making certain that your wishes are carried out. jose? >> so important. sharon, thank you so very much. before we go, some news from space. an asteroid the side of the brooklyn bridge is passing less than 3 million miles from earth. the size and distance of the asteroid makes it a potentially hazardous object, according to nasa, despite possessing absolutely no threat of collision. that wraps up the hour for me. you can reach me on twitter and instagram. watch highlights from today's show online here on earth or anywhere else. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea

mitchell reports," the attorney general speaks out. merrick garland breaking his silence for first time since donald trump was indicted. not discussing the case, of course, but strongly defending special prosecutor jack smith against trump's constant attacks. >> mr. smith is a veteran career prosecutor. any questions about this matter will have to be answered by their filings in court. >> we have what trump's republican challengers are saying today. the latest polls since the indictment on how this is all affecting the former president's support from gop voters. an nbc news exclusive. what ukraine's president zelenskyy told nbc's richard engel about the counteroffensive and allegations ukraine is involved in cross-border attacks against russia. >> translator: the actions, i would say, it's generally positive. but it's difficult. cutting out the junk. the president expected to get a

major commitment today from big business about ending all those unfair surprise fees that impact everything from tickets to travel. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. after weeks of donald trump's attacks against merrick garland and jack smith, garland is now speaking out for first time, carefully, since the former president was indicted, strongly defending the prosecutor. >> mr. smith is a veteran career prosecutor. he has assembled a group of experienced and talented prosecutors and agents who share his commitment to integrity and the rule of law. any questions about this matter will have to be answered by their filings in court. >> joining me now, vaughn

hillyard, kimberly atkins stohr and from "the new york times," peter baker. vaughn, you have a statement from donald trump from a spokesman which outlines a potential legal strategy as former vice president mike pence is ramping up his criticism of trump. >> right. over the last eight years, donald trump has been in charge of his own defense. it has been a political defense. it is convincing voters. this time, it's a jury. that's why i want to let you look at the statement from a trump spokesman, beginning to lay out what the legal defense could look like. i think that that is an important construct when we talk about the legal end of this. that is what the likes of mike

pence and other candidates are now using to sort of juxtapose their own responses to this. listen to mike pence here in an interview talking about the serious nature of the allegations laid out in the indictment from the department of justice. take a look. >> i have a son who is a captain in the marine corps, a son-in-law who is a lieutenant in the navy. i know the risk that as i said even inadvertent release of classified information could present to our armed forces. >> that is where for mike pence, in terms of looking at the next seven months before the iowa caucus, you see him begin to lay out for the republican electorate and the electorate at large the serious nature of what was laid out from the department of justic. ultimately, this is going to be a slow process, the judicial process. that is one issue that mike pence and these other republican

candidates and donald trump himself in his own defense are going to have to wait out over time. >> vaughn, still mike pence, he is being very careful. is he trying to have it both ways? is he nervous about alienating the donald trump base? >> yeah. that's actually -- it came to a head last night on a radio show with a conservative outlet in which he was pushed from the right on the very question of whether he would, as president, pardon donald trump if donald trump were to be convicted. mike pence notably would not answer the question, much to the ire of the conservative radio host, who said, how can you have it both ways? how can you lay claim that the department of justice is politicized and unfairly targeting donald trump without making the commitment in real time that you would pardon him because of the politicalization of the prosecution? that is where mike pence finds himself in this difficult position. take a look at the new polling here that lays out where this republican field stands as of right now. mike pence, still at 4% in the poll.

you see donald trump continue to have a significant lead over the likes of ron desantis as well as the rest of the field. we are two months out from this debate taking place. again, the issue for each of the candidates is that they are going to have to take on these indictments head on, because the reality is, the hearings will not be playing out until well into next year. likely beyond the point in which they are going to be running against donald trump in the primaries that are slated to begin this next february. >> peter baker, let's talk about a number of things that have come up on the indictment itself. and the strategy prosecutors as well as the defense has handled this. "the washington post" reporting in the fall of last year, trump attorney chris kise tried to get the former president to negotiate a settlement with garland and return the documents. other members of the defense team disagreed. in the end, trump wouldn't do it. you know trump so well. you covered him for years. this would be typical of donald trump, not wanting to concede anything.

