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so-calleds building permits that tracks construction in the future they also rose. now, the caveat, jose, is that it doesn't take a lot to file for a permit, so those numbers don't eventually transfer, big day for real estate, though. jose. >> dominic, i thank you. that wraps up "jose diaz-balart reports." you can always reach me on twitter and instagram at j.d.balart "andrea mitchell reports" picks up right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports" breaking news from capitol hill to the white house. president biden's son hunter will plead guilty to two tax counts as part of a plea deal with a u.s. attorney appointed by donald trump. a separate gun charge will likely be dropped as part of a pretrial diversion program. we'll have expert reaction and
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all of the political fallout to come. also this hour, florida federal judge aileen cannon sets a file date for the president's documents case as mr. trump gives his most detailed answer yet since last week's indictment about his handling of america's secrets in response to tough questions from fox news anchor bret baier. >> why not just hand them over then? >> because i had the boxes. i wanted to go through the boxes and get all of my personal things out. i didn't want to hand it over yet, and i was very busy as you've sort of seen. >> yeah, you tell the aide to move to other locations after telling your lawyers you had fully complied with the subpoena when you hadn't? >> but i had to take all of my thing out. these boxes were interspersed with all sorts of things. >> and john durham to the house intelligence committee on the 206-page report that's highly critical of the fbi's
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investigation into the russian interference in 2016, to the republican intelligence committee chairman, on hunter biden's charges and to trump's latest comments about the mar-a-lago documents. and secretary of state antony blinken is in london today for a conference on ukraine, after trying to reset the tense u.s. relationship with china and meeting with xi. he sat down with our correspondents before leaving. >> both china and the united states i think recognized that we were in an increasingly unstable place in our relationship. i think this is the start of a process to put a little more stability into it. ♪♪ good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington, following all of the breaking news about hunter biden. after a five-year long investigation, lsu attorney david weiss, he was appointed by former president trump
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reachingal plea deal with hunter biden failing to pay taxes. biden will also face a separate gun charge and is expected to enter a pretrial diversion where those charges would be dropped. hunter biden releasing a statement, i know hunter believes it is important to take responsibility for these mistakes that he made during a period of turmoil and addiction in his life. he looks forward to recovery and moving forward. in a separate statement from the white house, quote, the president and first lady love their son and will support him as he continues to rebuild his life. we will have no further comment. and from republican oversight committee chair james comer, quote, hunter biden is getting away with a slap on the wrist. the charges against hunter biden and sweet hart plea deal have no impact on the investigation. joining me now nbc correspondent and justice correspondent ken
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dilanian, andrew wiseman, and former u.s. attorney juk rosenberg. it's great to have you all. ken dilanian, take us through what we know howl the deal came together? >> reporter: well, andrea, this case has been investigated as you said for five years by the trump-appointed u.s. attorney in delaware, david greed to stay on and operated as deet factory attorney, independent of those who run the justice department including merrick garland who i believe is overseas right now. so very far away from this announcement today. what will they announced is a plea deal where hunter biden is admitting to crimes. he's admitting to willfully failing to pay his taxes in 2017 and 2018, but they're misdemeanors. under this arrangement, mr. biden would not get prison time, he would be sentenced to probation, assuming the judge
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goes along. then there's the other judge charge where he filled out a form declining -- or failing to say he was addicted to drugs at the time. that technically is a felony. he'll enter a diversion program that won't be on his record. in a sense, you see this as a significant victory for hunter biden, look, he paid back what is we believe more than $1 million in a tax bill last year. the documents don't specify exactly how much taxes he owed. as part of a significant federal investigation. but also looked into whether he was violating the law by representing foreign companies or governments. nbc news reported that he was paid millions of dollars, some $13 million from ukrainian and chinese business interests. at the end of the day, investigators did not find criminal wrongdoing in any of that, at least according to this presentation today. and hunter biden's lawyers are saying from their per inspected
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perspective that means the case resolved but we do have a line that says the investigation is ongoing. it's hard to believe there's an investigation for hunter biden when he's agreed to plead guilty to these charges. >> chuck rosenberg, that's the case. what about the charge immediately from james kome early and other republicans that this is, quote, a sweetheart deal? how long is this plea deal? >> well, two different questions, andrea. so, first question, first, you know what should we expect mr. comer to say, pretty much what he said, he lives in a political world, not a legal world. and i wouldn't put very much stock in it. and by the way, i mean that in a bipartisan way. members of congress say what members of congress say. he may not like the bill, so be it. how unusual is the deal? well, pretrial diversion is sparingly used when i was a prosecutor a couple hundred years ago, it was almost never used. it's used more often today than it was in the past.
