would argue that he's been more of a judas than a peter. even donald trump has noticed this betrayal. >> so then what i hear he might run, i consider that very disloyal but it's not about loyalty, but to me it is, it's always about loyalty. >> for me, call me crazy, but at the end of the day i'm not so sure positioning yourself as a judas in the eyes of the trump coal is the way to win over the faithful. >> i think it's madness. i don't think it's going to win him anything. and i just find it odd, i still think it's mad that he thinks he could be a disciple of jesus i'm still stuck on that. >> anyway, it's good to see you my friend enjoy the rest of your evening. i hope your kids are doing something for you for father's day and they have not done it already. >> i'm going to be carrying on tonight eating lots of great food. >> enjoy the rest of your evening off. >> tonight on ayman, the gop's authoritarian bargain with

donald trump. barbara mcquade interpret reuben are going to join me to explore the reasons for this trump addiction and how it is warming our democratic institutions. then buckle up, new indications that the probe into trump's efforts to overturn the georgia election result is expanding. and a smear campaign falls apart in realtime. the republican party's efforts to paint president biden as corrupt are facing new skepticism, guess from who, republicans. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started et's>> donald trump's second indictment has reinforced republican devotion to the twice impeached and now twice indicted ex president. because that's what always happens when trump find himself in trouble. the opposite of what would happen for a normal politician little britain or mull person. just like the access hollywood tape, the first impeachment,

the january 6th insurrection. the second impeachment and the earlier indictment trump's second indictment all were bound to bring the gop even closer to him. as msnbc columnist ruth ben-ghiat laid out for us on the indictment special for republicans, this unending loyalty isn't some lucky fluke for trump. it's a derangement syndrome that is infecting the gop called the authoritarian bargain. >> this is consistent with an authoritarian party that's in thrall to a cult leader. and there is something called in authoritarian bargain and that is when a leader like trump who demands loyalty and is highly corrupt gets political elites to sign on. to support him. once they do that they stick with him no matter what happens. i'm telling you no matter what happens. >> even trump's presidential rivals who should want him out of the race they're actually

jumping on that trump bandwagon. ron desantis called the indictment the weaponization of government. vivek ramaswamy is urging every presidential candidate to pardon trump if elected even before the trial has begun. nikki haley embraced the idea of a pardon and miami mayor frances soares who is a guest putting himself as a moderate in this presidential field, he also vowed to pardon trump. these gop candidates are at the top of a pyramid of authoritarian bargainers. today of trump's arraignment? asha public and leaders including speaker kevin mccarthy reiterated their support for trump calling the arraignment a quote dark day for our country. but mccarthy is just doubling down on the man who he embraced only weeks after the insurrection because for these people they still see political value in being tied to donald trump. as ruth explained on her substack, the root of this bargain derives from the desire for power and the need to

continue to have more of it. it is quote, the thrill of partnering with an amoral individual for who there are no limit or restraints. so now let's shift to the consequences of that authoritarian bargain. because defending a twice impeached twice indicted ex president has some cost, in this case the cost is grave damage to the american justice system. because in order to defend trump's actions like so many republicans are doing now you have to delegitimized the entire justice department. you have to attack the entire legal system. those attacked trickle down to the public can have even further consequences. like what we saw on january 6th, 2021. if you attack the american system enough and delegitimizes it and sow doubt and distrust and anger and then the people connect. to take from ruth, quote, each lawless action by trump has made the gop more, not less

face faithful to him. in saving him, they think they are saving themselves. experts on extremism have raised alarms about the potential for violence in the wake of the second indictment even if it didn't manifest in miami in trump's arraignment. and it doesn't have to be as massive as an insurrection to still be damaging. donald trump might be the one on trial, but those who embrace, those who continue to enable him are doing just as much damage to our institutions and system. these republicans are so addicted to power, even when it is connected to a weak strongman who gets politically weaker with each indictment that they won't stop helping and enabling donald trump. and sadly, at this point that we do the rest of us to suffer the consequences. joining me now is ruth ben-ghiat -- she's also an msnbc columnist,

