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each other advice or job recommendations for the teachers looking to change districts or schools. the texas education agency, sort of the equivalent of their department of education measures the attrition rate, and they have seen this spike in teachers leaving the field, but they haven't come out and made major statements on behalf of teachers or directly defended them when these kind of cases or accusations have come out. when i hear from teachers is they want to see more officials come up, speak on their behalf and help them be able to stay in the careers that they loved. >> antonia hilton, thank you so much for your reporting. we appreciate it. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." andrea will be back on tuesday. follow the show online, and on facebook, and on twitter@mitchellreports, and you can find me @ryannobles with one
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n. "chris jansing reports" starts now. good day, guilty on all cobs, robert bowers convicted on all charges how the community that lost 11 members is reacting now. we'll have the very latest coming up. plus, as donald trump rails against the government for seizing his classified documents, we're learning more about what his staff calls a beautiful mind connection to those piles of boxes at mar-a-lago. and this is all that's left of perrytown, texas, much of that town wiped off the map by a tornado. right now, more than 50 million americans are at risk of severe weather from florida to west of denver. we'll have the details and the forecast coming up. but we start with breaking news out of pittsburgh, where a
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jury just took just five hours to convict robert bowers. 11 people were shot and killed resulting in 63 federal charges against bowers, including federal hate crimes. he was convicted on every single one. up next will be the sentencing phase which will include the possibility of the death penalty. let's bring in nbc's george solis in pittsburgh. andrew weissmann served as fbi general counsel and is also an msnbc legal analyst. george, what more can you tell us about this verdict? >> reporter: yeah, good afternoon, chris. it really comes as no surprise to the people of this community. this is what they expected. this is what they anticipated. in many cases, this was open and shut as far as the evidence, robert bowers went to the tree of life synagogue to carrying out this heinous attack. in the courtroom, you could hear a pin drop. that's how quiet it was when the verdict was being read allowed. robert bowers carefully sat there listening as each one of
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these count was read aloud. you have members of the congregation who were there listening. obviously this has been so harrowing to relive this. members of the congregation that were there, members that knew some of the victims that died on that day. for many, this was heartbreaking to hear, even though this is what they were looking for. they wanted some semblance of justice. their hearts broke, many of them breaking down, many of them crying throughout the course of this trial. some i spoke with said they will never be able to address the accused shooter by name. he will always remain the shooter. the prosecutor laying out a pretty strong case throughout this entire eleven-day portion of the guilt phase of the trial, reminding jurors that robert bowers didn't turn himself in because it was the right thing to do, he did it because he ran out of ammunition. defense trying to raise concerns about his intent and motivation saying he did this because of his views on immigration. the prosecution with their rebuttal saying, look at what he did, he didn't go to the border. he didn't go to a refugee camp.
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he went to the tree of life synagogue on that day and opened fire on those 11 worshippers and also injured a number of police officers. one who testified provided gripping testimony during this portion of the trial. as you mentioned, this now moves to the sentencing phase. this is going to take place or at least start a week from monday, and of course now the question remains whether or not robert bowers will get the death penalty, chris. >> andrew, this was an incredibly quick decision. the jury got the case yesterday afternoon. they deliberated for about 2 1/2 hours then, another 2 1/2 this morning. what's your reaction to the verdict and how fast it was reached? >> i think there are two comments. a lot of times defense counsel in cases like this understanding how much evidence there is in what's called the guilt phase, as opposed to the sentencing phase, they don't really do much in terms of making an argument because they're putting all of their chips into the sentencing
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phase. and they don't want to be making arguments and saying things which have really no chance at all because they're really trying to save someone's life, and that's where they really have to make their best arguments. so in an unenviable position just as a matter of being defense counsel. what's going to happen now and what arguments might they make about his childhood, his mental state, those things, because the crime itself is horrific. and the second point is this just points out how hard it is to deter and prevent lone wolf actors who can become radicalized online. they can be triggered by the irresponsible rhetoric of there's people speaking about things that are either dog whistles or even worse, direct,
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you know, solicitation of this kind of behavior. i mean, not just anti-semitism, which is horrendous, but, you know, racism, sexism, xenophobia, and it's really hard for law enforcement to detect and prevent these kinds of lone wolf actors which means it's just that much more important for people to be very careful about their rhetoric so they reduce the risk of things as horrendous as this from recurring. >> i want to bring in erica strasburger, he district includes the tree of life synagogue. thank you so much for being with us today. this happened to your neighbors, to your constituents, to you, your community. i notice that michael bernstein, chair of the tree of life interim governance committee was one of the people who put out a statement and he characterized today as the start of a new hopeful chapter for the community. do you feel like this could be a new start?
