weeks. >> when you have no warm place to go to you tend to acclimate to the environment. when we live in cold climates and we go to our toasty, 70-degree house. our body doesn't adjust. the cold feels colder. it was frigid. but, i got used to it. it didn't feel as terrible as it might otherwise. >> you are incredible! the new book is entitled never alone, a solo arctic survival journey. woniya thibeault, thank you very much. congratulations on the book. >> thank you so much. >> that does it for us for now. we are back, monday, at 6 am eastern. have a great rest of your weekend.

this is the katie phang show, live from miami, florida. we have lots of news to cover and lots of questions to answer. so, let's get started. classified chaos! and the smoking gun in the damning classified documents indictment against former president, donald trump, is so sensitive his lawyers have to get special security clearance. plus, the twice impeached now twice indicted one term disgraced ex president cannot stop incriminating himself. my question is, what does all of this mean for the special counsel's case? msnbc legal analyst and friends of the show, joyce vance, joins us in just a few minutes to

break this case down like only she can. plus, karma. 30 plus years after trump slashed for placed ads in the new pay for the central park 51 of the now central park 51 of the now exonerated young man has a lot to say about the presidents legal troubles. and his own plans to bring leaders to his community. use of salaam joins us live coming up. later, turning tragedy into triumph. i go one-on-one with american idol leader about keeping his late father's memory alive one song at a time and his important impact as the first pacific islander to win the reality tv show. all of that and more is coming up. good saturday morning to you all. i'm katie phang. we start this morning with

president biden kicking off his 2024 election bag kicking it in the high gear, in fact, with his first official campaign event in philadelphia today. while president biden focuses on galvanizing boaters for his incumbent ron at the overall office he faces growing criticism over democrats over his decision to stay silent over his anticipated main opponent donald trump. as msnbc news reports one anonymous msnbc -- calls it malpractice for biden to maintain his silence while trump focuses on -- democrats should not be waiting until a general election to start to finding this but president biden is reportedly telling his team to avoid commenting on trump's legal troubles so they don't fall into the trap that trump's claims that biden is weaponizing the department of

justice to target him. >> msnbc news correspondent, julie tsirkin, joins me now live from capitol hill. julie, good morning, some in president biden's inner circle are reportedly unhappy with his silent stance on trump's legal troubles. allowing the former president to, basically, publicly control the conversation, and the narrative. what are you hearing on the hill from biden's allies? >> look, president biden has a very specific messaging strategy not only with this situation but also with the debt limit and other matters that we have seen rates throughout the first years of his presidency. democrats appear they may differ within. the president has been in politics for such a long time that his advisers, his allies, they say he knows what best. he knows what he's doing. in this specific situation i'm glad that you laid it out that way. there are certainly several schools of thought on this issue. one of the problems with president biden actually speaking out here is that he is also under his own

investigation with classified documents by separate special counsel. his closest allies, the president himself, do not want any appearance of interference. they do not want republicans to have a chance to raise the argument. look, president biden is also doing with his own classified documents issue. however, many experts and allies. certainly many congressman on the republican side and the democratic side here on capitol hill will point out that the two cases are very, very, different. that is why we are hearing some democrats up here who want the president to be more forceful and outspoken on this. they remember january 6th. they remember what happened after the 2020 election when the former president successfully convinced some in this country to believe it was stolen. now they fear that could happen again with the former president putting fear, instilling fear into voters. that they should not trust entities like the doj, fbi, and the white house. there are very different schools with thoughts on this issue. i anticipate that as we get closer to the general election, away from the primary, as it becomes clear who the

president's main opponent actually will be come 2020 for the president might have a more public strategy shift when it comes to the situation. >> julie tsirkin, on capitol hill for us this morning. my thanks to you, as always. let's get straight right now to joyce vance. former u.s. attorney. msnbc legal analysis. professor at the university of alabama school of law and the co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. joyce, you and i talk off line all the time about the myriad cases that donald trump has. obviously, you and i have been focusing a lot on this recent and raymond and indictment. when it comes to classified document cases like the ones that donald trump is facing right now, these types of documents discovered in ball rooms and bathrooms, frankly in mar-a-lago, explain how the classified information procedures act, also known as a cepa, can actually bake in delete organically into this case. >> so sleep may cause delays,