jordan reuben, and barbara mcquade. it could have all three of you with us. ruth, this is something that you and i have talked about many times in the past. is there something that we are missing here? what struck me the most concerning this aspect of this authoritarian bargain that has now been made with trump, as you described. >> what strikes me the most is that they are in thrall to this cult leader and that he has been able to subject the party to a kind of authoritarian discipline where it's all about loyalty and the other thing that strikes me is you and i talk about middle eastern and other dictators. if you have any support in those contacts you go to jail or killed. here these people are willingly be complicit with the attempt to destroy our justice system

and our democracy. and they are not going to be killed or jailed. they would maybe lose their political career like jeff sessions when he refused to perjure himself. so that's a very sad commentary on the level of cowardice and opportunism. >> i was talked about that about the middle east if you fall out of favor with the rule you find yourself either dead or in prison. i don't know what's really compelling the republicans to do that here. you've written on your substack that gop lawmakers who engage in public displays of fealty know that opposing him could mean the end of their political careers. is it safe to say that a large swath of the gop today puts power over country and that's what's compelling them? they simply just don't want to lose power or the access to power that comes with the positions through donald trump? >> it's a combination of power, it's also fear involved.

fear of howling having their secrets revealed. donald trump is a decades old blackmailer. in expert and what the russians -- so there's that kind of fear, as well as opportunism and this idea that is very compelling that you could have as much power as possible but then for the fanatics like jim jordan and ron desantis they do buy into this idea of in authoritarian vision of power which is limitless. it's a fantasy, but it's very compelling and those who have that temperament. >> barbara, talk us through how the rhetoric and the danger of that rhetoric can actually undermine our confidence in the system. we now have, and i guess you could look at the election as the best example. we've had this systematic targeting of our electoral

system claiming fraud when there was no fraud, claiming rigged election when there was no evidence of it being rigged. you end up with the january 6th type of insurrection where somebody feels it is okay to use violence to stop and overturn our democratic system. but explain how that would work for our justice system as well. >> i think many of us here, this rhetoric and we sort of roll our eyes and stroke our shoulders and say how could anyone believe this stuff? but we see very real consequences of all of this. one is the harm to democracy. there are states that have passed laws under the eyes of preventing election fraud that had made it harder to vote. we have seen this now in people who are very skeptical about the charges that have been filed against donald trump. that somehow jack smith is a lunatic and a thug and the justice department is being weaponized against the right. and this does has a consequence. we saw during the trump administration there was the man that was the maga bomber

who was a great supporter of donald trump and went after his enemies including democratic politicians and members of the media. after the mar-a-lago search where donald trump spoke out against the fbi claiming that what they had done was lawless when in fact the court authorized a search warrant. we saw man instance and audi take action. he tried to breach the cincinnati field office and he ended up killed in a standoff. i also worry about the erosion of trust in those institutions. the fbi knocked on doors every day looking for information and tips on everything from kidnapping to human trafficking to bank robberies. if they are told again and again that they are corrupt, people in the public are going to slam the door. we are asking members of juries to believe the testimony of fbi agents at trial. >> the cornerstone of our system is based on confidence

in that system. if it's eroded as you said we began to lose faith in it. jordan, politically speaking new york attorney general letitia james said this week that she's received death threats on her life for investigating donald trump. these attempts to delegitimized the justice system, as barber laid out, they undermine the entire process but they also have real life consequences for the people who serve in these positions of accountability and governance. >> that's true, we see the across all these cases including the state criminal prosecution -- my former office. one good thing about all this is once you actually get into court you have to deal with the actual truth of the allegations. all that stuff that's happening outside the court, it's still accordant, it doesn't completely fall to the wayside but when you have someone like trump who is stirring all this up outside the court having to

actually be confronted with the facts that are alleged can be incredibly powerful thing. and an antidote to some of the concerns that we're all rightfully worried about going on outside the courtroom. >> ruth there's a lot of gaslighting in this trump world from trump allies. you've got representative matt gaetz and marjorie taylor greene leaning in recent panel discussion about the insurrection downplaying the violence of january six. how does that play into the authoritarian bargain concept? >> this is something it's very concerning. this attempt to make january six into a patriotic act or have people forget about january six. that's ultimately what they would like because forgetting about the coup attempt makes it more likely that another authoritarian action can be taken. and these kind of proclamations this is part of their loyalty