>> yeah, it is. anybody who has followed his political and legal adventures over the years have seen time and time again, he would rather fight than settle, rather than try to comply or cooperate, you would rather defy. i think that he had a chance to get out of this. we have seen this with other political figures. mike pence, who we just saw on screen, is not going to be prosecuted by the justice department. they said so. because they didn't find that the classified documents that he discovered in his files and returned, there was fly willful intent to violate the law. former president trump could have done the same thing early on in 2021 and said, i'm not trying to get in your way, here are the documents back. instead, he deied a subpoena. he didn't give all the documents back until the search warrant to get more documents from mar-a-lago. there's evidence he caused a false affidavit to be sent.

he didn't have to take a confrontational approach. a lot of legal experts say he wouldn't be in the trouble he is in today. >> kimberly, you call donald trump kryptonite and the worst type of client. how are the lawyers going to handle him? what about the reporting by "the new york times" that judge cannon has presided over only four criminal trials in her whole career. she came on during the trump -- she was confirmed during the trump transition to joe biden. she's very new to all of this. >> yeah. i think the statement that vaughn read from trump's team, if that's what the legal defense looks like, donald trump is in a lot of trouble. this is not a presidential records act case. what it states about the presidential records act, it is incorrect. we are talking about criminal charges under the espionage act, which prohibits taking of any sensitive information for national security and not turning it over. that is not in any way a

defense. that's perhaps in part because several of trump's own attorneys have quit because he doesn't listen to anyone. he certainly doesn't take considered legal advice. this is a complex case involving classified documents. he should have attorneys with security clearance. as far as we know so far, does he not. he is going before judge cannon who in the beginning of this investigation really hamstrung some investigative efforts by the justice department. those decisions were overturned. she could end up giving him favorable rulings, but not if he doesn't have a legal team that's able to make the motions to challenge evidence and do what they ought to do to defend him best. >> jeremy, "the new york times" is quoting -- i'm sorry, jeremy peters joins us from "the new york times." "the washington post" is quoting john kelly saying that mr. trump is scared to expletive deleted.

are there any signs the support in the maga world is wavering? or is the backing of him ironclad? >> nothing is ever ironclad. i wouldn't be surprised to see he gets a bump in his approval ratings, the next time we get polling. over the last eight years, trump and his allies have spent that time so degrading and debasing the justice system and the levers of government, our very democratic institutions here, that his supporters are considered to think that any break that cuts against him is somehow a part of this massive conspiracy to deny him and his political movement power. i don't -- john kelly obviously is a very accomplished, smart

individual who really did kind of keep trump in check over his tenure as white house chief of staff. i don't know that he has his finger on the pulse of the maga movement the way that trump does. i think at this point, everything we have seen shows us that this is still very much trump's nomination to lose. >> getting back to trump and his defense lawyers and whether this report in "the washington post" is correct, that he didn't turn them back when he could have, peter baker, i think the main point is that if he had turned things back then, it's quite possible that marekerrick garla would not have done this. if the documents had been turned back, prior to this search --

>> i think it's really telling is that 31 documents that jack smith cites in the indictment were all documents that were -- that donald trump failed to return after being asked. particularly after a subpoena. the documents he did return early on, he didn't get charged for. he got charged when he resisted efforts to return the documents. he didn't get charged for just taking them, if he gave them back in a timely basis. i think that's telling. that tells you what the calculation went into jack smith's decision to prosecute here. of course, what really triggers prosecutors is the idea that somebody in the process of an investigation is doing what he can to impede it, is trying to hide evidence, trying to convince wiltwitnesses to provi false affidavits, trying to deceive the government. that's what put this really on a hot track, i think, for an indictment. it's very possible he could have

