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this. but this week we saw one of history's great split screen moments. on tuesday, at the exact same time that former president trump was being arraigned in florida not only were fake electors from trump's plot to overturn the 2020 election, not only were those fake electors testifying before special counsel jack smith's january six grand jury, but at the same moment congressional republicans were holding their own bizarro hearing about january 6th. at the exact same time a former president was arraigned on federal criminal charges related to unlawfully hoarding documents, witnesses were testifying in jack smith's other sprawling federal investigation into that same former president all the while that former president's congressional defenders were hard at work whitewashing the january 6th insurrection. all at the same time. that sort of wild convergence belongs in the history books. and while the arraignment and investigation of a former

president is clearly of utmost importance here, i think it is worth paying attention to the fake story from tuesday as well, the thing that was happening in congress. the witnesses for tuesday's january six hearing range from january 6th rioters all the way up to jeffrey clark. jeffrey clark, if you recall, was the person trump wanted to appoint as his acting attorney general in the final days of his administration so that jeffrey clark could declare the election stolen. so jeffrey clark and a bunch of january 6th rioters, that was the focus of this thing in congress. the hearing opened with a video that was edited like a news reel from the start of a horror film with distorted colors and a creepy soundtrack, and it suggested that january six was actually inside job perpetrated by the deep state. but here is the thing about this, it wasn't a real hearing.

this hearing was chaired and i am using vocal air quotes there, florida congressman matt gaetz, who is not actually the chair of a congressional committee. but on tuesday he pretended he was, he brought in his witnesses and used all the formal lingo and told the people that they were recognized, their time had expired, they were also beside the point -- this was just something that matt gaetz was doing on his own in the hope that someone somewhere would pay attention to this. >> all of the testimony for today and off the record will be available for members to submit for the official record of the house we are going to proceed with the second round, we are going to be doing the gentleman from georgia on the scene. this has been a highly productive endeavor, we stand adjourned. >> we stand adjourned.

it was like model un, but instead of highschoolers mocking up the hearing on the crisis in kashmir it was matt gaetz and a bunch of maga celebrities trying to gaslight the public. the fake hearing they are trying to convince the public that the insurrection was actually an fbi plot in the real victims here are the rioters. this was the republican playbook in action. going out of their way to turn the focus on the investigators instead of trump and his allies. which is, by the way, exactly the strategy they used in this other news story that you may have missed this week. this wednesday, house republicans failed to get enough votes in the republican -controlled house to censure democratic congressman adam schiff. 20 republicans joined democrats

in killing that effort. i kid you not, the reason house republicans wanted to formally censure schiff was for his role in investigating and impeaching former president trump. another attempt to distract from trump's very real legal peril here. by pointing the finger at a democrat. and in this case that democrat was congressman adam schiff. the congresswoman who introduced that censure resolution said today that she plans to reintroduce a revised version of it soon even though it failed the first time because why not, just keep trying. and this playbook, which we have seen time and time again, in fact we've seen it multiple times just this week, this playbook is, of course, being used when it comes to trump's indictment in the mar-a-lago documents case. the new york times today tracked every single response to trump's indictment by republicans in the house and senate. more than half of those republicans have made some sort

of statement about it. a small number have taken the indictment seriously but the majority of them have not at least 100 of them questioned the fairness and the timing of the indictment itself implying that the investigators here are the ones who have been up to no good. and that includes people like republican house speaker kevin mccarthy. now biden's leading political opponent has been indictment and call it a double standard that he swear what he would investigate. then there about another hundred republicans that went one step further, attacking special counsel jack smith and the justice department's motivations directly. like majority leader steve scalise who said the justice department has been weaponized and that this is just all political persecution. but leading the pack of this group of people are nearly two dozen elected officials saying stuff like this, senator ted cruz compared joe biden to

stalin. colorado congresswoman lauren boebert called it a witch hunt and a sham and others like arizona congressman andy biggs called for the dismantling of the department of justice altogether. so they are blaming president biden, they are blaming the department of justice, they are blaming the special counsel jack smith. it's all corrupt, they're all corrupt, it's all corruption. yet again, republicans are pointing the finger at the investigators, the ones looking into russia and january 6th and mar-a-lago, and they are pointing them at anyone but trump himself. joining me now is staff writer mark leibovich. thank you for joining me, i heard about this for congressional hearing led by matt gaetz and i said there is literally one person i want to talk to about this and his name is mark leibovich. the point of this, mark, seems to be the point of the republican party in congress right now, which is theater. the theater is the point.

