american and yet refused. at that time there was really no other way to go forward here. especially given the fact that we suspect he may have more classified information that we're unaware of. >> congresswoman mikie. remember, follow the show online on facebook and on twitter @mitchellreports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. donald trump has engaged in thousands of legallifetime, bute this. our new reporting on his state of mind as the reality of those federal charges sinks in. why he's going back to the same old playbook to fight this brand new legal threat and the new information in three other cases. plus, attorney general merrick garland has stayed out

of sight since trump's charges were filed, but that ends today. an event set to begin any minute now is focused on violent crime, but the real question is will he talk about trump or special counsel jack smith? and a group of kids suing the state of montana over their right to a healthy, livable climate. is it meant to make a political point or is it a real case based in the law? but we start with brand new nbc reporting from inside trump world that the former president is bracing now for even more indictments. a source in contact with donald trump also says he knows that means a long and uncertain period of legal battles, even as he's telling allies he can't believe the florida case has gotten this far. but while trump seems to know that the level of legal peril is shifting, he's sticking to a tried and true political strategy, attacking his enemies while insisting he did nothing

wrong. >> today we witnessed the most evil and heinous abuse of power in the history of our country. under the presidential records act, which is civil, not criminal, i had every right to have these documents. in other words, whatever documents a president decides to take with him, he has the right to do so. it's an absolute right. this is the law. i did everything right and they indicted me. >> in fact, a source who is not on the legal team we should say, says it seems likely that trump's defense will hinge on that very point, that he believed he had the right to keep those classified documents. simultaneously, nbc news has learned that there's frustration among some in his camp that all of this could have been avoided if he had just complied with the government subpoena in the first place. so their biggest concern now is that if this indictment is followed by more in georgia and d.c., voters could conclude that trump simply has too much

baggage to be president. i want to bring in nbc's garrett haake who's in bedminster in new jersey, carol leonnig is national reporter for "the washington post," and co-author of i alone can fix it. paul butler, former federal prosecutor, georgetown law professor and msnbc legal analyst. and anthony coley, served as senior adviser to attorney general merrick garland and is an msnbc justice and legal affairs analyst. good to have all of you here. garrett, that same source told nbc news that while trump has successfully survived other legal battles and of course even the 2016 access hollywood controversy, quote, this moment feels different. what can you tell us about that and how it might affect their strategy going forward? >> reporter: the legal case against mr. trump here is far more serious than any he's ever faced. he's not gotten himself into a situation until this year where he's been indicted, now he's been indicted twice, this time on federal charges that carry

significant prison sentences. i mean, it's one thing to talk about legal problems or get sued, it's another thing entirely to be in front of a federal judge having to put in a not guilty plea and kind of have your liberty at stake in that manner. i can tell you that our sources, both the one you quoted in the intro and another source who was at the bedminster event last night described the president the same way, the former president. they say he is calm in the face of all of this, and i can tell you that one source said that the team around mr. trump was very happy with the way that yesterday was sort of handled in the short-term. they are making political victories here in the short-term, even while the legal questions are open. and the way in which those things can be related is really perhaps the only way that donald trump can talk his way through this from a legal perspective is to delay the legal proceedings and win the presidency again at which point he would not be able to be prosecuted while he holds that office. and so the legal and the political once again intertwined for donald trump, as is often the case, there's disagreements within his orbit about finer

points of strategy, elements perhaps how things should have been handled in the past. but there's really only one way out right now, and that's through. and you're seeing that in the way that donald trump has made this a political issue as much as it's ever been a legal one, chris. >> speaking of the politics of this, carol, we saw that right after he got arrested he goes to versailles, which is a well-known cuban restaurant. he walks among his supporters there. then he comes back. he has this rally last night, you know, clearly wants it to be a show of strength, but your colleague spoke to his former chief of staff john kelly who said all this bravado is covering up for the fact that trump is -- he said something very colorful, i'll just say he's very, very scared. you know this man, you've written books about him. do you agree with john kelly's assessment? is that the likely thing that's going on behind the scenes? >> i wouldn't just say it's likely, i would say that our great reporters at "the washington post" that i work alongside every day are finding that he is indeed quite

