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hello, everyone. good to be with you, i'm chris jansing, the death toll from this weekend's extreme weather across the south has risen to six. half a million people remain without power across multiple states after a series of vicious storms and tornadoes and the extreme heat isn't letting up either we're on the ground in texas where temperatures have soared above 120 degrees in some spots. how residents are coping. and secretary of state antony blinken wrapping up his two-day visit to china, but how much progress was actually made

in his high stakes meeting with president xi jinping meanwhile in florida, we have movement in the classified documents case what a magistrate judge just blocked donald trump from doing, and what options his legal team could be weighing to put the trial off for as long as possible and juneteenth celebrations underway across the country. how states are marking this federal holiday. but we begin with the dangerous storms in the south thatch left six people dead, more than 400,000 at this hour without power. in the small town of lewin, mississippi, a suspected tornado killed one person and injured 20 perryton, texas, grappling with the loss of three residents, including an 11-year-old, as residents there try to recover from the horrific damage from the recent tornado as well as make decisions for their future. >> i'm probably not going to rebuild and start up again i don't know, i really don't know. >> and the national weather service is issuing an excessive

heat warning for north texas today and tomorrow temperatures expected as high as you can see on this map, 109, 110 degrees. let's bring in nbc's jay gray who is live in perryton, texas, what are you seeing and hearing there, jay >> reporter: as you talk about, the clean up going ahead here, going according to schedule. they're going to need help it has devastated this town of about 82,000 200 homes described. we're inside a worship center, take a look, they have a little bit of everything. the donations have been pouring in this is a place of constant motion over the counter drugs there, toiletries here, that people desperately need just the essentials to get on with daily life, and then clothes. they have clothes that have continued to come in to help those that have lost most everything some of the homes in the strike zone here completely gone, and

so they'll need all of this to continue to move forward, and again, it is in room after room inside the community worship center here. they also got some diapers, obviously that's a big need for those with small children. you've got some food for the smaller children here as well, and as we make our way into what usually is a gymna naz -- gymnasium, there is an area for food and water you have food that people can take home and keep the things they can keep and move with. and then they've got hot meals they're cooking 2,000 hot meals a day for those who are survivors here as well as those who come in to help clean up it's a big effort, and one that's going to continue for a long time. they're going to need help moving forward. >> so great the people who are able to organize that so quickly. jay gray in perryton for us, thank you so much. today, a lot of pressure

packed into just 35 minutes as secretary of state antony blinken met with chinese president xi jinping during the high stakes meeting in beijing a significant breakthrough wasn't made, blinken told reporters later that both agreed on the need to stabilize the relationship >> in every meeting, i stress that direct engagement and sustained communication at senior levels is the best way to responsibly manage our differences and ensure that competition does not veer into conflict and i heard the same from my chinese counter parts. we both agree on the need to stabilize our relationship >> nbc's matt bradley has been following this all from london what were the other big takeaways, matt? >> yeah, i mean, chris there wasn't really a big take away from this meeting. this is kind of consistent with what the state department had been projecting before this meeting. this was only announced 45 minutes before the two leaders actually shook hands, so, again, there was a lot of skepticism that anything would come out of it the main thing that blinken

wanted he wanted he didn't get that was direct military-to-military communications between washington and beijing this is the kind of thing you saw between washington and moscow during the cold war that averted military hostilities between the soviet union and the u.s. when there was so much going on that kind of direct communication, that direct line hasn't existed or operated between the u.s. or china for about two years. in that time, there's been a lot of provocations, and really problematic flyovers by the chinese military near places like taiwan, the south china sea, the kinds of things that can really bring both powerful nations to the brink of war. my colleague, janis mackey frayer was in beijing. she actually spoke with secretary blinken. >> how dangerous is it that you're leaving beijing without direct assurances that these lines of communication will open

when the tactics appear to be growing bolder >> it's imperative for us and really should be for them to restore these military-to-military line of communication, for the reasons you stated we have seen dangerous incidents with their ships driving much too close to ours, their planes doing the same thing that's the quickest path to an inadvertent conflict i don't have progress to report on establishing the military-to-military channels. i can say that they understand very clearly the importance we attach to this. >> reporter: and, chris, you know, the fact is even if secretary of state blinken did walk away from breijing, if he did walk away empty handed, there were tangible benefits, the fact that there was a meeting at all, that's remarkable, considering the fact that the relationship between beijing and washington has been in a state of free fall for the past several months. it looks like both sides came