to displace that they're required to do. they're the talking points to help trump about and he's going around the waco texas and other places. he says i did this for you, this was a patriotic thing to save your freedom. and they are all required to kind of circulate those talking points. every time we see one of them out there, they may be fanatics who believe this to. but the cult of trump requires that his version of reality we continually reinforced every day. >> let's talk about some of the specifics of this document case. it's important to keep having this conversation. i know that sounds like we are a broken record but as long as the right and trump keep exploiting it i feel like it is our duty to keep talking about it. he's correct the record on trump's comparing his case to the bill clinton socks case or others. cohen's personal tapes which he kept in his top two are

qualified as his personal diaries, where is trump hoarding sensitive national security information, possible attack plans and counterattack plans, that is not his personal property. >> they couldn't be more different. the presidential records act passed after watergate defines what is a presidential record. it says some things are presidential records which are documents created by the president or for the president for the use in his official duties. and then exclude some other things. it talks about personal records like diaries journals. the -- we -- 's diaries or journalists are not subject to the presidential records act. donald trump is not even charged under the presidential records act. he is charged under the espionage act which makes it a crime to retain willfully national defense information. he took on agency records.

presidential records, personal records. he one of the cnn cia, nsa, the premier defense. they pertain to nuclear programs, to military and weapons capabilities of united states and our allies. all kinds of military secrets. so for about three different reasons the bill clinton case is just absolutely not applicable here. but i think it sounds clever, he talked about bill clinton so extra, and people don't pay attention to the details and they are saying they're being held to double standards. they're completely different cases. don't stop is being treated the way other government employees are treated who willfully retain national defense information. >> perhaps more contemporary wise can you debunk for us the gop comparisons to both the biden and the pence cases? in those instances both men open their doors to investigators and actually cooperated with the investigations. i think it's important to remind the viewers that of all the documents donald trump took from the white house he's only

charged over 30 or so documents that he did not give back. the others that he actually gave back before the raid at mar-a-lago. he couldn't possibly never been charged had he just given over all of the documents to the fbi. >> that's exactly right. i had a piece that was headlined not long ago that was titled it's the obstruction, stupid. if donald trump has gotten that simple memo we may not be even in this place even if he should have been charged with some of the underlying crimes. we can do a whole hour segment between the differences between all these cases but one thing we know for sure is based on past justice department practice, whether it's the hillary situation, whether it's mike pence just not being charged. we don't know what's going to happen with joe biden yet but it doesn't seem like he's going to be charged. we will revisit that if he is. but really it comes down to look sometimes politicians of

had records that they shouldn't have. what you see with pence and what it looks like with biden's they cooperate with the government. they give them back. even if the underlying conduct seems like it's criminal, and donald trump's underlying conduct is way more severe than what we know about the pence and biden situation. even then, had donald trump just cooperated we might not even be having this conversation. >> and the chances of him doing that were slim to none. stick around, coming up we will discuss the other major trump problem making headlines this week. that is the georgia election investigation. but first my friend richard louis is here with the headline. >> evening to you, u.s. secretary of state anthony blinken arrived in china this morning for two days of talks aimed at easing tensions between washington and beijing. blinken postpone plans to visit in february following the shooting of a chinese surveillance balloon over the u.s.. ukraine's president says his troops are, quote, advancing step-by-step. just as they recaptured a small part of southern ukraine. brings defense ministry said

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indictment and arraignment led to some news regarding another trump investigation out of, that of course being the georgia election probe. this week the fulton county sheriff's office confirmed that it did in fact send a team to miami for trump's arraignment in the classified documents case. the sheriff said his office is being, quote, very proactive and how did people observe the miami police department security procedures and postures. in the event that similar measures would need to be implemented when fani willis announces whether her office will indict trump or not. it is believed to fulton county district attorney is just weeks away from announcing that decision. and her office confirmed to reporters this week that this latest trump indictment will not affect her officers investigation or its timeline. jordan reuben, barbara mcquade are still with me. barbara, let start with the latest news that we are seeing from fulton county, georgia. and specifically the sheriff's office to send a team to miami. does that signal in terms of when and how we might hear from