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>> thank you for having me today. i couldn't agree more. there is no legal remedy that can remedy the loss inflicted by the gunman, and yet this is the close of one chapter and i hope the beginning of community healing that we can see among those closest to the attack, the survivors, family members, the jewish community in pittsburgh and worldwide, and those who live in pittsburgh and were impacted by this terrible event. >> can you help people to understand what this has been like? and as people consider, okay, here we have another shooting. here we have another horrific act of anti-semitism, the problem is we move on, right? as a nation, we move on. frankly, as journalists, that story is over, we keep going. but it stays where it happened. tell us what it has been like there. >> what i've witnessed is
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incredible courage and community. you know, the trial was really a test of the courage of those who were closest to this attack. those who testified, congregants, survivors, family members, public safety officials, those who were there the day of the shooting and could testify and attest to the horror and the tragedy of it were truly remarkable, and i'm really grateful for them. and i really think that it brought up a lot of strong emotions. for those who were there in the courtroom or nearby, for those who were following along on the news, it brought a lot of strong emotions back up again, and i fully acknowledge that for some closest to that event, those emotions have been there all along, they never went away, and so truly hopeful that we can start to heal as a community and that individuals can continue
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their healing journey. >> obviously there is one more phase to this, and this next step is going to be difficult because some families have been divided over whether the death penalty is appropriate here. there are personal feelings, there are religious feelings, but i'm just wondering as we look at the big picture, do you feel like this is something that the community can continue to get through together? >> there's no way but working together. no community is a monolith. i would not expect for any one community to feel the same about something as consequential as capital punishment, and that said, i have no doubt that even those that might disagree on that very crucial point will continue to stick together and work together and grieve and heal together because that's all we can do. i have been grateful for the outpouring of support that pittsburgh and squirrel hill, our neighborhood here, has received over the last five years, and continues to receive
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throughout this trial, and i would hope for nothing less as we enter phase 2 of the trial. >> erika, we really do appreciate the time on what i'm sure is a very emotional day for everyone in that community. thank you so much for being with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. andrew, i want to pick up a little more, and you touched on it, about what's next, and i want to read part of what beth, the wife of the rabbi who survived the shooting wrote in the "new york times" in april. she said, quote, we believe the present day jewish tradition prohibits capital punishment. our community was targeted because of our religion. prosecutors should take its precepts into account as they decide how to secure justice for those we have lost. understanding this sentiment, does the law consider that, and if so, in what context? >> so you do actually in the department of justice, you do factor in the views of victims
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and what they are seeking, and that is actually under the law. there's a statute on that, and there's also under doj guidance. i'm not totally sure just on a personal level that i completely agree, even though i personally am just against the death penalty, no matter what the case is, but i'm not sure the analogy holds in terms of persecution. my family comes from -- i've had lots of family members that have been killed because of that persecution. but i'm not sure that that's a correct analogy to punishment in the legal system where a jury is imposing that. that obviously is not the tradition that is being referenced, the heinous tradition that's being referenced in that statement.
