is you know, we still have a year and a half until the campaign. used to be that presidential campaigns didn't consume the atmosphere, you know, quite this early. yes, he's got to get the job done i do think that it is probably prudent for him not to speak about the trump indictments. as we said last week, though, jonathan, i think it seems a missed opportunity not to have the dnc and other people in the democratic party highlighting, you know, what is going to be one of the huge issues in 2024 as we discussed last week, there's no way that if the tables were turned, that the republican party would stand down on this particular issue. >> the president heads to california later today for a mix of official events and fundraising and soon will be pivoting to showcasing his leadership on the world stage with the nato summit in europe charlie sykes, thank you for stepping up and joining us this morning. we really appreciate it. thanks to all after you for

g getting up "way too early" on this monday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. donald trump's position on the national debt is identical to joe biden's. >> there have been promises made about draining the swamp, building the wall, doing all these things you know, none of that came to fruition. >> he is a child when someone disagrees with him. >> he engages in reckless conduct. >> i don't need to read the indictment or believe its allegations are true, though i'm pretty confident they are. >> clearly, it was unauthorized, illegal and dangerous. >> i view them serious and disqualifying for a commander in chief. >> anybody who doesn't want to look at the facts should be disqualified from running, not just trump. >> so many of those people saying that worked for him >> yeah. >> you had his attorney general. you had his national security adviser. you had his secretary of defense. you had his top ranking officials. all republicans. all supporters of donald trump all people that stood by him

until january 6th. they're the ones criticizing him, not like left wingers. >> they were on the inside and worked with him, and they know exactly what he's about because they've seen it. we're going to have much more of the mounting criticism on the former president and his campaign amid a federal indictment, among other legal challenges, with the possibility of another indictment coming this summer. meanwhile, one of trump's challengers in the 2024 race, chris christie, dismisses one of the rnc's requirements to participate in the debates we'll show you his comments on that it all comes as president biden's re-election campaign appears to be off to a slow start, but there are signs that it is picking up some steam. we'll explain. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is monday, june 19th. with us, host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire the president of the national action network and host of

msnbc's "politics nation," r reverend al sharpton president of the university and historian, jon meacham joins us. and founder of the conservative website the bulwark, charlie sykes. >> jon meacham, people criticizing a political opponent, it is not progressive democrats, it's not people that served in the obama administration that are out and criticizing donald trump, it is his former national security adviser. it is his former secretary of defense. it is his former attorney general who was so loyal to him, he was willing to purger himself in front of the house and the senate judiciary committees. >> yeah, no man is a hero to his valet or his attorney general. apparently what i think we are seeing is

the people who know the most slowly saying what the unspoken part is, the tough part is out loud and the great question, the question on which so much of the country's future hangs, is to what extent can republicans who see the truth about trump, can they make a difference in turning a party that has been a remarkable force for good in many, many ways back into a functional, constitutionally strong party and saying it is the beginning, but they've got to break with the -- they've got to make sure that he doesn't keep winning that's a very different thing

than saying something on television. >> yeah. you know, charlie sykes, i saw a great column, i think it was about a week ago i believe it was nate cone who said, "i'm not looking at the poll numbers for a while to see how donald trump is doing because they're going to stay artificially high. because pollsters are going to call them. they're going to reflexively get in line because of this, quote, attack they see from the left. he said, i'm going to be watching fox news and watching what republicans say about him by that standard, if you look at the weathervane vice president who started immediately afterwards saying, oh, this is a democratic hit job, blah, blah, blah, and the next day, i'm going to pardon him, and the next day, he talks about how horrible this information was, and the next day saying, well, i'm not going to pardon him yet. i'm going tse o see what it loo like it took him three, four days, but he got to where every

american should be this looks really bad. he's innocent until proven guilty why in the world are we even talking about pardons before convictions? it does seem, if you use that test, of not looking at polls right now but, instead, looking at republicans, it is a mixed bag at best for donald trump >> it is we don't know whether the cumulative weight of all of this will make a difference, but the man t montage you played at the beginning was extraordinary. those are voices from within the republican party and from within the trump administration saying, "look, we were in the room with this guy this is who he is. this is how he's behaved this is where he's wrong we need to move on." again, i don't know whether it'll make a difference. it hasn't made a difference so far. but, to your point, this is extraordinary, an extraordinary moment no president has ever had this many former cabinet members, former top aides, people who had

been, you know, intimate parts of the administration, saying, this guy shouldn't be president of the united states bill barr, you need a healthy gag reflex to accept him but, you know, coming from bill barr, this is not on my bingo card for 2023. >> no. >> that he would be the most vociferous and effective critic of donald trump. in terms of how do you break donald trump's hold on the republican party, i don't know whether it's possible or will happen, but it has to be something loike this, other republicans saying, "he's not really conservative. he didn't deliver his promises, and he is a petulant 9-year-old child. >> you're seeing what's in "the national review," what are the headlines of "drudge" every day, what you're seeing from other conservative thought leaders and people who have been

aggressively anti, anti-trump shamelessly over the last several years. you look at "the national review" that turned anti, anti-trumpism into an art form they're all saying that this is much worse than it looks. >> well, we'll have more on these leading republican voices speaking out about the former president in a moment. we want to get to developing news out of beijing this morning. secretary of state antony blinken met with chinese president xi jinping t"the associated press" reports their meeting lasted roughly 35 minutes. the ap also cites footage from the meeting released by chinese state media in which chinese president xi is attributed as saying, quote, the two sides have agreed to follow through on the common understandings president biden and i have reached in bali. so that meeting taking place this morning >> yup >> very early.

>> very early this morning for us, not so for them. jonathan lemire, this has been coming for some time i must say, just -- i've been saying on this show since 2007, i think the supremacy of china has been overvalued by americans. i think china is, obviously, the rising power, and we are going to share the world stage with them for the next 30, 40, 50 years. they certainly aren't going to dominate us. but i also think this talk of, this talk of just absolute collapse in the relationship has also been overstated both sides have been jostling for position biden has been far more aggressive he's finally done something that every president said they were going to do this century, and he's actually done the pivot toward asia, strengthening america's positions in guam. strengthening our positions with our allies in the philippines, in zwrjapan and australia, i me,

in a massive way obviously, that's the pushback that other presidents talked about doing but none of them did. it's what, actually, biden has done that's obviously, you can understand from china's point of view, wrangled some feathers at the same time, you know, they had very constructive -- because we need china. china needs us it's just that simple. whether you're talking about the economy, whether you're talking about the environment, whatever issues you're talking about, global security, we need each other. you know, they obviously were talking about some problems they've had over the past dcoupe years. i'm sure they talked about economic issues, military issues, and probably closed up i'm speculating here, probably closed up with the red sox sweep of the yankees, which everybody is talking about >> no. >> yeah, that is the top global headline this morning, joe yeah, this, of course, is the meeting that was originally

scheduled for february, that was postponed when the chinese spy balloon was spotted over the united states. really, tensions escalated between the two countries, and it took them several months to get to the point where they could have this meeting. it was widely expected that the secretary of state would meet with xi jinping at the culmination of his time in beijing. there was a weight to see how his talks went with the counterpart, the chinese foreign minister first, to be sure they didn't melt as in the past chinese president referenced his meeting with president biden at the g20 in indonesia last year there is a hope, u.s. officials tell me, that later this fall at this year's g20, the two men might meet again that's certainly not scheduled just yet but there is, joe, certainly, there has been a number of flash points between these two countries over the last year or so senior aides tell me over the weekend, they do feel like things are heading in the right

direction. of course, president biden, as you say, has tried to have this pivot to asia. the war in ukraine slowed that some, but they feel like this is -- he's framed his entire foreign policy as this battle between democrats and autocracies, suggesting, though, it doesn't have to be conflict with china but, rather, competition. though there are still tensions between the pentagon and the chinese military, there have been moments where the chinese buzzed u.s. aircraft or boats recently, there's a sense thin s have cooled a little, and there is a sense they're headed in the right direction now. >> we'll be following this and more from the white house on this meeting. we turn back to a number of former allies of former president donald trump breaking with their former boss here is more of attorney general, former attorney general bill barr unleashing a new, scathing assessment of donald trump's conduct related to the classified documents case. >> this is not a circumstance where he is the victim or this

is government overreach. he provoked this whole problem himself. yes, he's been the victim of unfair witch hunts in the past, but that doesn't ovate the fact he is a fundamentally reckless person, and it leads to calamitous situations like this, which are very destructive and hurt any political cause he's associated with. this was a case that was entirely of his own making. >> how strong is the special counsel's case on obstruction, specifically >> well, very strong because a lot of the evidence comes from his own lawyers. furthermore, there is evidence of him saying things that are completely incompatible with any idea that this was an innocent document >> do you believe he lied to the justice department >> do i personally believe it? yes, i do. the legal theory which he gets the tape, battle plans and sensitive national security information as his personal papers is absurd it is just as whacky as the

legal doctrine they came up with for having the vice president unilaterally determine who won the election trump has, you know, many good qualities, and he accomplished some good things, but the fact of the matter is, he is a consequent narcissist, and he constantly engages in reckless conduct that puts his political followers at risk and the conservative and republican agenda at risk he will always put his own interest and gratifying his own ego ahead of everything else, including the country's interest no question about i. this is a perfect kpaexample. he is a defiant 9-year-old kid pushing the glass to the edge of the table, defying his parents to stop him from doing it. it is a means of self-assertion and exerting his dominance over other people he is a very petty individual who will always put his interests ahead of the country's, his personal gratification of his, you know, ego. but our country can't, you know,

be a therapy session for, you know, a troubled man like this >> oh, my god, that's worse than i thought. and there are millions of questions, joe, millions of questions as to why he didn't do this earlier or why he actually can tell this story as he was witnessing it from the inside. at the same time, he clearly knows donald trump very, very well i guess the biggest takeaway here is that this must be so bad, he has nowhere else to go, bill barr, but to say exactly the truth. >> well -- >> i think the word he used is toast. >> yeah, he knew this donald trump when he worked for him. >> yeah. >> anybody that's with him for more than five minutes knows he puts his own interests in front of the interest of the country certainly, anybody that worked with him inside the white house figured that out very quickly. but you look, reverend al, at

some of these words that barr said he's not the victim, which, of course, these snowflakes it's the great irony, it's projection, isn't it you have all of these trumpers that talk about snowflakes who were triggered, and they're the biggest snowflakes ever. they're the victims. they're victimized by biographies of roberto clemente and hank aaron they're victimized by america trying to protect their nuclear secrets. they're victimized by everything here's barr telling them, "you're not a victim." he also does say, he says, "trump is very destructive." >> brutal. >> "this is entirely of his own making," which, of course, everybody knows it is. he lied. i mean, barr said it, he lied to the justice department reckless conduct that puts everybody, puts his own

interests, his self-interests ahead of the conservative party and republican movement. the most damning part, also the part that is going to cause the biggest obstacle for him for staying out of jail, is the part where barr said he's in big trouble. he's toast because the most damning testimony comes from, again, not left wingers, not democrats, but from his own lawyers. >> no doubt about it you know, we can argue about barr should have come forward earlier, why did he come now it's really secondary to the fact that you're talking about a man that was the attorney general under donald trump, making all of these statements and saying it unequivocally and really going to the fact that the law has been violated willfully by donald trump.

his motives are completely narcissistic he cares little about the country. i think that this is devastating. i don't care how trump and anyone tries to spin it. you made william barr the top man in the justice department, not barack obama, not joe biden. >> right. >> he was your choice. if this is the man that you entrusted with the justice department saying this about you, you can't talk your way around this. for him to say that donald trump needs therapy, many of us knew that on our third conversation with donald trump. that doesn't make him criminal the rest makes him criminal, from whom he put over criminal investigations at a federal level. >> yeah. i mean, look, there's no value in looking back and going, "why didn't you, why didn't you, why didn't you?" whatever you think of bill barr, he is clearly doing the math here and seeing there's no way out. not just him

former defense secretary mark esper under donald trump also spoke out against his former boss >> you work closely with trump i've heard two different theories as to why he had these documents. one from stephanie grisham who said he just likes -- you know, "these are mine," like a child with a toy one from michael cohen, saying he thought trump had the documents because he wanted to use them to further his own power or financial well-being in some way why do you think he held on to these documents and went to such lengths to stop them, to prevent them from being turned over to the government >> yeah, look, i think both theories could be true and likely are to some extent. who knows? people described him as a hoarder when it comes to these documents. clearly, it was unauthorized, illegal, and dangerous >> based on your experiences working with president and the indi indictments, can he be trusted

with the nation's secrets ever again? >> if the actions are proven true under the indictment by the special counsel, no. it's just irresponsible action that places our service members at risk, places our nation's security at risk. >> you understand the seriousness of this better than i do why is it a risk to the nation's security to have these documents lying around at mar-a-lago >> well, imagine if a foreign agent, another country were to discover documents that outline america's vulnerabilities or the weaknesses of the united states military think of how it could be exploited and used against us in a conflict an enemy could develop countermeasures. in the case of the most significant piece raised in the allegation about u.s. plans to attack iran, think about how that affects our readiness, our ability to prosecute and attack if, indeed, we know that iran eventually develops a nuclear weapon and we need to act on it. i mean, those things affect our ability to effectively execute