district attorney fani willis on a possible indictment at all? >> i think so. certainly going to miami to explore how security was kept for that arraignment, certainly signals that they expect to be hosting something very similar in the near future. i also think that the prior statement that fani willis gave earlier this summer when she said the she is asking the courts to clear their dockets in august was also a signal that that is likely a time when she expects that indictment to return. she didn't give a specific date which i think is probably prudent, she doesn't put up a bat signal for all the would-be trump protesters. but i think she needs to get people notice so they can prepare. she also asked her own employees to work from home that week so that they can clear out the area around the courthouse and the security can focus on things. i would be very surprised if they were not heading towards an indictment. of course a grand jury gets to decide what it wants to decide. it could refuse to return an indictment. but that appears to be at least

the timeframe when fani willis will be proposing. >> it's been made clear that the federal investigation into trump will not impact the case in georgia. but the status and i guess outcome of the classified documents case does raise questions about how the georgia investigation could proceed. does it not mean, you also objects worth investigating january six and the possible attempt to overturn the election? and more interestingly, you have here in the york the attorney general with james talking about the specific issue on a podcast earlier this week, positive america, take a listen. >> in all likelihood i believe that my case as well as d a bragg and the georgia case will unfortunately have to be adjourned pending the outcome of the federal case. so it all depends on the scheduling of this particular case. >> your thoughts on that statement, i think a lot of people were a little bit

surprised by it. >> i was a little surprised by, it seems like fani willis was a little surprised by. because you had a statement coming out from her aukus, her office-ing what are you talking about, it won't affect what we do. and barr knows this very well. i was former state prosecutor. it's not unusual to have overlapping state in federal cases where you need to coordinate. it's unusual for it to be a former president possibly with four cases going between different states in federal jurisdictions. but it's not a totally new thing for courts to decide how to hash out what case goes when. so, no i don't think the emergence of a federal case means state case, or any of the case automatically is going to be put on hold. it's going to depend how all of the relative cases progress. many gets worked out it's almost more of a practical issue then our legal issue. it might depend on the personalities of the judges involved but i was very surprised when i heard that statement and it doesn't seem like that's going to be the

case at least for georgia. and i wouldn't think it will necessarily be true for the hush money case either. >> let me ask you really quickly about that since you are a former prosecutor. would it be customary for your office to give a heads up to the nypd, here we may have a high profile indictment coming up so be prepared. or would you not necessarily bother if you knew that indictment wasn't going to be returned? . >> it's definitely normal to have coordination with any sort of big case. and it doesn't necessarily have to rise to the level of former president. any of the sort of coordination is something that definitely can happen. it's not surprising at all that it's happening in the case of a former president. we saw down in miami i think makes a lot of sense in terms of the georgia investigators going down there. it does seem like confirmation of what we've been thinking all along in terms of charges coming there. but this sort of coordination for security purposes is something that seems to make a

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indicated there might be audio recordings of biden who offer that then vice president got an alleged bribe. just days later it is becoming clear once again there is zero actual evidence that such recordings exist. no one can find these mysterious audiotapes and many republicans are starting to doubt their very existence, even chief conspiracy pusher jim jordan said this week, quote. we don't know for sure if these tapes exist. ruth ben-ghiat and barbara mcquade are back with me again. ruth, you know, smear campaigns like this are nothing new for republicans but honestly the seems particularly nefarious given the shady organs, origins of the allegations, the fact that these are years old, they've not surfaced until now, they've attempted to service them in the past but never substantiated and here they are bringing them back once again. >> yeah, there are two points here.

one is that this information warfare. and the truth of the allegations is not the point. the point is to have the idea that biden is corrupt circulate. if it has to be later retracted the damage is already done. as we know, everybody reads accusations few people read the retraction. so that's going on. the second is this is part of trying to discredit biden and i would remind everybody that the texas gop passed a resolution that says that biden isn't illegitimate and acting president. so they are trying any which way to take him down to discredit the presidency under his guide. and use information warfare which in ways that resemble what other authoritarians from the kremlin to erdogan to orban, they all do the smear campaigns. >> and this week, ruth, you had senator chuck grassley saying he hopes donald trump approves

of his efforts to amplify the biden bribe narrative, that he hopes trump thinks he's doing, quote, a good job. i gotta say that is pretty pathetic for a senator to be seeking the approval of donald trump on a story based on false allegations so far the public has not seen any evidence to corroborate at least. >> yes and this is the language -- in a system, it's called personalist rule where everything rotates around one man. and you have to have his approval or you are nothing. so you are expected to do this. in 90 germany it was called working toward the fewer. not comparing trump to hitler but these authoritarian dynamics require people to be working as hard as possible to please their leader.