it doesn't really seem like the governing or the policy is the point. the theater seems to be the point. how do you assess matt gaetz's tomfoolery this week? >> i mean it's theater but it's really amateur theater. i was looking at those clips and it's right out of wayne's world. it's aurora public access television like down to the bad lighting and the sort of forced applause. the other part of this is they're not really good at it. it looks more pathetic and laughable except when you do sort of force shell to step back and say whether this is about and realize it's really sad, it's really dangerous. especially when you have, the thing that's hardest for me to get my head around and to accept is the people who know better. yes there are a lot of people in congress who don't take their jobs particularly seriously and don't think very highly of their voters, their electors, because they had

insult them every step of the way. the ted cruzes, the josh hauleys, the kevin mccarthy's of the world all know better. i guarantee you if you were to put an open mic or some kind of recording device on every single one of these people for like an hour after they stop their show trials and stuff you would hear them just sort of expressing some kind of self loathing, self-awareness, just laughter over what they are doing. they all know what they are doing. that's really sad and it's really dangerous. but unfortunately it's the world we are living in and it's the gop that we are all sort of watching. >> as amateur as it is and how transparently false the accusations are, the problem with it i think that is most distressing is this notion that somehow january six was an inside job.

somehow the institution that needs to be looked at is the department of justice, the fbi, the investigators. all of this trickles up. the groundwater in some ways gets poisoned in events like this and then works its way on to fox news and then sooner or later you have people vying for the republican presidential nomination parroting slightly a more sanitized version of the wackadoodle theories that matt gaetz is floating in his fake hearing. a get what you are saying about the force of it all but i think it has real implications. and i guess i wonder. you talk to these republicans, i think they know what they are saying is false but there seems to be no man of shame in it. just because it becomes effectively republican orthodoxy. >> that's what it is.

you can sort of see that cast into sharper leave every time any one of them as asked did you actually read the indictment. they said i don't have time to, or it's tainted to begin with, why should i waste my time. this is not a serious inquiry, obviously. again i do think they know what they are doing and that's the sad part of it because the other thing is it's not exactly in their self interest. it doesn't seem to be a political strategy that's working in any way shape or form. if anything as they farther down the rabbit hole which seems to be the only direction they know at this point they get deeper and deeper into a narrative that really can't be sustained if it ever was sustainable. they might be in safe seats, ted cruz might certainly be the favorite to win reelection next year in texas but it certainly doesn't help the overall argument and also, by the way, if you look at some of the surveys around here i think it was as recline, david leonhardt said today that republican polling is actually moving in the direction where more people on the right are actually recognizing that donald trump

has done some serious things wrong. well it still might not be a majority it actually is quite significant to the overall scheme of things. the direction is not favorable for them. >> i can't square the idea that some republicans understand that trump is done something wrong but also think the joe biden's politically persecuting his enemies. that line that biden is somehow want to be dictator and is intent on punishing trump seems to be pretty sticky. republican seem to be embracing that and i kind of wonder whether you think what the white house could and should do about the. because thus far it's stay out of it, don't say anything, don't have democrats respond to this, don't even talk about the indictment. and i wonder what you think of the wisdom of that strategy? >> i think the white house moved to a somewhat more aggressive posture this week, especially around the fox news stuff. someone mentioned earlier that

it finds its way onto fox news. it's like they have to work to put it on fox news. someone voluntarily put it on and said want to be dictator -- the white house press team and andrew bates and everyone have sort of jumped on this and been much more vocal and frontal in saying this won't stand. . i don't know if it goes further than that but clearly they realize it's a problem and also it shouldn't be not called on. -- a king, a dictator who is at old and didn't want to go campaigning. now they are saying he's a wannabe dictator.