frightened. this is different, right? i mean, garrett spells out perfectly why donald trump's tried and true path has always been grabbing the megaphone and trying to win this in the court of public opinion. but a federal court is different. i'm not saying that this is an absolute slam dunk. a florida jury, he only needs one juror to disagree with a pretty devastating amount of evidence that jack smith has laid out, but this is a first for the country and for donald trump, and if he's not worried, i would be worried about his state of mind. also -- i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i was going to say, you say it's his first but as he seems to be very aware it's also not his last potentially. he has these other cases out there. we're going to talk a lot more about those new developments later on in the show, but if there are more signs that the public is getting weary of this legal drama, if the polls start to drop, for example, knowing

the donald trump that you know, does he have a different gear? does he have the ability to pivot? >> i mean, that seems like looking way off into the horizon for what might happen. fani willis's investigation, the new york manhattan d.a.'s investigation and indictment on state charges, and of course there's still ongoing investigation into donald trump and his lieutenant's efforts in their campaign to steal the election on january 6th in the weeks preceding it. a lot of interesting schemes under investigation at the time. so i would say that donald trump really does have basically one gear, which is whatever will win the day and the morning, and that is different than a federal courthouse. it's just very, very different. one of the worries here among republicans who support donald

trump, who have been talking to us privately is that he really, really had a zillion red flags. you know, you're speeding. you're speeding. now it's reckless driving. now it's not reckless driving. now it's nearly manslaughter. you know, he had a million places where he could have chosen another route, and republicans who we are talking to privately who are actually rooting for donald trump to essentially go down in this case warned me in the summer of 2022 that this was the most grave legal danger for donald trump. you know, fani willis's racketeering case is pretty striking, but we don't know all the details of what will be laid out. but this one is where one where people have been court martialed, sent to jail, lost their law license. these are the acts of a person -- these acts as alleged by jack smith are not ones that you just walk away blithely from

after saying it's a big lie, a big hoax and that it's not fair to you. this is a different category, a different order of storm. >> so paul, the indictment was very detailed, the 49 pages. but there's still a lot we don't know about this case, the time line, for example, who might be called as witnesses. apparently that was part of the conversation in the courtroom yesterday. when are we going to start to get answers? what happens now and in the next couple of months? >> so judge cannon will have to set a trial date if she remains on the case. jack smith says he wants the trial as soon as possible. trump probably wants to delay until after the election. i think trump is likely to move to dismiss the case and to limit the evidence that the jury is allowed to see. that's always an issue with national security cases. the defense will also want the florida judge to exclude some of the testimony from trump's lawyers. that's some of the most

incriminate evidence in the indictment, and chris, trump's lawyers hope that judge cannon will continue her pattern of deference to trump and give him the kind of breaks that the d.c. federal judges who were supervising the investigation didn't give trump. >> anthony, let's assume, and a lot of people think this, this trial might take some time to get going, some people saying maybe next summer at the earliest. in the meantime, we know what to expect from donald trump, we know he is going to continue to be on the attack. we know he is going to continue to deny. we know he is going to continue to misrepresent the law. he's already done it. we also know that your old boss, merrick garland isn't one to be expansive about things like this. >> right. >> but at some point, do folks on the prosecution side have to start answering some of the things that donald trump is talking about? do they need to be out in the court of public opinion, and would you expect merrick garland

to say anything today when we see him? >> my hope if i were still at the justice department, if i were advising the attorney general, i would have him focus on one word and a variation of it, and that is the independence of the special counsel. the attorney general took the appropriate approach last november when he named this career prosecutor who was a part of the permanent work force. he wasn't an appointee that goes with various administrations like me and others. he's a part of the permanent work force. he's a registered independent, and he is a detailed, meticulous prosecutor. he doesn't have a political bone in his body. if i'm the attorney general, i would reemphasize the independence of the special counsel and the fact that this particular decision was jack smith's own prosecutorial discretion. doesn't have anything to do with