policy and could also affect, again, the lives of our military members who are sent forward to do such type of operations i'm quite concerned about this these are serious allegations and need to be taken seriously by everybody involved. >> again, charlie, this was just not anybody. this is who donald trump chose to run the pentagon, to run america's military this is what he said what donald trump did was unauthorized, illegal, and dangerous. he cannot be trusted with america's national secrets and he places these actions, if proven true, places servicemen at risk and places our country at risk. again, let me just say it again, not a left winger, not a democrat the person that donald trump chose to run the pentagon now saying that he can't be trusted

with america's secrets because he will put servicemen and servicewomen's lives at risk >> and he is dangerous when asked directly, can donald trump ever be trusted with the nation's secrets again, he said no that sound bite, side by side with bill barr, is really extraordinary. i hope we keep, you know, drawing a line under it. this was somebody that donald trump chose. he was the secretary of defense. these are the voices coming from within the room. in many ways, his comments are more damning than bill barr's comments, because he specifically is talking to one of donald trump's strengths, that he is in favor of the military, in support of the truth and supports veterans. mark esper is saying, no, this guy put them all at risk again, i agree with mika, we can go back and say, you know, "why didn't you see this earlier? you'd been warned about this." but in the moment we're in right

now, i do think that it is worthwhile emphasizing all of these voices coming from within the administration you know, whether republican voters are going to listen, i don't know but this is far more -- i mean, this is far more damaging than if this critique had been coming from the usual resistant suspects i mean, these are people who serve in the -- >> this is bad. >> -- administration at one time, he thought they were so trustworthy and so reliable, he put them in charge of the most important agencies in the federal government. now, of course, he is throwing them under the bus. >> well, bill barr, esper, chis t christie, they have to deal with themselves, look in the mirror and see why they didn't say things earlier but these are the people with the most information, who have seen him as president. >> exactly. >> they are saying, "watch out." by the way, we can get into this later, but maybe he didn't just put people at risk and our foreign policy at risk, maybe he

acted on it. who knows? who knows what he did? >> we really don't know. >> with this information. >> there's no way, unfortunately, we can know i mean, this is -- you know, the reason why you don't want these secrets outside of protected spaces in the government is because of that possibility. >> exactly. >> other people could see it other people could be led into that room, this room you'll find something there if you look in this box we don't know what happened. but, you know, this presumption, that there seems this presumption that it is funny he threw the boxes there and no damage was done to america's national security. >> and our credibility. >> listen, come on. >> it's a joke. >> the government or assumption oh, we hope for the best, that they were just stacked there for a year and a half? we hope they were just stacked there and not shown to anybody

why? what evidence do we have that, actually, grave damage has not been done to america's national security there is no evidence of that nobody in america's intel community can come to that assumption all they can do is they can look at the pictures, look at the evidence, and see that a crime, a very serious crime, has been committed here. i mentioned chris christie in a new interview, the former new jersey governor and candidate for president, chris christie, pointed to the contradiction between trump's praise for the people in his administration when it first began and his criticism of those same people as they, one by one, left the white house >> either donald trump, if you believe what he said when they left, that means he didn't pick the very best people and doesn't know how to pick personnel if you believe about them what he said at the beginning, the great stuff, then this guy is the worst manager in the history of the american presidency either way, republicans should

listen to what he says he's a petulant child when someone disagrees with him. >> for tomorrow, alex, we should get donald trump's quotes when he is appointing these people and line them up with what they say right now. donald trump right now will dismiss them as losers or whatever that's not what he said. his judgment, his judgment is horrific if he believes, in fact, that they are this twisted now. jon meacham, you and i were talking, and you had said early on in 2016, as donald trump was tearing the republican party to shreds, tearing the republican establishment to shreds, you said that this was like a hijacker taking over a plane and the passengers cheering on the hijacker it looks like at least a few of the passengers now are having

second thoughts. but you and i both talk to people in the republican establishment who will say donald trump is a threat to the constitution donald trump is a threat to national security. donald trump is dangerous. donald trump this. donald trump that. then they'll say, "yeah, but we'll vote for him if he is the nominee because, oh my god, we couldn't vote for a moderate from delaware who actually passed more bipartisan legislation than anybody in 50 years and actually pushed back russian aggression in a way nobody has since ronald reagan we could never vote for that guy. >> no, wouldn't want that. that crazy socialist biden, yeah >> yeah. >> so there is a growing understanding, jon at the same time, there are even some respected people in the party who, some elders in the party who won't come out and say the obvious. >> yeah, it's -- this is so important a moment

i'm grateful you've put these clips on because i think it's important to think about the connection between the distance we still have to travel between a former attorney general, a former secretary of defense, a former would-be chief of staff, governor christie, seeing what they see, saying what they say now, and what that view, how that view can translate. i'm going to torture the metaphor of the hijacking a little bit right now, the first class cabin seems to be against the hijacker but there is a huge part of the plane that's still with him. that's a hugely -- that's the hugely important point here. i have a theory, and don't hold me to the numbers exactly. but 34% of the country still

supported joe mccarthy long after he was censured and fell from power in 1954/'55 34%. that's not a bad indicator, that 34% will believe almost anything, right? the moment we're in is shaped by the fact that the 34% has a delta of about 14 other percent. you know, 47%, 48% that will do what you're saying, that will vote for trump because the triumph of a reflectively partisan instinct. i don't have a partisan brain so i don't understand it exactly, why you would choose to put the entire constitutional experiment at risk for judges and tax rates and this fantasy version of what the democratic party, in this case, is supposed to be. but that's, to me, the entire work of 2024 is reaching just enough people

in that 14%, in the right states, and say, "look, policy comes and goes the constitution has to endure and that's the essential thing." that's why i think what general barr did, what esper did, what christie is doing, i think it is really important not because it is going to reach the 34%. that's baked in, right, i think. but in that 14%, which include the republicans we're talking about. you and i joked before, they're the peter malarves republicans. >> used to be the duck had khaki. >> geez. >> no, no, this is peter mellark conservatives. >> they're watching the u.s. open and thinking they're still going to vote for trump because

of judges and taxes, right >> right. >> again, some sort of projection, some sort of old view of biden without taking account of the facts of the matter, as you articulated them. i think that's it. i think the fate of the republic is in the hands of, i don't know the numbers well number, but probably a million people scattered across five states >> yeah. >> and how they vote in november 2024 those are the kind of folks who may, in fact, listen to these voices of conversion as you and i have said before, we're in the conversion business, not the condemnation boies. >> always in the conversion business if john wayne wants to convert on his deathbed, the heavens open up for john wayne that's what we believe. >> jon meacham -- >> i'm not done. the preaching starts, and the eastern european catholic gets

nervous. >> it is monday morning. >> she doesn't want the evangelical talk in the morning. charlie, quickly before i let you go here, i can tell ya, you know, as a fellow conservative, as a former republican like me, i'm sure you, like me, our friends, family, most of the people we're surrounded with in our neighborhoods, they supported donald trump they're republicans. they're not going to vote for joe biden. overwhelming majority. i'm curious what you're finding, though, as jon talks about the rest of the party beyond the first class cabin party. i can tell you, in my experience, sheer exhaustion has set in >> yeah. >> sheer exhaustion. i don't -- the same people who a year and a half ago, before january 6th, were all in on trump and would just come at me hard will now volunteer, "i'm so exhausted, man i hope desantis or tim scott or somebody else gets it. i'm curious if you're picking that up with your friends, your family, everybody you're around?

>> i am. i think that jon's analysis is exactly right. look, right now, it is not a binary choice for them, between trump and joe biden. it is a choice between more trump and never again trump. i think this focus on that 14% is crucial because, of course, you know, chris christie is not going to break through to the people who mainline newsmax or listen to oan or, you know, tune into steve bannon's "war room" podcast. because, you know, that is unsh unshakable but there are these republicans that are just exhausted, who do pay attention to these voices from inside the room and the more roops who say, "look, we share your values, we want what you want, and this is not the way to get it. you do not want to be latched to this guy again this is what we saw. this is what we heard.

i do think these are potentially, and i can't make any guarantees, these are potentially influential voices for the 14% that jon was just mentioning because that right now is the crucial group in the american electorate >> all right jon meacham and charlie sykes, thank you, both, very much for being on this morning. we appreciate it. still ahead on "morning joe," 2024 white house hopeful and florida governor ron desantis takes a veiled swipe at trump in nevada. his new remarks about a culture of losing. plus, president biden's re-election campaign taking shape as he plans a series of events from coast to coast what it means for the 2024 race for the white house. also ahead, the interview with gavin newsom that is renewing speculation over a potential white house bid. >> i'll tell ya, a lot of people where i have been traveling the last week, everyone is talking

about his "hannity" interview. it is crazy, the number of people who were really impressed by him in that interview. >> "morning joe" will be right back

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lot of people miss that you deal with in the book is that if it had not been for the union army coming in and posting it and protecting those enslaved, slavery would have continued which is, in many ways, 100 years later with the civil rights movement asking for federal intervention, even now as many of us are dealing with those issues, it has always been a battle of the union or the federal government protecting people against states rights in a contemporary setting, as we celebrate juneteenth day, talk about the policies that we still must extract from that that are relevant today about protecting the rights of those enslaved, those that are treated unfairly, or those that are treated unequally as part of the lessons of this day. it's not about just drinking kool-aid and celebrating. >> yeah, no. the red stone watt ser is a paro

it, but it is not the only thing. i suppose we're thinking about making real the kinds of promise of emancipation and what the former enslaved people expected when slavery ended the idea was to become a full citizen, to have full voting rights, to be treated equally, the right to make contracts and to protect your family, all of those kinds of things, the sort of political and civic rights that other americans shared. so i would think continuing, making real that particular promise is something we're still working on >> so, annette, what kinds of policies do you think are the most prominent, most important ones that are perhaps being overlooked or even falling back given the division we're facing today? >> well, the first thing that comes to mind is voting rights and the concern about the capacity of all registered people, adults who are citizens in the united states, to be able

to vote for their representatives. there are many things. i mean, we could think of the economic disparities that still exist and soforth. >> right. >> but i'm thinking about, you know, what the friedman were thinking of. they wanted economic equity, and they wanted to be able to make a living for themselves. they wanted to be able to vote all those kinds of things are still pertinent today. >> let's bring in msnbc correspondent trymaine lee into this conversation. trymaine, you visited galveston, texas, the origin of today's holiday. what did you find out? >> that's right, mika. back to galveston, the birthplace of juneteenth, and talking to folks there, saying the one thing that are most important to the formerly enslaved, first thing they did, they bought land they wanted to build houses and communities. it was a threat at every turn. in the contemporary threat, it continues to be at risk of losing everything they've built. i talked to folks about those forces that are colluding against the black community

today. let's take a listen. >> you're here on the southwest of 22nd and strand where the juneteenth story began >> reporter: it's been 157 years since the very first juneteenth celebration. here on the island of galveston in texas, where the last of america's enslaved black people were finally freed sam collins is the co-chair of the juneteenth legacy project. >> we're at the church on broadway where the union soldiers would have moved through the city and posted the notice, general order number 3, on the door here. >> reporter: general order number 3 required absolute equality but for galveston's black community, equality has been anything but absolute. >> people talk about black wall street in tulsa, but there were many communities that were successful outside of those stories of places that were destroyed. galveston was one of those thriving communities. >> reporter: he says low paying jobs, a risieing cost of living

young and middle class black folks fleeing for better opportunities elsewhere all drained his historic neighborhoods. in 2008, a near death blow to the community, hurricane ike. >> galveston is a shattered disaster zone. >> reporter: 75% of galveston's buildings and houses were taken out by the storm, including nearly 600 units of public housing. the primarily black residents who lived there had no choice but to relocate. between 2000 and 2010, galveston's black population plummeted by 37% the city was eventually forced by the federal government to bring some public housing units back then came the pandemic as struggling families dislocated, galveston drew in wealthny y investors. >> many of the homes that used to be occupied by black families are now short-term rentals. >> black families moving in? >> no. i -- i have almost never heard of any black families moving in

at all. >> reporter: generations of june's family grew up in galveston, in this century old clap board house by the gulf i recognize this front porch. >> it is where we are now. this is my great grandfather, ralph albert, who was 5 the year of juneteenth. >> reporter: folks called this the island of color, a name that has faded with time. >> i guess what is at stake is the preservation of this important history. they made homes for themselves they educated themselves they formed organizations. >> i want to bring back black folks having some economic influence on the island. >> reporter: long-time resident anthony griffin is breathing new life into old black galveston. >> we want to put commercial development there, place a hotel on the other side of this street we own three, four lots on the other side. >> reporter: his plan? buy up as much land as he can to house and employ families still

fighting for the true freedom that was promised. >> if you don't have economic opportunity, if you don't own land, if you're not able to participate fully in the american dream, you can't ever have absolute equality. >> mika, despite everything this community is going through, they are resolute and strong and trying to make sure they hold on to everything they built over the years. because of the ek m noconomic a natural forces, folks are struggling, but they are standing strong. >> msnbc correspondent trymaine lee, thank you so much for that report we appreciate it >> and, annette, let's talk a little bit, again, just to the history behind the event ry i loved your book f first of all, i loved your ambivalent relationship with texas. not like wagner's "i love the south, i hate the south. it is fascinating, how you really love texas, you identify as a texan, but then you look

back at what happened then and what is happening now. it is a very, very complicated relationship you have with that state. >> yes, it is. i'm in austin now, and it is 103 degrees, so it is quite complicated. [ laughter ] yeah, it is a very, very -- it's a complicated situation because texas is where i grew up i learned to, you know -- my parents loved me my brothers, my grandparents i think of community and family when i think of texas. that's what draws me to the place, but i know there are lots of problems. certainly, the country is aware of texas' problems because it's in the news quite a bit. but i just have hope for it. i mean, that segment you did before, where you have a person who is taking measures to try to build economic strength in galveston, who hasn't given up hope and wants to do something for the community is very heartening to me

you know, i love to see that kind of thing. >> again, just the background, it's so remarkable that when we think of the end of the civil war, we think of april of 1865 we talk about that as the end. as you write, and as you explain, there are a lot of people across the south, a lot of slave holders in texas that did not want to give up human beings as their property >> no, it was their property they had come to texas from georgia and alabama and other places trying to make sure that they would be in a place where they could safeguard their property rights. but it's property in human beings, and they didn't want to give up. we're thinking about one of the things that was eluded to in the segment before, the fact that slavery ended but that didn't end the notion of a racial hierarchy. there were people, the former

enslavers, who enacted violence and put in place other measures designed to keep black people as near to slavery as possible. it was a continuing struggle it was the end of something, but it was the beginning of something else that is black people's attempt in texas to make better lives for themselves >> all right annette gordon-reed, thanks so much for being here. >> good to see you. >> great to see you. two republican senators are coming to donald trump's defense in the classified document case. wonder who they are. >> i don't know. >> we're going to debunk their claims just ahead. we're also following the latest out of beijing, where secretary of state antony blinken has just wrapped up meetings with chinese president xi jinping "morning joe" is back in just a moment