but in terms of general personality and disposition i feel like that's a stretch to say that somehow joe biden, a very known quantity in american politics is a want to be dictator, it's like go back to the drawing board may be on that one. >> it's hard to be so addled and out of it, the messaging isn't exactly consistent but joe biden does not make a terribly convincing wannabe dictator. this guy is a political life or. this is someone who is familiar, you can go after him on any number of things but this seems like a bit of a stretch and you are right, i don't think it's working. >> we will see, we've got time to go, mark leibovich, staff writer at the atlantic, thank you for spending your friday night here, mark, appreciate it. >> thanks. >> when we come back, new clues to special counsel jack smith's strategy as the prosecution of former president trump moves

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unsealed charging donald j trump with felony violations of our national security laws, as well as participating it a conspiracy to obstruct justice. to that end, my office will seek a speedy trial on this matter and we very much look

forward to presenting our case to a jury of citizens in this southern district of florida. >> from the moment special counsel jack smith announced charges against donald trump he made it very clear that he is aiming for a speedy trial. the first sign of that was during trump's arraignment on tuesday where the special counsel didn't demand any conditions for trump's release. no cash bail, no handing over his passport, no travel restrictions. in other words, mr. trump is basically free to go into whatever as long as he promises to show up for his hearings and doesn't commit any crimes or possibly any other crimes. that decision, not to impose restrictions on the former president who's facing 37 felony counts, that decision surprised a lot of people including the judge overseeing the initial proceedings, judge jonathan goodman. judge goodman actually ended up going against the recommendations of both parties

and imposed his own rules on trump, what he called some additional special conditions. those special conditions now prohibit trump from discussing the case with his personal aide and his alleged coconspirator walt nauta, orwith any other witnesses are victims on our list that will be provided by the government. now all of this, including judge goodman's role, all of this has prompted many experts to ask why exactly jacks mitt is not being tougher on trump. is it because he's a former president? is it some sort of double standard? is this just the way things get done when you have a former president in court? >> today the times reports that the lack of constructions here could be a part of the special counsel's strategy to speed up the process by avoiding distracting fights and political sensitivities and also to let the indictment speak for itself. quote, mr. smith's decision not to demand any conditions of the arraignment reflected a belief

that prosecutors should avoid impairing mr. trump's ability to campaign. smith is also seeking to dodge potentially distracting elements to a case focused on concrete evidence about the former president's handling of classified documents, and efforts to obstruct government efforts to reclaim them. so jack smith trying to keep things focused and moving forward, which also informs a motion that the special counsel filed a few hours ago. a motion for a protective order saying the government is ready to provide unclassified discovery to trump's lawyers. so buckle up. and then there is this little interesting tidbit in that document. the motion protects against unauthorized disclosure of materials because they include information pertaining to ongoing investigations. the disclosure of which could compromise those investigations

and identify uncharged individuals. ongoing investigations. i have questions. joining me now to answer them arejoyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama and john fishhook, former u.s. attorney for virginia. thank you both for being here tonight, it's great to see you. john, can i just ask you whether this little, what i call spicy nugget in the latest filing, stuck out to you as it did to me? this notion of ongoing investigations and what exactly the special counsel's office might be referring to. >> that interesting, alex, and thanks for having me back on the show. i think that is very interesting and obviously that can be focused on the january 6th, that can be other folks related to the classified documents. i think it would be the classified documents, it would mean that there are separate indictments. i think they want to keep the trump indictment separate if