together and wanted things to not get any worse, at least, and that is in itself a pretty significant diplomatic step. chris. >> as most diplomats have told me often, it's almost always better to talk than not. at least they got that matt bradley, always good to see you, thank you. as ukraine makes gains on the counter offensive against russia, new evidence suggest thg month's destruction of a major dam in russian territory was caused by russia they of course previously blamed ukraine. an investigation by "the new york times" found evidence suggesting the dam was crippled by explosion set off on the russian-controlled side, and the associated press also reporting that russia had the means, motive, and opportunity to destroy the dam. nbc's raf sanchez joins me live from kharkiv, ukraine. what more do we know about the investigations into who destroyed this dam >> reporter: yeah, chris, the question of who's responsible for blowing up the dam has hung

over this country ever since it exploded back on june 6th, sending enormous amounts of water flooding into southern ukraine, and both ukrainian controlled territory and the russian-occupied side. now, the ukrainians have been adamant since day one that the russians were responsible and they say the russian military blew up the dam to disrupt ukraine's counter offensive, the russians of course blaming the ukrainians vladimir putin possibly not being able to help himself did mention to russian state media, it was fortunate for russia that the dam exploded when he did, because it did disrupt ukraine's counter offensive. as you said, the associated press, "the new york times" have both taken a look at this. the ap is saying it has evidence of what appears to be a car laden with explosives on top of the dam shortly before it exploded now, this is not something that nbc news has been able to independently verify "the new york times" is also pointing out that the dam under

russian control at the time that it exploded. this is a soviet era dam, so the blueprints for it will be in the basement buildings in moscow somewhere, so russia, as the ap put it had the means, the motive and the opportunity to destroy this dam the u.s. has not weighed in definitively one way or the other, but u.s. officials have said that the intelligence appears to lean towards russian responsibility >> raf sanchez in kharkiv, jhjh ukraine, thank you. navalny back in court for the start of a new trial vladimir putin's most famous jailed critic is facing new charges that could include inciting and financing extremist activity and creating an extremist organization as expected, no media allowed in t the trial will take place behind

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earlier this month, special counsel jack smith promised a speedy trial for donald trump in miami, but there's already widespread expectation that the former president will default to his usual strategy of delay, delay, delay a new reporting from the "washington post" suggests he does have options. how the government's own rules for handling classified papers could give the defense team a tactical timing advantage. and that comes as a judge ruled

today that trump's access to classified evidence will be limitedand so will his ability to share any of it joining me now, former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance and national reporter for the "new york times," and nbc news contributor, katie benner. good to have both of you here. tell us more about judge reinhart's decision today and what exactly it means? >> so this is a fairly standard protective order in a case where you're dealing with classified materials. there are clear limitations as there are in virtually every case on exposing any of the information the defendant obtains in discovery to the press or to the public, but it's particularly poignant in the case of donald trump, where he has a history of witness intimidation or efforts of putting information out in the public this one will be, i think, watched pretty strictly by the

courts in the days and weeks ahead. >> you have reported extensively on the government's 20 month fight, trying to get ahold of the classified information they said he was holding in mar-a-lago we know he's notorious for stalling, right, nobody who has gone up against him in court would say that he was looking for a speedy resolution. will this trial praerhaps be th exception? is there any chance this gets speedy as jack smith says he's ready for? >> i think a lot of this is going to depend on the court's own clock, how quickly the judge can decide on them i think it's to everyone's point that donald trump wants to delay this he wants to push it out as far as he can. keep in mind, we do not know how this will impact his ability to run for president. the presumption is this will only help him because he will be campaigning as he's on the witness stand. he also has a history of saying things he shouldn't, revealing

information online that he shouldn't. if the court needs to spot him down or prevent him from sharing information or take punitive action because of what's he's saying on the campaign trail or online, that could actually impact his campaign in ways that we can't predict now, but they are not necessarily good. >> even though it's standard, the judge essentially saying, joyce, to the president, you can't just, you know, talk about this stuff you can't just, like, you know, put this stuff out there john bolton dave our jen psaki into donald trump's handling of some highly classified documents. take a listen. >> did he ever ask you to hold on to a document that concerned you? >> there were some that we did get back others, the most famous that to me demonstrates why i don't need to read the indictment or believe its allegations are true, although i'm pretty confident they are was the famous tweet that after getting an overhead picture of a failed iranian missile launch, which he