gotten out of it had it been about taking documents and giving them back. >> certainly, before the federal judge in d.c. ruled that they would pierce the attorney/client privilege and they got access to all of evan corcoran's notes about moving things around. very quickly, jeremy, what about miami mayor francis suarez joining the presidential race, how does he distinguish himself? what about his resume? >> he is the only hispanic candidate in the republican field. eight years ago we saw two of them. he is in the same type of predicament that every other republican is in. when you watch his interview with "good morning america," the mayor danced around questions of donald trump's culpability and the indictment. no republican really, except for chris christie and asa hutchinson, have had much of a consistent message on this. nikki haley gave one answer and contradicted herself in the

next. mike pence has done pretty much the same thing. although, he seems to have landed on something a little bit more critical than he started out with, saying that he thinks that trump's actions are indefensible. look, the miami mayor, just like all these other candidates, the test is how do you deal with the 800 pound gorilla in the primary? so far, he has not distinguished himself on that. >> vaughn hillyard, kimberly atkins stohr, peter baker, jeremy peters, thanks. an nbc news exclusive. as ukraine launches its counteroffensive, president zelenskyy sitting down for an interview with nbc's richard engel. richard joins us live from kyiv coming up next when "andrea mitchell reports" is back in 60 seconds. stay with us. you are watching msnbc.

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president zelenskyy says rush -- russia is putting up fierce resistance. >> it's very good to see you again. we are in the early days of this long anticipated counteroffensive. how is it going? what's the goal? how would you describe progress so far? >> translator: i cannot give you all the details. the rebels of defensive and offensive actions, things look not bad. i would say, it's generally positive. but it's difficult. our heroic people, our troops who are now at the front of the front line are facing very tough resistance. and we understand why. because for russia to lose this campaign to ukraine, i would say actually means losing the war.

>> joining me now is nbc's chief foreign correspondent from kyiv, richard, congratulations on the big interview. what else did the president have to stay about the state of the war at this critical moment? >> reporter: we talked about domestic politics in the united states. that's because this country's future, its survival is dependent on the united states. every night there are attacks on kyiv these days. we heard the air raid sirens last night. this city is protected because of american missile defense systems. if the u.s. support for ukraine stops, russia could make advances. this country could lose its independence, could lose the war. people in this country, the government in this country, president zelenskyy are all watching political developments in the u.s. very closely. they are watching the statements from now the republican presidential candidates. i specifically asked him about

comments from ron desantis who said that the united states -- it's not in their national interest to get involved in a territorial dispute between russia and ukraine. government desantis says vladimir putin was wrong to invade this country, but he still called it a territorial dispute that the u.s. shouldn't get deeper into. former president trump has complained the united states is depleting its stockpile of weapons and sending them over to this part of the world, sending them over to ukraine. i asked him, what would you say to these two republican candidates and others who are critical of the level -- current level of support? here is a little bit more from today's interview. in many ways this country's survival depends on the assistance of the united states, other allies and several republican presidential candidates are expressing concerns about support for

ukraine. what would you say to them? >> translator: what would i say? is a candidate or senator who thinks it costs too much for the united states to support ukraine, is he ready to go to war, to fight, to send his kids? are they ready to die? because anyway, they will have to do this if nato gets involved. anyway, if ukraine would lose, if russia would occupy ukraine, russia will go toward poland, et cetera. they will start war with one of the other countries. at this moment, the united states will have to choose, the collapse of nato or go to war. >> reporter: andrea, in the last couple of hours, there has been an agreement, according to nato officials, according to ukrainian officials, to start training ukrainian pilots to operate f-16s.

this is something we talked about in the interview as well. it's something that president zelenskyy welcomes but says has come too late. he has been talking about the need to have fighter jets in this country to close the skies from the first day of the war. it is only now that there is an agreement to train the pilots, which could take some time. >> we know how much time. does that mean until the fall or later, that they would not be operational? >> reporter: no. i drilled down on this with him. it is still unclear which countries are going to supply f-16s or other fighter jets, how many, when they're supposed to arrive, how long the training is supposed to take place. there is a lot of frustration on this particular issue, because it is something they have been talking about from the earliest days of the war. it was something that president

zelenskyy used his very loud megaphone to particularly call attention to. now that there is some sort of training regime that's supposed to begin, it does not provide clarity to these still unanswered questions. >> fascinating interview. thank you so much, richard engel, with president zelenskyy today. you will see more of that throughout the day on msnbc and tonight on "nbc nightly news." pressure points. as the secretary of state heads to china, a look at how cybersecurity here at home will likely be a big topic when he gets to beijing. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. days? getting inspired! volunteering! playing pickleba...!