they've got that on the fastest trying to get on. jack smith is laser focused on moving the classified documents case forward. that motion today shows he's following by the book, he's not deferring too much to former president trump. it's by the book. he's focused on the things that matter. they definitely matter about the bond with former president trump, he's going to show, we know what he looks like. but i think jack smith is laser focused on moving the case forward on the things that matter and that shows you he doesn't want the evidence getting leaked out. >> joyce i want to ask you about the speed with which jack spent this pursuing all of this. but i would like to get your thoughts on the idea that the special counsel is worried the disclosure of some of this material may affect an ongoing investigation. does that at all suggest to you that there might be more indictments coming as john i think just suggested, in the mar-a-lago documents case? or do you see that as potential witnesses that are key to both the mar-a-lago and the january six investigation? >> so prosecutors tend to be very deliberate in their choice of words and what strikes me here is the use of the portal

investigations. it suggests that there could be additional cases, they are directly saying that there could be additional defendants. and the interesting question here i think the intrigue is are we talking about bedminster, are we talking about a case in d. c.? are we talking about additional people involved in mar-a-lago or perhaps in the packing up of these documents from d. c. before the move down? this is sort of a wide open question at this point, based on this pleading. i think it can be dangerous to try to read the tea leaves when you can't see much of the middle. and here we don't really have much to go on. but it's clear that the special counsel is looking at, if not additional cases, then additional individuals. it is important that jack smith has put forward this sort of a protective order so quickly. this is the first wave of discovery in this case, this is the unclassified. though there will be entirely

separate proceedings to deal with classified material. this is this notion that we've already seen service in manhattan. that this is not a defendant who can be trusted with information about other people 's finances. information that's on other people's phones. with the confidential information of witnesses. is that because he's just untrustworthy in general or because there are concerns about witness intimidation? again, we don't know for certain, but it seems likely that there are legitimate concerns about witness intimidation and the most interesting thing about this protective order is that the trump team did not fight it. it is a consent motion, they have agreed that it's necessary in this case. >> do you have an inference to make about why trump wouldn't fight this? or his defense team wouldn't fight this, given the applications that you just outlined? >> i think the reason that you don't fight it is because you know it's not going anywhere and this is so interesting because trump is always combative, always tell us his lawyers to fight things.

it looks like the lawyers may perhaps have prevailed upon the former president to let this one go. they may have said this is going to be entered in any event because of the nature of so much of this information and maybe it is just that because the special counsel says this is sensitive information even though it's not classified it may reveal for instance sources and methods of collection which the government protected vigorously but there is always this leaning implication with trump and particularly when we see the allegations and the indictment about how he tried to persuade his lawyers, it's tough to believe the protective order wasn't always going to be rain here. >> john, do you have a sense just given the fact that i think yesterday judge cannon filed a motion asking trump's lawyers to contact the doj regarding their security clearances so they can sort of get started on effectively

checking out all this evidence. does that indicate to you that this could possibly be a speedy trial? the one that special counsel smith actually wants? >> i think it does, alex. i think that judge cannon jumped right on it right away and said look, why don't you guys get your clearances done so that we can start handing this evidence out and start looking through it. remember, i think she wants to move things and i think it went well for doj with -- there were appeals to the 11th circuit but remember the whole fiasco with the special master that the trump team went four and a lot of their efforts in front of her put up or shut up about declassified documents went nowhere. and i think that she's going to want to move this case. i think it's a good thing that a trump appointed judge has this case. he's getting all the due process, all the fairness that he could possibly want. jack smith has got incredibly strong case. i think is going to make an effort to move it quickly, with alacrity. but he wants to make sure that all of the process favors the

former president, so that if there is a guilty verdict and i expect there will be there can be any complaints about it. >> joyce i have got to ask you there's new reporting from the wall street journal tonight that is raising eyebrows at least, the team that put the show together including myself. i will quit with the wall street journal reports in this is about special counsel summits other investigation into january 6th. this is talking about witnesses who testified in front of a grand jury. questions directed at some of those testifying in a postelection investigation have been wide-ranging, leading some of the come to. smith's team was gathering for a report rather than any specific indictment. do you have a reaction to that, joyce? >> so it's interesting reporting. like you, i have questions. i want to know who the witnesses are, is this something that someone said to them, or are they just