partisan politics or anything like that, and chris, i'm not one to quote bill barr very often, but he's right here. this amount of evidence is pretty damning, and it's pretty overwhelming, and if i'm the attorney general, i'm going to keep the attention focused on why he, merrick garland, made this appointment independent and keep it focused on the facts. >> having said that, you can't ignore what's being talked about outside because you have a jury selection that's going to come up. does it make it exponentially harder to find a jury if you're up against donald trump? >> sure it does, right? but one thing to remember here, there are two courts in this country. there's the court of law which the justice department is primarily focused on, and then there's the court of public opinion. what we saw, this justice department, the special counsel do on friday was recognize the court of public opinion by releasing this indictment.

>> can i interrupt you for a second? i'm told merrick garland did just speak, so let's take a listen to what the attorney general had to say. >> calling your prosecutors names, republicans in congress, some of them have been talking about weaponization of the justice system. when did you find out the special counsel was headed down this track? and why did you choose not to stop him as was in your power? >> so as you know, i can't talk about the particulars of this or any other ongoing criminal matter. as i said when i appointed mr. smith, i did so because it underscores the justice department's commitment to both independence and accountability. mr. smith is a veteran career prosecutor. he has assembled a group of experienced and talented prosecutors and agents who share his commitment to integrity and

the rule of law. any questions about this matter will have to be answered by their filings in court. >> mr. attorney general, experts in extremism had feared there would be unrest in miami this week. some people are saying it's because the justice department has been so assertive in prosecuting rioters on january 6th that we have not seen a repeat of that violence. do you agree with that assessment? >> all i can say is we live in a democracy. these kind of matters are adjudicated through the judicial system. the justice department will be vigilant to ensure that there are no threats of violence or actual violence. >> can you give the american public a very clear sense of what exactly your role was in the indictment process, just so people can understand what that role is? and then secondarily, given the historic and extraordinary nature of the case, explain to people, if you would, why this

was the best and most appropriate step that was taken and why there were no other alternatives? >> i'm trying to remember the first question. >> your role. >> yes, so my role has been completely consistent with the regulations that set forth the responsibilities to the attorney general under the special counsel regulations, and i followed those regulations. with respect to the second question, this, again, is asking for particulars, and i'm not going to be able to comment on all the comments on this will have to come in filings in court. >> that's all we have time for, thank you. >> thank you all. that's all we have time for. >> i want to bring in nbc news senior legal correspondent laura jarrett, by the book, he says. but look, he's also completely aware he's been in the public sphere for a long enough time to understand people have questions, and he's clearly made the calculation that what he needs to do as the attorney

general of the united states is not always to answer those questions. >> right, so he's doing two moves here trying to thread a very delicate line, a very delicate hole by saying on the one hand, i support jack smith. he is a veteran prosecutor, someone who's assembled a group of talented doj prosecutors were his words, so he's defending the department, standing up for the department in the face of considerable attacks from the former president and his allies. but on the other hand, he's not going to go into specifics. he's not even really, chris, going to explain to people what his role was. he's pointing to the regulation, which frankly most americans -- we've read them but most people haven't taken the time to digest them, and i think it would have been worth explaining exactly on the record what his role was. but understand that that's the move that he's made. and then as to the question of why was this the best way to do this? was the prosecution really the best way to accomplish this, on

that he really deferred answering entirely. and so it's sort of interesting, you know, people at home might be wondering why do this if you're not going to actually delve into it. if you're not going to go all the way in, why do this, but i think that there obviously is enormous pressure on the department right now to stand up for the men and women who work there and to represent the department. he is, of course the face of the department, right? he's the one who's been senate confirmed, not jack smith, and so you can understand why there's the impulse to do it. people have a lot more questions, and at some point they're going to have to get some answers other than this. >> i think there is pressure. he said, anthony, i think you predicted very well much of what he had to say. is there an amount of pressure that would make him make that turn? does it become jack smith's obligation to answer some of these questions publicly? >> so this justice department is going to speak through its court filings, and so while i think

