and colleague, katy tur. >> good to be with you. donald trump as you can see has just landed in florida, at miami international airport. this is ahead of his federal arraignment tomorrow. security in front of the miami courthouse where he will be arraigned is already tight, and it will be even tighter tomorrow. just as security is at that airport. officials are preparing for what could be a volatile scene. but there are still questions about what will actually happen inside the courthouse. donald trump is still not with a local counsel in florida. it doesn't have a local lawyer. one source is telling nbc news, at least one prominent miami-based attorney has turned him down, and while he still can be booked without a local lawyer, donald trump might not be arraigned. we're going to explain what that means in a moment. we'll also go through the defenses that are being put out there. over the weekend, republicans both in the 2024 race and within

congress came out forcefully on the side of the former president. they claimed others who did the same thing were let off or given a slap on the wrist. we're going to lay out the facts of those cases that they continue to cite to let you compare and contrast for yourself. but as for bill bar, donald trump's attorney general who helped shield him from trouble after the mueller investigation, there's no comparison. we're going to play that sound byte while we also watch this plane for donald trump to disembark. let's listen first. >> there are two big lies, i think, that are out there right now. one is, oh, these other presidents took all of these documents. those were situations where they arranged with the archives to set up special space under the management, control, and security provided by the archivist to temporarily put documents into the libraries were ready. these were not people just

putting them in their basement. okay. and the second thing that the president, the idea that the president has complete authority to declare any document personal is obvious, it's ridiculous. that opinion had to do with the distinction between official records, which are records prepared by government agencies for the purpose of government action and personal documents as opposed to official documents, which are things prepared by the president, such as a diary or notes, which are not used in the government's deliberations. and, yes, as to the second class, stuff that the president himself generates. the president has some discretion. but these are official documents. it's inarguable. the president's daily brief provided by the intelligence community is not donald j. trump's personal document, period. >> again, this is attorney general bill barr speaking on fox news, the man who released a

summary of the mueller report saying donald trump did nothing wrong, when in fact the mueller report revealed a whole lot more. this is bill barr on fox news saying the cases that republicans are citing saying what about them, are no comparison. we're going to lay out the cases so you can see the facts in just a moment. we are again watching to see donald trump disembark from the plane. joining me outside the federal courthouse in miami where donald trump will be arraigned tomorrow, is garrett haake and justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. ken, the issue with the lawyers, why would that hold up an arraignment? >> reporter: just because i'm told that you need local counsel admitted to practice in the southern district of florida here to proceed with an arraignment, and we don't know for a fact. we don't have access to what's going on right at this moment behind the scenes in trump world, but as of a few hours ago

there was no evidence that donald trump had local counsel, and as you mentioned at the top, i was told that at least one prominent miami defense attorney turned down an offer to represent donald trump and they were continuing to interview people, and it was up in the air as to whether the arraignment portion of the proceedings can go forward. the first appearance, the surrender and first appearance will happen, but the issue with the arraignment is you need local counsel. what's puzzling is there are some people, who are florida lawyers, who we thought were working for donald trump. it's a little bit up in the air, and unclear right now what the problem is. but i am told by reliable sources that it's still unclear that the arraignment portion can go forward. >> we're watching as a number of the aides come off the plane. i noticed boris epshteyn who's donald trump's lawyer in the new york state case, the bill barr case, i'm sorry, the alvin bragg case, excuse me, also one of donald trump's confidants. he just got off the plane.

