporters. >> they have to go out and protest peacefully. >> reporter: the indictment accuses mr. trump of illegally taking classified national security documents with him to mar-a-lago when he left the white house, storing them in unsecured boxes in a bathroom and on a ballroom stage, sometimes showing them off, then

even after receiving a subpoena from the fbi, conspireing to hide them. the documents include weapons capabilities of the u.s. and other countries. trump also lashing out at bill barr, who said the charges are serious. >> if even half of it is true, he's toast. it's very damning. >> the former president calling his former attorney general a, quote, gutless pig on social media. for now, republican allies and rivals are largely standing by the party's 2024 presidential frontrunner. >> you can't have one faction of society weaponizing the power of the state against factions that it doesn't like. >> nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken delanian is live for us outside the federal courthouse in miami,

where security preps are ramping up ahead of tomorrow's arraignment for the former president. what can we expect tomorrow? >> reporter: barricades are starting to go up around this courthouse. there's two threats they're concerned about. obviously mass protests that could turn violent, january 6th-style activity. there's no evidence right now there's planning for violence on that level. but there's the lone wolf aspect that is so unpredictable. we've seen lone people driving up to this courthouse with trump flags over the last few days. and with trump supporters calling this a war, trump himself calling it corrupt, law enforcement sources are really concerned about that aspect. i spoke to a former fbi sniper. he explained how local, state and federal agencies would be gathering intelligence about that.

how do the marshals and other agencies protect from potential lone wolf extremists? >> we've learned from a lot of things happening. this is a very historic case. they're going to be monitoring online, passing intel, the fbi, miami police, u.s. marshals, everybody is monitoring. >> reporter: in terms of how tomorrow is going to go, it's first a surrender and then a first appearance in court. donald trump is going to enter the courthouse through an underground passageway and be processed, including fingerprinting, a mug shot. then he'll go into court for his first appearance. it's up in the air if the prosecution will request a judge confiscate his passports. he needs local counsel for an arraignment to go forward.

it's not clear he's gotten anyone to represent him down here after some of his lawyers left last week. i know of one prominent miami defense attorney that turned him down. if an arraignment does go forward, we expect him to plead not guilty. then the judge would discuss what, if any, conditions will be imposed upon him. >> do we know of any representation he has right now in this case? >> reporter: todd blanch, who represented him in the new york case, they announced he is moving over to this case. but i'm told he needs somebody who practices down here, and i'm not aware he has secured that representation yet. >> ken, what are the rules, if any, for media coverage of this? how close are they going to be able to get to the former president? do we know what rules have been

established? >> reporter: i don't think that's all been ironed out yet, mike. we were told this would be held in the largest courtroom in this courthouse behind me, and they are trying to accommodate media. they do allow us, once you get pre-cleared, to bring in electronic devices. there will be no cameras, of course. my plan is to be in the courtroom. i'm very interested in your question as well. i'm trying to learn exactly the answer to it, mike. >> justice and intelligence correspondent ken delanian, keep us posted. thank you very much for your reporting so far on this. we just heard a bit of what florida governor desantis just had to say about the indictment. here's a little more from desantis at the north carolina gop convention this weekend and also former vice president mike pence at the same event. >> when i was in congress, i remember hillary had the

e-mails. my view was, gee, as a naval officer if i would have taken classified to my apartment, i would have been court martialed in a new york minute. yet they seem to not care about that. is there a different standard for a democrat secretary of state versus a former republican president? i think there needs to be one standard of justice, enforce it on everybody and make sure they know the rules. >> a former president of the united states facing an unprecedented indictment by a justice department run by the current president of the united states and a potential political rival. we as republicans know no one is above the law, but after years of politicization that i lived through when i was your vice president, i'm deeply troubled to see this indictment move

forward. the capacity to further divide our country at a time when the american people are struggling as never before and at a time when the world is becoming almost more dangerous by the hour. >> yeah. meanwhile, republican governor chris sununu of new hampshire, who announced last week he will not run for his party's nomination, says the gop hopefuls are playing things all wrong. >> i'm actually a little surprised the other candidates running against him for president are not more aggressive about calling it what it is. it's a huge problem. it's a huge problem for the republican party. once again, the former president is a terrible message bearer for the republican party and is scaring independents away. >> does it surprise you that others haven't been vocal about this? >> yes. you're down 40 points in the polls. i don't know why.