katie. there is certainly a lot to talk about lately but this is one of the most important. topics any delay that it engender is well worth because of the purpose of the statute which is to prevent a defendant from using gray mail against the government. in a great situation the defendant essentially says, look united states if you are going to prosecute me criminally i'm going to expose your secrets. i'm going to expose top secret evidence in a trial. the judge is required to make admissibility of that evidence upfront, well in advance of the trial. the government has the option of trying to provide substitutes that are on classified they can use summary documents and the whole goal is to make sure that the defendants rights are protected. but they have due process that their defense can be put on just as it could be as declassified documents were being used without compromising the national security of the

united states. you can imagine that that process can take a little while but the statute does have some baked in provisions to try to guarantee the trial isn't unduly delayed among them the united states has the immediate right when and certain admissibility evidence is made to appeal that to the 11th circus of the appeal and the 11th circuit is required to expedite the appeal yes some delay but for very good reasons. joyce, after tuesday's arraignment right here in miami trump was allowed to receive the courthouse without travel restrictions. he didn't even have to post a cash bond. he is not supposed to communicate with potential witnesses in the case about the facts of the case but we all saw him leave court with his co defendant and personal valet, wall nada, by his side. do you think that trump is courting a possible violation with how close he keeps now de and evan corcoran in his inner circle? >> that is an interesting

question. it is really tough to imagine that they will avoid the topic entirely. will it come up in a way that ultimately causes prosecutors to ask the judge to you know he's not even on a bond. can we revoke his pre trial release? we will have to watch how that pans. out katie i, know you were surprised, like i, was to see the government not at least request some form of bond. not involve some restrictions on international travel. the reporting has been the jacks mitt wanted to avoid anything that could be a drawn out delay. a drawn out fight. any sort of allegation that he, or prosecutors, were interfering with the current candidates ability to campaign. this one is a little bit of a head-scratcher because i think we will see other defendants going into court and saying well, if donald trump doesn't have to have a bond or any conditions why should i have them? >> everyone is so quick to talk about how they are not supposed to be treating donald trump differently than, quote regular criminal defendant.

quickly, joyce, in the time say we have left the new york times is reporting that trump aileen cannon doesn't have his notch trial experience that someone should have if they're having a lifetime federal point on the bench. how much of a concern is that going into a case as complicated as this? national security cases, cipa, these concepts are not common, at all. if you have a young inexperienced judged on the bench should there be a fear that she is not necessarily going to follow the law? maybe she will just follow her gut? >> i think there are two separate things going on here. there are legitimate concerns about them judge hannon's concern of bias when she was handling the mar-a-lago concern. they told that they did not have jurisdiction to be involved in this matter. that is a separate issue. ultimately it is my judgment that the government would be wise to pursue recusal before they get into a trial situation where double jeopardy attaches

and they can't do anything if she comes out with the sort of crazy rulings. with the experience question she's a federal judge, just like any other federal. judge the senate confirmed her. she has been in place for a couple of years there are processes for getting up to speed on how classified information should be handled. is it ideal for a young judge be handling the case? might someone with better self insight might they not asked that the case be reassigned? i think that that is a possibility. for now she is entitled like any other federal judge, to hear a case randomly assigned to her. >> as always, joyce, you are always gracious in your assessment. some of us don't necessarily it's gone to the belief that she is going to be able to do it, she being judged can. and that is left to be seen. joyce vance my friend thank you so much for joining us and getting a start of this morning. i always appreciate your time. >> thanks, katie. >> before we go to a break, we do have an update on some severe weather across the country. texas governor, greg abbott,

has issued a disaster declaration for parts of texas after a deadly string of tornadoes. at least three people were killed, hundreds of homes and businesses destroyed and thousands more left without power. this weather system also wreaked havoc in the state of florida, and the state of mississippi where parts of those areas got more than a foot of rain triggering flash flood emergencies. coming up after the break, they are caught in the cross fire of florida's abortion ban. after the break, the florida family forced to carry a life-threatening non viable pregnancy to term thanks to the gop's assault on their reproductive rights. later, running for change. yusef salaam of the exonerated central park five reacts to the historic indictment of donald trump. making his case of why should be elected to represent harlem -- that's coming up next here on the key things.