we'll see who else disembarks. garrett, let's talk about how the president has been reacted to all of this. over the weekend, he held some rallies. what happened? >> reporter: the former president has been on a tear here going after this investigation as one that he sees as political. he's accused joe biden of coming after him personally, and attacked jack smith as deranged, even gone after smith's wife as a trump hater. he has been ramping up the rhetoric day after day, even to the point of today posting on truth social, if he's reelected he would appoint a special prosecutor to go after joe biden, setting aside the fact that the president of the united states doesn't have the authority to appoint a legal prosecutor, taking the latest legal challenge and turn it into an opportunity for his campaign. he's got effectively most of the republican party singing from his hymnal on this, forced to, in their views, apparently, to

defend the justice department of a democratic president or their republican former president, they're largely choosing him, everyone from ron desantis to tim scott, to the speaker of the house today, largely following along with trump's framing of this case as purely political. katy. >> he's also talking about bill barr after bill barr made those comments over the weekend. what's he saying about his former ag? >> reporter: he's got nothing but nasty words for him, and doesn't engage at all in the substance barr is saying. in one truth social post he called him a gutless pig, and doesn't speak to the argument that barr as the top law enforcement officer of the united states is making. another case of someone who once worked for the former president who while not in his employ, turned into a complete moron. it goes the came way with former

trump employees. we're seeing the same playbook with bill barr who has turned critical in his legal analysis of the charges against his former boss. >> ken, have we heard anything from doj since jack smith came out on friday? >> reporter: we have not, katy, and they're staying far away from it. this is jack smith's show. his staff members are here on the ground in miami. but they're not saying anything right now. i just wanted to point out that bill barr in this clip that you played, that was the most cogent narrative i have heard demolishing the presidential records act defense that we are hearing so often from trump supporters. and it's just so inapplicable here, and i have never heard anyone put it so eloquently as bill barr, which is a remarkable thing. >> what about security? we talked about how miami is stepping up their security. we saw incredible security, and you were there, you saw this personally, down in lower manhattan when donald trump was first arraigned on those state charges.

what's security like down in florida? >> reporter: well, i can tell you the visible security here in miami doesn't appear to be as tight as what we saw in new york city. now, granted there's still another day to go. i just came from a press conference with miami's mayor, and chief of police assuring people they will be prepared for large scale protests if those come about. i can tell you, i have not seen a single protester, not one, arriving here since saturday night, pro or against donald trump, although there's been some posting online. the city's police chief says they have seen no specific threats against this courthouse. i'll add that most federal courthouses, particularly newer ones, built after the oklahoma city bombing tend to be some of the most secure buildings in the country. this courthouse is no exception. one way in on the street level. underlevel garage, you know, wide kind of perimeter around here, protected by the u.s. marshals, of course, who handle most federal defendants, and then the secret service who will be assisting in handling this

one. >> and there's donald trump right now. garrett, as we watch this, have you seen trump supporters at the courthouse ahead of this? any action there? >> i have seen maybe one or two people in trump hats wander by, but, you know, this is miami. there's all kinds of folks here. i have not seen anything like a protest in any form since i got here on saturday night, katy. >> donald trump is in his motorcade, they're going to drive from the international airport to doral, next time we see him will likely be tomorrow, maybe, garrett haake, ken dilanian, thank you very much. coming up, those three examples where donald trump is being defended, why wasn't this person charged, why wasn't that person charged, what are they, we'll explain. and some are asking what senate leadership thinks, and

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february did not turn up anything more. again, though, it is still being investigated. two, hillary clinton's e-mails, you have heard this a lot. during her time as secretary of state, clinton relied on a personal e-mail system to conduct official government business, which led to classified information being shared on a non-classified server. clinton's attorneys reviewed more than 60,000 e-mails and turned over more than 30,000 they found related to her duties. the fbi discovered that more than 100 of those e-mails contained classified and top secret information but were not classified in the traditional sense with extensive markings and acronyms. the fbi closed the case in july of 2016 and briefly reopened it the days before the 2016 election when they found mails on anthony weiner's computer. no charges were brought, and hillary clinton lost the 2016 election to donald trump who relied heavily on accusing her of mishandling government secrets, and finally, tapes