all of us would like to see more and get into the minds of what jack smith is thinking, the court filings are going to be how they make their arguments. i will say this, though, i agree with calls of allowing a live audio feed of this trial when it begins. >> no video? >> you know, there are legitimate concerns about witness tampering and witness intimidation that i think we would have to think through, but at the very least, the supreme court has audio, live audio feeds of their oral arguments, and i would make the argument at the very least, this issue is of such importance to the american people and live audio will help address some of the misinformation that we have seen from some republican circles, misinformation, chris, that i would add began before the indictment was even unsealed. >> i guess the question then becomes, laura, if there's misinformation out there, does

it settle, does it become part of how people view this long before they ever get into the courtroom and maybe will have an opportunity -- maybe have an opportunity to see it or hear it. >> the problem is some of those views are so fully baked. think about all of the trials and all of the evidence that has come out in the january 6th investigations, and for the people who, you know, continue to try to deny the results of the election, those haven't changed those minds. it doesn't mean that we shouldn't still have full transparency in the courtroom and we shouldn't still have a full airing of something this important against the former president of the united states, but i'm not sure the trial is the way that's going to change hearts and minds. >> yeah, and i'm not sure, garrett haake, if this doesn't in some ways provide an opportunity. we'll see -- oh, garrett has gone on. he's probably with somebody else. but maybe i'll ask you this, paul, because, again, we know what's at stake here.

if this doesn't provide an opportunity for what we're going to hear on the right, which is we can't even get them to answer a simple question. >> it'd be great, chris, but it's not going to happen. there's never been a federal criminal trial that's been televised or had a live audio feed. the supreme court did allow that for some of its own arguments. in this case, the decision would be up to the chief justice of the united states, even if the trial judge wanted tv or audio, she couldn't make that decision on her own. the chief has been very conservative, let's say, about allowing cameras in the courtroom. >> so many things still to be settled, so many questions still to be answered. laura jarrett, carol leonnig, anthony coley, thanks to all of you. paul butler, you're going to stick around. there are some republicans who now don't just admit that donald trump faces serious charges, they're wondering behind closed doors if the base will actually start to waiver.

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today as the 2024 race heats up, a small but growing number of donald trump's rivals are acknowledging that this time his legal woes present a political as well as a personal threat. that includes mike pence who this morning went further in his criticism of his former boss than he has in the past.

>> this indictment contains serious charges, and i cannot defend what is alleged. the very prospect that what is alleged here took place creating an opportunity where highly sensitive classified material could have fallen into the wrong hands even inadvertently, that jeopardizes our national security. it puts at risk the men and women of our armed forces. >> that follows comments by several other 2024 rivals indicating senator tim scott who called it a serious case with serious allegations, and nikki haley who said if the indictment is true, president trump was incredibly reckless with our national security. though haley also suggested that if convicted trump should be pardoned. so the criticism is sometimes given with an asterisk or it's muted as the majority of the party and certainly the majority of house republicans continue to stridently defend the former president in public. nbc's vaughn hillyard is at trump's bedminster, new jersey,

residence, and michael steele is former rnc chair and an msnbc political analyst. vaughn, many republican operatives privately tell nbc news that the federal indictment is serious, that it could cause problems not just for trump but the party. is trump world concerned about this growing criticism, or are they discounted because so much of it, frankly, is behind closed doors? >> reporter: chris, one of trump's aides who was at bedminster last night after the event, i was talking with him, and the question posed to him was do they care about what mike pence or nikki haley are saying, and sort of they're coming in with a little bit more of a knife this time around over the indictment of what mike pence outlined were serious allegations, and the response was, quote, doesn't matter. that's at least the public face that trump's operation wants to put forward while realizing they're going to have to face trial dates and donald trump actually appearing before a jury and prosecutors. but at the same time, when you're looking at this from the