and that's what grassley is saying there. and it is pathetic that it is a lot in the open but has to be out in the open or else to performance value, of the public loyalty decoration doesn't work. >> barbara let's talk about this fbi tip she for a moment that republicans have seized upon. the gop is up in arms that the fbi is trying to keep this from the house oversight committee. to be clear here the fbi is probably doing that because the allegations on this so-called tip she or years old. they are unverified and abstain shaded. and it seems that the agency doesn't want committee members treating it as fact, perhaps precisely for the reason we are seeing happen right now that it would get politicized into roots point, become the basis of disinformation warfare. >> this all goes back to the concept of just say there's an investigation, just say the election was corrupt leave the rest to me. it's just enough to have this little inkling that there is

something there and then political actors can take advantage of that and push it out there as if it is fact. i can tell you from my own work in the justice department that the fbi gets tips every day about all kinds of things from crimes that occur to space aliens litter inhabiting my brain. they run doze down those that seem frivolous and sometimes sometimes they close investigations. that's what happened with this tip about joe biden. for that reason they don't want to go out there and smear people. -- -- with they want us to do is open investigation and then the next call was to the press so the press would call us and say that i'm investigating candidly x and we work very hard not to be used in that way. that's exactly what the

republican actors you just describe to trying to do here. take a years old unsubstantiated closed fact of a baseless allegation and suggested is true. >> barbara i want to get your amid reaction to this announcement from the washington post that said in part, quote, comer and grassley appear to be engaged in precisely what republicans have one alleged about the dossier reports compiled about trump by former intelligence officer christopher steele, elevating questionable allegations from foreign sources that are transmitted by a paid fbi informant. but the target of these allegations as biden. so they're presented with a default credulous nurse. >> it's exactly the same thing. incredible hypocrisy and of course the fbi didn't go public with what was in the steele dossier. we were investigating it, they were trying to put it down. ultimately they were unable to substantiate some of those things and in fact ended up not using any of the fines in the mueller investigation because they could not substantiate any

of those accusations. and now what we see is something just the same thing with unverified allegations about joe biden. it's really painful to see and i hope the public doesn't buy any of it. but unfortunately as has been said so often is just putting these allegations out there into this fear and people don't bother to learn the details in by the time a retraction comes if it comes there once paying any attention. >> what are the waters just enough to get everyone dirty. ruth, the washington post found that fox dedicated over 200 our chunks of air time over a five-week period to this conspiracy theory. all of this has not materialized. going back to your point here about the dangers of distant disinformation. when they are being amplified, not just by a handful of politicians but a network like fox than amplifies it to tens

of millions to have repeat day in a day out. >> tucker carlson may be gone but fox is still engaging in massive volume propaganda. and they know very well that propaganda works through repetition. you have to hear the same message with small variations over and over again, so they are spewing it out with different hosts on the website, on tv and the point is the volume. the volume appearing in so many times that becomes a kind of truth. that's a propaganda works, it goes from being an accusation repeated so many times over that somehow it has the ring of truth. and they know that. >> yeah that's exactly why i also subscribe to the notion of not using the word news to describe anything fox those on their program. it is not a new channel by any stretch of the imagination. ruth ben-ghiat, barbara mcquade,