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but i do think that the role of victims and what they want is a factor. but the decision was already made by the department to seek the death penalty here, so i think at this point it's been considered and i have to say, rejected and it's going to be left to the jury. i should say, it is very hard to convince a federal jury to impose the death penalty. i've seen many many cases that are quite egregious where at least all you need is one juror to think that it's inappropriate, but there are some cases that are so egregious and so heinous, particularly ones like this where is appears that the crime was and is found to be motivated, at least in part, by the religion of the victims. so it remains to be seen what happens. >> let me ask you very quickly because many people are familiar in cases with victim impact
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statements and then that same moment, they come, they have their say, and then the judge makes the judgment. this is different, right, this is almost in some ways, would it be fair to say, almost like a separate trial? what will this look like, the death penalty phase? >> sure. so the government has to establish certain aggravating factors to the jury, and so that can include the number of victims, it can include the motivation that is their religion, and a series of factors, but then the defense can put on almost any and all evidence so there could be lots of information about his childhood, about abuse, about diminished capacity, like a whole variety of factors that would humanize the person, not
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excuse what the person did, that's what i was saying before, you should try to separate the guilt phase from the sentencing phase to get the jury to think of the person as a human being, and the fact that the person is not going to be let out. remember, if the jury decides against the death penalty, and that means that just one juror decides against the death penalty, that's sufficient, that the person is going to be in jail for the rest of their lives, and many people would think that might be a worse punishment than the death penalty. but essentially you have a bunch of aggravating factors and you have the defense putting together as many mitigating factors as possible, and as i said, it's a very very tough burden, and while it should be, because you are taking someone's life. >> andrew weissmann, thank you so much. stay with us because we're going to talk again in a moment. donald trump's aides called it his beautiful mind material, what we're learning about the former president and his attachment to boxes of papers now at the center of his federal indictment.
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there are big unanswered questions hanging over donald trump's latest indictment. why did he take those classified documents and why did he risk going to prison to hold on to them? new reporting indicates the former president was far more attached to what he called my boxes than he's publicly admitted. people familiar with the former president's behavior told "the new york times," quote, mr. trump was generally able to identify what was in the boxes most immediately around him. he could point to specific boxes that he wanted to take with him on air force one when he was traveling and declined to take others. appearing aware of the contents inside the boxes he chose. that reporting seems to undercut one of trump's frequently repeated defenses that he didn't really know what he had.
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>> i hadn't had a chance to go through all the boxes. it's a long, tedious job. takes a long time. when i was prepared to do, but i have a very busy life. >> at one point, the indictment quotes an egg referring to the boxes as the quote, beautiful mind papers. that's a reference to the movie about noble winning mathematician and schizophrenic john nash who covered his walls with papers and clippings. the phrase had a specific con notation, trump's aides used it to gather a type of organized chaos that trump insisted on, the collection and transportation of a blizzard of newspapers and official documents that he kept close and that seemed to give him a sense of security. i want to bring in nbc's justice reporter ryan reilly, andrew weissmann, symone sanders townsend, host of "symone" here
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on nbc. how important is it to establish that trump knew full well what was in these boxes? >> it is vital to the case. you have to be able to show that he knew that he was retaining information that was national defense information or classified documents. a typical defense when you're prosecuting somebody like a ceo, a senior official, is that they say, you know, i didn't know what my underlings were doing. i was not involved in those details. i delegate that had to others. and you know what, that could be a totally -- not just a defense, that could be the truth. so the government has to be able to show that the ceo in this case, donald trump, knew of the documents that are charged. by the way, his claim that he didn't go through all of the boxes, that might be true, but that's not what the government has to show. the government doesn't have to show that he went through every
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single box and knew, you know, everything about all the extraneous papers. it's just did he know about the documents that they have alleged have been charged, and so he didn't really give a total denial by just saying i don't go through all the boxes. but i think that the indictment lays out a lot of evidence that the former president was really maniacal about control and going through the boxes personally. and so i think that if they can show that at trial, that will be quite a devastating piece of evidence for the government. >> so let's talk about the politics of this. i was reading an op-ed in the "wall street journal" by peggy noonan. she kind of argued against conventional wisdom. let me read a little bit of that to you. this story, meaning, you know, the indictment here, will do mr. trump no good with his supporters. it will hurt him. maybe not a lot, but some. maybe not soon, but in time.