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now, the stage is clear for wyndham clark. who takes down all the stars in los angeles to win the united states open. >> wow, wyndham clark held off the talented group of challengers to win the u.s. open yesterday in los angeles it is his first major championship clark had never finished better than 75th in any major yesterday, he carded an even par for a 10 under total score, one stroke better than rory mcilroy, whose nine-year major championship drought continues clark also became only the fourth player in the past 100 years to win the u.s. open after making the cut for the first

time in the tournament. >> beautiful story his mom. >> incredible story. >> his mom passed away. >> she was 54, breast cancer. >> told him to play big. >> and he definitely took her advice. >> and he said he carried that with him. >> yeah. >> on what a day rory had a great run >> yeah. >> missed a couple of easy putts along the way that could have made a difference, but, yeah, a very exciting tournament i just wish, jonathan lemire, things had turned out differently -- >> here we go. >> -- up in boston this weekend. i'm afraid to quote yamamoto, i fear that all we've done is awakened a sleeping giant. the yankees will probably beat us by 30 games this year i don't even talk about us

sleeping i don't even talk about us sweeping the yankees it makes me very uncomfortable because, you know, they're just going to beat us it is going to be worse in coming series, jonathan. >> it does feel like any celebration is tempting fate i agree with that. but the red sox, look -- >> trauma victims. >> that's true, mika the red sox swept the double-header yesterday. they swept the series against the yankees, and they have now beaten the yankees five out of their first six games this year. now, to be clear, the yankee lineup is not the same without aaron judge. they really didn't hit but the red sox had a knack for coming through in the clutch a couple times, got some good pitching for the first time all season, slashed some leather one of the worst defenses in the league. >> incredible catches. >> but they made great catch after great catch. >> look at this. >> including duran there in the triangle with a basket catch not sure i've ever seen that before at least we have this, this one

shining moment, joe. it'll be fleeting. this will be -- this feeling of joy will pass soon. >> yeah. >> but at least we had a father's day sweep against the new york yankees. >> happy father's day. >> what is it? seven-year cicadas, 19 >> 17, more than a decade. >> 17 years. 17 years >> right. >> you know the old saying, that even a blind squirrel can find a nut once in a while. this weekend, found three. >> all right. still ahead -- >> i'm filled with terrible resolve. we've awakened a sleeping giant with the yankees. >> don't respond, lemire. mike pence refuses to answer one key question we'll showou y that moment coming up on "morning joe. ♪ ♪ ♪

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we've had three successive elections with substandard results. not in florida we had a red wave in florida we showed what it means to win and win big. for the first time in our state since the era of the civil war, and you're not going to get a mulligan on the 2024 election. you're not going to be able to make any excuses about the 2024 election the time for excuses is over you either get it done or you don't. we will get it done. >> florida governor ron desantis in nevada headlining a conservative event the presidential candidate did not mention former president trump by name but did use his speech to draw contrast between his record and the republican front runner donald trump will tell you he's a winner, so, i mean, ron desantis is saying there's a culture of losing? >> yeah. >> i can't even imagine what he might be talking about. >> there is. i mean, if you go back and actually look and go year by

year -- you can't do it straight, can you? >> i can't. >> they lost in 2017. >> i -- >> trump lost in 2018. >> it's just that -- >> lost in 2019. he lost in 2020. lost in 2021. >> you draw it out. >> you know why? republicans still haven't figured it out. >> well -- >> i tell you that everybody is nice out there, and they are >> they are. >> i went to fenway with my son this weekend >> people were nice. >> one of my 87 sons went to fenway with jack this weekend. everybody was so wonderful everybody was nice i was walking around downtown, and everybody, again, very, very nice. >> yeah. >> one person came up to me. i'm walking past, talking to a friend. >> oh. >> jack's friend's father. i'm talking, and he says to me, "trump won," then he hurled off a couple of "he is going to win again," and then he hurled off some vulgarities that even i can't say here. >> yeah. >> i just turned to him and go,

"i hope he wins again. this is what you don't understand, we want him to win the nomination because he'll lose ag finished forever. the guy was pissed off i said, "how long will you be okay with losing we're ready to fire everybody at the red sox because they keep losing how long?" he just looked at me you're not hurting me. you're hurting yourself. you know, it is interesting, ron desantis had the mcarthur quote that was the quote i had in my campaign headquarters in '94 republican hadn't won our district since reconstruction in 1873 nobody thought a 29-year-old kid was going to win i just had, though, i typed it out, "there is no substitute for victory. every day, i said, "listen, does this get us closer to winning or

losing does this move us toward victory, or does it keep us stationary?" because we have a long way to go this is about victory. if we don't win, we can't change the country. this is something, again, for the life of me, rev, i don't understand i don't understand what republicans are thinking because if you don't win, you don't change the country it seems to me, right now, they seem a lot more interested in preaching to the choir they seem a lot more interested in being the victims they seem a lot more interested in making up these stupid fights instead of taking the message to the people and winning elections, which they haven't done since 2016. >> absolutely. it really is a weakness that they keep repeating because it opens them up to those that are serious on the other side, going for victory and understanding victory is victory you cannot make defeat victory

just because you're engaged in some kind of unreasonable rational you have convicted yourself it says a lot, also, joe, about the leadership it shows that you have people like donald trump that victory, to them, is them being out there. it doesn't matter if everybody else loses it doesn't matter whether the cause they claim to represent lose loses. it doesn't matter if their policies are not enacted it's about them. if you have leaders that are only about them and they're not about something bigger than them, you're going to lose every time. >> every single time let me bring in donny deutsch, the host of "on brand with donny deutsch. i have to say, the desantis message to the republican primary is right on. think what you want about donald trump. here's the deal, he loses. like, you can have a football coach that you love to take out to dinner, tells the funniest stories, has you laughing for an

hour and a half, but you get killed every saturday afternoon. your team gets run over every saturday afternoon if you want to win the ncaa championship, you have to get somebody in there that knows how to win this guy has lost six, seven, eight elections in a row it's like, again, what's crazy is, no organization, certainly not the republican party that i used to be a part of, would put up with a loser that loses in '17, '18, '19, '20, '21, '22, '23. yet, they're still embracing a loser because they would rather be victims than winners. >> there is nothing more american than winning, and there is nothing more un-american than losing so if you kaind of start from that vantage point, not only is he a loser the last six years, but since then, let's look forward right now, we've had january 6th. we've had two indictments. we have a third coming we've got a very robust american

economy. we're 16, 18 months away what would cause that to change at this point? it is not going to be looking backwards. let's look forward he is a six-time loser what would possibly cause victory on the seventh time? it's just more arguments for going in the other direction i mekntioned this last week meacham talked about it, maybe there's a million voters in the country that will decide this election show me the swing voter. show me the independent. show me the suburban voter from philadelphia that's going to -- that left trump and is going back to him at this point? >> they don't exist. they don't exist donny -- >> they're not there they're not there. >> if you didn't vote for donald trump before january 6th and before he got caught stealing nuclear secrets -- let me say it again. if you didn't vote for donald trump before january 6th -- >> ain't going back. >> -- and after he got caught stealing nuclear secrets and you're in the suburbs of

atlanta, philadelphia, detroit, wisconsin, phoenix, there is nothing, nothing that is going to get you to vote for him now >> it's interesting. i have a group of friends, my focus group, suburban identities, guys that voted for trump the first time, i think some secretly voted for him a second time. they are -- you mentioned exhaustion they will so begrudgingly vote for joe biden. they said, "i can't vote for trump. i can't. i'll hold my nose and vote for biden. say what you want, but they've lost him they'd run back to ron desantis and tim scott, but they are running away from donald trump. >> joining us, as well, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times," peter baker. we want to show you more of former president donald trump's former aides over the weekend. we heard from a number of them allies, former allies of donald trump, people who got out in

front of this former president and said things that were questionable at times. >> former boss not just former president, former boss. >> their former boss. >> that they put their lives on hold, they went into administration they worked for him. donald trump said they were the best people, the best and the brightest. >> and they held the line through some questionable times. here they are with their criticism of their former boss when it comes to the classified documents case against him >> this is not a circumstance whethe where he is the victim or this is government overreach. he provoked this whole problem himself. yes, he's been the victim of unfair witch hunts in the past, but that doesn't ovate the fact he is also a fundamentally flawed person who engages in reckless conduct that leads to situations, calamitous situations like this which are very destructive and hurt any political cause he is

associated with. this was a case that was entirely of his own making. >> how strong is the special counsel's case on obstruction specifically >> well, it is very strong because a lot of the evidence comes from his own lawyers furthermore, there is evidence of him saying things that are completely incompatible with any idea that this was an innocent document dispute. >> do you believe he lied to the justice department >> do i personally believe it? yes, i do. the legal theory by which he gets the tape, battle plans and sensitive national security information as his personal papers is on absurd it's as whacky as the legal doctrine they came up with for something the vice president unilaterally term who won the election he'll put his own interest and gratifying his own ego ahead of everything else, including the country's interest no question about it this is a perfect example of that he's like a defiant 9-year-old kid who is always pushing the glass toward the edge of the table, defying his parents to stop him from doing it it's a means of self-assertion

and exerting his dominance over other people he's a very petty individual who will always put his interests ahead of the country's, his personal gratification of his ego. but our country -- our country can't be a therapy session for, you know, a troubled man like this >> based on your experiences working president trump and the actions alleged in the indictment, can trump ever be trusted with the nation's secrets ever again >> if his actions are proven true under the indictment by the special counsel, no. i mean, it's just irresponsible action that places our service members at risk, places our nation's security at risk. >> you understand the seriousness of this better than i do why is it -- why is it a risk to the nation's security to have these documents lying around at mar-a-lago >> well, imagine if a foreign agent, another country, were to discover documents that outlined america's vulnerabilities or the

weaknesses of the united states military, think of how that could be exploited and used against us in a conflict, how an enemy could develop countermeasures, things like that in the case of the most significant piece that was raised in the allegation about u.s. plans to attack iran, think about how that affects our readiness, our ability to prosecute and attack if, indeed, we know that iran eventually develops a nuclear weapon and we need to act on it? i mean, those things affect our ability to effectively execute policy and could also affect, again, the lives of our military members who are set forth to do such operations. i'm concerned about this these are serious obligations and need to be taken seriously by everybody involved. >> i mean, these are two of the most prominent jobs in a presidential administration. >> i know. >> these two gentlemen, especially bill barr, you get a sense that he has taken a look at this indictment and is worried about a number of

things what history is going to say, but also what this indictment spells out there's no turning back from it. this is incredible. >> yeah. here's john bolton, also, his national security adviser, this is what john bolton had to say yesterday. >> i think he was kind of a collector of things that he thought were of interest to him for some reason or another clippings, mementos, classified documents. it was very disturbing we could see in the course of meetings with him, intelligence briefings, decision meetings, that, sometimes, he liked to retain things. it became the practice just to make sure we got them back in as many cases as we could obviously, we failed in many cases, but it was a pattern that was evident to me from my earlier days. >> did he ask you to hold on to a document that concerned you? >> well, there were some that we did get back, others, the most famous that, to me, demonstrates why i don't need to read the

indictment or believe its allegations are true, though i'm pretty confident they are, was the famous tweet that he did after getting an overhead picture of a failed iranian missile l launch, which he was shone shown during an intelligence meeting and he didn't give it back it was tweeted before the officials got back to their offices. >> secretary of defense said what he did, was unauthorized, illegal and dangerous. when asked, he said, "donald trump cannot be trusted with our national secrets putting him there would place our servicemen at risk and put our country at risk. you know, peter baker, you certainly covered the attorney general in his relationship with the white house while bill barr was in there he said -- he goes -- says,