was shown during an intelligence briefing, didn't give back, and it was tweeted before the intelligence officials got back to their offices >> so we're a long way away potentially from knowing exactly what the judge is going to say about these classified documents, but the ability for it to delay the trial, talk a little bit more about that, and how closely the judge will watch exactly what is said and done regarding any of these documents. >> so there's a framework for evaluating the credibility of classified evidence, particularly the 21 documents charged here in advance of the trial, so the government notice before it heads into trial what the cost of national security might be typically government lawyers will try to substitute unclassified atmossummaries of documents for the documents themselves, and courts will permit that up to a certain

extent the defendant still has to be in the same position that he would be in to put on a defense if he were able to use the classified documents. so you get the tension here. it's between the defendant's rights, the defendant's due process and the government's need to protect its secrets, and this of course, chris, is the delay issue that you're asking about because this all gets decides up front, trump could abuse this process to generate delay, and that's when i think we'll get a good sense of what katie has called the court's clock, and whether the judge will continue to push in matter expeditiously. >> you have what's happening inside the courtroom but also what's happening outside the courtroom, katie, which we follow closely these are veterans of his administration who all have been railing against his actions as laid out in the indictment does anyone you were talking to, anyone who knows him, anyone who dealt with him in the lead up to the indictment during the whole mar-a-lago saga indicate they

think he's going to change >> i think that's what's clear from our reporting, he's probably not going to change his mind he went to extreme lengths to keep boxes of documents even when he was given advice it was not a good idea, and trying to hide things, a shell game after he received a subpoena asking for the documents. there's no reason to think donald trump would change his mind now especially because i don't think he wants to play guilty what's so interesting, though, about republicans like bill barr, john bolton and others coming out and saying what donald trumps is wrong is going to be a real test of whether or not the republican party decides they want to continue to have donald trump be the standard bearer, former officials, once extremely venerated, less so because of their service in the trump administration, basically trying to convince their own party members that something must be done so this man does not become the nominee it will be interesting to see

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we are following that breaking news, the u.s. coast guard searching for a missing canadian submarine off the coast of newfoundland, the vessel launched with five crew members on board sunday morning. the boat that launched the submarine lost contact with the crew one hour and 45 minutes into the vessel's dive the private company that operates the missing vessel, oceangate says in a statement that their focus is on the crew members and that multiple government agencies as well as other companies are helping to

reestablish contact. oceangate offers tours of the titanic wreckage more than 12,000 feet below the ocean's surface. joining me now retired u.s. navy captain, david markay, who is a former submarine commander thank you so much for talking to us first of all, what would cause a vessel to lose contact like this >> there's a number of things that could go wrong. the submarine's could have a mechanical problem it could be communications, in the best case issues maybe they have a cable that goes up and down, the cable broke or the batteries died or something simple like that but often it's a more significant problem indicating a problem that the crew is incapable of communicating. >> best case scenario it's just a communications problem, but if it were operating as normal, they would be able to resurface, correct? >> i would think so, yeah. these kind of submersibles don't have big propellers where they

can dive out to sea and back, but they have small propellers, they can drive up and down, they should be able to go back to the surface. it's troubling that they haven't reappeared at the surface. >> they have gone 12,000 feet below. maybe people have gone on these tourist, maybe 100 feet into water, very cool, but now down 12,000 feet. where could they be in an hour and 45 minutes >> they could be anywhere around the bottom, around the titanic >> so they could already be all the way down, and they could be. >> oh, yeah. >> on whatever mission that they were planning. so tell me about what a rescue might look like. we know that the coast guard is involved, but also that the company says multiple other government agencies. what can happen below the sea and above the sea to help find this missing vessel?