stashed in former president bill clinton's sock drawer, his tor branch, he designated as personal records, allegedly keeping them in a sock drawer. in 2012, the right wing nonprofit journal watch sued for access, arguing they were misdesignated and were presidential records. the trial judge, amy burrman jackson ruled she had no jurisdiction. discretional authority on the archivist, under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the president. joining me now, former federal prosecutor and member of donald trump's legal team during his first impeachment, robert ray, and former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, barbara

mcquade. all right, so that last argument about clinton's sock drawer i think is perhaps the most interesting here, tom fitton, the head of judicial watch told reuters he went into the special counsel's grand jury, jack smith's grand jury in d.c. to explain why he thought under that ruling from amy berman jackson made it so that donald trump didn't do anything wrong, that he could declassify anything, he had the right to anything under that ruling from her. what do you think of that argument? is it likely one we're going to hear in donald trump's defense? >> you're not only going to get me down into the weeds, you're going to get me down into the sock drawer, apparently? >> we hear it a lot. it's worth going through it. i have heard this over and over again. >> it's difficult to sort out. i don't want to try to make something complicated that should be simple. but the presidential records act came in after watergate. there's a great amount of respect that is afforded the president of the united states

in a separation of powers battle between congress and the president over things like records, which ordinarily would be and had been in the exclusive prerogative of the president and former presidents. congress didn't regulate, didn't touch it. that was seen as the bailiwick of the executive department and the president of the united states. we regulate. congress has decided to step in. not clear, because it's never been tested, whether lots of aspects of the statute are constitutional because they may be a constitutional overreach. putting that aside, and then the question is how does that act work? while the president is president, the management and control of his documents resides exclusively with the president. once he leaves office, the presidential records act has this provision that makes it clear that custody and legal authority over those documents immediately transfers to the

national archives. but everybody understands there's a period of time, once the president leaves office before those documents actually make their way to the archives and one of the problems that we have experienced with apparently a number of people is that things make their way there much too slowly, and a lot of this is a mess, hence these other cases, joe biden, mike pence, donald trump, bill clinton, even barack obama, okay, so all of them have sort of struggled with where do my records go once i leave office, and how do they make their way to the presidential library, and what documents get sorted out. in the sorting out process, there's another principle involved, and that is that the president -- the former president and the president exercise the sort of stuff that judge jackson was referring to about the discretionary authority that resides exclusively with the president to sort of decide what falls into the category of presidential records, personal

records and so forth. >> yeah. >> and now bill barr has also made the point that it's one thing to talk about personal records that the president creates. >> like recordings. >> right. >> and it's another thing to talk about quote unquote, governmental records that are things that the president sees but were not created by him, and they were created in the ordinary course of the government's business, and he may see that as simple. it's not quite that simple. >> how do you see it? is that the distinguishing factor that this is not -- i mean, when you're talking about bill clinton, you're talking about audio recordings. when you're talking about donald trump, you're talking about classified documents prepared by the government, and oh, also, you're talking about not just, oh, can we have them back, but a year-long of stalling and misdirection, and not being faithful about what donald trump had or did not have, according to that indictment that we read on friday? >> i think it's quite simple. i think the documents that bill clinton had, the recordings, were his musings, his memoirs,

his diary. they were things he created for himself for posterity. the things that donald trump has retained were documented created by the cia as listed in the indictment, the director of national intention, nsa, and other intelligence agencies. these belong to the people of the united states of america. those are very different types of categories, and we heard about, maybe there's a gray area, sometimes documents end up in boxes in the few days after the president leaves the white house, yes, and that's understandable, that's how they ended up in joe biden's garage, and in some of these other instances, mike pence, but with donald trump, as we see detailed in that indictment, over the course of 18 months, he is going back and forth to conceal what he has. he's moving boxes to avoid their detection. he's lying even to his own lawyer so that they can certify a false document to say to the government that they have all been returned. and it's not complicated whatsoever to distinguish the donald trump case from these other cases. >> is he going to have a hard