really, puts it, i think, as well as anybody, that donald trump always puts his personal gratification and ego ahead of the country. went through a long list of things he's not the victim. he is very destructive he lied to the justice department the worst testimony against him doesn't come from the left, it comes from his own lawyers i'm curious what you've been -- what you've been reporting on since this indictment came down. we've seen more movement away from donald trump, at least from his former aides, even his former vice president. are you seeing -- are you picking up a trend here? >> yeah. i mean, look at who these people are. bill barr, john bolton, mark esper. these are not litberals or moderates. these are conservative republicans. i think bill barr and john bolton are certainly more conservative than donald trump ever was in terms of policy and ideology

what they saw when they were in the white house, what they're seeing in this indictment, which confirms what their observations were when they worked for president trump, is somebody who can't be trusted, someone who is not, in fact, in their view, fit for the oval office. when we wrote "the divider" last year, my wife and i, susan glasser, the worst and most damning testimony coming out for donald trump were from people who worked for him they were people who he picked to put in senior government roles. they were people who hoped to help him be a good president and came out feeling very disaffected and disturbed by what they saw. this indictment is being treated by a lot of republicans, even people who were allies of his, differently than the alvin bragg indictment and different than some of the allegations of the past because it involves national security. that's been a historic, you know, area of concern, at least expressed by republicans over the years. to let him off the hook for this

for a lot of republicans feels very, you know, disingenuous. >> to peter's point, rev, it was last year during the january 6th house committee hearings it was people who worked for trump who provided the most damning testimony. these weren't, indeed, democrats at the time or never trumpers. these were people who believed in him, at least for a time. let's talk about the politics of this tru trump is trying to run for the white house again. is there an opportunity for some of the other republicans to make a case as simple as this we heard chris christie start to do it, but i'm wondering if a vice president pence or governor desantis, top of the line candidates would do the same basically saying, look, the people who knew trump best are the ones running in the other direction saying, "he can't be trusted to be president again. is that a story line that could work, or can trump just dismiss them all, as he has in the past? >> i think it is a story line they should attempt. i don't know how much it works because i don't think you're ever going to get the trump cult

followers. but i think if you're going for those that are kind of now saying, as donny's group said, "i just can't do trump again," you at least start scoring with them that you have the courage to stand up. we're talking about a man under indictment for keeping classified documents i would say if i was running against him, "and you're going to put him in the white house to get more classified documents? i mean, you need to really paint the obvious picture to them that everybody sees but nobody is expressing of the top line contenders >> all right we're going to talk about this a lot more in the hours to come. we wanted to show you this exchange that really has everyone talking it's between california governor gavin newsom and sean hannity of fox news last week now, the host made claims that democratic economic policies are causing businesses to leave blue states well, that debate and newsom's

comments regarding florida governor ron desantis are leading to renewed speculation over the california governor's white house ambitions. take a listen. >> i'm a small business person i've started 21 companies, 1,000 employees. >> you're a great businessman. >> this is -- >> i know your background. >> this is my dna. i'm passionate about it. california never held me back, it gave every opportunity in the word elon musk, tesla exists because of california's framework. >> why are they moving the headquarters out to save money. >> they moved back. >> to save money. >> they moved the r&d world headquarters back three weeks ago. >> i gave you a list a mile long you can pick out one company. >> there is no state doing more in r&d than california. >> that's the answer. >> these companies are leaving for one reason. >> they're starting for another reason. >> they're moving to increase their profits and save money because you tax too much. >> because we create tdd the conditions where they flourish then they get to a point of maturity, and they get a point

of becoming multi-national. >> and they leave why? they move headquarters why >> some find greener pastures or are looking for defensive postures related to economic risk we have 47% increase in business start-ups this year compared that last year. >> would you not acknowledge -- >> but acknowledge the -- >> -- considerations -- >> it's almost a point of success. we birth these folks, they move out of the house, and thousands more replace them every year. >> they build their companies here, and all of a sudden, they're paying the high tax bill they move the headquarters away. >> geez. >> by the way, do you support the idea -- >> this is on its way to be the fourth largest economy in the world. what are you arguing for, mississippi's economic policy? that's what you're asking me. >> if i wanted -- >> the kansas policy it was a debacle no economic growth 71% of the gdp in america are in blue counties. 71% of the gdp. >> it's the population centers. >> progressive policies.

>> okay, that are paying high taxes and -- >> 71% of the country's wealth seven of the top ten dependent states. >> let's say you're right. >> we're subsidizing your states, sean >> i mean -- >> it was so much more to this >> yeah, it was. but the argument that sean was making is an argument that conservatives would make i mean, i think taxes are too high in california i think they're too high in new york i think they're too high in illinois i know a lot of people that will want to move out of those states at the same time, you don't get a level of services if you move out of those states. the numbers, you just can't debate the numbers, donny. 47% of the country's economy is out of california. california has the fourth largest gdp in the world the one technological revolution, one wave after

another of technological revolutions and start-ups. doesn't start in mississippi it doesn't start in texas. it starts in california. so, again, yeah, the taxes are high in california but you know what? they're also an environment there that the best and the brightest across the planet can't get anywhere else. and the start-ups are just extraordinary. they keep coming they keep starting up there. so that debate is absolutely fascinating, but i must say, donny, you know, there will be an interview -- and not comparing this to reagan's '64 goldwater speech -- but i will tell you, there are very few events that happen on tv, outside of "morning joe," of course, which always moves the nation by noon. >> duh, duh, right >> but very few television events that make people stop me

on airplanes, walking down the street in boston, sitting at a red sox game, talking to my friends in florida, my relatives, that have them all talking about gavin newsom i'll bet i had ten people randomly stop me about gavin newsom i'm a huge believer in anecdotal evidence i saw it in my own campaign. i've seen it in campaigns since. this interview struck a chord, and there are a lot of democrats that want to see gavin newsom in the ring. >> i have to tell ya, if you haven't seen the whole thing, watch the whole thing. that was a snippet that was just on california. but what was present from gavin newsom was facts fact after fact after fact you don't always see that on fox. when, basically when sean hannity starts to talk about the u.s. economy, newsom just fired at him, one after the other after the other. you were going, whoa, this guy

really knows his stuff i mean, i cannot remember seeing a politician that just well versed on no matter where hannity went he had the answer and had the answer that was based on hard, cold facts he made hannity look silly, and it was an expose on kind of what fox does they just throw out these random talking points about the u.s. economy sucks, then newsom was, "no, it doesn't, and here's why," bang, bang. >> i need to stop you there. far be it from me to defend other people on other networks, and if i did, i'd probably get in trouble, but let me just say that what sean hannity said is what you've probably said and what your friends have probably said and what i have said about taxes in california, about taxes in new york. >> yes. >> about taxes in illinois i think that's what made the debate so fascinating. sean hannity wasn't spitting out talks points he actually was presenting gavin newsom with really strong

argument. >> in that one instance. >> despite that -- that's what i'm talking about, in this economic argument. >> okay. >> and presented with a really tough case against newsom i thought the counter was extraordinarily well. >> the rest of the interview, it was blanket statements about everything that was wrong for everything he said yes, the specific thing about tax problems in california but his overall, you know, this country is just completely on the wrong track, newsom had incredible counterpunches. i am hearing the same thing you are hearing. that was a moment for newsom we've seen him on the stage. he's been in there but that was the first time you saw him really in the ring, and he was incredibly impressive. >> well, i think a lot of -- gavin newsom might say, and did in the interview, he was talking about joe biden's strength, the strength of his presidency and what he has accomplished everybody is lurching to, "gavin

newsom should run for president. he wants to run for president. how about speaking about the wins of this presidency in a strong and aggressive way. we need democrats to do that i think that's what gavin newsom did and can do for the biden presidency, which is, in some ways, sort of watching these indictments go by, watching the primary process go by. >> right. >> but probably should be punching harder about the wins that they have. >> listen, there's a communication problem, and you usually don't go, well, you know -- usually, when people at the white house say it is a kp communication people, it is not a communication people in this case, you have a guy with strong economic indicators out there. >> he's made history in this presidency. >> look at the bipartisan legislation being passed you look at what's happened with the allies, the support not only for ukraine but nato expanding beyond the dreams of any former president. you look at his outreach to asia and our military strength in

asia there are so many things. >> so many bragging. >> that's one side of the story. peter, the other side of the story, none of it, none of it i showing up in the polling. i'm sure you've heard from democrats like i have. they all say, well, most of them say, almost unanimously, i love joe biden. joe biden, i'll forever be grateful for what he did in 2020 he's been an incredible president. we need to find somebody else to be president everywhere we go, it upsets mika very much. >> yes, it does. >> it upsets her very much, but everywhere we go, even the most loyal person to the democratic party in joe biden will say that this is a -- this continues to be a question hanging over the white house in the summer of 2023 >> it does of course, president biden is heading out to california today to start doing some campaigning. he'll do some campaign

fundraising events you're right, there is a disconnect between the record that democrats love and the candidate that they don't -- you know, that they appreciate and respect and admire but don't necessarily want to run again next year. those numbers, his poll numbers are, in fact, weak, historically weak for an incumbent president at this stage. when you talk about the weaknesses former president trump has and how can he possibly win next year all good points. the real reason republicans still think they can win is because president biden is so weak in the poll, because he hasn't translated the successes he's had legislatively into a larger, broader support. when push comes to shove, if it is a rematch of 2020 and it is biden or trump, a lot of people, as donny said, may hold their nose and vote for biden anyway the worry for the democrats is not that people will go to trump, the worry is they'll stay home and not getxcited by biden and not come out the profile is appealing to a

lot of democrats for newsom because they want a fighter. they want people to be as aggressive on their side as, say, a donald trump or ron desantis is on the other side. watching gavin newsom shadowbox with ron desantis the last few months is interesting. you can see how that can be a contest of the future, maybe next year. we'll see. >> we shall see. i'll ask ya the same thing, jonathan lemire. the white house has to hear the constant drum beat we've gone through it. joe biden always underestimated. joe biden always wins. but, man, the drum beat just gets stronger and stronger every week i mean, you know, he makes a statement like "god save the queen" at the end of a speech, everybody is calling going, "this is the end this is the end. it seems every time, there's something that happens, everybody gets on the phone and they start talking

again, they overlook a lot of the successes. i mean, do they think they have a communication problem? do they think they need to be more assertive, getting these wins out there >> well, being nervous is a permanent condition for democrats, but they are particularly nervous right now about president biden, despite his impressive -- no other way to say it -- impressive track record in office at this point the white house can read the poll numbers they see the lack of enthusiasm about democrats for biden in '4 onward, even if they think he's done a good job to this point. there are concerns with the president's age, especially when he says things no one understands. no one knew what the "god save the queen" comment was they were nervous when he fell on the stage in colorado what would have happened if he broke a bone and had to wear a cast what would that look like? again, these are things that shouldn't matter, perhaps, because of his record. we could point to it, and we do

on this show all the time, about the resume he has. but we also have to be realistic. we're reporting what we are hearing out there and, frankly, what the polls suggest, is that democrats are anxious about this. >> yeah. rev, i nknow, you know, leaders are hearing it "the new york times" called you. i know you don't like talking about this. >> i think every single republican candidate would love to have joe biden's problems they would love it that their only issue is they're older. >> why are you upset that every democrat you talk to says this >> get over it he's your candidate. start talking about the -- be like gavin newsom. do better. there's a lot to talk about. >> rev, it's kind of hard to run a presidential campaign when everybody, every democrat it seems, is going around talking about him being too old to run again, i'm not one of those people i am not look at his record look at the fact that, again,

he's outperformed all expectations consistently. yet, this democratic party, which, actually, let's face it, they said he was dead on arrival after iowa, after new hampshire, before south carolina. he's proven them wrong time and time again and, yet, i'm sure you've heard it, too. >> i've heard it i'm glad you brought it up so we can deal with it and debunk it the fact of the matter is, the choices you have right now is a president that gave us infrastructure, gave us dealing with the question of where we are dealing with the inflation, where we're dealing with covid and we're deal winning a guy tha - dealing with a guy that's indicted in the federal courts and the state courts. >> twice. >> they're four years apart. i mean, let's really talk about what we're talking about here. the end of the day, who do you want to give the country to? joe biden is old we knew how old he was when we

voted for him four years ago yesterday, joe, was father's day. i had to do my radio show, preach a sermon, go out with my daughters and grandson, and i had to do my television show i decided when i looked in the closet that those nice, new, shiny shoes would not help me all day. i got the shoes that i have worn before because i knew i could make it back home. >> amen. amen >> i like that a lot. >> that's a preacher talking [ laughter ]. >> all the people said, amen >> chief white house correspondent for "the new york times," peter baker. >> hold on, have you ever used that before? >> no. >> the rev -- >> it's fresh. >> i like that, rev. >> donny, thank you. donny will be back in the fourth hour of "morning joe." >> good. >> with a new edition of "brand up, brand down." >> donny, how long will you stick with the elliott glasses >> i need help to look smart

these give me a little fakeout, that maybe this guy knows what he is talking about. >> you think that, huh >> the iq just drops immediately without it >> it's true. >> i disagree. >> i think you look kind of good, donny. >> yeah. >> i've never said that. >> never. >> thank you, donny. an update in the war in ukraine as the counteroffensive has both sides suffering a high number of casualties we'll get a live report from ukraine next on "morning joe."