>> so i'd say there's basically three phases, number one, you have to find them, and not just generally, you have to pinpoint their location number two -- >> can i just stop you there, one, and ask you how complicated that is, and how they would do that >> you could do it using other research vessels which could go down, and they have sonar, so you're scanning the bottom and you're looking for a little blip, which looks like a rock, a big rock this thing is about as big as sort of a small school bus on the bottom that's going to be hard to find. you could use optics, if you got that particular kind of ship down there but you need to get that kind of ship there in order to do that >> but again, going to the best case scenario, if it was down, and it was around the titanic, they know where the titanic is, right? anybody who is searching would know where the titanic is and would be maybe start there >> yeah, for sure.

definitely but it's a thousand miles from the east coast you got to get out there >> yeah. >> and these ships aren't just sitting around, just waiting to be -- well, there's a few of them that are on call to respond to situations like this, but it does take time so this is a race against the clock. we got to find them, and then we got to get them. then the problem isn't over because how are you going to get those people they're under sea pressure, which is 300 times what it is here at the atmosphere, and we got to somehow get them out of there, so you need a claw that's going to go down 2 miles and pick them up or a ship that's designed to mate with that ship. and i don't know what kind of mating connections that ship has. >> if the problem is that they're not able to get up but if they're alive inside that vessel, how long could they continue to be down there? what's the window of opportunity

for them be found? >> we have a couple of days. we have a couple of days >> well, retired u.s. navy captain, david markay, obviously all of us thinking about those folks and, hoping for the best undersea exploration is so phenomenal and important, and we'll keep our fingers crossed for them we thank you, and just that fast getting up and taking the time to talk to us. thank you. and quote, identical to joe biden's, what mike pence is saying about former president trump's handling of our nation's debt you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc

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otherwise. from the same poll, 56% of registered voters say he should drop out of the 2024 race that was taken after the indictment joining me now, nbc capitol hill correspondent, ali vitali, republican strategist, susan del percio, and washington correspondent for the atl"atlana journal-constitution," tia mitchell the one thing you can say is that the electorate is consistent the republicans are sticking with trump the general electorate seemed like they'd had it, frankly. >> yeah, and consistent is a great word to use, chris i also think that it's a part of basically they're defending their position of once supporting trump, meaning they take it as an attack that they don't support the democratsment i think they want to stay in line with trump as a sense of i don't understand it, but as a sense of unity within the party and loyalty to donald trump, but

it's the second half of those numbers that you showed, which reflect independents in big numbers, saying to donald trump, get out. and that's the problem that donald trump is going to have to face as this campaign goes on is that his independent numbers are going down the toilet, and as a result, he is going to start seeing a bigger spread in that losing to joe biden. right now it's around averaging 4, which i find actually surprisingly close, but i think that gap is going to continue to increase and leading donald trump basically looking by december a loser to joe biden in a general election. >> ali, you're with another republican presidential hopeful, nikki haley, who spent a lot of their time answers questions about donald trump, but what is nikki haley saying about the former president, and more to the point, what are voters who you talked to saying >> yeah, chris, not much mention

of trump here, at least not in the sense of the indictments that he's currently facing there was one reference here to haley's time as his former u.n. ambassador really that was all. this is the point on the campaign trail where all of these candidates need to be establishing themselves as individuals. frankly as i have been on the campaign trail with haley, and in her home state of south carolina, most of the voters i spoke to said they were not just open to her, they were in some ways liking the fact that she could turn the page and be what she says is a new generation of leader what's important about susan's point, and it speaks to something that haley said on the trail, if these folks in south carolina and other early states don't get involved in the primary they cannot complain about the kind of candidate they get in the general it's clearly an unnamed swipe but the possibility of having the former president at the top of the republican ticket again, and as i was talking to voters

in the crowd , i spoke with one woman, just graduated from college, she wants to vote republican but if trump were the nominee, she would stay home, and wouldn't feel like she could vote for anyone. she wouldn't want to vote for joe biden, but certainly wouldn't want to vote for trump. even the voters open to haley or would still vote for trump, they were not automatically in his camp, and some were looking to say, hey, i want to see what happens with this indictment they don't think it's necessarily political out the gate they want to see the what jury actually hears and finds out. >> so t iria, i wonder if you hr in a little bit of an opening or still in very much, when you look at what nikki haley is saying, mike pence over the weekend, not exactly being heavily critical , are we still in the same place we were in 2016 or do you sense movement? >> well, right now if there's any movement, it's that donald

trump is starting to inch up in the polls with a greater percentage of support from republican voters. again, that's nationally and we still have a lot of time to go, but it seems like trump is starting to solidify kind of his hold on the republican electorate, and nikki haley, and all the rest of the candidates are all fighting over that remaining, you know, 45, 40% there hasn't been any shift from there. >> it was in a poll just last month, this stuck with me, shows the majority of republicans agree with him that 2020 was an illegitimate election, 53% believed trump is the true president, so what do you do if you're nikki haley or one of th other candidates and 53% of the republicans think this guy is president, not joe biden >> you have to do a couple of things one, is you really have to fight