speculating? intercourse when you consider the source that this is coming from folks in the trump camp perhaps they want to protect this image that there won't be indictments. but that said, a special counsel -- the mueller report the special counsel did write a voluminous report, of course in that case trump was then the president and doj policy constrain them. based on the evidence that we have seen today and the witnesses that special counsel appears to be. it would be surprising if no one was charged in connection with january 6th. prosecutors often pursue a strategy where they indict some folks they have a solid case against and then they flipped them and move up the chain. it's tough to believe that smith would back off of a target like trump, the one who of course you have to believe that you have to be looking for evidence of his involvement in

january 6th. then to just walk away from that without making some sort of effort with lower level witnesses seems very unlikely. >> joyce vance says -- john fishwick, thank you for making the time really appreciate it. we have still more to come this evening the long and twisted saga of a former new york city police commissioner turned convicted felon turned trump world hanger on, named bernie kerik. there is a new twist if you can believe it, that is next. and later, after minneapolis police officer derek chauvin was convicted of the murder of george floyd, the justice department took a long and hard look at the minneapolis police department and what they uncovered is coming stay with us.

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rudy giuliani was the leading candidate for the republican presidential nomination. it is almost hard to imagine now but rudy giuliani was at the time considered a serious

candidate and was leading john mccain nationally by double digits. and it was around that time that things started to tilt away from america's mayor starting with a scandal involving one of his old friends. >> regionally on a today asked voters not to judge him by his mistakes, including failing to thoroughly check out longtime friend, protegee, and business partner bernard kerik. >> when you are mary of new york you make 100,000 decisions. some of them you make wrong. >> he spoke as kerik is expected to face federal criminal charges in new york tomorrow. prosecutors have alleged he took gifts from a company with reputed organized crime ties well in charge of new york city 's prisons and help the company try to get a city license. >> rudy giuliani's longtime friend in new york city police commissioner bernie kerik had just been indicted on corruption charges including tax fraud, obstruction of justice and lying to the white house. >> -- bernie kerik had become a prominent figure in the bush administration, but that all came crashing down after the

fbi charged bernie kerik in that corruption case. he would eventually plead guilty to eight felony counts. the trial of bernie kerik was kind of a big mess full of oddly familiar storylines and characters who you might recognize. for instance, at one point kerik sued one of his lawyers for turning on him and becoming a witness for the prosecution. that lawyer was future trump attorney joe tacopina. the man who represent kerik in that case against tacopina was another future trump lawyer tim parlatore. because i guess there are only like five guys who do criminal defense law for corrupt republicans and you just kind of have to cycle through them. anyway, that should've been the moment that bernie kerik disappeared from public life. but there are nothing but second acts in republican politics so bernie kerik did not go away. he reinvented himself again and again, at one point in the middle of his legal battle, kerik became an uncredited extra on the hit bravo reality show real housewives of new jersey when he showed up to

train one of the housewives'dogs. that actually happened. kerik patched things up with his old pal giuliani and became another shadowy figure in the trump world. that was on 2020 bernie kerik from self on the receiving end of a pardon from then president donald trump and now we may have learned just how bernie kerik intended to turn that favor with what one might call the opportunity of a lifetime. new emails released in an ongoing defamation case against rudy giuliani reveal that in december of 2020, bernie kerik approached trump's chief of staff, mark meadows, with an offer. bernie kerik told mark meadows that he had a plan for how to help trump overturn the election results by pressuring state legislators in by sending figure lectures who would then backed trump. there is just one thing bernie

kerik needed--a big pile of money quoting from kerik's emails meadows we are estimating it's going to run between five and 8 million with all due respect we don't want the campaign counts people involved. there's only one thing that's going to move the needle and forced legislators to do what they are obligated to do and that is apply pressure. it does not appear that bernie kerik ever got the five to 8 million dollars to go through with his plan. but we do know that the trump team did engage in a major effort to get states to send those fake electors to washington d. c. and these new emails show us just how important that idea had become to the people around donald trump at the time. but maybe more importantly these new emails show us how much the trump cinematic universe is at its core basically a bunch of grifters looking for the next payout. there is no reason to believe convicted felon bernie kerik had any special magic to make state legislators throw the election for trump. and no indication of why in the world he needed five to $8 million to do it.