time finding a lawyer down there in florida. does he need a lawyer or is todd blanche going to make a motion or allowance to argue in florida? >> todd blanche will ultimately be admitted if he's not already admitted before the florida bar in a federal court in connection with a criminal proceeding in florida, so that's not really a question. it would be advisable, and it's almost always the case that you also have local counsel with you. that's not necessary. he will likely have local counsel. i imagine he'll have local counsel by the time of the arraignment tomorrow on tuesday. i understand that people are talking about, you know, there might have to be an adjournment with regard to the arraignment, because he didn't have accounts. i would find that to be unlukely, and i don't think it's in the president's interest to have the need for more than one appearance when one appearance will do just fine. >> yeah. >> so i would think that they would rather avoid having to come back -- >> might not want to come back and do it again. let me ask about judge aileen

cannon, i know she's not presiding over this arraignment, but she's the judge assigned to this case as of now. is it a good idea for the department of justice to file a motion to have her recused. >> she has issued rulings in the past favorable to donald trump, and unfavorable against the justice department. even if you strongly disagree with the ruling, it's not a basis for recusal. the basis is having a family interest involved in the case, being close to a witness, something like that. unless she does something outrageous in the case, there would be no basis for recusal, if she does make a ruling in this case, you know, a ruling on admissibility of evidence or granting a motion that seems outrageous, maybe they reconsider at that point, otherwise you play the cards you're dealt. >> 21 to 60 days is what the prosecution thinks that this

prosecution will take. how much delay can there be in motions to dismiss, et cetera? >> in terms of trial dates, that's at least a three-week trial and possibly a four to six-week trial. i cannot imagine, i think i said this before with you, i cannot imagine, whether it's the new york d.a.'s office's case, a situation in which a current presidential candidate who might by that time possibly have the republican nomination be sitting for a four-to-six-week trial where he's required to be present in the middle of a presidential campaign. i cannot imagine that happening. >> he'll get a lot of air time if that's the case. a lot of attention. >> he's going to have to be there, but you're essentially saying you're going to take him off the campaign trail and sit him in a courtroom for four to six weeks. >> his campaign relied on when he was doing rallies anywhere in the country, them being

broadcast live everywhere in the country. so basically they were campaigning everywhere all the time. this would be, i'm not saying this is what they want, but this could be a version of that. >> there won't be any cameras, of course, in the courtroom, because there are no cameras in federal courtrooms. >> barbara mcquade, robert ray, thank you very much. let's go to doral where we find nbc news correspondent, gabe gutierrez. donald trump is about to pull up there. what's the scene? >> reporter: hi there, katy, actually, just a few seconds ago, former president trump in his motorcade just came by. you can see a group of trump supporters have arrived here, about several dozen or so, and they have been chanting "let's go trump" as the former president made his way through. there's a heavy security presence. the street has been blocked off for several minutes, and it all comes after local authorities are saying they have resources on hand to deal between 5,050,000 people. of course, no indication anywhere close to that will actually show up, but there's

been a small crowd of supporters here that have been here now for the past hour or two here in doral, greeting the former president, and we have been speaking with them, and they do see this as a political persecution, no matter when you ask them about specifics of the indictment. but, again, with former president trump expected to spend the night here at his doral golf club and resort, he's expected to stay here overnight before heading to the federal court house in downtown miami tomorrow, katy. but again, the former president just arriving here in doral in the past few moments. >> gabe, thank you very much. coming up next, what do lawmakers who deal with national security think of donald trump's handling of classified materials, now that they have some detail from that indictment. plus, four children, the youngest just 11 months old found alive 40 days after the plane that they were traveling on crashed in the jungle. what they did to survive. e junge what they did to survive hey bud. wow. what's all this? hawaii was too expensive so i brought it here.