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rights in iowa. for now 20 weeks of pregnancy in a state after the supreme court is going into effect yesterday. you families are still facing the cruel outcomes of gop led abortion bans. last year, debra giroir was only 24 weeks pregnant when an ultrasound revealed her fetus is suffering from potter syndrome. a condition that her specialist said was incompatible with life. doctor said the baby had no kidneys at all and the long for underdeveloped. the pregnancy also placed her own life on the line due to an especially high risk of preeclampsia. the option of terminating the pregnancy the doctor refuse of 15-week abortion bad at the time a law that was already escalating in total ban now.

they are pregnant -- without any saving grace deborah was forced to carry her nonviable pregnancy to full term. a 37 weeks her son milo died in her arm shortly after she was delivered. he lived for 99 minutes. since that time deborah and her family have been grieving the unbearable unthinkable loss of a child. debra door burt and her husband, ali, join us now. debra and lee, i cannot imagine how difficult this experience have been for the two of you. i do have to ask how are you doing now? is anything able to bring you peace. >> not doing okay. i have my good days and bad days. it still is the beginning stages of grief. >> lee how are you doing?

>> it is challenging. it is hard to put on a face every day you know? to act like everything is okay to make it through my day at work. that is what we have to do. it is challenging at times. so in triggers will make you breakdown when you think about a. it is still hard. i'm still grieving. -- debra i'm sure what makes it even more challenging for you and lee is the fact that you have the blessing of a beautiful son, kaiden. he was four years old when you are going through this horrible experience. i know that he was so excited about having a little sibling. how is he doing? >> he's doing okay. he kind of bounced back quickly

afterwards. but lately he has been asking questions, if my level was always going to be an angel. or, is he going to come home? the passey days he has been sad. i told him he would always be an angel. so just like us, he has his good days. there are days he asks questions, just all day long. he will be said after the. >> lee, you and deborah were told you could travel out of state to try to obtain an abortion. what were your fears in trying to do so? >> well, the first fear was the possible legal repercussions of that. you know? we didn't know what possibly

could -- or if there were any legal repercussions if we did. then the financial standpoint. also, finding a physician, a doctor that we would trust throughout that process. it is kind of overwhelming. especially when we have doctors here that we did trust, that we do trust, to care for us. it was an overwhelming task that didn't seem feasible at the time. >> debra, i read the details about your experience today that labor was induced and my law was born. i know it is so hard to talk about these details because it is so tragically painful, but i think it is important for people to understand what you went through. they can understand how

difficult this process has been for you. you had to hold you, your husband leigh, your other family members, you were there. milo struggling to breathe during that time that he was with you. talk to us about how it felt knowing that you were carrying this baby, you felt him in you, you gave birth to him only to have to watch him die 99 minutes later. >> after i had him, he went straight to my chest, they wrapped him in his blanket. you could just year ham gasping for air. it was just -- i knew that that was what was happening. he was trying so hard to breathe. he didn't open his eyes at all. he didn't cry at all. i mean, i just kind of held him. a knew how hard a time he was

having trying to breathe. he took his first breath, he took his last breath in my arms. it was very painful to watch your child take their first in the last breath. to watch them struggle to breathe. you are just hoping that he is not in much pain. he can't talk, he can't tell you how much pain he isn't. so, i just cuddled him and held him, you know? to bring him come for. >> deborah, your father has said that florida's abortion laws, they have created torture. that is the word that he used. what do you and lee want to viewers to now on how it feels

to have strangers, politicians with agendas, involved in such a personal decision. >> my words would be, to anyone who has stood by their life and watch them go through labor, having a child, be there next to her, holding her hand and encouraging her, telling her that everything is going to be okay, try doing that knowing that it's not gonna be okay. >> deborah? >> i don't know. it's just -- it's hard. >> listen --

but >> i don't know the words to describe it is hard to describe, to tell someone just -- it is traumatic. enough going to take a long time to heal from it. i don't know. >> deborah and lee, i didn't want you to come on tv and have everyone listen to this so you would have to be re-traumatized. i wanted people to share this experience with you so they can understand how important it is to be aware of how this is a personal impact. the stories that people are reading, they may be about view, but this is something that you had to live and go through. i want people to hear. i cannot begin to emphasize how grateful i am for the courage and your honesty about coming on and talking about.

