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enough is enough. trump's former national security adviser, john bolton is among those speaking out, and he is coming up first. plus, if trump hasn't enemies list, congressman adam schiff is probably on it. so what does he think about trump's promises this week to weaponize the doj against his opponents if he is reelected? i will ask him when he joins me in just a few minutes. also today, we hearing a lot of complaints for the former president's defenders about a two tiered justice system, and they are right, just not in the way they think. and later, a trip to maryland for a conversation with one of the governor democratic party sees rising, sars governor westmore. i get assaulted republican candidates running for president, his work to fight crime in gun violence, and his own political future. well, donald trump once again made history this week for all the wrong reasons. on tuesday, he became the first former president to ever be arraigned on federal charges.

in a truly surreal scene that played out in downtown miami, he surrendered to authorities in the federal courthouse where he was booked, fingerprinted, and led to a courtroom where he pleaded not guilty to 37 criminal counts. those charges include willfully retaining national security secrets, and refusing the governments attempts to get them back. by any measure, these are extremely serious charges. and yet, true to form, trump pretended it was just business as usual, traveling straight from the courtroom to a series of campaign stops. of course what we all witnessed this week was definitely not business as usual. what we saw was a criminal defendant to put the national security of our country at risk, jeopardizing the safety of the u.s. military and human intelligence sources, and i just take it from me, or from the 49-page indictment against him which was quite detailed. many of trump's former allies, including members of his own cabinet forcefully expressed their concerns this week. it is significant because these are the people who worked

closely, very closely, the closest with trump during his presidency, who had themselves handled sensitive materials. take this rebuke from trump's former secretary of state mike pompeo. >> trump had classified documents where he shouldn't have had them, and then when given the opportunity to return to me chose not to do that. it is inconsistent with protecting american soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines. and if the allegations are true, some of these were pretty serious important documents. >> you heard that right. trump's behavior was inconsistent with protecting americas soldiers. and here is trump's whole former vice president mike pence just this morning. >> the allegations in the indictment are serious. you have got to ensure the classified materials, especially those that have been alleged in this indictment, and bear upon our national security are protected and secured. >> and here is trump's former defense secretary and mark esper just hours ago this morning. >> the revelations were very troubling, disturbing.

>> do you think trump can be trusted with the nation secrets ever again? >> well, based on his actions, again if proven true under the indictment by the special counsel, no. it is just irresponsible action that places our service members at risk, places our nations security at risk. >> so, why are former members of trump's cabinet speaking out so strongly? because our national security secrets, including intelligence assessments about military capabilities and nuclear capacities of other countries, is something that for decades democrats and republicans have largely protected. they have done this through presidential transitions, through major disagreements about how to wage the iraq war, how to approach iran's nuclear capabilities, or how to withdraw from afghanistan, just to name a few. because by protecting those secrets they protected the men and women serving in the military, those representing the united states overseas, and of course, our human intelligence sources. this is not controversial, it

really should not be, it is common sense, and it is not at all political, it is patriotic to protect those secrets. my sense is, that is why so many people are speaking out. joining me now is another member of the trump administration who is speaking out against his former boss, former national security adviser, ambassador john bolton. i want to start -- the new york times has been reporting that former president trump was obsessed with these classified documents, and aides described him -- describe these documents and his beautiful mind materials. is that consistent with what you saw when you were's national security advisor? and was there any one particular document that stuck out to you that he was obsessed with? >> well, i think he was kind of a collector of things. he thought they were -- of interest to him for some reason or another. clippings, mementos, classified documents. and it was very disturbing. we could see in the course of meetings with him, intelligence briefings, decision meetings that sometimes he likes to

retain things, and it became the practice just to make sure that we got them back, in as many cases as we could. obviously we failed in many cases. but it was a pattern that was evident to me from, sort of, my early days. >> did he ever ask you to hold on to a document that concern you? >> well, there were some that we did get back. others, the most famous that, to me demonstrates why i don't need to read the indictment or believe it's allegations are true, although i'm pretty confident they are was a famous tweet that he did after getting an overhead picture of a failed iranian missile launch. he was shown during an intelligence briefing, he did not get back, and it was tweeted before the intelligence officials got back to their offices. there is utterly no excuse for that. there is no conceivable region for that, except it made him feel good and be able to do it. that's one example, but it is typical of the mindset. >> now there are some themes as we have seen in the indictment in terms of the types of documents, and i wanted to ask you, because back in 2018 you