they're running against him. when you're running in a race, you're trying to knock him down. given all the things in the rap sheet that is a mile long, you'd think they'd be more aggressive. i get it. they're trying to focus on problems around doj. there are real problems there. that place needs an overhaul, no question. but let's focus on the facts at hand. you're running against a guy with 37 indictments against him. you almost look like you're defending him. that does not look like a serious candidate that's willing to take him on. either you want to run for president and beat the guy or you don't. >> he happens to be a threat to our national security, a fascist, a cruel person, to say the least. it started and ended with this presidency every step of the way. i could do a four-hour show and not go through everything that he has done that has damaged and

pushed against our democratic values or damaged our democracy straight up. these republican candidates, they have an opportunity here to do the right thing and say the right thing and also possibly win their primary against donald trump if they get rid of him. honestly, our country does not need any more of donald trump than it already has. take a look at the indictment and the fealty these republicans have to their fascist leader. they're so scared of him, they are so incapable of saying he's done anything wrong. honestly, right now at this point, can you really say that with a straight face, lindsey graham? can you say that with a straight face, any of these candidates ron desantis, whatever your name is? just be honest for once. do the right thing for the country. don't be so desensitized that

you don't know the difference between right and wrong. joining us, we have special correspondent of vanity fair molly john bass and staff writer for "the atlantic" david frum. you write, the conservative world in the age of trump has coiled itself into a labyrinth of lies about trump's victimhood, lies about trump's popularity, lies about trump's election outcomes, lies about trump's mental acuity and physical strength. the architects of the labyrinth presumed they could always, if necessary, find an exit and their keys could somehow turn the exits' locks. instead, they have found themselves as locked in the labyrinth. they have failed to take each opportunity to escape.

the first impeachment, the november 2020 defeat, the january 6th crimes, the second impeachment, the end of the administration, the 2022 wipeout of swing state election-denying candidates, the first indictment, and now the second indictment. and how about the sexual abuse liability? the big post trump choice for conservatives is whether they rejoin the mainstream of american life or wander ever further away from it toward outright rejection of democracy? we all fail if you fail, republicans, and you are failing america in a big way. david, tell us more about your piece. how do we find our way out of this, what is looking like another traumatic period for this country, an inflection point for this democracy? >> when you listen to people like the governor of florida, the former vice president talk, who are running against former president trump and defending him, you're watching outrage that is as sincere as the grief at a mafia funeral.

they are all running for second. if you run for second, you finish third. none of them are acting like they want the top job. they are signalled to their copartisans that the law is not to be trusted. the thing former vice president pence was saying about how the department of justice went astray. they're giving permission to people to be completely alienated from law, as previous they allowed them to be completely alienated from elections. they're going to turn them into this resentful minority like the white south after the civil war. >> you talk about the consequences that they are afraid of if they cross donald

trump. can you talk a little bit about the consequences if these republican leaders continue, the candidates, the leaders in congress, members of the media, if i may, where they are acting, as you said, just like at the funeral of a mob boss. >> ex-president trump has incited violence against the wife of the special prosecutor, making her identifiable and then saying she's going to need luck if her husband opposes donald trump or prosecutes him. trump has been calling for mobilization at the miami courthouse. so we could see violence again. that is clearly something he wants. it may or may not happen, but it's something he wants, something he invites. it's something his co-partisans are going to have to find a way to excuse or deny or defend.