hard to differentiate yourself from the former president, and so far, everyone is, yeah, nikki haley says she doesn't want to kick sideways. that's all she's doing to hit head trump on. more importantly, you need to change who's coming out to vote for you. donald trump did that successfully in 2016 he got people who hadn't voted in decades in many cases to show up to the polls. he got people to register to vote they have to be, because these candidates right now, all they can really do is raise money and get some press, but what their ground operation has to be is to get more potential voters to the polls to change the makeup, if you will, of the republican primary voter. that's where the only hope they have is. if they think for a moment donald trump is going to do what's good for the party or good for the country they haven't been paying attention. >> we are still waiting for

possible indictments out of fulton county, georgia, any updates on the time ing there a the anticipated impact that might have on trump's reelection efforts? >> the latest we have heard as far as timing is they are making preparations for some type of action or movement in late july, early august we don't know for sure if that will be indictments, but that is what the signs are starting to tell us, that they are making preparations they're telling nonessential workers to stay home they're getting law enforcement ready. they even went to florida to see how things went last week down there to prepare for how things could go in fulton county. that being said, right now, again, we aren't seeing movement that republican voters are turning away from donald trump because of any charges he has faced or might face. if anything, it's looking like this is starting to solidify his support and that could be more of the same, if he faces further indictment in fulton county. >> tia mitchell, ali vitali,

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this year to 315 while the u.s. is unable to agree on a solution to mass shootings, richard engel takes us to a country that reacting quickly and firmly to gun violence of its own. richard? >> reporter: last month, there were two extremely rare mass shootings in serbia, it inspired a moment of national reflection and quick action serbians didn't see it coming. yes, they have a lot of guns in this country, the third most per capita after the united states and yemen. but they'd never been used like this before. on may 3rd, a 13-year-old boy for reasons still unclear stormed into his school with two of his father's guns and a hit list, and killed eight classmates the next day, a man in his 20s with a history of violence opened fire in a village killing eight more but then came more than thoughts and prayers.

outrage became action. tens of thousands demanded not just tighter gun controls but a reorientation of society away from violence. a reaction against armed rage. >> i think a lot of us have just had enough and now it's a make or break moment >> reporter: zarcos's 9-year-old daughter zora was in the school when the 13-year-old boy went on a killing spree. >> what would you say to americans who have been through this and see no change >> i would say to them, you know, safeguard your democracy, if you still have it, and mobilize and act. >> reporter: within weeks of the shoo shootings here, new laws were introduced and old ones enforced now all existing gun permits are under review all sales of new guns of any type are banned for two years. gun owners must submit to in-person psychological and

background checks, and owning an illegal gun is punishable by 15 years in prison. many serbians are deciding being armed isn't worth the risk or hassle and are turning their guns in voluntarily. there are 70,000 guns in this police warehouse, surrendered under a no questions asked amnesty. the deputy interior minister says this is only the saturday he wants to take 90% of guns off the streets soon >> what do you think when you see all of this? >> translator: i see lives saved. i see children's lives saved i see better safety for society, he said. >> reporter: serbia is deeply divided politically over populism, abortion, and gender identity, but overhauling gun laws was universally popular an opposition politician there's outrage anytime there's one of these mass shootings in the united states, every time, but very little is done about

it why is it, do you think, you were able to cross political divides? >> i would say the precondition for that is that we are not having these big gun lobbies and the big industry which is behind it. >> reporter: there have been more than 300 mass shootings in the united states this year alone. in serbia, two were more than enough to bring change, and it wasn't even that hard. >> richard engel, thank you so much for that. and coming up, on this juneteenth, an important conversation on the impact poverty has onor mtality you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc

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for 157 years, americans across the country have celebrated juneteenth. also called emancipation day, black independence day or freedom day. while it is now a federal holiday, this year more states are joining in joining me now, antonia from

queens, new york it looks like you have a celebration behind you what's happening there >> reporter: hey, chris, well, here in queens this is a celebration all about black community. all about resilience some of the folks that i've talked to, they described how celebrating juneteenth is typical for them it is a holiday that really represents a tragedy, right? but for years, two and a half years after emancipation, there was a community of enslaved people in texas who did not know they were free now they are trying to host free events where kids and families can come they can do artwork. there are yoga classes happening. take a look at this. black girl magic that's what this day is about for so many kids and families. it is about acknowledging our history, where we've come from burks also celebrating that we're here we have community. particularly in this community in queens where there is still such a strong black community

despite the gentrification it has a specific value to people i've spoken to. take a looking at this one family here that is selling books and sharing learning materials with kids as part of the message for juneteenth what does juneteenth mean to your family? >> so juneteenth is empowering our community. making sure they get the information and it will take them to a whole other level. oftentimes when we don't get information, we're stuck we don't know what to do empowering strength, making changes. >> juneteenth means learning our history. why we were held back. and knowledge is power >> reporter: and chris, this is only the second year that this has been recognized as a federal paid holiday the reality is that actually, it isn't recognized fully across the country. there are still states where people are heading to work today. where it is observed but not a paid day

and so what i've talked to organizers here, they say there's work to be done. they still do not know what juneteenth is. they don't know much about the history of the united states there are free events like this that needs to happen in communities across the country to bring that kind of community elsewhere. >> we're glad even if it is selfish that you're working today and i hope you're having some fun as well it looks like there are some very cool people there thank you so much for that in his last sermon as pastor of his north carolina church, human rights activist pastor william j. barber asked his congregants to make this day one of inquiry and activism. right now and the poor i'm's campaign are in d.c. to ask the lawmakers to address poverty as the pandemic era provisions helping families are expiring. a recent california study names poverty as one of the country's leading risk factors for death

joining me now, bishop william j. barber, chair of the poor people's campaign. founding director of the center for public theology and public policy at yale divinity school it's always good to have a chance to talk to you. it is particularly important on this juneteenth to understand what your message is to lawmakers. >> well, thank you, chris. juneteenth in its original embodiment was not happy it was about people who had been lied to. they got two years of slavery out of the people in texas they were not happy. they were upset. they started looking at how could they organize to force citizenship. today we have to be thoughtful we should be bothered that among black people, along poverty, is 60%, over 26 million people are poor and/or low wealth

that we had an attempt to make living wage $15 a couple years ago. two democrats, 49 senators, blocked it and it blocked 41% of african americans from coming out of poverty and low wealth we need to be bother that had there are 87 million people today who are uninsured or underinsured we need to be bother that had voting rights is under attack like we have not seen since the days of jim crow and we ought to be bother that had 333,000 people died from covid. that poverty is the fourth leading cause of death higher than homicide higher than diabetes higher than respiratory disease. yet we have people, elected officials, who want to talk about culture wars and banning books and hitting the lgbtq community rather than talking about living wages and voting rights they want to block women's reproductive rights. these same people refuse to

address poverty, voting rights, living wages, to provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare and equal protection under the law. so a time of organizing, protesting, truth-telling, and i like the word the young man used before i came on empowering people with what they don't know >> can i give one more fact? because it relates to something you said, reverend there are about 500 deaths every day in this country related to poverty. it's about the same as dementia. except poverty is preventible. and you just said, i know you want this to be not just a celebration but a call to action so for people out there watching, what can they do how can they make their juneteenth and every day impactful? >> think about that. 500 deaths a day and probably higher based on the data that we talked about this morning more than 20 people an hour.

200,000 people a year. it doesn't have to be, this is policy murder. policy violence. and we can stop it that's why people of faith leaders from all backgrounds are in d.c. right now. we'll present a third reconstruction ending poverty and low wages to the congress. it will become a resolution saying if we're serious about life, then let's pass living wages. that everybody has health care let's make sure that of the 25 wealthest countries in the year with health care if you want people off assistance, give them a living wage we are a moral fusion movement we have black, brown, white, native, indigenous, young, old, gay, straight, catholics, jews, people of faith, people not of

faith. we'll meet with senators and house members. we'll have a meeting at the white house on wednesday and then from here, we're going to be going to 30 state capitols. where these political coups are happening. where people of color are coming to demand a different focus in this nation. we don't have this many people -- these deaths were prior to covid hear that. over 500 people a day were dying prior to covid we went into covid with people dying you unnecessarily from poverty. and then during covid, poor people died three to five times higher we'll have an assembly and we'll hear more about that but we must face this issue. >> always a pleasure thank you so much. we do appreciate it. that will do it for thus hour. make sure to join us every weekday at 1:00. nicoleal