reportedly requested that the pentagon gave trump options for military strikes against iran. in similar intelligence is the deceptive of the recording of 2021 that trump was heard bragging about, now you have not seen the document, of course, but how concerned are you about that type of information being out in public? a plan to strike iran. >> well, he has for a lot of options for a lot of different things, in concerning actual security advisor does, and that was true for a lot of countries. those are the kinds of documents prepared by the pentagon, some of the intelligence community that we took special pains not to let get around very much, in some cases the president goes over to the tank of the pentagon to get the briefings, then it's pretty clear he does not take documents with him. one question here is how a lot of these documents may have come into his position. and i think that is something we should be concerned about, but there are -- i don't know what documents jack smith has listed in an

indictment, but i do know the kinds of documents we put before the president as we should, to permit him to make decisions, to consider his options and the consequences of decisions. and they contain america's most secret information. >> you also know trump, then you watched him, you are's national security adviser for a whole year, you wrote a book about it. >> 17 wonderful months. >> 17 wonderful months, i will quote you on that. you know he has a pension and a lot for dictators, he has been vocal about it. are you concerned that he could have -- that he wanted to keep some of these documents to share them with people he should not have? >> well, i think his motives are hard to read. fortunately, you don't know what to have to know what the motives are, to get a conviction in this matter. but i think trump's attraction to authoritarian leaders had something to do -- an ominous shrink, and i don't pretend to be -- had something to do with these were big guys, vladimir putin, xi jinping, they did what they wanted to do. and i think he wanted to do what he wanted to do. >> alaska but the declassification of information. you have worked for presidents,

three of them before trump. i know you have said that there are no limitations on what i.d. on president can be costly. but your experience, isn't there a typical process where there would be a record of it, presidents would typically, at least in my experience, want to have an intelligence assessment of what the impact would be. how did it work out or the other three presidents you worked for? >> well, if they had an idea that they wanted something to be declassified, for which there are legitimate reasons people can think back to the cuban missile crisis with natalie stevenson at the u.s. security council showing russian missile strike sites under construction, there's a good reason to do that. the president would say, give me an assessment on what we would do, the sources methods or whatever, if we declassified this. and the bureaucracy would give him an answer back. trump could not care less what the bureaucracy thought, it was what he wanted to do. the key thing here, people misunderstand that there are limitations on what the president can do, and there are not. but once the president has made a decision, he has to make it

manifest. in trump's case, because he focuses only on himself, he's got a document in front of him and says i'm going to take this and declassify it. he doesn't realize there are probably dozens of copies of that document, hard copies, electronic copies all over the government. and really was classified is not the piece of paper, or the electrons it is the information. if you don't tell the rest of the government you have declassified something, the government can become paralyzed. >> i ask you that also because there is a difference between when a president is concerned about the impact of declassification, which every president, most presidents would have been except for trump. i want to ask you because trump went pretty crazy on you, that is my summary here, >> a daily occurrence. >> accusing u of illegally releasing classified information in a bookie road after you left the white house. i want to take a listen to what he said on the other side. >> i will consider every conversation with me as president highly classified, so that would mean that if he wrote a book, and if the book gets out he has broken the law.

and i would think that he would have criminal problems. it's called criminal liability, that's a big thing. >> how does that sit with you now? >> well, this is an example of trump trying to weaponize his own department of justice against his political enemies. and what he failed to understand, what people in the white house counsel failed to understand, or people that the justice department under's orders in both cases. >> including former attorney general bill barr? >> correct, and the book had gone through the standard pre publication of a process, i can tell you for an arduous four months were national security council senior director went through, without line by line. her work has been described in an 18-page letter her attorney filed in the court case trump brought, he tried to stop the book being published, he tried to prevent me from getting any revenues from, it and he tried to launch a criminal investigation. they put the subpoenas out to my publisher and my book agent. now, the civil case was dropped

later with insufficient reason because we would've had to discovery, and what would've happened in the trump department, and white out of the case had proceeded. in a criminal investigation which way because there was no basis for. it >> doesn't improve low if you went so crazy after you that he knew about the dangers of sharing some of the information, or had a concern about, or how the process work? >> no, because i also said, i wish we had that clip. if you publish the book after the election, it's okay. well, it was classified in june of 2020 when the book was published, it would've been calcified there wednesday after the tuesday in november when the election took place. he didn't win the book out, not because he thought there was classified information in it, but because it -- he suspected of what i was gonna read about him. >> i want to ask you a little bit about how a number of members of the republican party are defending donald trump. listen to what marco rubio, senator marco rubio had to tell -- told fox news recently. >> even if you read the indictment, nowhere does it say and as a result the national security of organizations