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to workouts and new adventures you hope the more you give the less they'll miss. but even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. although uncommon, up to 1 in 5 survivors of meningitis will have long term consequences. now as you're thinking about all the vaccines your teen might need make sure you ask your doctor if your teen is missing meningitis b vaccination. intelligence out of the united kingdom suggests both ukrainian and russian forces are suffering a high number of casualties in the early stages of the counteroffensive so far in ukraine's push to regain land, the uk says, russian forces have conducted, quote, relatively effective defensive operations, and that

ukraine has made small advances. but the intelligence also says russia is suffering losses at its fastest clip since the peak of the battle for bakhmut. joining us live from eastern ukraine is nbc news correspondent raf sanchez. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: good morning. we are seeing intense, grinding combat across the east and the south of this country right now. this is difficult fighting ukrainian forces are attacking heavily fortified russian positions. the russians have had a lot of time to dig in, to plant land mines, and pause tbecause the fg is happening closer to russia itself and occupied crimea, we're seeing the russians bringing more and more of their superior air power to the fight. for all of that, mika, the ukrainians are making ground in just the last couple hours, they've confirmed they have liberated a small village near the zaporizhzhia power plant that we've, of course, all been so concerned about in the last

couple of months you can see there the blue and yellow flag up once again in that village for the first time in a long time now, this is, we should be clear, a small village this is not a major city this is an indication that this progress right now is being measured in yards more than miles. but the ukrainians also having some success with long-range missile strikes, hitting russian ammunition depots deep behind enemy lines. we think they're doing that with these british-made storm shadow missiles mika, at the same time that president zelenskyy and his officials in kyiv are keeping such a close eye on what's going on on the battlefield, they are also keeping an eye on politics back in the united states, because they are concerned about what may be the future in terms of western supplies to ukraine it was really striking this weekend how we saw ukraine emerge as one of the dividing lines in the republican primary

and one of the relatively few areas where mike pence feels comfortable directly confronting his former boss. i want you to have a listen to what he told chuck todd on "meet the press" over the weekend. >> we did peace through strength now, my former running mate, seeing war raging in eastern europe, is signaling an ambiguous message, not even able to say who he would prefer to see win the war in ukraine i think the united states needs to stand by the courageous fighters in ukraine, give them the resources, more quickly than joe biden has. >> reporter: mika, you hear pence there outlining this kind of traditional reagan-ite, conservative foreign policy, very different from the transactional approach we've heard from donald trump. as pence said, trump not making clear whether he has a strong preference whether the russians or the ukrainians win this war

now, richard engel, my colleague, asked president zelenskyy about the politics around ukraine in the republican primary. the president said he welcomed trump, desantis and anyone else to come to ukraine and see what's happening with their own eyes. >> there you go. >> reporter: mika? >> raf sanchez, thank you very much for that report this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," it was an especially violent weekend across the country, and police are now investigating at least four mass shootings. we'll have the latest on that. also ahead, the supreme court finally strikes the right balance on voting rights columnist david french joins us ahead with his latest piece. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. what are folks 60 and older up to these days? getting inspired! volunteering! playing pickleba...!

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there were several mass shootings over the weekend as americans celebrated juneteenth and father's day nbc news national correspondent gabe gutierrez has the details. >> reporter: this morning, heartbreak across several communities nationwide after a violent holiday weekend. overnight, four people shot and killed in idaho, as shootings in san francisco and chicago left se several people injured just a few miles away in a chicago suburb, a juneteenth celebration turned deadly when a fight broke out and bullets started flying. >> we were all just out, and next thing you know, shots got going off. >> reporter: one person killed, nearly two dozen injured no arrests so far as police investigate a motive for the attack in san diego, another juneteenth celebration rocked by gunfire. >> someone was just shot >> he's unconscious. i don't know if he is breathing. >> reporter: that shooting killing one person after police say a fight broke out in a crowd. no arrests there either.

>> people were panicking, swerving cars, people falling, running with their kids. it wasn't good to see. >> reporter: in st. louis, another shooting early sunday morning during a large party at an office building a 17-year-old is dead and nine other teenagers between the ages of 15 and 19 were injured. >> it's every parent's worth nightmare ten-fold. >> reporter: police there have a 17-year-old person of interest in custody >> multiple firearms recovered at the scene, including ar style rifle pistols as well as a handgu handgun. >> reporter: in california, eight were wounded at a shooting at a pool party south of los angeles. washington state near an electronic dance music festival, at least two people shot dead, three injured. the suspect was shooting randomly into the crowd before being taken into custody >> we don't know what the motives were or what the intentions were of the shooter >> nbc's gabe gutierrez with

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the national debt is identical to joe biden's. >> there's been promises made about draining the swamp, building the wall, none of that came to fruition. >> he's a fundamentally flawed person who engages in reckless conduct. >> i don't need to read the indictment or believe its allegations are true, even though i'm confident they are. >> i view them serious and disqualifying for commander and chief. >> anybody who doesn't want to look at the facts, they should

be disqualified from running. >> for months donald trump enjoyed frontrunner status in the 2024 presidential race without pushback from the gop. that has changed following his federal indictment for refusing to turn over classified documents. two former critics of jump continue to defend his handling of our nation's secret. >> they're fine, let's be clear, they're fine with donald trump stealing nuclear secrets, stealing secrets on our plans to attack iran, stealing secrets on weaknesses pertaining to the weaknesses of the united states government and they're fine with him holding them in unsecured locations, which begs the questions should they have any

security access? >> begs a lot of questions we'll debunk the information jonathan la mere still with us and reverend al sharpton and david french >> david, we've been looking at these clips all morning. mika, while looking at the latest batch we've been talking about them and she just said this feels different is that a conclusion you're reaching >> yeah, i mean, it's pretty obvious for the first time in a long time you have a number of prominent republicans, including not just the traditional trump critics, who are unleashing on trump. here's the thing, joe, you look at where they're unleashing -- i'm not casting the aspersions on doing it. it's mainstream media outlets.

what's going to be the coverage on fox what's going to be the coverage on newsmax those are the people who have the pulse on the primary voters in the republican party. right now you're seeing some signs of light, maybe sometimes on fox, but much of the rest of the right wing media is still lock step. they're still all in with this guy. that's why you see the ted cruzs of the world and other republicans. here's what's the worst, joe, they're not fine with it, but they're so afraid for their political future or afraid of donald trump, they're acting like they're fine with it. we have seen people do one thing with their own lives and defend donald trump or say one thing in private and defend donald trump. >> in this case, to say lindsey

graham knows better, he's been on the armed services committee in the united states house and the senate every day since like 1995 when he came to washington, d.c. i mean, he certainly understands better than anybody what's at stake when somebody steals nuclear secrets. how is t-- how that's different than what joe biden did, what mike pence did, lying to your lawyers, lying to the fbi about the most sensitive secrets that the united states has? he knows better. >> of course he does he's an air force guys he's handled classified documents for years. as somebody who lives in the heart of red america, i know the critiques you're seeing on some of these shows are not

penetrating through to the trump voting public. they're still completely ensconced in their bubble. i've seen some things on fox where they're allowing critical trump voices to make their case. in some of those outlets it's al hillary clinton this, joe biden this rarely are there facts including the picture evidence, the lies, rarely does it break through until it breaks through, the primary gap is still saying why. >> this is a fascinating question i talk about my friends, family members in the state of florida. it's a swing state still a swing state. not as much as it used to be

charlie sykes in wisconsin saying the same thing. from his friends, family members in wisconsin, he's starting to see exhaustion kick in you're in deep red tennessee where some of your elected officials say some of the most egregious things about this. are you finding in your church, in your community, among friends the change that charlie and i are finding among people who voted for donald trump twice >> not really. i'm seeing the exhausted people are more exhausted the people who are already a little bit out of trump are more out on trump among the hard core -- joe, we're not seeing any substantial change in the polls. i'm not sensing any change in the temperature and the vibes that you think about that sometimes -- >> david, explain this to me again, back when i was a

republican, it wasn't enough to win. we had to win big. it wasn't -- i mean, we had to win every two years. >> it was an obsession there was no substitute for victory. i said that was over my campaign headquarters in my first campaign that was the mantra of the republican party i'm just curious how can these people who sat through one loss after another since 2017 -- and see this information, like nuclear secrets -- >> they don't want to see they were wrong about trump. >> it's not right now a question about whether you're going to support donald trump or joe biden or donald trump or aoc it's donald trump or ron desantis donald trump or tim scott. donald trump or nikki haley. donald trump or mike pence they're still picking the guy that's lost every year since

2017 >> we're dealing with deep pride and identity issues, joe if you leave trump, is that an admission that you were wrong? is that an admission that maybe he's done wrong things are you giving aid and comfort to people on the other side of the aisle or never trumpers who you disespise or dislike. this is a conversation where the policy matters, or electoral politics are downstream from pride or identity. this feeling, you'll see it when you talk to people, if i give up on trump, they win the one thing i cannot do is help them to win we're talking at a level of identity that is very deep and profound i'm not sure how you crack through that and, you know, we'll see it if ever happens.

>> you know, i'm not saying this to be glib i'm talking about my people, my tribe, my region i love the south i am -- i mean, it's my home just like it's your home are we moving into lost cause territory with a third of the country? are we moving into lost cause territory where -- again, because the idea of politics is to win elections these people have to know donald trump will not win in 2024. >> but these people believe biden runs a crime family and his son has access to as many secrets as trump did they believe many conspiracy theories lost cause may be a good word. it's a harsh assessment, but that may be where we are because of the disinformation.

>> my question is, would they rather -- i'm not being snarky or glib here would they rather be victims would they rather be snowflakes? would they rather cling on to that agrievment? >> that's not the way they would frame it in their minds. they say it's most important to be right if you go down with the ship being right, then you go down with the ship. >> is desantis wrong for them? he's playing all the weak, pathetic snow flake triggered -- and he doesn't have two indictments and he won an

election in 2022. >> and not found liable for sexual abuse and defamation. >> that's playing the ted cruz book i'm playing from the right it wasn't that trump won the primary because he was running the right. in many ways he wran to the lef on some subjects he's running on trump's playbook trump's not conservative enough. i'm getting results. so far it's not working, like it didn't work on 2016. >> pete wainer has a new article for "the atlanta." he writes trump doesn't just cross moral lines, he doesn't seem capable of understanding moral categories

what's true of trump isn't true of the majority of his enablers. they see the colors that trump cannot they still know right from wrong. for a combination of reasons they have overridden their conscious. in some cases unwittingly and in some cases cynically they have talked themselves into believes that trump is america's martyr and america's savior. trump's behavior speaks to his own behavior but trump's behavior has proved to be a test of the character of others with very few exceptions and to varying degrees they have failed it. donald trump could not have so deeply wounded our republic without his enables. it took a team effort. >> as we look at those words, i think back being in congress in '99 and at the beginning of

impeachment, the impeachment hearings, people were demanding that i vote, yes, on all four. to come out immediately and say, yes, i'm going to impeach bill clinton on all four articles i said why don't we wait and hear what the evidence is first. they were so indignant and i heard this all over florida, especially from churches, this man is immoral this is going to be the downfall of our country to have such an immoral man in the white house character counts character is king. character is destiny you put the word character there and if you were not for throwing bill clinton out of the white house you were corrupt, you were immoral, you were unworthy of being in congress.

these are now the same people who are fine with donald trump illegally paying off a porn star, who were fine with donald trump starting the riot on january 6th and letting the rioters beat the hell out of the cops these are the very people who said they couldn't trust bill clinton because he was so immoral having his finger on the button heard that for eight years, every day for eight years. now they're fine with their guy stealing nuclear secrets and lying to the fbi, lying to the doj and lying to his own lawyers about it you talk about hypocrisy, this is next level hypocrisy. >> it is definitely next level hypocrisy. it also shows a real failure in leadership because leadership is tested when you stand for what

you know is, not only right, but best for the people you're leading, even if they can't see it the people that are great leaders in history are the ones that sometimes had to stand against their own crowd and in the end the crowd sees they did what was right to protect them donald trump is leading the republican party and the right into mass dresdestruction. if he keeps playing this way and those who are cowardly and won't stand up to him, it's the downfall of the republican party. >> david french, a lot of washington and the country looking toward the supreme court. major decisions coming this week and next, including about affirmative action, student loan debt relief and the like you wrote about voting rights. you say the supreme court

finally strikes the right balance, the decision about alabama. tell us what you mean. there are some who believe that even this did not go far enough and they see the door being opened for appeals for you right now they got it right? >> yeah. i'll tell you why they got it right. we have come a long way in race relations in this country since the civil right act and we have a long way to go both of those things are true. i said this supreme court case finally brings the supreme court voting rights case law into harmony with that reality. you have progress that has been made, but there was a lot of doubt as to the future viability of voting rights in this country. what this case did was say, wait, where we have extreme racial polarization in voting

and where you'll seen the gerrymandering lingo, we'll step in at that point that demonstrates there's still a ways to go and still a need for court intervention i think the supreme court with these cases now finally has reconciled that fact >> david, i was one that was a little surprised that the court decision on the side of those that were defending voting rights and what happened in alabama. i saluted legal defense fund and janai nelson and the team that made it happen are you afraid the other cases still pending, like affirmative action and others, now you have roberts and kavanaugh saying we'll fail in your eyes on the left, so you can't call us names

when we go right on affirmative action maybe i'm being cynical. is this a setup to reverse in other areas? >> i think they're really different cases. in the alabama situation you had a situation from jim crow into reforms in the '90s there wasn't an alabama congressman who was black for more than 100 years. you had several districts there was only one black congressman even though blacks are about 30% of the population. you have different facts here. if harvard loses that case, it doesn't have anyone to blame but the people in the mirror there's evidence of discrimination against asian applicants, including marking them down for things like their

personality scores to bring down their application. this is a really different case. the harvard case, the evidence of discrimination is against harvard. in the alabama case, the case against historical discrimination was against alabama. if those cases have different outcomes, it's because they have different facts. >> david, how can the court protect asian americans and make sure that they're not discriminated against the way harvard discriminated them, while not completely coming to a very dramatic conclusion that actually does set back the possibility of moving forward on race and trying to have a more balanced population, not only at harvard, but every college across america >> if you look at the record of

the harvard case, you'll see the plaintiffs in that case put in race neutral plans that would have achieved an enormous amount of diversity here's the thing, they would have had to eliminate legacy admissions that's where people or children of family members or alumni get a break. you have a situation where harvard discriminated against asian students and benefited lel legacy students. harvard kept these legacy admissions and then engaged in racial targeting which created their classes. the plaintiffs said you don't have to do that to achieve diversity. you don't have to discriminate against race to achieve diversity, but you have to do

something about legacy admissions harvard wasn't willing to do that it's a complex area. one thing we know is you should not achieve diversity through discrimination >> david french, thank you very much for coming on this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," secretary of state antony blinken meets with president xi. we'll go over that. plus, a conversation about the legacy of juneteenth and how it became a federal holiday. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. so have we. that's why new dove body wash now has 24-hour renewing micro moisture for continuous care. new dove body wash. change is beautiful. my husband and i have never been more active. shingles doesn't care.