none of these candidates running for 2024 have much to say about regulatory structures, the level of taxation or how to modernize the military or proper criticisms of the biden administration, like what happened in afghanistan. there's a lot to talk about if you're a republican running in 2024, inflation, crime, urban disorder. instead, they are acquiescing. as trump said, what defines us as republicans is we are outside the law and we don't respect elections. what kind of definition is that? >> it's undoubtedly a dangerous moment. there's no sense of a wide scale protest planned for the courthouse in miami, but florida is an open carry state. it doesn't take a big leap to imagine something going terribly wrong tomorrow. the former president has been on truth social all weekend calling for supporters to fight,

suggesting this is the witch hunt and stirring up anger from his base that we know will follow him blindly. >> we have to take it seriously. this is sort of republicans' default. whenever you displease them, they're like we're going to go to civil war. that, i think, may hurt them. remember, a lot of these people have actually ended up in jail from january 6th, the people on the bottom. it's the people on the top who incited the violence who have not. so i think it's definitely scary, but i do think that our police are able and there is infrastructure to prevent this from happening. >> i appreciate the way we're describing the context and, david, this is to you about the choice facing these republicans. what makes you think they will actually make a choice that you've described in terms of the behavior we've seen over the last eight years?

could it very well be the case that people have showed us who they are and we should believe them? >> there are precedents here in american history. in the 40 years after the civil war, the democratic party, which was dominated by the defeated part of the country, retreated from even seriously contesting national elections. they said if we can control our domain, we are going to basically withdraw from being a competitive national party. that is one of the real dangers here. back then, the deal was also if we can use private violence or state violence in our part of the country, then you can run the majority of the country the way you want. i worry that may be something that we are seeing. we need a two-party system. the rules of the game require it to be a two-party system. if we see in states like california and new york what happens when one party withers and dies, important questions

don't get discussed at all. you get these festering scandals that are not cleaned out by party competition. if that's the fate of the nation, that's dangerous. in the meantime, we have a party refusing to talk about real issues that affect people's lives. they tell people you don't have to obey the law and the law doesn't apply to you, whenever it does, you're a victim and elections are rigged against us. when we lose, it's not because we didn't say something useful. we lose because there's been some cosmic injustice. >> this is going to be a long legal process ahead. it will be interesting to see who shows up by donald trump's side tomorrow as representation in florida. and also he probably will continue his run for the presidency throughout all of this. what are you looking for tomorrow and in the days to come? >> i feel like we're at the

point of the story where they've elected the party of the leopards that eat your face and now you're watching the republicans eat your face. they know this candidate can't win a general. they're stuck with him in the primary. they keep doubling down. you have one or two people trying to say this is wrong, but most of them are on board. we're just watching the republican party destroy itself. >> thank you both very much for your inputs. some business headlines now ahead of the opening bell, the swiss bank ubs is announcing it completed the takeover of its former rival credit suisse months after heavy losses at credit suisse, leading the swiss banking system to the edge of destabilization. let's bring in andrew ross

sorkin. you spoke with the ceo of ubs this morning. what did you learn? >> this would be the equivalent of maybe merging jp morgan and bank of america together here in the united states. of course, this came after we saw what happened in switzerland. this is a national merger of two of the largest, most storied banks there. big questions as to whether it's going to work. as you might imagine, huge culture clashes. it's a larger question as to whether or not the banking system around the world is broken. that's probably the central question. in an age when money can walk out the door digitally in minutes, what does that say about banking? there's a big question there. that's not the only big bank news this morning. the other big bank news has to do with jeffrey epstein and jp

morgan. lots of focus on that this morning. that bank making a settlement deal with some of the victims involved in having transferred money and done business with jeffrey epstein after they knew about his transgressions. he had had already been guilty for years and they still did business with him for many, many, many years. for them, trying to put this behind them and get out of the headlines. i imagine there's going to be all sorts of continuing lawsuits not necessarily related to jp morgan, but others that have involvement with jp morgan. >> was it a large settlement? >> unclear. we don't know the terms of the settlement just yet. for a very long time it appeared that jp morgan was trying to

fight this, including depositions the ceo participated in. jeff stehley lost his job over this. there's lots of back and forth. when you get into some of the e-mails and text messages about what they knew, how much they knew, including being on the island potentially in hot tubs being on the island, unfortunate is maybe the polite way to describe some of the activity. >> who? >> excuse me? >> who in the hot tub on the island? >> well, unclear if there were other people in the hot tub, but back then one of the bankers from jp morgan had been on the island and texted that he was texting from said location.