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i mean, the quiet trump supporters, not the people making money on the game, but honest people. do you agree that there are elements of the right on the republican side who will see this as a bridge too far? >> yeah, i mean, chris, i think -- and ryan covers this and knows much better than i, but you look at the people who went to the capitol on january 6th and those of which who have been indicted and themselves been sentenced and they all say similar things when you look at the transcripts of the court records. they say i went because donald trump told me. i did not think i was doing something wrong. there's a range of things that people said. folks who are supportive of former president trump, they believe him, and i think part of the magic of his grift, if you will, is that people -- his supporters believe what he is saying. well, i think that every person who has supported former president trump or is looking at
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giving him support in the upcoming election should ask themselves the question, are they comfortable with being lied to? donald trump said the documents were his. he didn't do anything wrong, and now his tune has changed. we know that wasn't true. he said all of these things that are, in fact, not true. you know, if you are someone who believes in, you know, national security and keeping our nation's most precious documents safe, are you comfortable with how the former president of the united states so callously had them strewn about his home. >> so, ryan, let's bring up judge aileen cannon, she made her first ruling in this case. tell us what that's about? >> she wants to make sure all the lawyers on the case get cleared quickly so they can handle the classified documents matters. the question of what she's going to do in the long run is up for debate. i think this indicates she plans to move forward with it. we don't know what position the justice department is going to
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take on whether or not they're going to seek to get her off the case because of an appearance of impropriety. it's obviously a very unusual situation when you have somebody who, you know, was appointed by the defendant in the case, and also who got, you know, essentially really a lot of push back from the appeals court and was not able to substantiate the rulings that she previously made in connection with this case and was pushed back upon strongly by the appeals court there. the appearance here certainly isn't great, but it is rare for the justice department to make that sort of proclamation and say a judge isn't equipped to handle something. it just doesn't happen very often at all. i don't know what's going to happen here, but essentially, she's writing her obit. whatever is going to appear in her obituary in the 40 years she has left because she's a very young judge, that's what she's doing today. a lot of it matters, depend on if donald trump were to be reelected. donald trump's elected, she gets
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appointed to another spot, and then there's a path where this is all she'll be remembered for, in how she handled this case, and given how the appeals court thought she handled the previous process, that's something that has to be weighing on her. this is the most important moment for the country, and it's also very important for her legacy, and what history will remember of her as a judge. >> so, andrew, you have been up front, you thought she should recuse herself. do you take this, the fact that she has ruled on this, to mean that she's sticking with the case, and if so, what does that mean for jack smith, does he fight it? wait to see what other kinds of rulings she makes? what does he do now? >> i think the one thing you can take from the fact that she issued what's called a minute order yesterday is that she is not going to recuse herself. and i think it will be, as ryan
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said, extremely unusual if the department of justice were to move to have her recuse herself or to seek to appeal that at least at this point. i just don't suspect that they're going to do that for a whole variety of reasons. they were very aware, for instance, that there was a good possibility that they would get her as a judge, went in with eyes wide open. i think the appearance to the department of seeking to remove her, even though she has, as ryan noted, a very very checkered history in this very investigation, i think it's more likely that they're going to have a sort of wait and see approach, and to see whether she keeps the kinds of egregious mistakes she made in the past or whether she, you know, actually makes rulings that are more in the center lane, being fair to both sides. so suspect we'll see that. i will note that the short order she issued about what the parties are supposed to do, as a
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good sign in one sense that she does seem to be moving the case along. but i have to say, if i were one of the lawyers on either side, the government and the defense, it was a model of lack of clarity. it just did not make a lot of sense in terms of what it precisely, the parties were supposed to do. i do think it's a good sign in terms of her moving the case along, but it was not a great sign in terms of her level of experience, sort of showing in the way she handled it. but, again, that's not the worst sin. you know, at least she's moving the case along. >> so in the meantime, the republicans have been talking, criticizing, hitting everybody from the president, as you know, symone, to jack smith himself, to doj generally. nbc news has new reporting that some democrats are getting very frustrated with the president's decision to stay quiet. dan fifer, who you know from the obama years argues a little different version of that. he says, yes, go ahead, stay
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quiet, white house, but for every democrat not in the administration who stays quiet, that's a mistake, dan argues. do democrats need to amp up, kind of fill the void on the other side of trump and the republicans? >> yes, they absolutely do. look, this is not about random documents or bureaucratic process. this is about national security information, the rules that govern national security information and the violation of those rules and what it means. these documents, the exposure of them to various individuals can get people killed. and if the rules, the rules and the violation of these rules, the rules are just very important, and if we can't abide by the rules. if we do not agree that the sky is blue and it's sunny outside, if we do not agree it's raining when it's raining, we're in a very precarious play. democrats that are not the president of the united states of america need to step up and say something.