harvey in this way, okay? and you have to weigh that with an indictment, that now is going to put our country in a deep -- already divided and polarized country in a really dangerous place. >> so he is on the senate intelligence committee, he has talked in the past about his concern about trump having access to national security information. why do you think he can't just say what you have said? >> well, i think -- i have a little respect for marco rubio. i think the party as a whole is risking falling into the trap of caesar-ism, that this leader gets deference regardless of our political principles. and i think we have got to foul our principles, and let the consequences fall where they may. in this case, the reason the mishandling of classified information is serious is because it put at risk these sensitive pieces of information making it more likely that a foreign adversary could get their hands on it. it is not enough to say, well the russians in the chinese don't have it, although we don't know that for sure, it is

that it was increased thing the danger that they could get it. that is whether criminal statutes or written the way they are very prudent reasons. >> before i let you go, there is an election coming up. if it is trump versus biden again, if you want to support trump again? >> i didn't support trump in 2020, i did support him in 2016. bill and hillary clinton were a year ahead of me in law school, and so i knew them both, and i thought it was worth taking the risk on trump. and 2020 -- >> one about 24? >> i wrote in the name of a conservative republican in maryland when i vote, and i would do the same in 2024. because neither election was there a real conservative republican on the. bella >> john bolton, congratulations to your daughter mary this weekend, happy father's day, thank you for joining me this afternoon. up next, donald trump and his allies continue to attack what they call a two tiered justice system. the irony was not lost on us, i will explain. plus, i will ask congressman adam schiff about trump's latest campaign promise to use the doj to go after his enemies. and later, my conversation with

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the demographics of our prisons. according to the naacp, black and spanish americans collectively make up 32% of the u.s. population, but the represent up to 56% of the u.s. incarcerated population. that is a two tiered justice system, one in desperate need of reform. but that is not at all what trump and his fellow republicans are talking about. >> this looks like another example of a two tiered system of justice. >> it is completely a two tier system of justice. >> this is a dual system of. justice >> it's a two tiered justice system simply took off for president trump. >> a two tiered system of justice is targeting him and anyone who is supporting him. >> this is just happening against republicans with a targeted focus on president trump. >> so trump and his allies are attempting to co-opt the idea of a two tiered justice system to essentially own the phrase. in order to push their baseless claim in that trump is held to a different standard. now in a sense, he has been held to a different standard, just not in the way that they

think. because trump has actually been treated more lenient lee. in most cases were an individual willfully holds onto thousands of pages of the country's most sensitive documents, they typically don't get an opportunity to just give them back, and get off scot-free. but donald trump got that opportunity many times. he could have returned the documents immediately when the national archive i asked for that. he did not. when he finally decided to work with the archives, he could've returned everything. he did not. he could have complied with the justice department's grand jury subpoena. he did not. instead, according to the indictment, trump conspired to keep those documents full of national security secrets for himself. and he even reportedly ignored the advice of his own lawyers who told him to comply with the doj's request. even after trump's indictment, federal prosecutors bent over backward to be more than fair. in an incredible display of leniency, trump was not forced to play cash bail, nor was he forced to comply with any kind

of travel restrictions pending trial. that is not at all typical in cases involving somebody knowingly taking an improperly storing classified documents. i mean, even defendants who plead guilty in these cases are put under travel restrictions, or our order to surrender the passport, or in some cases, are even placed in jail from the time of their arrest all the way to their sentencing. in fact, trump's deal was so lenient that the presiding judge did something of a double take, and actually added restrictions that the prosecutors had not even asked for. now, the justice department and special counsel jack smith have their own calculations on taking as a new york times put, it an iron fist in a kid glove approach to this whole trial. there is of course the obvious political sensitivity surrounding this entire case, given he is a former president. but the argument from trump allies that he is the victim of an unfair to tear the justice system just does not match with how he actually has been treated. he was offered multiple off-ramps to avoid prosecution,

it was his choice not to take them, nobody else would have received that kind of consideration. so for anyone who wants to talk about a two tier justice system out there? let's do it! there is a lot to talk about. but there is obviously a system for the powerful like trump, and then a system for everybody else. coming up next, my wide ranging conversation with congressman adam schiff. i will get a sense of his timeline, and the other huge investigation into donald trump. and later, how one republican's reaction to trump's federal indictment should be the standard, but is actually the exception. we are back after a quick break. ter a quic break. agnosed with cancer, they need support. subaru and our retailers are there to help... by providing blankets for comfort and warmth and encouraging messages of hope to help support nearly three hundred thousand patients facing cancer nationwide. we call it “the subaru love promise.” and we're proud to be the largest automotive donor to the leukemia and lymphoma society. subaru. more than a car company.