>> andrew ross sorkin, thank you so much. coming up on "morning joe," a fiery crash causes a section of a major highway to collapse. we'll have an update on the state of i-95 in philadelphia. plus, an amazing rescue in the amazon. four kids, including an infant, are recovering after spending 40 days alone in the jungle. that story is just ahead on "morning joe." mamá, growing up... you were so good to me. you worked hard to save for my future. so now... i want to thank you. i started investing with vanguard to help take care of you, like you took care of me. te quiero, mamá. only at vanguard you're more than just an investor you're an owner. helping you take care of the ones you love. that's the value of ownership.

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soon after >> reporter: a disastrous scene of buckled concrete and steel on i-95. >> something is ignited. >> reporter: after this elevated northbound section of highway completely collapsed early sunday when authorities say a tanker carrying 8500 gallons of a petroleum-based product burst into flames below. drivers navigate through massive plumes of smoke billowing into the sky. fire rescue teams rush to the scene and the highway shutting down in both directions. >> we had a lot of heat and heavy fire under the underpass. >> reporter: the northbound lanes began to buckle. >> i hit a bump, went down. my son went on the phone and saw that right where we were, it collapsed. you know, i started counting my lucky stars at that moment. i couldn't believe it. >> reporter: there are no reported injuries or deaths from

the terrifying incident, though at least one vehicle remains trapped under the roadway. authorities are still investigating the cause and have not released details on the truck's owner or driver. i-95 runs from florida all the way up to maine. this heavily-trafficked section typically carries 160,000 vehicles a day. repairs will begin immediately, but could take months. >> the secretary of transportation pete buttigieg has made it clear that whatever resources would be needed to rebuild i-95 would be provided to us. up next, the miraculous story of four young children who survived a plane crash and 40 days alone in the amazon jungle. "morning joe" will be right back. "morning joe" will be right back

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the grandmother of the four children who were missing for 40 days in the amazon jungle after a plane crash has shared new information about how the children were able to survive. nbc news foreign correspondent molly hunter. >> reporter: this morning, new video shows the moment rescuers found four young siblings deep in the amazon jungle, the eldest 13, the youngest just a year old, the kids looking emaciated but alive. for 40 days rescuers had been scouring the forest. it was called operation hope. finally, over the weekend colombian special forces evacuated them to bogota. colombia's president saying, our children were taken care of by

the jungle. the children, members of an indigenous tribe, had been living off the forest since their cessna plane went down on may 1st. along with their mother, they had been flying from a remote amazon community to a small city when the pilot reported engine failure. when rescuers arrived at the scene, they found four adult bodies, but not the children. their grandmother says leslie, the eldest child, had always taken care of her youngest siblings and would have known exactly what was safe to eat. early this morning hoda and savannah speaking to the commander of the operation. >> to think there was a 13-year-old and a little baby who turned 1 while in the jungle, you dropped food and had a loudspeaker with their grandmother's voice asking them to stay where they were, not to keep walking around, did that help you in finding them.

>> we are not sure in this moment if they used the food to maintain and survive. >> we are so amazed by you and your team and above all these children. we heard that the family was so grateful to you, sir, that you were named as a godfather for the baby. >> that is true. that is an honor for me to be a good father. i feel it is amazing. i only have one kid, but for me i have in this moment two, the girl and my boy. >> telemundo has been covering the story. >> they live in a small

community in the middle of the jungle, so they are used to the jungle. they know what to eat. they know about the jungle. >> there was edible flower found in the wreckage and there was fruit half eaten along with a baby bottle left behind, all clues to the young survivors. their grateful father telling reporters we believe in the jungle, calling their rescue a miracle of god. now they're recovering in the hospital, weak, though speaking. >> what an incredible story. i can't even imagine it, especially the baby. >> apparently from what's been reported thus far, they were so

afraid of being in the jungle for so long a period of time that they were actually hiding from their rescuers. the rescuers finally had to get the grandmother's voice on tape and say, please just stay where you are, stop running. >> it's almost impossible that they survived. >> 40 days. such great news that even the director of the hospital says they look like they're on the road to recovery. >> miracle. coming up, a new comedy that turns the horror movie genre on its head. one of the stars of the new film, actor germane fowler joins the table to explain next on "morning joe." e table to explain "morning joe." ♪