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secretary of state tony blinken has been able to win china's agreement to come to beijing this weekend, after the u.s. canceled that original trip over the chinese spy balloon incident. he will be the first secretary of state to visit china since 2018. the first cabinet secretary since 2019. it will be a critical effort to reopen communications china has broken off, especially military to military communications. since then speaker nancy pelosi went to taiwan last august. the many topics at issue between the two countries will be china's active program of cyberattacks against the u.s. joining me now is the director of the cybersecurity and

infrastructure security agency. there's a new report that several u.s. federal government agencies have been hit in a major cyberattack. what do we know? >> yeah. it's a software that federal agencies and companies across the world use. we put out an advisory about this last week. we are responding to it. these vulnerabilities are common in software. our job is to work with businesses to ensure they have the resources and tools to mitigate that risk. >> how widespread is it? what kind of businesses do they go after, certain industries? >> right now, we are focused specifically on the federal agencies that may be impacted. we're working hand in hand with them to mitigate the risk. we understand there are businesses though around the world. it's another ransomware actor. they are taking data and looking to extort it.

>> could it have been orange or -- could it be russian action? >> we are tracking it as a well-known ransomware group. >> how widespread is it? >> we are working with several federal agencies to understand that. we are working to get that visibility and make sure that we are able to put measures in place to mitigate any sort of impact. we are still working through the details of that right now. >> we don't fully have the defenses in place yet? is that a fair interpretation? >> we don't have a full understanding of what the impacts are or whether there are impacts. we are working through it aggressively. the situation, as you remember solarw solarwinds in the end of 2020, has changed in our ability to have visibility and those relationships and that collaboration to defend the

civilian.gov. i'm confident in my team that are working this. >> i know you have worked very hard, as have others, to try to get the private sector to do more. we are concerned about infrastructure, about utilities. how are you doing in terms of getting private sector cooperation? >> i have been incredibly encouraged by the collaboration that we have seen over the past couple years with the private sector. we stood up a platform called the joint cyber defense collaborative where we work with all manner of critical infrastructure, finance, energy, water, hospitals, education, technology to share information so that we can drive down risk for the nation. a great example was our shields up campaign. that was around the russian invasion of ukraine. we talked about the threat and provided mitigation measures so we could prevent any significant attacks to the nation's critical infrastructure. >> i've been told by other officials in the administration that one of the real concerns is

not so much nuclear power and some of the things we would traditional think were vulnerable, but water systems. >> it is a real concern. we have made water facilities and utilities a major priority for this. there's over 150,000 of these facilities around the country. these are what we call target rich. they can be targeted by threat actors. but then cyber poor. they don't have the resources to be able to defend themselves. what we are doing, we are working across the country. there are security advisors in every state to help them understand the measures that they need to take to reduce risk. we are doing this hand in hand with the epa and environmental protection agency so that we can put those measures in place to ensure americans can get safe and secure water. >> you have made it very clear that you -- you warned about cyber hacking and widespread espionage campaigns from china. talk about china and its role in

this. >> we are very concerned not just frankly about data theft and espionage, but the ability for china to hold the critical infrastructure that americans rely on every day at risk. so it's great that we are seeing the secretary of state go there and have an open and frank discussion about these issues, because we just published a report three weeks ago with our federal partners and international partners are chinese intrusions into our critical infrastructure. this, of course, is very consistent with what we have heard from the intelligence community. i think every american should read the annual threat assessment that talks about aggressive cyber operations against our critical infrastructure. because we need to understand the threat, how formidable this adversary is. it's very, very hard to prevent these disruptions. we need to be resilient, be prepared to deal with it and ensure that every business puts the measures in place so we can operate even in the face of disruption.