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in many cases, it's an appropriate decision, because it allows somebody like hunter biden in this case to abide by a series of commitments that he'll make to the government, and if he manages to do that i imagine, you know, stay drug-free, not possess a firearm for some period of time, 18 months, two years, then the charge, underlying charge essentially goes away, it evaporates, it seems like a fair deal to me. all of these things turn on their facts. we're not privy to all of the fact but mr. weiss and prosecutors and agents in delaware are. we'll know more soon when additional documents are filed in open court. so, i would say it's a device, pretrial diversion, using sparingly. but i hope, here, appropriately. >> andrew wiseman, and you're former general counsel to the fbi. here, you've got someone who has multimillion-dollar deals with
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foreign corporations. he's the son of, so it's a conflict of interest, you could say in terms of appearance, but there's no legal issue there, we can stipulate that. just the fact he didn't pay any taxes, $1.5 million in income, and did not pay any taxes for two years. i guess the excuse they're giving, the explanation, i should say, is that he was addicted and not aware. i mean, how does this all add up? >> well, just to be clear, whatever excuse or explanation they had they're giving up because he's going to plead guilty to doing this willfully. so, you know, one different between him and other people like the former president is he is actually pleading guilty. and you do get a benefit, if you plead guilty. lots of people talked about take the trump situation, that if he were pleading guilty, he may have been treated like david petraeus and other people who just generally are treated
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better if you plead guilty in our legal sentencing, under the guidelines, there's a provision for that. to underscore your position to chuck, it's important to know who will made the decision here. it's a trump holdover who made the decision and who did the investigation. the tax division has to sign off on this. so that should give people some comfort that this is not a sweetheart deal but this is pretty standard. my own experience is that first-time tax offenses like this are generally treated pretty leniently, as well as the felony count which is a pretrial diversion. for substantial issues that that statute may be unconstitutional. so, i think all in all, this seems like a very fair resolution. >> and, chuck, i want to ask you about something that ken allude to because we're not quite clear what this means. because the special counsel weiss said that there's an
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ongoing investigation. is that pro forma? or are there other open issues that you would think are involved here? >> well, let's take him at his word, andrea. i mean it could be something that a pr person dropped into the press release without much thought. because that's often what we say, because it's often true. but let's take him at his word, there's an ongoing investigation. my guess is that it's not of hunter biden. it would be logical that hunter biden would reside all of his criminal legal exposure with these two pleas. the pretrial diversion agreement on the gun charge. and the guiltile plea on the misdemeanor, failing to pay taxes charges. so, let's see if there's an ongoing investigation. let's see if mr. weiss stays in office, to continue his work, time will tell. >> and andrew weissmann, i want
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to pivot to former president trump. first of all, the trial judge set the august 14th date for the trial which could change with pretrial motions and other stays. what do you think about that? but importantly, let me play a little bit about what he said to bret baier in a really tough comprehensive meeting last night on fox news about why he held on to the classified documents. this was his first real response since the indictment. >> i have every right to have those boxes. this is purely a presidential records act. this is not a criminal thing. in fact, "the new york times" of all had a story just the other day that the only way marra could ever get this stuff, this back, would be please, please, please could we have it back. >> they asked for it. they did ask for it -- >> no. >> they asked for the documents. >> and we were talking -- >> and your reaction to that and
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other things he said in this interview on fox last night? >> well, what he said is very inconsistent with other defenses he's put forward. in other words, you don't sit there and lie to the department of justice and say that you have returned everything when what he's now saying i actually was still going through the boxes. and completely damning statements. and the judge set a date, but it's sort of a first date. it is extremely likely that for a whole variety of reasons involving motion practice. >> andrew weissmann, chuck rosenberg, ken dilanian, thank yous for starting us off today. and the plea agreement with biden attorneys and trump-appointed attorneys have been criticized by the house speaker kevin mccarthy as a sweetheart deal and by james