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and what he promises to do if he returns to the white house. he's making no secret of it. trump's already made clear he wants full control of the justice department. he wants to prosecute his political enemies and he already has a plan to do just that. >> i will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the united states of america, joe biden. and the entire biden crime family. >> we also know that when it comes to the doj trump has unfinished business. between the 2020 election in january six we all saw how trump tried to bend the doj to his will. he tried to personally instill jeffrey clark as an acting attorney general in his final days in office and why would he want to do that? because clark was actively trying to help trump overturn the 2020 election. you've got to push the doj to send letters ic i georgia and other states asking them to avoid their election

results. so rest assured of trump once again jeffrey clark or at least his ideas will likely be back. in fact, clark is already put forth a sketchy legal argument justifying trump's takeover of the doj. he recently wrote an article title quote the u.s. justice department is not independent. that's pretty straightforward. in other words, the plans for a trump control doj are already out in the open. the he's got a list of political enemies with president biden at the top. if anything that sounds like weaponizing the justice department to me. joining me now is democratic congressman adam schiff. he was an impeachment manager during trump's first impeachment and served on the january six committee. he's also running for senate in california. i want to start war ended there, it's pretty clear that trump's goal is to have an attorney general to pursue political prosecutions under his direction. what could that look like and what concerns you the most about that?

>> well it's terrifying but and first i want to say happy father's day to all the fathers out day including my own. >> but you are right this is a terrifying prospect. ever since watergate there has been a strong wall established between the white house and the justice department where presidents don't weigh in on particular cases. they may set the general policy of the department to prioritize this or that kind of offense but they don't use it to go after their enemies. donald trump to try to do that when he became president. in fact have introduced a bill protecting our democracy designed to strengthen the independence of the justice department. but now it's blatant and now they are saying essentially there is been a fringe theory among some conservatives is their central theme which is they want to use the justice department to go after their enemies. and is this if they were successful the most dramatic step they could take towards

converting our democracy into some kind of authoritarian government. because that's what dictatorships do. >> but if there is an enemies list you are probably on it. i'm sure you've thought about this. what could the trump doj due to make your life difficult? >> well just the other day trump said i should be imprisoned. of course this is not the first time he's called for jailing me and you have to wonder, could president trump unshackled by any opposition somehow use the justice department to imprison his enemies? there are a lot of things we've seen take place in this country in the last several years that we would never have imagined possible. we thought we were exceptional in the sense that this was a problem other countries had, it wasn't a problem for the united states. but we have seen since trump's election a steady degradation of our institutions and we will be given a chance again. you can't bet against how he

will try to abuse the justice department. but i would also say it's a badge of honor to be on his enemies list. as franklin roosevelt said there are times when you can judge a person by the enemies they make. and i think they view me as a threat, they don't like the work i did on the january six committee or my work in leading the first impeachment trial to a bipartisan vote to convict. but it's not going to determine. i will say this, though. it is occupying the nations time when we have to focus on things like homelessness in the high cost of housing. president biden is doing exactly what he should, but at the issues i'm focused on. but these constant political attacks to soak up the time and attention of the public. >> vegetarian are, that is a good phrase to guide others. there's new reporting that trump had a strange obsession with these boxes of classified information that are outlined

in the indictment but given his stated affection over the course of many years for dictators how concerned are you that these documents weren't just keepsakes, that he had other intentions of what he wanted to do with them? >> it's deeply concerning both because he so deliberately took these documents that he had no right to take, that so many of them were classified in a way that if their disclosure were made to the wrong parties that could threaten human sources orchid threatened technical sources and we can our national security. but also why does he have them? he took them for a reason and we simply don't know what that reasoning is except that at some point he wanted to exploit them. and how that might be done whether it was politically or to somehow monetize what these are worth. who knows. but certainly it can be for