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this is bigger than a political back and forth. this goes directly to the heart of the matter, and that is our democracy. it goes to are we a country of rules, are we a mature democracy, as jon meacham was saying, or an immature democracy. >> thank you all very much. have a good weekend. catch symone weekends on nbc, and her episodes stream on peacock. in the first of what may be many instances in which donald trump's campaign and court calendar intersect, a judge has scheduled the start of e. jean carroll's second defamation trial for january 15th. that's right around the time that the republican primaries are set to kickoff in iowa. this second trial stems from a lawsuit carroll filed back in 2019 when she said then president trump defamed her by insisting that they are allegations of sexual assault were, quote, totally false. she amended the case earlier in week to include trump's remarks calling her a whack job on cnn.
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submerged roads in pensacola. here's what it looked like driving there last night. it's why emergency officials pleaded with people to stay off the roads, sending out alerts, warning residents to seek higher ground asap, and it doesn't look like relief from the weather will come anytime soon. recovery efforts in sweltering heat, we're talking triple digit heat indexes that could last for days. nbc meteorologist bill karins is here with me. what a mess, what are we expecting? >> this is like the summer months, heat waves, eventually hurricanes later in the summer. this is a spring weather pattern with these tornadoes and not to mention the flash flooding that we saw. pensacola got nailed. 16 inches of rain last night. that was amazing. the area of greatest concern right now, a line of strong thunderstorms heading through new jersey. it's south of new york city. went through philadelphia earlier. reports of wind damage, and 1 inch hail. looks like the strongest of the storms now is starting to head toward the beaches. hopefully everyone is clearing out quickly as storms are
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rolling in. wind damage and small hail is the biggest threat. we were watching the area here. we did have a tornado warning earlier. watching jackson, new jersey, and the thunderstorms right over the top there. be sure it is crowded and packed. the forecast for the rest of the day, we're going to watch strong storms developing from little rock to mississippi, all the way to the areas that were nailed three days in a row from mobile to pensacola, and panama city. d.c. southward, toward which he is -- chesapeake. anyone you know from eastern colorado, denver area, colorado springs, has been raining endlessly all spring long. the heat hasn't ended either. this is going through father's day weekend and into next week. it feels like 114 in corpus christi already. yesterday it felt like 120, when you combine the temperature and the humidity. it's very soupy air down along the gulf. yesterday, the dew point hit 80
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in dallas. if you know anything about dew points, that's like off the charts. chris, you get the idea. we're in for it. doesn't look like the weather pattern is going to shift through the holiday weekend. >> for father's day, it's a little too hot for the barbecues, unless you're cooking on the sidewalk. >> unless you want to do a sunrise barbecue. still ahead, playing spoiler, would a third-party candidate hand donald trump a second term. the latest on that next on "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. on that next on "cishr jansing reports" only on msnbc. ade's easy-to-use tools, like dynamic charting and risk-reward analysis help make trading feel effortless. and its customizable scans with social sentiment help you find and unlock opportunities in the market. e*trade from morgan stanley. with powerful, easy-to-use tools, power e*trade makes complex trading easier. react to fast-moving markets with dynamic charting and a futures ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you won't miss an opportunity. e*trade from morgan stanley
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a new twist in the 2024 race. the group no labels, which has come under heavy criticism for plans to back a third-party candidate is now promising to end its efforts if joe biden is way ahead next spring. one of the national chairs tells nbc news that no labels quote is not and will not be a spoiler in favor of trump in 2024. but it raises a question of just how much trouble a third party
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or alternative candidate could cause in the race. nbc's vaughn hillyard is on the byline of that story. you spoke with one of the heads of no labels. i want to know what does way ahead next spring mean? because folks who don't want trump to win argue it's hard to envision a race in 2024 that won't be close. so what's the group's strategy? >> reporter: chris, if you go back to 2016, gary johnson, jill stein, evan mcmullen, there were deep conversations and real conversations about the impact that those candidates had. they took up significant shares of the presidential vote. in arizona, for instance, more than 6% of the arizonians voted for third-party candidates. when you're looking at this election, that is of concern to democratic strategists, national democrats, and republicans critical of trump and the impact that a no labels ticket. you know, we don't even know the republican who would be on that
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unity ticket at this point. but we expect there to be a ticket. and the concern among democrats is when you look at the data that exists right now from 2020 was that folks who were not into biden and trump, they would attend, if they had to choose, biden. but if you have a viable third-party option, one that no label says is centrist and would represent bipartisanship, the concern among democrats is the voters would go in the direction of the no labels ticket, potentially spoiling it for joe biden and going to donald trump. the democratic chair of no labels, listen to his response. >> if we find the polls have changed and joe biden is way ahead and the person who the republicans may choose and if they continue to choose donald trump, even though he's been indicted, then no labels will stand down.