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comer. and chairman of the house intelligence committee, he joins me now. mr. chairman, i have to clear my throat. >> great to see you. >> i don't think i've seen you since munich in february. i love that you could come today and with the hearing coming up. >> thank you. >> i want to ask you about the durham investigation and what you're hoping to get out of it. i know it's a closed hearing, talk to me about hunter biden. >> right. >> and what we know. >> i would say in comment to your prior commentators, this is not a victory for hunter biden, at the end of the day, to be a convicted felon, that's certainly not a victory. there are aspects that everybody in their gut believes this is a sweetheart deal. one is, they talked about this being a pretrial diversion agreement. this isn't pretrial, this is precharges. this is all one giant package. he was not put through charges
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and then being dragged into court and then the circus of being in the court. it was all collapsed into one. this is obviously packaged, because of the uniqueness of hunter biden being president biden's son, with that, he got preferential treatment. >> going to the durham case, and as we thought he might in this very lengthy investigation, were you trying to find out from john durham today? >> excellent. so, as you know, special counsel mueller, in his investigation, in his report, indicated that there was nothing to -- there cass collusion between russia and donald trump in the election of 2016. durham confirms that. dutt durham's task was different than mueller. mueller was looking at donald trump himself. mueller was looking at the fbi. he found wrongdoing in the fbi, he found what he said was political bias.
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>> he also found suspicious relationships with russia, but he did not -- he deferred to others saying -- >> all of which he knew before, none of which went to the issue -- he said they were uncooperative, they were untrue, they remained uncooperative. there's no evidence before the fbi, or certainly even now, no evidence of the collusion, but what he found in the wrongdoing of the fbi, that's what our hearing was really about. because no one was held to account, you had a number of things to be done, representation to the fisa court. >> the special court that decides to grant surveillance ability. that they acted improperly. >> right, so american citizens -- >> should mr. durham have filed charges? >> that's one of the things we're going to address with him today, is it that there's not sufficient laws or not sufficient facts. if it's not sufficient laws that's our job. that's what we need to do and we
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need to fix this. >> let me ask you about classified documents because you've read the indictment which is very graphic in the narrative. and i want to play a little more sound from bret baier's interview on fox last night. >> why not just hand them over then? >> because i had boxes. i wanted to go through the boxes and get my thing out i didn't want to hand that over yet. i was very busy as you've sort of seen. >> moving to other locations after telling your lawyers you fully complied with the subpoena when you hadn't. >> these boxes were interspersed with all sorts of things. >> mr. chairman, you deal with classified documents every day. you're the chairman, you see everything. you've seen these pictures. the bathroom, the shower, the storeroom. and under marra, the former president was supposed to finish
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the sorting process before he left office. not just have things thrown in a box with the golf shirts. i mean, ass were could tell, it was not helping with these totally admissible comments. and this was an excellent interview by my colleague bret baier. >> yeah, my first thought was he should stop talking. we all know, the documents should not have been there but our committee interviewed the archivist, they said up in the point that the first were surrendered, he didn't even know he had documents. >> but prior to the subpoena and search? >> but they went further and said every administration since reagan has delivered boxes where classified and nonclassified documents were commingled. so, clearly, we have a problem in decision of administrations. we're looking at the laws there and what needs to be done. because these types of documents
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should not be being removed. they should be in secure places. >> i want to also ask you about china, reaction to secretary blinken's trip. they did not restore military to military communications but they seem to have gotten back to talking. and the foreign minister is going to come here. we don't know what's next. both sides including president xi said the world needs these two superpowers to work with each other. >> right. i'm very concerned about the administration's tongue with china, it's so conciliatory. even talking about the balloon traversing across the continental united states, even now, the president is making statements excusing the behavior on the part of china. if we're ever going to hold them account and hold them tole restore an equal dialogue, we at least have to identify what's bad. >> do you have assessment of what the chinese may have maintained. >> i really can't, i can't talk about the status of that.