political end, that same aide told me, look, everybody in america knew where donald trump was yesterday. where were the other candidates? most americans would not be able to identify where nikki haley or ron desantis were. this is kind of like in basketball, you have an older player that is coming down the court. we're only seven months away from the iowa caucus, so we're getting near the end of the ball game, and this player he's got a lead, and there are multiple defenders still down there, nick nikki haley, ron desantis, mike pence, but nobody's playing full court offense despite this player having five fouls on him and being in a jeopardized position. they are allowing that clock to run down. with each passing day we only get closer to the iowa caucus. for context it was last november that donald trump announced his presidential run, chris. that was seven months ago. we are now officially seven months away from the iowa caucus, while there's a lot of private chatter about the vulnerabilities of donald trump, the actual folks with the microphones are still not going

straight on to donald trump and are really giving him some breathing room among the republican electorate that right now is sympathetic toward him in the indictments against him. >> there's an article in "the washington post," michael, that talks about the fact that there are more republicans who are criticizing him but also notes we've seen over and over again how certain republicans will decide that trump has finally gone too far and suggest as much, only to pull back when the party base stays in his camp. i mean, i wonder if we're going to see a replay of that. there were certainly republicans who were up in arms on the day or two after january 6th but then rolled that back when they saw how the base felt about it. >> just to pick up on vaughn's smart reporting, so they're already telegraphing that. they're already telegraphs what "the washington post" is laying out in front of you. so let me get this straight, these charges are very serious, and if donald trump -- donald trump should be held accountable if true, and if he's convicted,

i'll pardon him. then clearly you don't -- >> he's endangering our national security. >> right, he's endangering our national security. so if a jury of the peers after having seen the evidence presented, convict him, these individuals are already on the record saying i'll pardon him. so they're already undermining the very -- the very serious nature of what it is they're talking about. it can't be that serious if you don't think they're valid, that's the only reason you would pardon him so the reality of it is even is having the quiet chatter, the quiet conversation. meanwhile, as vaughn happily reported, the trump people are like, okay, so what? we should be concerned about what? because there is no full court press. there's no one that is actually creating a foul on the court that would take him out of the game. in other words, using this information, using this

indictment, using the knots this has twisted the party into against the sitting -- the former president and making sure the base understands that there is no win here, and there is no way to win here. but no one wants to do that. they want the -- they want the justice department that they rail against, that they demonize, criticize, right, to do the job that they won't do. and that is get donald trump out of their way so they can then go on criticizing the doj while reaping the benefits of not having donald trump on the stage. and it's not going to play out that way. >> they also appear in some cases to be asking doj to prove things that are not required by law. in other words, if you look at the charges against donald trump, to talk about national security secrets you don't have to prove what happened as a result of mishandling national security secrets or refusing to

honor a subpoena. let me play for you what marco rubio said. >> what was the damage? was this stolen and sold to the iranians? sold to the saudis? given over to the russians? that allegation's not made in that indictment. no one's made that allegation. so at the end of the day, we have to weigh the damage of the indictment versus the damage of the allegations if proven true. it's just not even a fair way. >> so this is an issue of fairness, michael? >> what the hell is he talking about? what are you kidding me? you're sitting there, you're holding documents you shouldn't have that are marked secret, top secret. oh, so you can hold the documents as long as you don't sell them to somebody? this is the kind of word salad crazy these people are twisting theirselves in knots, and they know, marco rubio knows damn well if this were joe biden in this situation, he would be saying 180 degrees from what

he's saying, but he can't and he won't because he's afraid of some imaginary ghost inside the gop. he's still afraid of donald trump. he's afraid of the process coming up and biting him on the behind and exposing the lies that they've perpetuated for the last seven years. he knows what he said is just word salad crazy. the reality of it is they don't have to prove what he's talking about. they got him on the goods. he has the documents. oh, we actually have conversations that we now see recorded in texts where he admitted he shouldn't have the documents. so stop it. just stop this. >> i want to go back, michael, to the fear of donald trump, and i don't know what's motivating this, but i do want to note that there are 18 house republicans who won in districts that joe biden also won. only one of them, don bacon of nebraska, has said anything negative about the fact that this indictment came out or the