good reason. >> the day of the arraignment, we saw a video of fake electors from nevada going into the grand jury room investigating january 6th. entirely different case when we are intimately familiar with. as a former prosecutor as you watch that what did that tell you about the timing of a charging decision or how close we can be? >> the bringing in of these fake electors, some of whom apparently have been given immunity for their testimony certainly signals progress in the investigation. what may be more telling about what stage of the investigation is is in is bringing in people like mike pence or mark meadows or others or steve bannon at the top of the scheme. the justice department moved with great alacrity go off to the footsoldiers who broke into the capitol and assaulted police officers. but they've taken a very long time to go after the organizers of this insurrection.

but now they apparently are and this may signal with that we are much closer to the end of this investigation. and i hope that's true because this case needs to be brought to a determination when where the other. >> you've been so close to this over the course of the last few years. as shocking as the conduct document in the mar-a-lago indictment is, do you think trump's role in january 6th is most more serious? couldn't indictment out letting those details be more shocking. what's your expectation? >> the mar-a-lago indictment is pretty shocking just in terms of how premeditated trump's misconduct is. but the january six issues are far more significant. those involved the first ever attempt by president to interfere in the peaceful transfer of power in our country. the violent attack of thousands of people against police officers at the capitol designed to stop the joint session from certifying the new

one of the presidential election. hard to imagine a more serious set of offenses than that on the january six committee of course we recommend the justice department be investigate the presidents role and likely violation of multiple laws. so those are the most serious allegations. whether they will shock the conscience as much as reading the details of the mar-a-lago indictment, i don't know since so much is known about trump's misconduct. what i would hope that the special counsel will reach a conclusion very soon because i think they have taken way too long to get to where they are we are now more than two years since those events and we need speedy justice. >> congressman adam schiff thank you as always for joining us this afternoon. up next, should the rnc forced presidential candidates to support the ventral nominee? even if that nominee turns out to be a convicted felon? you might be surprised to learn there is actually some disagreement about the. and later, maryland governor

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for the nomination who seem to be having a much tougher time handling this question. for the most part they're seeing the indictment as political and that they will probably pardon him if they are elected president and he is not. vivek ramaswamy said he would absolutely pardon trump and challenge every other candidate to say the same thing creating a sort of litmus test. nikki haley said she would be inclined to pardon him to. ron desantis let fly through some crazy word salad that basically indicated that he would grant trump clemency. i have to say, as a 20-year veteran of political communications it's one heck of a pitch to voters. i know you really like that guy, but if you pick me i promise i'll pardon him for all of his crimes. that's gonna look great on a bumper sticker. at the same time, a few candidates are taking a slightly tougher stance. trump's former vice president mike pence say he could not defend the conduct that's alleged in jack smith's indictment. and senator tim scott said it's a quote serious case with serious allegations.

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were already asking one big question. will he run for president? a little spoiler alert from our conversation, the answer according to him is no. at least for now. but i asked him about his life before politics and the issues facing his state and the wide ranging interview with the anti casey foundation in baltimore. >> tell me a little bit about where we are right now? >> my family's journey changed here. we are in a place called the andy casey foundation which is one of the largest foundations in the country that's exclusively devoted towards disadvantaged children. it was also a place of my mother got a first job that gave her benefits after my dad died. >> when your mother got that job how did it change your life? >> my mother came into the room and she literally had tears in her eyes and she was telling us about but she just got a job. i had no idea that what she was telling me was that our life was about to change. because this was her first job it allowed her to work one job instead of multiple jobs. it was her first job that gave her a measure of reliable hours

to the work that she was doing. >> what do you think that most people don't understand about what it takes to lift yourself up out of poverty? >> i think people think that it's easy just to get out of it. i think people think that there is this idea that people should just work harder. how hard do people have to work when oftentimes the people who we are speaking about and particularly talking about people in the working court these are individuals who are working jobs, in some cases working multiple jobs and still living below the poverty line. how much harder are we asking them to work? >> part of the debt limit deal was struck in washington, it will impact you and people in the state's work requirements for snap benefits for peoples ages 50 to 54. how concerned are you about the work requirements for that age group? >> i am concerned. we are literally talking about people who are already -- to now say that we want you to continue to justify you're impoverishment. we want to continue to make it more difficult and more challenging for you to do some