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as you know, it's ongoing with the expectations. >> and the status during the progress? >> i think we're getting really good answers. the question, though, goes to how do we make certain that when china opens police stations in the united states, there's a spy balloon that goes across our country is negotiating to put a base right off of our shore, with cuba. where before we had a union problem with cuba, that you really need to be able to call them out and put those issues on the table. >> let me nail down what's happening in cuba because they've been there for a while but it's my information that they are negotiating for an expansion. >> that's what you reported, yes. >> and tell me what you can say about that. are we actually going to see a military base not just a listening post. >> i can't go into the details. so, i'm speaking of. what you're reporting. >> and with "the wall street journal" said. >> those are things that still this administration is not being as aggressive with china as they
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need to be. and calling them out. and really saying this is not permissible. this is not behavior that the united states is going to allow for normal relations to occur. >> thank you for coming back. >> great to see you. >> thank you. and drifting toward more on the heels of secretary blinken's high-stakes meeting in beijing, with president xi, former high-ranking officials are calling on washington to deter terms of aggression against taiwan before it's too late. we'll have those from the cabinet secretary, our cabinets-level officials, chairman of joint chiefs, coming up next. and on main streets acrs the us, you'll find pnc bank. helping businesses both large and small, communities and the people who live and work there grow and thrive. we're proud to call these places home too. they're where we put down roots, and where together, we work to help move
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to comcast business internet customers. so boost your bottom line by switching today. comcast business. powering possibilities™. secretary of state blinken is in london today following that high-stakes beating in beijing with china's president xi jinping yesterday, trying to stop the downward spiraling relationship with china. taiwan was once a center issue for them to talk about. and they did not agree on resuming military-to-military communications. but how it used to exist to avoid miscalculation. blinken has said that is critical to avoid any potential accidental conflict particularly over taiwan. nbc's janis mackey frayer asked secretary blinken about his discussions about taiwan. >> one thing we tried to make clear is that at the very heart of the relationship between
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china and the united states, when diplomatic relations were established is our understanding that differences with regard to taiwan will be resolved. peacefully. >> what are the chances of that? today, the council on foreign relations is releasing its new report on u.s./taiwan relations in a new era responding to a more assertive china. joining us the former director of national intelligence susan gordon. and admiral. both co-chairs on the council on foreign relations. it's so good to see both ever you. thank you so much, for this, for the report. add miller mullen, talk to us about your concerns how likely it is there there be conflict between the u.s. and china over taiwan? >> i think, andrea, it's
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increasingly likely. as you mentioned going to commercial, increasing into war, in termsing of the overall assessment. the report lays out actually a pretty significant part of it is history. i think that's really important. it's an enormously complex issue that has evolved over the last 40 to 50 years. the context has changed because taiwan is now leaning much more democratically, they're prospering because of a booming economy. and they're the center of the earth with respect to manufacturing semi conducts which are title to the globe. and they've -- they're moving in a direction and supported by friends in the region where they haven't been before. so, things have changed. and because of that, you know, the road to a peaceful resolution i think has gotten narrower and narrower. which then begets the requirement to have the leaders talk to each other, president xi
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and president biden to make sure that we actually don't end up in a conflict which would be devastating for the world. >> sue gordon, of course, the chairman, the former chairman of the jointle chie chiefs was a u intelligence you were in charge of for years, in different agencies, and with respect to coauthor of this, how concerning it is, in the coming years, i think bill burns told me last summer, within the next five years, that there could be conflict there as xi's power changes and as their economic problems increase. and, again, as democracy spreading, proliferates in taiwan. >> so, great to see you, andrea. i think a couple things to keep in mind, number one is the prospect of military conflict there is devastating.