it deborah and dorbert, thank you, thank you so much for your time. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> always. vice president kamala harris is playing a key role in the biden administration's fight to protect reproductive rights. tuesday she will sit down with joy reid, the host of the readout, to discuss the impact of the supreme court's decision to overturn roe v. wade one year later. that is tuesday seven pm eastern on the readout on msnbc. still to come on the katie phang show, karma. one of the exonerated central park five weighs in on donald trump's deepening legal troubles decades after trump himself called for him to get the death penalty for a crime he did not commit. yusef salaam joins me now on how he is turning anger into activism in eyeing in your council seat. later, step-by-step. the statewide rally to ensure that every alzheimer's patients have access to a promising new treatment. a promising new treatment. treatment. made for people like sam who make...?

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prospect of more indictments. it's worth remembering his his pop or see and how quickly and harshly he judges others. in 1989 he took out a full page ad calling for the death penalty for five young teens who were falsely accused of brutally attacking a central park jogger. years later, the young men were completely exonerated by another man's confession, as well as dna evidence. but donald trump has never apologize. after trump's first indictment, one of the now exonerated five, yusef salaam, responded with simply, karma. now salaam is making his first run for political office. while the twice impeached, twice indicted, president makes his third run for the white house. joining me now, dr. yusef salaam, candidate for new york city council in the ninth district. dr. salaam, it is so nice to have you on the show.

you have said that courtesy of trump and his full page ads in four different new york newspapers back in 1989, you and the other members of the now exonerated five became quote, almost untouchables. yet, the irony doesn't escape that trump likes to think he's untouchable, but for completely differently reasons. how confident are you that the judicial system will actually work in trump's cases? >> you know, the challenges is that we want the judicial system to work, we actually want it to be just. we want to be able to be judged by the content of our character, not the color of our skin. in america, unfortunately, justice -- black and brown bodies. here we have a moment where we can almost pray for justice to work, finally, in a way that is meaningful. and of course it comes in light of the fact that a former president, someone who had vilified us 34 years ago is now being prosecuted, and you know,

you know, when i think about that, i think about the power that a person holds. the fact that people who are in extreme wealth hold extreme power, and can almost affect the outcome of anything that they touch. i think donald trump being indicted is a moment for many of us who have been watching from the sidelines, see what was going on in this country. >> let's talk about the phrase double standard. unlike most criminal suspects, when donald trump was a rain this past week, even before in manhattan, he was not put in handcuffs, he didn't have to pose for mugshot, didn't have to do a perp walk. compare all of that treatment to what you went through as an innocent 15 year old. >> you know, the thing that really is startling, and should be very apparent is that i represent the microcosm of the macrocosm of cases just like mine. what i'm thinking about, or who i'm thinking about in this moment is a person like khalifa

robert. we get arrested for crimes that we didn't commit, we get arrested, handcuffed, placed in central booking. and if we can make bail, we make bill, and then we come out. but when you are giving grace and mercy, it shouldn't be afforded to all. there are those who have been always gifted with the opportunity to have the privilege privilege of the color of their skin allow them to move throughout life very easily. but when your name is yusef salaam, and you have the unfortunate reality of being told that you were guilty of a crime that you did not commit, we were all innocent. the fact that we were vilified in papers two weeks after we were accused is an atrocity. but, at the same time, the double standard is that when you are wealthy, when you are white, you get the opportunity to say, i will turn myself in. you know, or sometimes, even if

you get convicted, the judge may look at his watch and say listen, how about you come back in two weeks, a month, make sure you have a great time, but you have to come back and face the music. but when you are found guilty, even if you are innocent like we were, we were really arrested, handcuffs were placed on us again. and we were led to the back, and we were put in prison. 7 to 14 years went by before they found out we are innocent. and it took another 12 years after that for the state to finally -- or the city rather, to compensate us. you know, this is what happens in the black community all the time. >> youssef, let's talk about then how you were ready to bring change to that community. talk about how your experiences have initiated you, have in fact inspired you to want to actually run for public office. without any prior political