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president xi jinping the associated press reports their meeting lasted roughly 45 minutes. they cite footage from the meeting released by chinese state media in which president xi is saying, quote, the two sides have agreed to follow through on the common understandings president biden and i have reached in bali that meeting taking place this morning. >> very early this morning for us, not so for them. jonathan la mere this has been coming for sometime. i've been saying since 2007 i think the supremacy of china has been overvalued by americans i think china is obviously the rising power and we're going to share the world stage with them for the next 30, 40, 50 years. they certainly aren't going to dominate us.

i think this talk of just absolute collapse in the relationship has been overstated biden has been far more aggressive -- he's finally done something that every president said they were going to do he's done the pivot towards asia, strengthening our position with guam, the philippines, australia in a massive way that's the pushback other presidents talked about doing, but never did. it's what biden has done obviously, you can understand from china's point of view wrangled some feathers at the same time they had a very constructive -- we need china. china needs us it's just that simple whether you're talking about the economy, whether you're talking about the environment, what issues you're talking about,

global security, we need each other. they obviously were talking about some problems they had over the past couple years i'm sure they talked about economic issues, military issues, probably close up. i'm just speculating they talked about the yankees sweep of the red sox. >> this was the meeting that was originally scheduled for february, that was postponed when the chinese spy balloon was spotted over the united states tensions escalated and it took them several months to get to the point where they could have this meeting it was speculated that the secretary of state would meet with xi jinping. it was a waiting game to see how the conversations went with blinken's chinese counterpart.

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we turn back now to a number of former allies of former president trump breaking with their former boss. here's more of attorney general bill barr unleashing a new scathing assessment of donald trump's conduct related to the classified documents case. >> this is not a circumstance where he's the victim or this is

government overreach he created this problem. yes, he's been the victim of unfair witch hunts in the past, but he's also a fundamentally flawed person that leads to reckless situations like this which are destructive and hurt any political cause he's associated with. this was a case entirely of his own making. >> how strong is the special counsel's case on obstruction? >> it's very strong. there's evidence of him sa saying -- >> do you believe he personally lied to the justice department >> i do. the legal theory that he gets to take blaattle plans is absurd. it's as wacky as the doctrine they came up with that they said

the vice president can determine the election trump has good qualities and did some good things, but he's a narcissist he constantly engages in reckless conduct that puts his political followers at risk and the conservative and republican agenda at risk he will always put his own interests and gratify his own ego ahead of everything else, including the country's interest no question about it he's like a defiant 9-year-old kid pushing the glass towards the edge of the table defying his parents. it's a means of excerpting his dominance. he's a petty individual who will always put his interests ahead of the country, his personal gratification of his ego our country can't be a therapy session for a troubled man like

this >> that was worse than i thought. there are millions of questions, joe, as to why he didn't do this earlier, why he actually can tell this story as he was witnessing it from the inside. at the same time he clearly knows donald trump very, very well i guess the biggest takeaway here is that this must be so bad he has nowhere else to go, bill barr, but to say exactly the truth. i think the word he used is this guy is toast. >> he knew this donald trump when he worked for him anybody with him more than five minutes knows he puts his own interests in front of the interests of the country anybody that worked with him inside the white house figured that out you look, reverend al, at some of these words that barr said -- he's not the victim.

that's -- these snowflakes, they're such snowflakes. it's such irony that you have these trumpers who talk about snowflakes, they're the biggest snowflakes ever. they're victims. they're victimized by biographies of roberto clemente and hank aaron they're victimized by america trying to protect nuclear secrets. they're victimized by everything here's barr telling them you're not a victim he said trump is very destructive. this is entirely of his own making, which of course everybody knows it is. he lied -- barr said he liedto the justice department reckless conduct that p-- puts his own interests ahead of the country, ahead of the republican

party. the most damning part, the part that's going to cause the biggest obstacle for him saying out of jail, he said the most damning testimony comes from not left wingers, not democrats, but from his own lawyers >> no doubt about it you know, we can argue about barr should have come forward earlier. why did he come now? it's secondary to the fact that you're talking about a man that was the attorney general under donald trump making all thes statements and saying it unequivocally and really going to the fact that the law has been violated willfully by donald trump his motives are completely narcissistic he cares little about the country and i think that this is

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for me making juneteenth a federal holiday wasn't just a symbolic gesture it was a statement of fact for the country, to acknowledge the origin of original sin of slavery. to understand the war wasn't just about the union, but it was fundamentally about the country and freedom. to remember the emancipation proclamation wasn't just a document it captured the essence of freedom that galvanized the country. it proved that some ideas are more powerful and can't be denied it's a reminder that americans are all created equal and deserve to be treated equally throughout our entire lives. >> president biden speaking last week at the white house's

juneteenth concert today is the day that honors the day the last american slaves in the u.s. learned they were free. 158 years ago today soldiers from the union army rode into galveston, texas, and posted a written copy of the emancipation proclamation on the door of a local church joining us now historian annette gordon-reed. she's the author of the book entitled "on juneteenth. reverend al, you have the first question. >> thank you for being with us one of the things i think a lot of people miss that you deal with in the book is that, if it had not been for the union army coming if and posting it and protecting those enslaved, slavery would have continued, which is in many ways 100 years later with the civil rights act

asking for federal intervention even know as many of us are dealing with those issues. it's also been a battle of the union or federal government protecting against state's rights in a contemporary setting as we celebrate juneteenth, talk about the policies that we still must extract from that that are relevant today about protecting the rights of those enslaved, those treated unfairly, those treated unequally is part of the lessons of this day. it's not just about drinking kool-aid and celebrating. >> no, it's not the only thing i suppose we're thinking about making real the kinds of promise of emancipation and what the former enslaved people expected when slavery ended and the idea was to become a full citizen, to have full voting rights, to be treated qually, the right to make contracts and protect your

family, all those kinds of things, political and civic rights that other americans shared i would think making real that particular promise is something we're still working on >> so, annette, what kinds of policies do you think are the most prominent, most important ones that are perhaps being overlooked or falling back given the division that we're facing today? >> well, the first thing that comes to mind is voting rights and the concern about the capacity of all registered people, adults, who are citizens in the united states to be able to vote for their representatives. there are many things. we can think of the economic disparities that still exist and so forth i'm thinking about, you know, what the free men were thinking of they wanted economic equity and to be able to make a living for themselves and being able to

vote all those things are pertinent today. >> let's bring trymaine lee into this conversation. you visited galveston, texas what did you find out? >> going back to galveston and talking to folks there that said the things that were important to folks, the formerly enslaved wanted to buy houses, buy lands. i went down there to talk to folks about the forces colluding against the black community today. take a listen. >> you're on the southwest corner of 22nd and strand where the juneteenth story began it's been 157 years since the very first juneteenth celebration here on the island of galveston, texas, where the last of america's enslaved black

people were finally freed. >> we're at the church on broadway where the union soldiers would have moved through the city and posted the notice, general order number 3 on the door here. >> general order number 3 required absolute equality, but for galveston's black community, equality has been anything but absolute. >> there were many communities that were successful outside of those stories of places that were destroyed galveston was one of those thriving communities. >> he says low-paying jobs, rising cost of living, young and middle class black folks fleeing for better opportunity elsewhere, then hurricane ike. >> it's a disaster zone. >> 75% of galveston's houses and buildings were taken out by the

storm, including nearly 600 units of public housing. the primarily black residents had no choice but to relocate. between 2000 and 2010, galveston's black population plummeted by 37% the city was eventually forced by the federal government to bring some public housing units back then came the pandemic as struggling families dislocated, galveston drew in wealthy investors. >> many of the homes that used to be occupied by black families are now short-term rentals. >> black families moving in? >> no. i have almost never heard of any black families moving in at all. >> generations of families grew up in galveston in this century- old house by the gulf. >> this is the front porch where we are now this is my great grandfather who

was five in the year juneteenth. >> i guess what's at stake is just the preservation of this important history. they made homes for themselves they educated themselves they formed organizations. >> i want to bring back black folks having some economic influence on the island. >> long time resident anthony griffin is breathing new life into galveston. >> we want to put commercial development, place a hotel we own three or four lots on the other side. >> his plan, buy up as much land as he can to house and employee families still fighting for the true freedom that was promised. >> if you don't have economic opportunity, you can't ever have absolute equality. >> despite everything this community is going through, they are resolute and strong in trying to hold onto everything they built over the years, these

economic forces, these natural forces folks are struggling, but they're standing strong. >> trymaine lee, thank you very much for that report we appreciate it. >> let's talk a little bit just of the history behind the event. i loved your book. first of all, it's not an ambivalent relationship with texas. it's not like faulkner's i love the south, i hate the south. it's just so fascinating how you really love texas. you identify as a texan. but then you look back at what happened then and what's happening now, and it is a very, very complicated relationship you have with that state. >> yes, it is. i'm actually in austin now it's 103 degrees, so it's quite complicated. [ laughter ] >> yeah.

it's a complicated situation because texas is where i grew up my parents, my brothers, my grandparents, it's community and family when i think of texas that's what draws me to the place. but i know there's lots of problems certainly the country is aware of texas's problems, because it's in the news quite a bit i have hope. the segment you have before with the person who's taking measures to try to build economic strength in galveston who hasn't given up hope and wants to do something for the community is very heartening to me. i love to see that kind of thing. >> again, just background, it's so remarkable that when we think of the end of the civil war, we think about april of 1865. we think about appomattox. as you write and you explain,

there are a lot of people across the south, a lot of slave holders in texas that did not want to give up human beings as their property. >> no. it was their property. they had come to texas from georgia and alabama and other places trying to make sure they would be in a place where they could safeguard their property rights there was rekals trans s legis slavery ended but that didn't end the notion of a racial hierarchy. the people enacted violence and put other measures in place to keep black people as near to slavery as possible. it was a continuing struggle it was the beginning of black people's attempt in texas to make better lives for

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in 2016, donald trump promised to govern as a conservative i'm proud to say that we did for four years under the trump/pence admini administration but he makes no such promise today. >> one of the few times mike pence was willing to make direct criticism of donald trump. the former vice president deflected on a separate key question we will show you that moment in a moment we also have a long time federal prosecutor for washington, d.c. standing by for expert analysis

on trump's classified documents case and a prediction on what jack smith could have coming for the former president. >> that might not be good. >> i don't think it's good welcome back to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it's 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. on the east >> hold on a second. jonathan lemire, i haven't been following baseball closely what happened this weekend with the red sox and the yankees? >> the red sox swept the yankeess, if you can believe it. they swept the entire series three straight. >> really? >> they've won 5 of 6 against the yankees so far this year >> speaking of the west coast, we have of course on the show

look at the a.l. east and don't really feel any need to look at any others, but i will tell you, for our friends onthe west coast just waking up, one of the great frustrations for us, a lot of people in manhattan beach want to see that but one of the great frustrations for those of us on the east coast are the superstars that play for the angels that we never get to really see we never get to see the two greatest players, i think, in this time, possibly of all time. they're in second place now. the angels are actually putting a season together. again, for baseball lovers on the east coast, i hope that continues. i'd love to see them in the playoffs. >> mike trout is on track to be

one of the ten best players ever he's only been to the playoffs once he's played a total of three post-season games his entire career and shohei ohtani has homered in his last 9 of 12 games he's well on his way to winning another mvp. he does everything better than everything else in both hitting and pitching i'm with you if the season ended today, they'd be in the playoffs. that would be a treat for baseball fans. >> i never understand the dodgers' struggle through the years. they're in third place right now. we'll see what happens. >> okay. so we'll add onto this red sox sweep. the weekend saw a number of developments in the 2024 presidential race. >> the u.s. open is also on the west coast. >> president biden held a series of events as his reelection

campaign begins to take shape, while a number of former allies of republican frontrunner donald trump are growing more emboldened to speak out against the former president following his indictment for refusing to return classified documents. >> when you say classified documents, we're talking about nuclear secrets, we're talking about a secret war plan against iran and also some of america's weaknesses as the secretary of defense said, trump's secretary of defense said this guy can't be trusted with america's secrets, because he could put the lives of u.s. servicemen and women in jeopardy. >> they're done being silent or covering for him. >> seem to be. >> garrett haake has more. >> reporter: president biden kicking off his reelection campaign in philadelphia. >> hello, organized labor! rallying union workers, the

president pointing to progress on the economy. >> we created 13 million new jobs since i became president. >> reporter: still, a recent poll showing mr. biden with a narrow four-point lead over former president trump in a possible 2020 rematch. mr. trump remains the overwhelming republican frontrunner nearly a week after pleading not guilty to 37 criminal charges tied to his handling of classified material at mar-a-lago. some of his gop rivals have suggested they would pardon the former president if he is convicted. mike pence telling chuck todd such discussions are premature. >> i don't know why some of my competitors presume the president will be found guilty all we know is what the president has been accused of.