>> what are some of the vulnerabilities, which sectors in terms of critical infrastructure to chinese attacks? >> if you look at the annual threat assessment, as i mentioned, it specifically talks that chinese cyber threat actors are capable of disrupting critical infrastructure like oil and gas pipelines. you remember colonial in the summer of 2021. and transportation and rail. the idea would be in the event of a conflict, china would use aggressive cyber operations to delay military deployment, to affect military decisions, and to induce societal panic. very concerned about ensuring we can continue to have safe and secure water, that we can dispatch first responders, that we can get gas to the pump, that we can get health care to patients. so we really want to make sure that businesses take the steps they need to take to drive down risk and to build resilience. >> in terms of the breaking news that we were talking to you

about with this new malware that we are seeing, which agencies? you mentioned federal agencies. could you be specific? >> we have not put that out yet. we want to work with our partners to make sure we fully understand the situation. i am confident though that given all of the advances that we have made with our partners, that we are able to drive down that risk in aneffective way so we will not see impacts. >> thank you so much. right now in a pittsburgh courtroom, jurors are hearing closing arguments in a trial for the man accused of the worst anti-semitic attack in american history. the shooting by alleged shooter robert bowers at the tree of life synagogue, killing 11 worshipers and injuring seven more. yesterday, jurors heard an emotional final testimony from the prosecutor's last witness, a worshiper shot and watched her 97-year-old mother die while on the phone with 911. bowers, who faces 63 separate charges, including hate crimes and a possible death sentence,

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one of the lesser noticed supreme court decisions that came down today could have significance for jack smith's ongoing investigation into former president trump. the court in a unanimous decision ruled federal criminal defendants who are tried and convicted in the wrong state or district can be retried in the correct venue without triggering double jeopardy rules that could vacate a conviction. joining me now is former u.s. attorney joyce vance. joyce, we believe that the fear before this ruling came down that that could happen is why jack smith took the chance of going to miami instead of washington, among other reasons. where he perhaps would have a less experienced judge on classified documents and maybe not as favorable a jury.

he was more secure that most of the allegations of obstruction happened in mar-a-lago, in florida, not in d.c. going forward, could this be significant if he decides to bring more charges involving, let's say, bedminster, new jersey? >> yeah. i think this case was always lurking in the background of this decision about where to indict the former president, because prosecutors knew that if this case had gone the other way, there was a split in the circuits, which is why the supreme court took it, had it gone the other direction, it could have been if they picked the wrong venue, even if they got a conviction, there could have been a successful challenge on appeal and then they would have been out of court. now, of course, the supreme court has ruled and they have said that if you get a conviction in the wrong venue, you can retry your case in the correct venue. that wasn't the only thing that motivated the decision to bring this case in florida.

prosecutors are supposed to pick the correct venue to charge in. that's the venue where the criminal conduct occurred. florida is clearly a superior venue here. it is possible that you could make an argument for the district of columbia, but no one really wants to win a criminal conviction and just have to retry the case in another location. >> andrew weissmann, our colleague, your colleague, is now -- has a news story exploring the possibility that jack smith might bring charges in new jersey. it was notable that a number of incidents that were suggested involving new jersey, did not appear in the charges in that indictment. >> yeah. this is a fascinating notion. i would push back against the idea that they would be doing this because of the choice of judge cannon. it may just be that for venue purposes they believe that bedminster charges need to be brought in new jersey. it was only ten days ago or so

that we learned that there was even consideration of filing this case in florida. we don't really know what else jack smith is planning. so i think there's the option that there could be additional charges in new jersey. possibly in d.c. we just don't know at this point. it's intriguing. >> joyce vance, thank you so very much. we appreciate it. a grand jury has indicted a 24-year-old marine veteran in connection with the chokehold death of jordan neeley in may. stephanie gosk has been following the story. she has the latest. >> penny was charged with second degree manslaughter last month. the d.a.'s office has a grand jury's approval to move forward in a case that has drawn national attention. a manhattan grand jury has indicted daniel penny, the veteran who choked a homeless man to death on a new york city