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as we just laid out, donald trump's allies in congress and others are arguing he's being politically persecuted. they say others have done the same thing, but only donald trump is facing life behind bars for it. lindsey graham in particular was very worked up on abc's "this week." >> most republicans believe we live in a country where hillary clinton did very similar things and nothing happened to her. president trump will have his day in court. but espionage charges are absolutely ridiculous. whether you like trump or not, he did not commit espionage. >> joining me now is nbc use capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. that was lindsey graham, let me also play senator marco rubio on cbs. >> when you bring an indictment like this, it's not done in isolation, it's not done in a vacuum. you have to take a lot of things into account. there's no allegation there was harm done to the national security. there's no allegation he sold it

to a foreign power or that it was trafficked to somebody else or anybody got access to. >> all right. so we have two senators who are going on the record. we also have tim scott who's in the presidential race. he's been defending donald trump. have we heard anything from mitch mcconnell or other members of senate leadership? >> reporter: senate leadership to this point has been mum. mitch mcconnell was on the senate floor a few minutes ago. he talked about needing to fund aid to ukraine, and did not mention the former president, and refused to answer any questions about it. we'll have to see as more senators arrive here today if we start to get more of a sense of where many of them stand, but you point out the comments by senator rubio and senator graham, that follows a textbook of talking points by republicans that have largely rushed to the defense of the former president along these lines that the justice department is unfairly

targeting the former president. senator rubio did somewhat get into the actual allegations but for the most part, they just are trying to accuse the justice department of treating donald trump unfairly as a way to provide him protective cover as he heads into this legal battle that he's currently facing. and that can be said along the lines of many republicans in both the house and the senate. the one exception so far has been mitt romney who's a noted trump critic who has said that no one is above the law and that the charges against the former president are shocking. >> ryan, thank you very much, and joining me now is former chief communications adviser for former house speaker paul ryan, and msnbc political analyst, brandon buck. we heard from those senators, let's hear again a little bit more from bill barr over the weekend. >> if even half of it is true, then he's toast. it's a very detailed indictment. and it's very very damming. and this idea of presenting

trump as a victim here, a victim of a witch hunt is ridiculous. >> so you have bill barr say that. you also have him say the classified information that was there, there was no reason for it to be with donald trump, that he was shocked at the detail of the classified documents that he is accused of retaining, not to mention the ways in which that he stopped investigators, the fbi, justice department from coming in to get them. there's a poll that asks republicans voters how they feel about this indictment and no surprise here, the vast majority of them say it's politically motivated. 76% say they feel the indictment was politically motivated. how effective can someone like bill barr be in trying to convince them otherwise. >> yeah, you know, i think that poll really hits it on the head. i think the difference between those members of the senate and

bill barr is bill barr doesn't have to answer to voters, and the fact that voters continue to stick by donald trump is the reason why you see members talking like this. i think we have to appreciate that as much sort of wishful thinking as we hear sometimes in washington, this is not a party that is ready to turn the page on donald trump. the republican party voters are not ready to turn the page. maybe more precisely, they're not ready to give up the fight, fight that donald trump represents. we talked about how so much of his power comes from his perceived enemies and he'll willing to fight them and that excites voters, and it seems once again when the fight comes up, voters are ready to stick by him, and therefore members of congress are. >> what do you think of what marco rubio said, and i think he's got a point when he says it is not a vacuum and that bringing a case like this can potentially be explosive, and have, you know, a knock on effect. the "wall street journal" made that same argument that they're not sure the prosecutors understand the fire that they're

playing with. but the other side will say, how could you not prosecutor somebody for breaking the law. doesn't matter who they are, it would set a terrible precedent to allow a former president to get away with something like this. is there a way for this country and our institutions to regain broad trust from everybody? or a majority of everybody at least? >> yeah, i think the obvious challenge here is that the administration is taking what i might call the high road, they're not communicating about it, and donald trump obviously doesn't play that way, and so he is able to communicate in a way that tells his side of the story very effectively. i think the point you're getting at is there's politics here, and we shouldn't be surprised there's politics here, and the doj is doing what they have always done which is try to rise above that. i don't know that you can really do that anymore. i think you need to tell your side of the story. obviously they did that very well through that indictment. but there's so much more going on, and i think it's actually a