>> reporter: over republican candidates are sharpening their attacks on mr. trump, especially chris christie, arguing republicans will go down to defeat if the former president is the 2024 nominee. >> i will do what i need to do to save my party and my country of going down the road of three-time loser donald trump. >> reporter: echoed by ron desantis. >> we've developed a culture of losing in this party where we've had three successive elections with sub standard results. >> this is a guy who's caused one loss after another people say, listen, i can't

stand trump, but i'm not going to vote for joe biden. but now it's the difference between donald trump or ron desantis or donald trump or mecm mecm nikki haley. >> a new piece in the "washington post" entitled "biden has running room this su summer." the nation is about to witness a bold experiment. it's a test of whether normal governing, building stuff, spurring economic development and job creation, trying to anticipate future challenges still plays a significant role

in american politics president biden's administration is placing a large bet on the idea that voters still care about whether government is succeeding at the basics, cri constructing roads and bridges, creating jobs and managing the federal apparatus without excessive drama. to highlight the calmer side of governing seems out of sync with news cycles overwhelmed by donald trump's indictment and wild attacks on the justice department but that is part of the point. since biden's case is both about substance and style. whether you like him or not, joe biden has a lot to brag about. what's happening on the republican side, especially among trump supporters, those in leadership and in the media, they are making up conspiracy theories about biden because they can't deal with the truth

the truth about biden's presidency, like him or not, is that he has made historic gains on the world stage and domestically. >> he's been successful. rev, it reminds me of when bill clinton was president of the united states. you had jerry falwell going around saying clinton was a mur murderer you would have chairman of republican committees doing experiments in their basement suggesting that bill clinton had killed a member of his own white house staff who tragically committed suicide. there was just craziness out there and it continued and then bill clinton got reelected we're kind of seeing that with

joe biden where a lot of crazy conspiracy theories just aren't catching hold with a lot of the american people. >> well, because these theories are so out there that it doesn't make sense to anyone but those that are predisposed to believe it before they even hear what the theory is. you have former vice president pence saying we don't know what trump's defense is we heard the tapes of trump talking about i didn't classify these documents when i was president. i mean, he's already said enough that needs to be said for us to understand he knew what he was doing. i think that all of these kind of making excuses for him, the conspiracy theories compared with some concrete things that the biden administration can show is not going to wash if the

biden/harris administration learns and practices the way to messenger it you cannot achieve all these things and get lost in the fact that no one understands this is happening because you did it >> that's right. former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade is debunking two claims by u.s. senators who are still defending donald trump in the classified documents case. on twitter, she points out that senator lindsey graham is claiming trump is overcharged under the espionage act because he wasn't, quote, spying she writes, surely a long time senator knows this statute criminalizes willful retention of national defense information and is routinely used in such cases. then there is senator ted cruz, who claims a double standard is being applied to trump and biden, because biden stored docs in an unlocked garage.

trump is not being charged for accidentally storing documents, but for willfully retaining them that means after he was asked to give them back, he didn't, even defying a subpoena. >> worse than that, worse than willfully retaining them, he lied to the fbi and the doj and he lied to his own lawyers about this you have mike pence and joe biden saying, hey, we found documents in these places, come pick them up they came, they searched at pence's place and biden's place and got the documents, they left nothing to it. you want to talk about a double standard this is the crazy thing. there is such a massive double standard of the doj bending over

backwards for donald trump if they had the information that anybody else in the america but donald trump had stolen all of these documents, my god, it would have been ugly talk to anybody in congress. they'll tell you if any of them had done it, they'd be in jail right now. ted cruz knows that and lindsey graham knows that. the double standard is that donald trump is getting f preferential treatment. >> the department of justice has said they wouldn't bring any sort of charges against mike pence. they gave trump chance after chance after chance to hand them over they didn't want to go down this path they didn't want to bring criminal charges against a former president of the united states they know what a precedent that

is but yet trump gave them no choice he lied to them, to investigates, to the national archives, to his own staff as the indictment shows, he actively tried to conceal what was in those boxes, eachven teln his own staff don't go through them he suggested hiding them he even suggested wouldn't it be better if we simply said we don't have any documents. they were stored in bathrooms and ballrooms there at mar-a-lago, which gave the department of justice, in their estimation, no choice but to take these steps that's why trump faces these charges despite all the things he could have done to avoid it. >> we spend time talking to trump supporters trying to understand where they are with this they would say, well, the

government is also lying about biden, he hid them too the response is, okay, fine, don't listen to journalists, don't listen to followers of this story as we report it to you, don't listen to the white house, don't listen to the doj listen to donald trump, because even now he's saying the boxes are mine and i declassified them don't listen to us listen to him and tell me that's still okay nuclear secrets hiding in mar-a-lago in boxes strewn on the floor by the toilet where people come in and out, where quite frankly your man donald trump has a relationship with putin and other fascists and people who perhaps don't adhere to democratic values he has these relationships and he has these documents are you not worried?

>> the thing is, if you don't want to listen to the media, if you want to listen to rupert murdoch's media, the "wall street journal," listen to donald trump, who has admitted it and also listen to people he said were the best and the brightest and worked for him here's really some of what donald trump's former secretary of defense, former national security advisor had to say. he's the one that hired them and said he only hires the best people this is what they have to say about donald trump's behavior being so dangerous for america's national security. >> based on your experiences working with trump, do you think trump can be trusted with the nation's secrets ever again? >> well, based on his actions,

again if proven true under the indictment by the special counsel, no. i mean it's just irresponsible action that places our service members at risk, places our nation's security at risk. >> you understand the seriousness of this better than i do why is it a risk to the nation's security to have these documents lying around mar-a-lago? >> well, imagine if a foreign agent of another country were to discover documents that outlined america's vulnerabilities or the weaknesses of the united states military think about how that could be exploited, used against us in a conflict, how an enemy could develop counter measures or the case in the piece raised about the allegations of u.s. plans to attack iran, think about how that affects our readiness to attack if we know iran eventually develops a nuclear weapon and we need to act on it. those things affect our ability

to effectively execute policy and could also affect, again, the lives of our military members who are sent forward to do such type of operations i'm quite concerned about this these are very serious allegations that need to be taken seriously by everybody involved. >> i think he was kind of a collector of things that he thought were of interest to him for one reason or another, clippings, momentos, classified documents. it was very disturbing we could see in the course of meetings and intelligence briefings that sometimes he liked to retain things it became a practice just to make sure we got them back in as many cases as we could obviously we failed in many cases, but it was a pattern that was evident to me from my earliest days. >> did he ever ask you to hold onto a document that concerned you? >> the most famous, to me, that

demonstrates why i don't need to read the indictment to believe its allegations are true, was the famous tweet that he did after getting an overhead picture of a failed iranian missile launch, which he was shown during an intelligence briefing, didn't give back and it was tweeted before the intelligence officials got back to their offices >> maybe our next guest can help us out with this is anyone wondering at this point what he's already done with some of these documents if he's tweeting out what he tweeted out during his presidency >> i guess we could hope for the best with donald trump, but why would you? >> joining us is glenn kirschner. give us a sense of where you think this is going. and what are your biggest concerns about the documents donald trump had in his possession for months and months

after his presidency ended >> my biggest concern is for our national security. men and women we have around the world who are both maybe overtly members of the u.s. military or of one of our agencies doing our work overseas, covertly doing work to protect our national interests and security who knows how donald trump has compromised and put at risk all of those people? i think that is the immediate and ongoing concern. unless and until the united states' government, the law enforcement authorities can be confident they have collected back everything that donald trump mishandled or shared with others, how in the world can we protect our assets overseas? that's the immediate concern the long-term concern with respect to the trial is, i think the one wildcard now is judge

aileen cannon. when you play clips of the barrs and the boltons and the espers saying deeply, sharply incriminating things about the president they served. these are donald trump's own cabinet members and executive branch officials these people are not only good guests on the sunday morning shows, they are very likely going to be trial witnesses against donald trump in both the documents case and in the event jackson smith brings charges for january 6th in the insurrection case as well. >> can you imagine what they might have to share in court if this is what they're saying on televise air waves you say jack smith is just getting warmed up. explain. >> what we saw in that federal indictment in florida, we saw a really compelling recitation of

some of the crimes jack smith believes he can prove against donald trump some of those crimes are not yet charged. it is pretty consequential that jack smith told us all that donald trump mishandled what looks to be national defense information in new jersey, at his golf club in bedminster. he's showing military maps to members of his pac he's showing potential battle plans by which the united states might strike foreign countries, to authors and aides, people with no security clearance, people with no right to know even one word of what's in that classified information so what has jack smith told us he's told us that donald trump committed crimes, including crimes in violation of our nation's espionage laws in new jersey, but he hasn't yet been charged with those crimes.

mika, i don't believe for a minute special counsel jack smith, as thorough and as aggressive as he has been, is going to tell us about those crimes and then just let them go that's why i would expect to see in fairly short order an indictment handed down in new jersey federal district court in new jersey charging the crimes he's already told us about. >> we've talked about january 6th, the classified documents, there's florida, there's washington, there's new jersey let's talk briefly about georgia, which is still out there, a state prosecution in the trump fantasy that we wins, that doesn't apply here to this state crime it's election interference we've been led to believe that would happen later this summer what specifically charges would the d.a. hand down for this particular matter, which we've

never seen before, a former president potentially being charged for election interference >> the easiest one to prove is soliciting election fraud in violation of georgia state law we've all heard the audio recording, just find me 11,780 votes and declare me the winner already. that's a pretty strong charge. we have heard so much about how broad fani willis, district attorney in fulton county, has been investigating these cases we know she is well versed in bringing rico charges. it could be that she brings one overarching rico case against trump and everyone that was a coconspirator. every single indicator is there will be massive indictments handed down in august. rarely have i seen a district attorney ask a judge will you please clear your dockets, hold

no trials and no in-person proceedings for two weeks in august what is the message being sent we're going to occupy you all full-time running defendants through your courts in their various arraignment hearings it sure feels like that is darn near set in stone that we're going to see indictments coming out of georgia in august. >> glenn kirschner, thank you very much for your insight this morning. let's bring in now white house correspondent for politico and coauthor of the playbook eugene daniels. how has the biden campaign being handling all of this >> reporter: they've been ignoring it. they are, working very hard to ignore it publicly they are obviously watching, but they're doing everything they possibly can to stay out of this as long as they possibly can any official that you talk to in

the white house or in biden world will say you're not going to see joe biden talk about this, you're not going to see kamala harris talk about this on the campaign trail, because you've already hearing from republicans that the main argument is joe biden went and told jack smith and the attorney general merrick garland to do this that is not what they want out there. it gets frustrating because anything that smells like it's connected to this case or underlying issues in this case, they stay very far away, and that's not going to change. >> is it a strategy by avoiding it, not giving it oxygen, but wouldn't it also be necessarily politically to get other surrogates that will take this on and knock some of this stuff down because without any response in the vacuum, the only thing a lot of the public is hearing is

coming from trump and the right-wing side. is there a strategy, to your knowledge, of having sur good faith -- surrogates that are maybe a step or two from the white house knocking this down >> reporter: channelling some of the frustrations we hear from democrats all the time on the hill when it comes to the biden administration and the campaign is that they don't always feel like they're on the offense enough, that they're constantly on the defensive and they don't always want to speak up on things that could be politically beneficial because they're trying to be extremely careful you are going to see a lot of democrats on the hill, kind of the folks we see on this network and others already, talk about this, the plasketts, those kind of folks who were involved in maybe the january 6th committee, the folks who have investigated donald trump during his impeachments, who know how he

operates they want to make sure these people say degrees away and aren't getting their cues from this this administration. they want these people to stay completely independent of the conversation at the white house. >> while the president is not talking about the legal charges involving donald trump, he kind of quietly launched his reelection campaign last week. this past week we had a series of official convevents that highlighted democratic priorities like guns and also junk fees. starting today, he is heading out to california on a fund-raising blitz they've got start raising money here he was in philadelphia, the biggest battleground state on the map talking to union