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>> whoa. >> save morgan. refuse to play, and she dies. >> i think we have to play the game. >> in your predicament, a black character is always the first today. sacrifice the person you deem the blackest. >> the blackest? >> you have two minutes to decide. >> you can't pick me. >> i'm not the blackest. >> prove it! >> i've never seen "friday." >> i voted for trump. >> what? >> twice. >> that is a clip of the trailer for the new film "the blackening." the movie centers around a group of black friends who reunite for a weekend get away, only to find themselves trapped in a remote cabin with a killer. the film skewers a seemingly

common trope in horror films, posing the question, quote, if the entire cast of a horror movie is black, who dies first? joining us now, actor jermaine fowler, who plays clifton in the film. this is terrible. it's really funny too. >> i think it's hilarious. >> tell us about it. >> i've seen the movie about four times. it gets funnier every time. we premiered it in toronto. just a thousand people laughing so hard. the next screening they kind of had to turn up the volume in a couple parts so we can hear them because it was so raucous. it was gorgeous, man. that was a lovely experience. >> tell us about clifton. >> clifton is a bit of a nerd, bit of an outcast. he wants to be accepted by his black friends. he's kind of, you know, a bit of

an aloof in a way, never accepted by the core group. he's just a fly on the wall amongst the rest of the cast. >> he voted for trump twice, though. >> he did. it's stunning. it's hilarious. it seems to be something you're trying to get at as how we understand blackness. talk to me about what may be at the heart of the humor? >> first and foremost, it's a funny movie. go see the film. each character plays a different layer or they're part of a different spectrum of blackness. you have a biracial girl, a brother from africa. you got me, who's like the black nerd. blackness isn't just one thing. we're all different. that's kind of what we embrace

in the film. >> take a look. in the film, the characters are asked to choose who is the blackest among them, and that person must die. here's a clip of the group trying to figure that out. >> someone has to get picked. >> i know you're not trying to argue about who should be the blackest. >> why? >> you are a literal african. >> i'm sorry, but you're the blackest. >> first of all, i'm from oakland. my daddy is from africa. >> oh my god. >> we should note the film premiers at the famed apollo theater. >> it's wonderful. i grew up watching show time at the apollo, so this makes me nervous. i hope they like the movie. it's going to be awesome. i can't wait.

>> i have a quick question for you. one of the most important fundamentals of making a movie is the pitch when you go in. what was the pitch like for this show? >> was it you? >> my manager just sent me the script. i fell in love with the script. she was like, you got to play clifton. i was like damn, who wants to play clifton? then you unveil his character, where he's coming from, it really excited me. everyone killed it. it was an easy project to do. >> you know it's good when it comes easy. congratulations. easy. congratulations and enjoy the apollo. manufacture the blackening" opens this friday. jermaine fowler, thank you for coming up. newspapers across the country including a new warning from the fbi about artificial intelligence. "morning joe" will be right

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has seen an uptick in reports of photos and videos being altered into explicit content and posted online. the fbi now recommends people limit the amount of information they post online. "the journal star" reports illinois will receive more than $500 million as part of a multistate opioid lawsuit settlement. drugmakers along with pharmacies cvs and walgreens have agreed to pay a total of $17.3 billion. under the agreement, the drugmakers will stop marketing their opioid products and will create a system to prevent misuse. the pharmacies will also require stores to monitor, report and share data on suspicious activity. that does it for us this morning. big day tomorrow. we'll be here 6:00 to 10:00 a.m.

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