when you base your plot to abandon election on a big lie and you surround yourself with known liars and con artists to carry it out you really can't be that surprised when they start trying to get a little piece of that action themselves. . >> when we come back, the damning results of an investigation into the minneapolis police department in the wake of george floyd's murder. stay with us. . if we want a more viable future for our kids, we need to find more sustainable ways of doing things. america's plastic makers are investing billions of dollars in new technologies and creating plastic products that are more recyclable. durable. and dependable. our goal is a cleaner, healthier planet for generations to come. for a better tomorrow, we're focused on making plastics better today. [bones cracking]

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car carrying four somalia american teens, one officer told the teens, quote, do you remember what happened in black hawk down? when we killed a bunch of your folk? i'm proud of that. we didn't finish the job over there. if we had, you guys wouldn't be over here right now. as everybody no doubt knows, this is a reference to the 1990s raid by american special forces in mogadishu. >> that was merrick garland this morning sharing a very disturbing anecdote included in the findings of the justice department's two-year investigation into the minneapolis police department. the doj launched its review in the wake of george floyd's death and the murder conviction of derek chauvin, the minneapolis police officer who kneeled on floyd's neck and killed him. today, in a damning 89-page

report, the justice department accused the minneapolis police department of rampant use of excessive force, unlawful discrimination, and violations of constitutional rights. here are more of the shocking examples of the abuses they discovered. in a review of 19 shootings from january 2016 to august of last year, investigators found, quote, a significant number of them were unconstitutional uses of deadly force. at times officers shot at people without first determining whether there was an immediate threat of harm to the officers or others. the report recounts the story of a woman who was shot and killed by an officer who was reportedly spooked when she walked up to his car to report a possible sexual assault. investigators say officers policing practices change depending on the neighborhood they found thmesleves in. quote, npd stops black and

native american people patrols differently depends depending on the racial composition of the neighborhood, without a legitimate related safety rationale. investigators also found that many minneapolis police officers failed to take seriously the health complaints of the people they arrested. quote, we found numerous interests instances in which officers responded to a person's statement when they could not breathe with a version of, you can't breathe, you're talking right now. you may recall the george floyd's last words were, i can't breathe. joining us now is phillip atiba goff, the chair of african american studies and a professor of psychology at yale. he's also cofounder of the center for policing equity. doctor, thank you for being here tonight. i feel like it's always a dark moment in america when we have these conversations, but i guess at this point maybe it shouldn't be striking, the animus, the deep seated hatred some of these officers have for the community that they are supposed to protect. what did you make of this report? >> it's ugly. if it doesn't shock your

conscience then you've been looking at too much that's dirty for the soul. it should feel shocking and disgusting and ugly. what i meant in the report was that it looks that looks like thank goodness for president for clark and the good women, men, and number nary folks in the special litigation units the do thankless work that do this possible that allow us to read this stuff. but also thanks to the men, women, and nonbinary folks in the minutes of a human rights department that did a very similar report and also lead to a negotiated consent to create back in the state back in march. i'm glad these kind of things are available to communities that need something like remedy after all of this ugliness. but the thing that strikes me the most is that i'm hearing people talk about, well, this is some measure of justice, some measure forward, without considering the scale of the

problem. it's not just the ugly -ness of the incidents, but we have about 18,000 enforcement agencies across the united states and the u.s. government at best, when it was doing the most of these, under obama did about three investigations. here we get eight investigations open right now. you're not gonna get to 18,003 a year, and i've got to say, minneapolis, ugly and disgusting, we work there, i know that department very well. as agreeing as disgusting as parts of it are, it's not among the 50 work police departments in the country. if we're gonna solve what is a national level problem, we've got to have more than this one federal remedy. >> well, yeah, and can we talk also about consent decrees. there are more than a dozen police departments under consent decrees that go back decades. first of, all tell me about