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the holiday weekend was marred by several shootings across the country in idaho, four people were fatally shot, while in chicago

at least 55 people were shot, including nine people who died in san francisco, six people were injured near fisherman's wharf. the violence followed mass shootings on saturday where at least four people were killed and more than two dozen injured in illinois, missouri and washington state >> reverend al, the shootings just continue unabated we stop and we focus on the terrible tragedies when they're mass shootings at schools, mass shootings at country music, churches and we should stop and focus on that but you look at the shootings and the murders every weekend in large cities across america. as eric adams has said, it's not so much the case now as it was a couple of years ago when he said

it he said, mass shootings for the most part are suburban problems, but we deal with shootings every day in cities. you look at chicago and i just wonder one administration after another administration after another administration come in and out and seem helpless to do anything about the spiraling gun violence. >> not only do they seem helpless, many of them seem clueless i think that really when you look at that in the context of we can't even get a background check passed through the senate and the congress, we certainly need to be dealing with the fact that we have more guns in the country than we have people. we've normalized this where every weekend is almost like the weekend weather was this and the weekend shooting list was this this cannot be sustained in this

country. we have to stop and deal with the issues of guns and who has the guns we've got to take on the nra this ought to be a central issue in the 2024 campaign, but i think many politicians are afraid to do it because they are afraid of the nra. we can't continue to go through weekends like this. >> meanwhile, serbia is taking swift action on gun violence. >> not a progressive country, by the way. >> and just two mass shootings in may that left seven dead and 21 injured, serbia took action it has the third largest rate of gun ownership in the world it pushed through new laws with near unanimous support despite deep political divides joining us is richard engel. how were they able to get this

done >> the secret is it wasn't even that difficult there were these two mass shootings last month they were extremely rare people were outraged they took to the streets they weren't just dismissed as tragedies, dismissed as part aftof a problem that is too difficult to confront. people got together, put their differences aside and radically changed the entire country's relationship with guns serbians didn't see it coming. yes, they have a lot of guns in this country, the third most per capita after the united states and yemen. but they've never been used like this before. on may 3rd, a 13-year-old boy, for reasons still unclear, stormed into a school with two of his father's guns and killed eight classmates

the next day a man in his 20s with a history of violence opened fire in a village, killing eight more but then came more than thoughts and prayers. outrage became action. tens of thousands demanded not just tighter gun control but a reorientation of society away from violence, a reaction against armed rage >> a lot of us have just had enough now it's a make or break moment. >> his 9-year-old daughter was in the school when the 13-year-old boy went on a killing spree. what would you say to americans who've been through this and see no change? >> i would say to them safeguard your democracy if you still have it and mobilize and act. >> reporter: within weeks of the shootings here, new laws were introduced and old ones enforced now, all existing gun permits

are under review all sales of new guns of any type are banned for two years. gun owners must submit to in-person psychological and background checks, and owning an illegal gun is punishable by up to 15 years in prison. many serbians are deciding being armed isn't worth the risk or hassle and are turning in their guns voluntarily there are 70,000 guns in this police warehouse, surrendered under a no-questions-asked amnesty. the deputy interior minister says this is only the start. he wants to take 90% of guns ofof the streets soon what do you think when you see all of this? >> i see lives saved i see children's lives saved >> reporter: serbia is deeply divided politically over populism, abortion and gender

identity but overhauling gun laws was universally popular. there's outrage every time there is one of these mass shootings in the united states, every time, but very little is done about it why do you think you were able to cross political divides >> i would say the precondition for that is not having these big gun lobbies and the big industry which is behind it. >> reporter: there have been more than 300 mass shootings in the united states this year so far. just two in serbia were more than enough to convince people to change course. >> wow that's incredible. richard engel, thank you so much >> it's such an important report from richard it's a good question we need to ask ourselves. other countries do respond it's not just serbia you look at what happened in australia in 1996, a mass

shooting that killed over 30 they changed gun laws. gun violence drops precipitously after that great britain, 1996, a mass shooting they changed their gun laws. there's been one mass shooting since 1996 that was in 2010 a big change there you go to other countries and you look at what happened in new zealand after the mass shooting at christchurch. the same thing happened there. yet, we have one mass shooting after another mass shooting. the gun violence is incredible just to go back to this, imagine if half the people who were killed this weekend by guns, by americans, just imagine if an islamic terrorist attack killed

a third of those people. we would be covering it wall to wall congress, republicans would especially be screaming at the top of their lungs talking about how this scourge has to be stopped. and yet, the number of gun deaths in america, again, we'll get the numbers tomorrow, but i would guess it probably quadrupled the number of americans that were killed over 20 years in iraq and afghanistan combined we have so many mass shootings already this year than americans who died over 20 years in foreign wars in iraq and afghanistan. and yet, we still do nothing despite the fact that 90% of

americans want universal background checks, 80% want red flag laws passed, the majority of americans want military-style weapons more tightly regulated they want gun safety in their homes. they want gun safety in their schools, in their churches and synagogues and republicans in congress and in state legislatures across america, for the most part, won't do that. >> it's a daily occurrence, these mass shootings it's such a sad calculation. if the body count is high enough, we all learn about them. other times they add up and change someone's life forever, devastating a family we're numb to just the sheer volume it is extraordinarily depressing how the national will has failed us all on this richard's report at the end with that serbian official who spoke about what's the difference between your country and the

united states? he put his finger on it. it's the gun lobby the nra created this culture around guns. the nra is somewhat of a diminished organization now, but it has become part of the dna of so many republicans and so many on the right they feel like it is their interpretation of the second amendment, which we know is incorrect, gives them the ability to have any weapon they want, including an ar-15, a weapon of war. that is why we haven't changed over the years >> their interpretation of the second amendment is not only incorrect, but doesn't match up with what the united states supreme court says the second amendment means. that's who defines what the second amendment means it is scalia and themajority o the rest of the court who don't

view the second amendment any more unlimited as they view the first amendment. there are always limitations for all rights and also responsibilities go along with those rights that the united states supreme court recognizes and that americans recognize, but the gun lobby and their most strict adherents do not and americans are dying every day because we can't pass sensible gun laws that 90% of americans support. earlier today in china, secretary of state antony blinken met with chinese president xi jinping following a series of high-profile talks between blinken and beijing's top-ranking diplomat, which both sides described as constructive. china and the u.s. are looking to tamp down tensions on a series of issues, including, trade, taiwan and china's aggressive military maneuvers in the skies and seas

after meeting with president xi this morning, secretary blinken spoke about their discussion and about his time in china as a whole. >> here in beijing, i had an important conversation with president xi jinping and i had candid, substantive and constructive discussions with my counterparts i appreciate the hospitality extended by our hosts. in every meeting, i stressed that direct engagement and sustained communication at senior levels is the best way to responsibly manage our differences and ensure that competition does not veer into conflict i heard the same from my chinese counterparts we both agree on the need to stabilize our relationship. >> we'll follow the remainder oh of the secretary's trip. so the special olympics world games are now under way in berlin, germany.

the opening ceremony was held saturday in the same stadium that was built by the nazis and used in 1936 this weekend about 7,000 completes with intellectual disabilities from nearly 200 countries walked across that same platform, overcoming hate and promoting inclusion. this year's games also coincide for the 60th anniversary of president kennedy's famous speech delivered at the height of the cold war. joining us now live, timothy shriver. good to see you and have you back on the show tell us what we can expect from these world games and more about the message of this momentous location. >> already we're having the time of our lives i can almost say without question that berlin right now

is the most welcoming place on earth. people who know history would be shocked to think that could have happened as you pointed out, in 1936 hitler presided over a government that was the most violent and hate-filled in modern history jessie owens stood bravely in its face and won the gold medal. there hasn't been an olympic torch in this city since 1936 until now. that same stadium, the torch was lit by the athletes of the special olympics their message was about dignity for everyone, inclusion for everyone and a peace in a time of still divisive and often violent energy in the world. here we had 7,000 people all they want the world to know is they have skill, bravery and courage and they want everyone treated with dignity it's been a real tonic for the soul to be here, honestly. there's so much bad news in the

world. here we've got champions of the people telling a different story. >> one thing i was kind of monitoring as the buildup to what you're doing there is that there's a resurgence of right-wing and hate groups that were talking a lot of the same ideology of the '30s and '40s of hitler, but i've seen no kind of showing by them to resist what you're doing have you found that by doing this and doing it in such a strong way, it's kind of silenced even some of those far-right hate forces in germany? >> yeah. reverend al, we haven't seen any of that, honestly. of that. i know it exists it exists in our country, here, everywhere in the world. deeply hateful groups are still out there. the message of our athlete community is somehow this sense of being open and treating people with dignity somehow is

their change strategy. it seems to neutralize people. it seems to bring out the best in people, even those that may feel themselves on the other side of a political or ideological divide you know this as well as anybody. some people say the world can't change some people say the world hasn't changed. you come to berlin right now, and i'll tell you now the world has changed and the world can change but the strategy for change here is not attacking the other side. it's opening your arms and saying, look, come over here and treat everybody with dignity let's see how that works hating on people doesn't seem to work that well when it comes to solving our problems president kennedy was here almost 60 years ago. people all around the world remember his speech. they don't know my mom was here with him, eunice kennedy shriver. he didn't get to see the wall come down. he didn't live to see that historic moment, but she got to live to see the wall come down she also -- this is her

movement she, one woman, got to live to see rise up in 130 countries around the world, an entire movement dedicated to tearing down walls they were here together in 1963. a lot of people thought it could never happen, but, you know, peace and the desire for human connection tore down that wall it's tearing down walls as we said, preparing to watch athletes compete in all these sports and just blow the world's mind with the giftedness of the human family. >> special olympics chairman timothy shriver, thank you very much >> fantastic. >> we really appreciate your coming on this morning coming up, what do the u.s. economy, baby boomers on social media and the ups trucks all have in common they're all part of the latest installment of "brand up brand down" with deutsche. he joins to explain next on

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there's so much talk about trump and the indictments, we're losing sight that elections are won on the economy a lot of positive things for the economy. university of michigan did a survey, an 8% jump in june based on the inflation cooling, the debt crisis being averted, manufacturing jobs up. >> done any, what's that number up to? >> i'm not quite sure. i know it was an 8% jump this was a very significant survey by the university of michigan i don't know the exact number.

>> they always cite the economy. usually when there's strange disconnects, eventually there will be a correction consumer confidence has been down rattner is on last week with his charts and we talked about a pew poll where they asked americans how are you doing economically 75%, 75% said good or very good. i was waiting for this to happen so i'm so glad you brought this news up. that disconnect has to resolve itself soon. >> every metric is positive. i think that's as we get closer to election, you'll start to see a lot more discussion about that. >> inflation, people are not used to inflation right now for good reason. we haven't had it for 30 years, but it is cooling. what about remote worker productivity >> this is one of our favorite

topics joe, i'd say one out of three times i come up with some remote worker brand down. a survey of 1,000 remote workers. during work hours people working at home, 12% said they drink during the day, 10% saidthey'v had sex, 72% household chore, 33% running errands, 53% are watching a movie just 1 in 7 workers are working three to four hours in an entire day, 1 in 7. this is going to hurt us so much, these workers at home. people have got to get back to work you can't have people in their underwear all day long. >> let's leave that out of it. rev and i are full little clothed today. liquor, where is that, brand up or brand down? >> huge up lick kwer spirits is 42%, only 41% is beer. for the first time more mixed drinks and regular alcohol than beer other little fun fact. you know the number one selling

beer in this country riept now mo modelo incredible just passed butt light obviously bud light has had its problems >> baby boomer social media stars. >> since 2014 the amount of people 65 plus, includes me, baby boomer, are now 45% are on social media you've got all these groups, people with five and ten million followers. you've got the four gay guys from palm beach, 6 million followers. they do all kind of fun things baby boomers on social media, yay. >> done any, harry and meghan? brand down >> basically their podcast is not on fire. it's not coming back for a second year. they were paid $20 million they're not going to get all that money they're not producing content. i've got to tell you, their brand is tarnished forever they came out exploitive of the

royal family with no other reason than self-gain. you'll continue to see their brand continue to be a huge brand down >> it really is amazing, isn't it, jonathan lemire, bill simmons in charge of spotify called them grifters. >> he's a huge podcast, one of the biggest stars. he spared no criticism of them in recent days. >> spotify is not going to be paying there. >> certainly n influenced voice in that world. >> donny, the last one, finally air conditioning in the trucks 93,000 ups trucks are going to be air conditioned this is 2023 what's going on? this will affect 340,000 workers. a huge brand up to ups fin finally, finally putting air conditioning in their trucks >> it seems a little late. donny, thank you very much that does it -- >> can you imagine that,

especially in florida? going around in florida without air conditioning >> you can't have it that does it for us this morning. ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now ♪ ♪ hello and thank you so much for joining us i hope you had a wonderful weekend. it's 10:00 eastern i'm anna cabrera reporting from new york there's a lot happening right now. we're learning new details about secretary of state antony bli blinken's high-stakes meeting with chinese leader xi jinping, pressing pause on the tension between the two global souper powers, at least for now. president biden formally returning to the campaign trail as donald trump's legal troubles embroil his bid. also ahead, 12 million people in the south at risk of more extreme weather this morning