experience, how is your experience inform your decision to want to serve the public? >> you know, on the day that the polls open today, the 17th, this is a very powerful an amazing moment. i've often said that those who have been close to the pain, those who have paid the ultimate price have to have a seat at the table. because who is going to talk about our experiences better than those who know it very well? i was jaded for a very long time. and then i realized that it's important to understand all politics is local. the fact that a yusef salaam, that anyone of us were adjudicated for crimes that we didn't commit, i think about, imagine if we were able to put the judges office. imagine if we were able to make sure that our communities were clean. imagine if we were able to have the services that defected are talks dollars. our tax dollars should be

supporting us. rather we have divestment in our community. and so the great thing about me, is although i don't have the political experience, this is not politics as usual. we get an opportunity when people vote me number one at the polls. i'm telling people. vote use of salaam number one at the polls. follow us, follow up with us at harlem for yusef.com. the more important aspect is whoever is in that seat will represent the future of what harlem looks like. >> doctor yusef salaam. i thank you for joining us this morning. i know the polls are opening, let's watch what happens, i wish you the best of luck. thank you. >> thank, you i appreciate. it have a great day. >> you too. next, a big breakthrough. -- fda is on the cut -- the way alzheimer's disease is treated. not everyone who needs it may get. it let's go inside the fight for access straight ahead. and from tragedy to triumph. my conversation with american idol winner who shares the

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early as next month. but as things stand now, many alzheimer's patients don't have access to the drug. that is because it's only been approved at this point under what's known as quote, accelerated approval. in the agency that oversees medicare or medicaid says patients will have to be enrolled in a clinical trial that monitors a drug safety and effectiveness, or pay for the drug out of pocket. get this, the price tag for that drunk out of pocket? more than $26,000 a year. now, advocates are fighting for equitable asks us to all all-timers patients. joining me now is beth sitkowski. vice president of communications at the south carolina all-timers association. beth, i see you're outside. i thank you for joining, us thank tell us what your group is doing today at that statewide rally to make sure everyone across south carolina who needs important alzheimer's treatment is going to be able to get it. >> that's right. here at columbia we are going to be rallying in about an hour, we're a little early right now.

but we are here to urge medicare to remove these restrictions that are barring access to treatment. the bottom line is we have had fda approved treatments for alzheimer's disease for months. and no one has been able to get their hands on them unless, as you mentioned, they're able to pay out of pocket. this is one of 50 state rallies that is happening all throughout june as part of alzheimer's and brand awareness month. also anticipating this decision by the fda, we have great news last week from advisory committees, recommending, unanimously, that this treatment can be received traditional fda approval. for people for whom every day makes a difference, we've already been waiting months and months, that is too much. it is too much. to ask for a registry requirement, where we don't have details yet, we don't have, or don't know how physicians are going to be able to sign, up it creates an additional barrier to people receiving treatment. it's unprecedented, and

unacceptable. >> so beth, very quickly, talk about how the brand aim, like can be, that's the drug, what does it mean for the fight against alzheimer's in terms of what is able to do? >> this is a class of drugs for the first time in history can actually slow the rate of cognitive decline. it relates to more time for people who are living with mild cognitive impairment. or early stages of alzheimer's. >> i want to stress, it's only approved for very early stages. there's a small window of opportunity for people to access the benefits of this treatment. and for people who are already diagnosed, that means that as many as 2000 people each day are progressing in their dementia beyond the point that they will be medically eligible, so even see this treatment. people are becoming ineligible while they are waiting for all of this red tape. >> beth, it is estimated that alzheimer's, and other dimensions, will cost united states 345 billion dollars this

year alone. talk about how important it is for there to be reasonable cost-effective access to medications that slow the cognitive decline caused by these diseases. >> absolutely. -- the most expensive disease in the u.s. today. a lot of that is because it can last for years and years in those later stages. with a very intense, hands on care needed, both in medical care, and long term care. it is an enormous driver of cost as you mentioned for medicare. and to be able to delay that progression, and get people more time in those early stages, where they're still very much themselves, living independently, making their own decisions, contributing to society, and crucially, having that treasure time with the people that they love, their lives could be potentially a cost savings. compared to the cost of later stages of the disease. this is all about changing the paradigm of how we treat alzheimer's.