of the basics for your children and your family but you already nullifying time for. >> i don't to tell you gun violence and also gun restrictions have become pretty politically-charged. another governor ron desantis, you may have heard of him recently made a comment i'm going to paraphrase but you are more likely to get shot then get a good education in baltimore. what do have to say about that? >> i think you should comes benson time in baltimore. frankly he needs to worry about the fact that he's got some of the -- for him to use this as a punchline or talking point, it continues to show that we have the so-called leaders who do not have a plan. what they have a playbook. a playbook is every single election cycle make people scared, and then tell people you are the only one that can solve it. without a plan. i haven't heard a single thing that he is proposed that is going to make anyone in the city of baltimore safer. but we are doing is we are actually putting together

policies that are making people safer. what we are doing is actually doing things like making sure we can get and keep these illegal guns out of our neighborhood. if you want to continue making baltimore or anywhere else a talking point the thing i would recommend to him as this. actually come spend time here because you might learn something about how you can actually fight violent crime. >> the nra has already sued you about a recent bill you sent into law. how do you feel about some nra legal action against your state? >> i've seen some pretty tough enemies before in my life and i'm not scared of the gun lobby. >> there's a bit of a circus going on in the republican primary. nikki haley and tim scott have really been making this argument out there that america does not have issues with systemic racism will also bringing up their own individual experiences with racism. what does that tell you about how they're trying to appeal to republican voters? >> you can't have this both ways. you can try to sell me on your personal story of upliftment and the fact you overcame the

odds and then say but there were no odds. you can't have it both ways. >> you are debunking your own story. >> before i let you go i want to ask you about book bans. a lot of the focuses have been on african american history and literature. what do you think this has become a passion project of some conservatives? >> a continued hearing people making the argument that we are doing it because we want to protect your students from having discomfort or jill. because we don't want our students to able to really russell with some of these difficult things in times when they are maturing is individuals. and difficult historical points. but the thing i realize is that it's actually not true. it's a guys. >> it's not about making kids uncomfortable. >> it's about making kids uncomfortable. it's about telling other kids the base shouldn't understand their own power. it's castrating them.

>> telling african american kids they should not understand their own power? >> because if you know your history you know your power. the reason that i know that every single day i can stand in my own skin and i can stand my own power is because i know when history. i'm humbled by the fact that i come from a long line of visionaries and fighters and educators and activists and people who hoped who did not know me but i thought for the hope of me. by telling me that the history is not important. but by telling you that if you need to meet that will somehow put the person who talked me under investigation. you are telling me that you don't want me to understand my power. and that is what this is all about. i think we need to make bigotry expensive. if you are having a conference in a state that now finds book banning to be the highest priorities for the chief

executive of that state, bring your conference elsewhere. and i'm asking people, come to the state of maryland, i love want to make sure that they are going to be economic consequences. >> so companies and organizations should lead with their values here. >> 100%. >> but thanks to governor westmore for spending some time with me. coming up very exciting news on a guest on the screen show. the screen show lets her pick exactly what she wants and save on every perk. sadie is getting her plan ready for a big trip. travel pass, on. nice iphone. cute couple. trips don't last forever, neither does summer love. so, sadie is moving on. apple music, check! introducing myplan. the first and only unlimited plan to give you exactly what you want, so you only pay for what you need. act now and get iphone 14 pro max on us when you switch. it's your verizon. (wheezing)

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now is three years old -- he took me to the top of the scheme as well as five he raised me and my sister to be fearless and curious. my husband greg plays monster trucks and that goes on the floor and still insist on walking our kids to the front or school even though my daughter would clearly prefer to be dropped off at the curb. my father in law mike loves going to his kids, his grandkids birthday parties and soccer games. and somehow has a knack for fixing everything.

and my stepfather bob moved to virginia when my mom wanted to be closer to four grandkids and he is jumped up to celebrate every milestone since. to all the dads out there, to all the aspiring dads and all the father figures, happy father's day. and before we go i have a very exciting guest to announce for next week. former house speaker nancy pelosi. we will talk about the one year anniversary of her, of roe v. wade being overturned politics of the moment, and i or suspect a certain former president will come up. and be sure to watch the readout on tuesday night. jury will be having a special year marking one year post roe with vice president kamala harris. we will be back here next sunday at noon eastern. but stay right where you are because there's much more news on msnbc coming up next. bc coming up next. >> tonight on the mehdi hasan show donald trump's next big legal legal hurdle. the georgia election inveig