your general opinion of consent decrees. they say they plan to place they police department under a consent decree. for people they don't understand what they are, let's start with how they are and how effective they are. >> sure, so in 1994 the much maligned crime bill, the'94 crime bill that biden for better or for worse gets tons of credit for, gives the position at the federal government can go in and investigate and use its power to essentially regulate out of control law enforcement with an investigation and a consent degree. the consent decree is the parties get together, they say this is what we're gonna do is to solve all these problems that just came to light, and there's a monitor put in place to show that the department is in compliance. it gets from the department from the terrible place there into a better place. it clearly has not fixed the departments that have been under consent decree. it is clearly, though, better than nothing. there are things that happen under consent decree, and these

people in law enforcement communities say they could've gotten done if the federal government didn't get involved. but it is week sauce compared to the size and scope of the problem, in the end individual department, much less the problem we have nationally. while i'm glad that it happens, hats off to doj, civil rights kristen clark and her team, it is so small compared to what we see, what we are literally reading about as to be another indictment on our capacity to hold departments and institutions accountable when they engage in such explicitly white supremacist violence. >> well, yeah, and i wanted to get to that, which is, you can't ignore the origins, the slave patrol origins in this country. i know this is asking the impossible of you, but whether you think we are at the point in the conversation around criminal justice and policing and what it means to have a safe community where policing in the 21st century will look different than it did in the 20th and the 19th centuries. >> that is a moral question.

the country you are asking there, alex. if we want things to change it has to but do i think that there is enough momentum among our electeds? i've got to say i felt more optimistic than i did. we've seen experiment after experiment, initiative after initiative where instead of investing in more punishment, we are investing upstream. we are investing in mental health resources, investing in homelessness resources, which is to say housing, in after-school programs, and lo and behold, we get less crime on the other end of that. so what it would look like if we invested in care and not punishment for our more vulnerable communities? we have no idea, because as a nation we have failed to do that. if we don't, what i worry about for the next electoral cycle, in 2020, four isn't just like we almost did in 2022, it will be the same playbook for folks weaponizing the fear of brown people coming to your

neighborhood and commiting crimes, and more punishment, we're gonna see more of the same that until there's more investigations like this and more terrible readings like this that the attorney general reads out, we're gonna pretend that we couldn't see it coming when we have done this for literally hundreds of years in this country. >> the devastating brilliant dr. phillip atiba goff. appreciate your wisdom and perspective on this. >> thanks for having the conversation, alex. >> we have one more story for you tonight about how north carolina's war against wokeness in the workplace has backfired. that's next. ♪ ♪ [typing] ♪

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sound familiar at this point. an individual, solely by virtue of race or sex, bears responsibility for acts committed in the past by say members of those race and sex. an individual solely due to his race or sex should fill guilt or any other psychological distress, and a meritocracy isn't inherently racist or sexist. all these concepts are prohibited for being promoted and government workplaces. this language is a nearly identical to the florida's stop woke act, which attacks not -- equity incur inclusion in -- today when he vetoed this bill, governor cooper issued this statement. it's troubling that those who witnessed open racism on that for the house of representatives, wants to stop training aimed at creating a more understanding workforce. instead of pretending that racism don't exist, they should encourage trading that would

help eliminate discreet discrimination so we can work towards common goals. the governor's reference to the open racism on the floor, that happened about a month ago when a white republican asked a black democrat just how he got into harvard. >> would you have been able to maybe achieve this if you were not an athlete or a minority? >> when i graduated from harvard, i was in rank two. so i earned my place. and i did well. >> the republican later apologized, explain that he tried to say didn't come out right. he was removed from party leadership position. maybe all of this could have been avoided had he, i don't know, been given some kind of workplace training on racism and the racism inherent and asking a person to justify his admission to an ivy league institution. the bill passed by veto proof majority so now might north