risky proposition for the biden administration to sort of look the other way, and just say justice will have its process. you know, it's a pretty significant risk, i think. donald trump is very likely to be the next nominee and if the stakes of this are not fully explained to people, it is not beyond the realm of possibility. >> president biden should get involved. merrick garland should get involved. their calculation is that if they get involved, they're making it more political, and risk making it about them, and not about jack smith and the special counsel and the investigation itself. >> i think whether it's the white house itself, which i absolutely understand that principle, where are the president's allies in congress, perhaps, need to better explain the stakes of what's going on here. donald trump is filling it. he is the one who is defining what's going on here, and a lot of these republican senators are getting a pass on how they talk about this because there's no real pushback. i understand why chuck schumer is saying we need to let the

process play out. i certainly do. we are in a whole new era of politics where i don't think that you can play by the old rules. we certainly know that donald trump doesn't. >> brendan buck, thank you very much. and coming up, another american is detained in russia. what the moscow court is accusing him of doing, and the punishment that he is facing. plus, part of i-95, the main artery between philadelphia and new york city shut down. the road collapsed. we'll tell you what happened and how long it will take to fix. transportation secretary pete buttigieg joins me later in the hour for that. pete buttigieg joins me later in the hour for that.

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young survivors. their grateful father telling reporters, we believe a lot in the jungle, calling their rescue a miracle of god. >> also reporting that their mother survived, they said, for four days before losing her after that plane crash. really sad, but really amazing nonetheless. coming up, commuting, travel and commerce near philadelphia is snarled for what is expected to be for months as the i-95 partially collapses. transportation secretary pete buttigieg is here in just a moment to tell us how quickly they can get things back up and running. every night. but now that i got the inspire implant to treat my sleep apnea, i'm sleeping much better. in fact, it's making me think of doing other things i've been putting off. like removing that tattoo of your first wife's name. but your mom's name is vicky too! that's even worse.

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chevy silverado. taking adventure to a whole new level. the i-95 collapse is officially a disaster. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro issued the declaration today, which immediately gives access to $7 million in state funds, the northbound portion of an overpass just outside of philadelphia fell apart over the weekend, when a tanker truck caught on fire underneath it. the now closed highway could take months to repair, and will likely end up disrupting hundreds of thousands of drivers every day until it is. joining me now is u.s. transportation secretary pete buttigieg. mr. secretary, thank you very much for joining us. we just got some sad news that a -- human remains were found in

that fire. do you know anything more? >> just what we've seen from the police. i know they'll release more details as appropriate. anyone who's seen the shocking images knows how serious of a crash and fire it was that ultimately led to that collapse, and of course a tragic result and at the same time, you know, when you consider the amount of traffic that goes over that stretch of highway, really fortunate that there were not more people injured or killed in the course of what happened there. you can see just from the images right there, you know, this is a stretch of road that about 155,000 to 160,000 cars and trucks a day pass over on average, which is of course why it is so important to work quickly to get that access restored, and right now, what you're seeing in addition to the emergency response work that's been going on is the early work toward making sure that that happens. we're here to support the

pennsylvania d.o.t. in every way we can to get that done. >> i imagine the issue here is the steel that reinforces that overpass melted from the heat from the flames. the other side of the highway is also kind of shaky right now. do you know how much more damage there is, whether it's just contained to that one stretch, that one overpass or is it further down? >> more of that information is going to emerge. what i will say is that nothing will be reopened unless it is 100% safe, and that is always the top priority. now, while that determination is being made, and while the repair work is getting underway, there's going to be a lot of traffic diverted and a lot of need to absorb the traffic coming on alternate routes. i have already been in touch with state leadership, with the mayor and others, our federal highway administrator's on the ground right now helping to do the groundwork on that. and septa, which is the local