details of the indictment. what do you make of that? >> well, first off, i don't want to characterize it as saying something negative. he spoke the truth. he said, look, this is a problem. this is a real problem. and so how we frame the way these folks talk about this matters. when they come out and say and call it for what it is, it's not a negative. the only negative is the fact that you've got people defending this crap. so the other 17 who haven't said anything, they're going to have to talk on it at some point because the constituencies in those districts are going to want to hear from them. do you think that this is a load of crap by the doj, that they're just going after donald trump because, oh, i don't know, he's donald trump, or they're going after him because he's actually done something that has criminal liability attached to it. they're going to have to address that at some point, chris. >> michael steele who reminded

me of the nuns back at st. anthony of pat wa, who would say is that the word you really want to use christine, and clearly it's not, michael steele, it's always so much fun to talk to you. i appreciate it. >> all righty. in philadelphia, the new plans just revealed to get one of the busiest roads in the country back open again. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. ports" oc s tourists that turn into scientists. tourists taking photos that are analyzed by ai. so researchers can help life underwater flourish. - representative! - sorry, i didn't get that. - oh buddy! you need a hug. you also need consumer cellular. get the exact same coverage as the nation's leading carriers and 100% us based customer support. starting at $20. consumer cellular. ♪ if there's pain when you try to poo ♪ ♪ and going sometimes feels like you ♪ ♪ pushed through a pineapple or two ♪

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so we've got a big update for the 160,000 people who travel i-95 around philadelphia every single day. the federal government today approving $3 million in emergency funding toward reconstructing the collapsed stretch of intestate 95, brought down in gasoline truck fire last week. the city identified the body recovered in the truck's wreckage as nathan moody. he's a 53-year-old father of three. it's a tragic, tragic story. the infirer reporting he chose short distance supply runs because he wanted to spend more time with his 7-year-old daughter. nbc ease emilie ikeda is here. there's the real world impact of that, it puts into perspective what is also not fun, which is the traffic people have been faced with. what else did we find out today with that press conference with the governor? >> i'll tell you this, the biggest question remains unanswered at this hour, and that is exactly when will people be able to return to i-95.

when will we see the completion of this project, and governor shapiro really assuring that crews are working around the clock. we saw them working through the rain earlier this week. they're continuing to do so this afternoon, and that has actually put them, he says, ahead of schedule for the demolition stage. we got some details around what to expect in the rebuilding process. it's a unique approach, a two-step process. see that gap you're seeing on your screen. they're going to be pouring a glass recycled product into there, and then paving over it to produce six lanes of roadway, and then after that happens, they will then build around with the bridge, the longer process with the civil engineers that i've been speaking to, they're telling me that will enable the reopening or at least some access to drivers at a shorter amount of time. you keep in mind just how many people, you said it, tens of thousands, drivers truckers relying on this stretch of i-95 in the philadelphia area every single day. economists warning this week that we could see -- this road closure could produce an increase in prices across the

northeast region because of the impact to the supply chain. i was speaking with a delivery driver briefly. he says that a typical route he takes, he is now seeing that time more than double. so the impact certainly being felt on the ground. >> so do they feel like they have a good idea of when they might be able to reopen? >> the number of times that question was asked i couldn't even count on two hands here, so they just aren't giving us that inclination. you look at something like i-85, for instance, in the atlanta area several years ago, it had been burned down. it took them six weeks to rebuild the interstate. that was considered really fast. >> it seems fast. >> we'll see the comparison here. >> emilie ikeda, thanks for coming out. good to see you. nbc news has learned that the virginia teacher who was shot by her 6-year-old student will not return to school this fall. the school district confirming to nbc that abigail is zwerner is indeed leaving. we get news hours after the

student's mother pleaded guilty to federal charges, she lied about her drug use when she bought the gun used in that shooting. we have an update. the officer who shot and wounded aderrien murry inside his home is now suspended without pay after a vote by the board of aldermen. sergeant caper's lawyer said the incident was a complete accident and so far no charges have been filed. inspiring change even before they have a driver's license, the group of activists as young as 5 years old, taking the state of montana to court over climate change. and the stunning new update in the case against the person in charge of guns on the day of the deadly shooting on the set of alec baldwin's film "rust." you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. y on msnc it's the perfect menu lineup. just give us a number, we got the rest. number three? the monster.