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because we're not interested in being the spoiler. we're not the enemy. in fact, we support our democracy. we support democrats and republicans working together. who would be against bipartisanship? >> reporter: and that's where dr. cha vis's response is new and important. he said no labels would end their effort if joe biden had a way out lead over donald trump come next spring before they formally choose who their unity ticket would be. this is, of course, you know, in the scenario, he did not say if it's a close race that they would drop their bid, but it's the first indication on the record that they would be open to ending their no labels effort but right now, it's still leaving a great many critics of trump, if he were to be the nominee, concerned. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you so much. also with us, tim miller, former communications director for jeb bush's 2016 campaign, a
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writer at large for the bulwark, and msnbc political analyst. first of all, hello, tim. >> hey, chris. >> this is what they wrote, quote, no presidential candidate has been way way ahead in march for about 40 years. a third-party bid with 20 times the budget of the jill stein campaign could absolutely hand trump a second term. you have been critical, to be fair, of no labels. what do you make of their promise? >> it doesn't make a lot of sense. i don't understand their promise. if joe biden was out way ahead, maybe it would make sense to have a third candidate. when it's close is what we're worried about. that's where no labels could be a spoiler. i think it's important to say, i am a moderate. i'm one of the people that the cochair was talking about that is for bipartisanship. i was a moderate republican, i have left the party over trump. i would support centrist candidates a lot of times, maybe
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even third-party candidates in senate and house races where it makes sense. it does not make sense in a race that donald trump is on the ballot. joe biden is the centrist choice if we get into a hypothetical place where it's joe biden and donald trump. so a centrist third-party candidate would be competing with the existing centrist choice in the race, joe biden, for vote share. you know, for a third-party ticket to actually be meaningful, they would have to take out of the biden vote share, excuse me, out of the trump vote share, and that's not what no labels is talking about. they're not talking about running a maga, cultural conservative third party, you know, ticket. and so anybody who they put up would go to hurt joe biden and all the data shows that. >> few third-party candidates have made a big dent. a lot of people do turn to 2000, when ralph nader won 97,000 votes just in florida, a state
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that al gore lost by 537 votes. in 2016, 6% of all voters cast ballots for third party and write-in candidates. i mean, what that tells us is that there's a lot of people like you, right? there's a significant number of americans motivated enough to vote, but not happy with the candidates there are. and i'm sure that there are a lot of others of those, probably in double digits, who feel the same way but decided to vote for, you know, one of the two main candidates. but i guess the bottom line is why shouldn't they have an alternative? >> yeah. well, i guess there are two points to that question. first on the political analysis. 2016 is a great example of the difference. donald trump wins in '16, loses in 2020. in 2020, the third-party vote share goes down to 2%. a big part of my people, who voted for evan mcmullen or gary johnson in a three-way race in 2016, in large part because they didn't think trump could win,
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ended up voting for biden in 2020, and that's what helped get biden over top in georgia and arizona. even somebody who only gets 4 or 5 points could be a spoiler, as well as if they want somebody to be represented. if this was an ideological divided race, right, where it's a ted cruz, a far right conservative against a bernie sanders, a far left liberal, then, yeah, maybe centrist voters deserve a third option. that's not what this is. this is a guy that tried a coup, threatening democracy against a middle of the road democrat, and so do these voters get the perfect person they want? no. but i think there's a clear choice if that's the two-person race that you end up getting. >> tim mill her, always good to see you. happy father's day, by the way. >> thank you, chris. >> thanks so much for being here. major developments involving the air national guardsman accused of leaking classified documents online. the new details revealed in the latest indictment. plus, president biden about to speak on the anniversary of