if we can catch it in those early stages, and this includes improving upon our early detection efforts, if people can grab that window of opportunity, then we can delay that progression, and get people more time, and even save cost down the road. >> well beth, i lost my father to alzheimer's and lewy body dementia. so i'm fide excited for this possibility of treatment, and i'm so grateful for your voice. thank you for being out there today, i appreciate you joining the show. >> thank you so much. we appreciate you. >> and up next, my one-on-one interview with season 21 american idol winner iam tongi, on making history for the aapi community, and for overcoming the family tragedy that almost kept him from competing at all. much more on the katie phang show to come. so don't go anywhere. on't go anywhere have heart failure with unresolved symptoms? it may be time to see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms

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winner is turning personal tragedy into triumph. 18 year old hawaiian native iam tongi, is the first pacific islander to win the reality tv singing competition. a historic run on the show never happened, almost. -- his father rodney died of kidney failure months before joining the show. it was his raw and relate-able emotion that brought the shows judges in the american idols audience, and me, to tears. earlier i had the chance to speak with iam him being and aapi, and honoring his late father on this father's day weekend. >> and i am joined now by iam tongi. i want to thank you for the privilege of coming on to the katie faye show. and i want to congratulate you on your american idol when. iam, we all know, you went viral for your audition when you saying monsters by james blunt. personally i have been a fan of

that song for years. i know that you are dedicating that audition to your late father rodney. i also lost my father a few years ago, so to be able to hear such a beautiful tribute, it brought all of the judges, me, and basically america to tears. talk to us about your dad's influence on your love for music. >> you know, my dad influenced me, he, he did a lot of guyer things at church. and you know, tommy at a young age how to sing. and i just, i'm glad he taught me, i'm dedicated this win to him. and i, i did so far. >> i iam, i know some people are not aware, you actually auditioned before for american idol, and you didn't advance. and your dad gave you some advice. what did he tell you when you

auditioned. what were you disheartened by the outcome of that particular run trying to get to the finish line of american idol? >> when i didn't make it the first time, my dad he just told me that i just need to work hard. i need to keep practicing, and keep singing to better myself, to better myself than i was before. >> your mom has shared that when your father passed away, you didn't want to sing anymore. because when you do saying, you still hear your dad harmonizing, and singing along with you. but your mom, to her credit, she encouraged you to keep going. she actually signed you up to audition for the show again. how grateful are you that your mom just kept pushing you to pursue your dreams? >> you know, if it wasn't for my mom i wouldn't be here, the

winner of american idol. season 21. and i owe it all to my mom, to my dad, and ye. >> there are a lot of, i'm gonna say kids, cause i have years on you, there's a lot of kids your age that don't have this kind of humility. and don't really have this respect for how much their parents have done for them, how much their parents have inspired them. i know you just graduated from high school two days ago, did you have any type of special message for your graduating class, and for the rest of these graduating seniors from the year 2023? >> yeah, you know, i always say this, but, just to do what you love. and do your best. and have fun. >> before i let you go, tomorrow is going to be father's day. what do you have to say, or

what can you share for those of us that are going to be going into this holiday maybe for the first time, or maybe for a repeated moment without having their fathers anymore? >> you know, i i know it's hard, you know, to me, i feel like it's the hardest thing to go through, to lose the parent. and you know, this father's day, i think we just have to keep our heads high, and remember our good memories. and just -- keep god first, you know what i mean? you know, like me, i pray for my dad every day. still. and, yeah, just keep your memories there, remember

everything that was good. >> while i know i share the sentiment with america and the world, that you iam tongi are not only carrying the legacy of your amazing father rodney, but continuing to make your mom in the rest of your family proud. as a fellow member of the aapi community, i'm especially proud of you and your representation, so iam tongi, again, congratulations on winning season 21 of american idol. thank you for joining us today. i really appreciate it. >> thank you so much katie. >> and thank you to all of you joy for joining me this morning. i'll be back here tomorrow, where i will welcome former senator doug jones on how democrats and anti trump republicans -- ahead of 2024. remember, you can keep up with us by following at katie phang show on twitter, instagram, and tiktok. stay tuned, the saturday show with my friend is coming up next. ng u next the chase ink business premier card is made for people like sam who make...?

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