transit agency has been adding frequency in order to absorb that. that is no substitute to the clear for having i-95 up and running the way it is supposed to be, but the more we can work together to support that process, the more we'll be able to help philadelphia commuters, truckers and others manage through that period of disruption until everything can be reopened because, again, until we know that it is 100% safe, the pennsylvania d.o.t. won't be able to reopen that stretch of road. >> so it's not just the disruption of the commute for so many americans, while that is extremely frustrating, it's also financially a big problem. 40% of the 40% of the gdp goes along that highway. how do you get it back up and running quickly? how long is this going to take? is it going to be weeks, as you said, or will it be months? >> i'm not prepared to weigh in with a timing estimate. that's the exact work going on right now at the ground. and i'm planning to go out

tomorrow and consult with myself and local leaders and people as they develop a responsible effort of the time lines that are involved. but you are absolutely right. this is not just an issue for commuters, passenger or people on their way to work. this is very important to our supply chains. there are alternate routes and that's what trucks will be using. those were not designed to take on the same level of road i-95 has had. until this can be put back into service, we will see impacts across the corridor when it comes to the movement of goods. >> i'm sure you have had conversations with your counter parts and other agencies in the government, especially when it comes to the economic fall-out. do you have an idea of what the economic fall-out will be of this collapse if it takes weeks or months to get up and running? >> what we know is it will depend on how long that takes, and every day will count in

safely restoring that service. obviously we're talking about a major structural impact. you see the northbound lanes collapsed out right and then the impacts on the southbound lanes are being assessed. all of that physical work has to be done in a way that is 100% confirmed to be safe. but there is no question that each passing day that you have those detours, have those deroutes, there is a substantial economic cost. i will also say there is a lot of work i think we can do not just on the funding side but that disaster declaration that governor shapiro signed unlocks not just state funding but federal funding from our department as well, but also technical assistance. i have talked to the mayor about adjustments that can be made to get that traffic going as smoothly as possible. it may be something like a two-way route, for example, where it is smarter temporarily to run it on a one-way basis.

things like that we're fully prepared to help the city and state authorities with to get the information, the data and the analysis they might need in order to minimize the economic impact. but there is no getting around the fact that the economic will be real as long as this disruption continuing. >> $7 million from the state. how much from the federal government? >> really depends how much it's going to take. so these are the kind of estimates and analyses going on right now. but we are here with whatever it takes to get back to normal because this is an absolutely essential corridor. you don't have to live anywhere near philadelphia to care about i-95 being in good shape. >> secretary pete buttigieg, thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, what has to give to end the nearly week-long standoff between kevin mccarthy and the house freedom caucus?

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want and they have not issued a list of demands to him yet. and he wants to figure out how to break this impasse. let's hear what he has to say. >> we have to stay together because we have a five-seat majority. so if less than 5% -- remember what they're doing here. they're not voting against the bill. they're denying conservative bills to come into the floor. no, in essence, they were voting with democrats. you are turning the vote over to democrats. >> the stakes could not be lower. that have no chance of passing the senate, which is controlled by democrats. no chance of getting signed into law by president biden. we're talking about gas stove regulations and pistol deregulation as well among the house republicans. the big question is how long this persists, things like appropriations, the farm bill that will be very consequential that do have to pass in terms of

bipartisan deals so they can get it into senate. this faction has proven they don't like this kind of bipartisan deal making, and they're willing to act out by paralyzing the floor of the house in retaliation. we should find out in the next day or two this persists. they are willing to play this card. >> they're willing to play when the stakes are low. let's see. if they are, what happens to kevin mccarthy's leadership. thank you very much. and that is going to do it for me today. tomorrow, tuesday, is a big day, so please be sure to join us again. "deadline white house" starts right now. ♪♪ >> hi, everyone. happy monday. it's 4:00 in the new york. let's think of it as the aftermath of the indictment of donald trump and the documents case as being on two