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i want to bring in nbc's julia ainsley who has been following this story for us. also with us, msnbc legal analyst, and former prosecutor, charles coleman. so julia, this is on top of the two charges, right, he was already facing right after his arrest. what new information have we found out from this indictment? >> chris, we've learned more about the time line in which he was obtaining that information and disseminating, as well as how serious of a penalty he could face. with these six charges, he could face up to 60 years in prison. we've also learned that this goes back as early as january of 2022. so for over a year, up until april of this year, he was obtaining classified information and disseminating it, starting with a small group on that online gaming platform, and then later to social media platforms, going on to twitter before he was finally stopped with that arrest in april, and from all of this, we've also learned that it wasn't just documents. it was also some of his handwritten notes that he took in meetings and took out of the
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room with him. sometimes taking pictures of documents on top of magazines, and then sending them out to this group really as a way to puff his chest, show everybody how he had firsthand experience with the nation's top security secrets and really knowing what war was all about. this was an online gaming platform, really centered around a love of guns. >> so attorney general merrick garland, charles, said in a statement that teixeira violated his oath by leaking material that could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to national security if shared. there was a story in "the washington post" where they talked to a friend of his who said he wasn't trying to hurt the government but he basically seemed to want to just show off his insider status, like here's what i know that you don't know. i'm the one who's on top of current events. but does why he did it matter? >> yes, and no. in the eyes of the law it is not going to matter. in the eyes of the jury, it might.
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and so that's one of the things that you have to consider if you're merrick garland and thinking about this prosecution, and how to approach it. under the law, the intent does not necessarily matter if it rises to the level that the law dictates, which according to the indictment, it seems as though it does. but in front of a jury, with that case being made to say, look, he didn't have any mal intent. this was not something he was trying to do to hurt the government, that may ultimately pull on the heart strings of some jurors in such a way they don't feel that the government has met its burden beyond a reasonable doubt, beyond the intent to get a commission. >> people want to know why, whether or not the law says they need to. >> you're going to stick around, we have some other things to talk about. julia ainsley, as always, thank you my friend, appreciate it. we'll see you, charles, later in the show. a luxury vacation that turned to tragedy. the family of one american couple found dead while vacationing in mexico speaking to nbc news. we have that next. to nbc news. we have th natext. a bend with a bump in your erection might be painful,
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an investigation is underway into the deaths of two americans. they were found in their hotel room in a luxury resort in mexico. nbc's miguel almaguer spoke to the family of one of those americans. >> this upscale resort just outside cabo san lucas is now the site of an investigation into the deaths of an american couple. >> it's just devastating. >> family members say 28-year-old abby lutz and her boyfriend, 41 john heathco were vacationing together at the resort. authorities saying two americans were found unresponsive inside their room by hotel staff at the rancho pescadero hotel. lutz's family says the couple started feeling ill after they arrived, and headed to the hospital to seek treatment. >> she got really sick, and they thought it was food poisoning. they spent the night with ivs,
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getting ivs and things and then they felt better. they went back to the hotel and spent the day at the pool. when they went to bed, i guess they didn't wake up. >> on a go fund me page, lutz's family writes, we have been told it was due to improper venting of the resort and could be carbon monoxide poisoning. >> they just thought it was food poisoning. they had no idea. none of us thought about that, you know, because you can't carbon monoxide. in a statement, out of an abundance of caution and respect for the families and all of those affects, we are refraining speculation about the cause. sadly deaths like these are far too common. in october, three americans appeared to have died from carbon monoxide poisoning in an upscale airbnb in mexico city, and last may, three u.s. tourists were found dead at a
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sandals resort in the bahamas, also killed by carbon monoxide poisoning. a tragedy in paradise for a young couple and the families they left behind. >> we love her. family, friends, love her so much. >> that was miguel almaguer reporting. we've got a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's get right to it. at this hour, breaking news out of the pittsburgh tree of life shooting trial. the gunman behind the deadliest anti-semitic attack in the u.s. found guilty on all 63 federal charges. and happening this hour, president biden set to speak on the one-year anniversary of a major gun safety bill. but with 296 mass shootings already this year, what's next in the fight? we'll bring you those remarks when they happen. us

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