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apparently largely control professional golf but also sports washing the country's dismal human rights record. once upon a time, that sentiment, believe it or not was actually's shared by the pga tour commissioner who said last year, quote, you have to be living under a rock to not understand the implications of involving yourself with the saudis. his words not mine. but monahan has since then 180 degree change now saying the game is better off for what we have done. not everyone is sure of the, though. the justice department has notified the pga tour it will review the merger over antitrust concerns. democratic congressman of california was one of the first members of congress to actually condemn the merger. he has since introduced legislation to strip the pga tour of its corporate tax exemptions. congressman gerry, garamendi joins me now. it's great to see you on the show thanks for coming on. what do you make of this complete one 80 from the pga, how do explain it? >> money, money, money, and

billions of dollars of money. the saudi sovereign wealth fund has perhaps as much as a trillion dollars in their accounts and they are spending it. they are buying players, a couple hundred million dollars here and there for a soccer player. and who knows what monahan got out of this. but it's all about money. and it is just absolutely apt outrageous that we would allow the saudi sovereign wealth fund and all of the bad things that they have done to the united states to be able to profit and benefit from the tax exemption. this is a charity. why would the pga be a charity when it makes a billion and a half dollars a year. good question, we ought to terminate that and that pga b of standard corporation, but them pay their income taxes. if you want to do a charity go ahead and make your charitable donation. >> let's talk about this notion that human rights watch laid out that this is effectively an

effort to sports watch saudi arabia's human rights record. do you see that? is there cause to believe that that is what they're doing? >> >> absolutely. there's no doubt that saudi arabia is using its vast sums of money which by the way gas, when you go to the gas pump that saudi money you are putting into that credit card and it goes off to saudi arabia. they're using our money into different ways. they will use it directly for the gas pump and then indirectly for the pga not being taxed. and absolutely, they're using their money to hide the fact or to sports watch that is cause people to not any longer pay tension to an absolutely abysmal human rights effort over many years. >> what do you say to critics who say it's a bit rich for the u.s. government which deals with saudi arabia and sells weapons to saudi arabia, has

relationships with other governments that have abysmal human rights records that end up buying assets in america whether they're sports or corporations. what do you say that saudi arabia is being unfairly singled out here for doing but other countries do, including with the united states government? >> let's just focus very clearly on what we are talking about here. we are talking about saudi arabia using our gas money to buy the pga, to buy most of it. and then to get an exemption from corporate taxes here in the united states. so they are taking it at the gas pump, they are also taking it here and not paying taxes in the united states on the pga in the anticompetitive issue is a very real one. all of those things add up yes we do sell arms to saudi arabia. and yes saudi arabia has been a very serious problem in the middle east. you might ask the yemenis how they feel about saudi arabia.

unfortunately, the united states has not moved away from petroleum fast enough and we are still dependent on petroleum. saudi arabia controls so much of the world supply that they are able to manipulate the price about three or four months ago, excuse me about seven months ago president biden went to saudi arabia and asked saudi arabia to increase this productions to the world supply of petroleum would increase and the prices would come down. he came back empty-handed but i believe is the embarrassing situation. which means that we can have a go saudi arabia for the reduced its supply of oil to the world which will once again increase prices here in the united states. what do we do about this? well first of all, we don't give them a tax break if they want to own all of the professional golf systems as they are doing now, then they

sure as heck ought to be paying taxes in the united states on the profit they are making. secondly, we ought to look very seriously at the added, the anti competition issue. if you own a golf course for example in bedminster, a month ago you could go to the pga and say hey, i'm open on august, do you want to join us. you could also play one off against the other. not a longer. you're going to take whatever this new entity is going to be offered because they control it all. similarly for professional player. they have no choice, but to take whatever this new system is going to offer. that is the anticompetitive nature of this. metal midnight estates but also in europe. so we've got to go at it no tax break for saudi arabia, no tax breaks for the pga, which they never should've had in the first place. and secondly, let's look at this human rights business and say no we're not going to go this way and we are going to

look at the anticompetitive nature along the way. >> let me ask you really quickly about the bill that you've introduced. are you getting any bipartisan support for and specifically what do you want this bill to do if it does make its way to the presidents desk after house and senate? >> this bill is very simple. it simply and the charitable status of the pga, make them a corporation like any other corporation. yes we do have support. this bill was actually introduced by the trump administration into thousand 17. it was not in the final bill a couple of republican senators have introduced the bill and their many members of congress and the senate they're looking at this seriously and saying hey, this is something we ought to do. we should end the tax break for the pga. and certainly saudi arabia ought not be benefiting from a tax exempt operation here in the united states. >> congressman john garamendi of california thank you so much for your time and coming back

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