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a constitutional right to a healthy, livable climate is protected by state law. montana's constitution explicitly guarantees the right to a, quote, clean and healthful environment. so the 16 plaintiffs in the case -- and they range in age from 5 to 22 -- are suing the state saying it violates that right by supporting the fossil fuel industry. one of them, 19-year-old grace gibson snider says the state is, quote, choosing corporations over the needs of their citizens. but a witness for the state, economist terry anderson, argues that climate change could be beneficial because of, quote, longer growing seasons and the potential to produce more valuable crops. back with me, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, paul butler. i'm not going to ask you about what he had to say, but this is the first of its kind trial in the u.s., and obviously they're trying to make what they consider to be an important point, some would say a political point, but is this a

real case based in the law? >> absolutely. so this is what lawyers call impact litigation, meaning that plaintiffs want to establish precedent that the government has a legal duty to protect citizens from climate change. this would only apply to montana, but lawyers would be put -- lawmakers, that is, would be put on notice about their responsibilities to the planet and to their constituents. so chris, the lawyers will use this trial to present evidence about how climate change has caused wildfires and droughts and floods that have already harmed the people who live in montana. i have to say as a law professor, i love this story. i love these kids for kids for faith in using the legal system to fight for environmental justice. >> my colleague talked to some of those kids, the plaintiffs in

the case. i want to play a little bit of that for you. >> this is something that's really important to me, and i think it's the right thing to do. it's my future that i want to protect, and you know, all the kids' futures of montana. >> regardless of political beliefs, and regardless of whether they may fall on the political spectrum, montanans understand the desire to protect montana. >> you know, at 5 to 22, you can also make the argument, paul, that these are the ones who are going to be facing the long-term effects of climate change, long after we're gone. does that have any bearing on the case? >> i think it certainly has a symbolic barrier. the trial judge will know that these people, these young folks will be effective way more than others. there was a federal case like this a couple of years ago, but chief justice john roberts shut that down so, chris, now environmental lawyers are looking to the states for relief that doesn't seem to be coming from congress, from the white house, or from the supreme

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paul mccartney dropping major news that fans worldwide never thought they would hear again, a new song from one of the most legendary bands of all time is on the way. here's nbc's keir simmons. ♪ oh i get by with a little help from my friends ♪ >> john lennon and paul mccartney wrote "get by with a little help from my friends." >> it was a demo that john had, and we worked on, and we just finished it up. it will be released this year. we were able to take john's voice and get it pure through this ai. ♪ and now and then ♪ >> fans are guessing it will be "now and then," a demo track recorded by lennon in 1978, sent to mccartney on cassette tape from his widow after his untimely death. back then, it went unrelease ld.

now it could bring the band back together one last time. a case of musical time travel, if you will. ai has the ability to understand what john's voice sounds like, for tracks to be de-mixed and assembled in better quality. in the beatles era, that technology was unthinkable. >> there's a good side to, and then a scary side. and we just have to see where that leads! this is so great. >> reporter: as ringo starr told me a decade ago. >> look at the state of the art. this is a tape player and to try and get a good sound, we have plugged it into a mono radio. >> would you like to still be playing with the band? >> oh, yeah, any day. it was the best band ♪ don't let me down ♪ >> now, he can in a way. ai was used to enhance the music in this documentary, with unseen outtakes of the last recording session. but more controversially, ai

doesn't just enhance songs, it makes new ones, like this track by drake and the weeknd that attracted millions of listeners except it's not real or not really drake and the weeknd. a british music festival has already featured a virtual john lennon. how long before the beatles last performance on a roof in london is no longer their last performance. ♪ get back to where you once belong ♪ >> a message by the beatles from the past that could be about our ai future. keir simmons, nbc news. >> i'm all in on that. we've got a lot to cover on our second hour of "chris jansing reports," so let's get right to it. to it at this hour, looking for payback, new details on how