subway. the 24-year-old is facing a charge of second degree manslaughter. in videos released sunday by his legal team, he says he was defending himself and others on a subway last month when he put 30-year-old jordan neeley in a chokehold because he said he was acting aggressively. he had a history of mental illness. >> i knew i had to act. i acted in a way that would protect the other passengers, myself and protect mr. neeley. >> reporter: he had been harassing passengers on the train before the altercation. >> the three main threats he repeated over and over was, i'm going to kill you, i'm prepared to go to jail to life and i'm willing to die. >> reporter: the marine veteran said he was only trying to restain him, not kill him. >> i used this to restrain him. irestrain him, and i did this by leaving my hand on top of his head to control his body. you can see in the video there's a clear rise and fall of his chest indicating he was still breathing. >> reporter: but when first responders arrived neely was unconscious. he was later pronounced dead at

a hospital from what the medical examiner ruled compression of the neck. at the time penny was only questioned by police and released. leading to widespread protests across the city until his arrest nearly two weeks later. in a new statement lawyers for the neely family say penny's indictment is the right result for the wrong he committed. adding "any reasonable person knows choking someone for that long will kill them" and that daniel penny "did not have the right to be the judge, jury and executioner." attorneys for penny say they are confident a jury will find that his actions on that train were fully justified. as the controversial chokehold case now heads toward trial. if convicted penny could face up to 15 years in prison. for now it's unclear if the grand jury voted to indict penny on any additional charges. typically, the full indictment would not be unsealed until his next court date, which is in july. back to you. >> stephanie gosk. our thanks to you. and daniel penny will be back in court for his arraignment on june 28th.

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expectancy for patients fighting the deadliest form of brain cancer. a major development in the broader fight against cancer. nbc's anne thompson joins me now with this possible breakthrough. anne, this is really extraordinary. this could, you know, affect people with that awful glioblastoma, i think you pronounce it. >> that's exactly how you pronounce it, andrea. what makes glioblastoma so deadly is that even when you go through the standard of care, which is surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation, the doctors will tell you they can't get all the cancer and there are microscopic cells left behind. and as a result glioblastoma almost always comes back. well, this vaccine, this experimental vaccine called survaxm, targets -- its goal is to keep those microscopic cancer cells from growing again. they're trying to delay the growth. and in delaying the growth

they're extending life expectancy. >> it's what, 14 to 16 months for traditional treatment for glioblastoma. >> that's right. >> now you're giving them 28 months, maybe 30 months. what is it like to give someone that extra time? >> this is a very exciting thing for me. >> yeah. and the doctor there for 25 years has given people grim news. now he's telling them they could have extra time, andrea, to perhaps attend a wedding, go to a graduation, maybe see a grandchild. those are big life events and they mean everything for people who have this dead. >> absolutely. the vaccine is far from full approval. you know the process. but what is the timeline that researchers are at least hoping for? >> we are talking years here. it is currently in what is called a phase 2b trial in more

than ten hospitals across the country. that's a small randomized trial. if the results are good there, then they move on to the phase 3 trial, which is a larger version of that trial. and then they have to ask for fda approval. but this may give us a clue as to the future of how to deal with this -- with glioblastoma and perhaps this vaccine which targets this protein that keeps cancer cells alive. they think by killing that protein you can kill the cancer cells, and that's what's making the difference. andrea? >> and could that potentially mean getting vaccines that could target the proteins of other kinds of cancers? >> they are looking at multiple myeloma. they are also looking at children's brain tumors because this protein that the vaccine targets is on 90% of cancer cells. the implications could go beyond

glioblastoma. >> anne thompson, thank you so much. to end on a hopeful note tonight. >> yes. >> or today. thank you. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember, follow the show online on facebook and on twitter @mitchellreports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters p new york city. could it all have been avoided? new reporting that donald trump had plenty of chances to keep him from becoming the first ex-president to face federal criminal charges. so why didn't he take them? plus, unseasonably nasty summer storms all across the south triggering floods and sending hailstones the size of baseballs crashing into homes and cars. nearly 100,000 people are without power and the worst may be yet to come.