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and so doing all we can to try and forestall this, the right thing. when you look at it from china's perspective, only xi knows what his intention is. but if you look at the observables what you have are statements on his part that he believes reunification is an issue of nationalism that should be passed on. you see increasingly coercive acts from china toward taiwan. i think you also just see growth in their military capabilities that were not present even ten years ago. and then finally, their actions globally, but particularly in the south china sea. so, what you see are statements, actions and capability. does that mean that you've decided how it will be resolved. it does not necessarily, but i think that's really where our report was trying to focus is, so take this moment and then do
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our job to flesh out that outcome, and to change his calculus against anything other than peace. >> admiral, what could we do, if in the proximity, what if beijing decides and takes military action? how would america stop them? the president said that we are committed to defending taiwan. >> well, i think if you the sat down with the admiral who is in charge of the "o" plan, if you will, or the plan, if there is a conflict, he needs to be and likely, he needs to be ready tomorrow to do this. and i know his focus and the focus in the indo pacific region has gone up dramatically from where it used to be. there's an awful lot we can do militarily to stop the chinese. it shouldn't be lost on anybody that any kind of laning
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amphibious landing. it's the most complicated military operation that i'm aware of. so there's no easy for china with respect to that. the part of the worry, at least our report lays out our belief that deterrence is actually failing. it hasn't failed for obvious reasons because we're not in conflict. and that we need to build up that deterrence in a very strong way so that the chinese leadership will never decide now is the time to go to war and take taiwan back. we support the one china policy which is the peaceful reunification. that's what has been in play for, you know, 40-plus years. and we would like to see that continue. >> sue gordon and admiral mike mullen. thanks to both of you. i know you've got an event to present your findings and appreciate you coming here with us. >> thank you. >> thank you, andrea. and conflict over taiwan is one of the tensions that
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remains. janis mackey frayer did sit down with secretary blinken and asked him about the spy base in cuba. >> of course, this is something that's not new. this is something that's gone on for a number of years, that i raised t with my chinese counterpart. >> are they concerned with it being more than a spy base? >> we have concerns and physically taking a position, or trying to take a position with the country that could turn into a military basis of some kind. >>frayer, joins us how after your marathon work in beijing with the secretary. thank you, janis, for being with us. there have been positions and i've been told this is very much
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underway that there is initially an agreement for what would be a training center, a base. >> that is the belief at this point, that it starts as a diplomatic relations, and then it spans to possible training facility. and then there could be the potential for military assets to be moved. in speaking with secretary blinken about this, he says of that the u.s. is very much aware of what has been happening at this base. that these are conversations that they had with other countries, warnings that they give to other countries, about the slow creep of chinese influence. that it can start with diplomatic relations but then move towards something very different. but he says this is something that the u.s. is aware of, that they're watching. and that he did raise directly with his chinese counterparts. >> you also asked him about the
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spy balloon. and did he basically say case closed? >> this was the trip that secretary blinken had called off when the spy balloon had been shot down. and the biden administration made no secret about wanting to get this visit back on track. so, it naturally begs the question, does it not, does this mean that the balloon incident, vis-a-vis china is over? here's what he had to say. >> so, with beijing, the balloon incident is over? water under the bridge? >> we have -- we did what we needed to do to protect our interests. we said what we needed to say and made clear what we needed to make clear in terms of this not happening again. and so, as long as it doesn't, that chapter should be closed. >> reporter: that was after president biden had said he felt
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that the balloon incident was for xi jinping more of an embarrassment than it was intentional. so, certainly, reading in the tea leaves on that, on whether the administration feels that it's time to move beyond the balloon. andrea. >> janis mackey frayer, thank you so much. great to see you, great interview. and much more in just a moment on our top stories today. the plea deal for hunter biden and the latest in the indictment of former president trump. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. usive gel flex grid draws away heat, relieves pressure, and instantly adapts. sleep better, live purple. visit purple.com or a mattress store near you.
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reimagining public education. former president trump of course is facing his own legal woes. was very quick to slam hunter biden's plea agreement, criticizing hunter biden and the justice department in social media. joining us kristen welker and u.s. chief peter maker. i want to play your question to president biden in the debate about hunter biden. >> there have been questions about the work your son has done in china and for the ukrainian energy company when you were vice president. in retrospect, was anything inappropriate or unethical. >> nothing was unethical. here's the deal, with regard to
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ukraine, we had this whole question about whether or not, because he was on the board of burisma, a company, that somehow i'd done something wrong. every single solitary person when he was going through his impeachment, testifying under oath who worked for him said i did my job impeccably. i carried out u.s. policy. not one single solitary thing was out of line. >> that doesn't get to the issue about whether it was inappropriate, that appearance for ukraine, when he was doing ukraine -- >> the optics were incredibly problematic, andrea at the time. they will undoubtedly be on the campaign trail and hunter biden has reached this plea deal with trump appointee, by the way, to plead guilty to the tax evasions but it doesn't address his foreign business dealings.
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but you can bet republicans, former president trump already called this a sweetheart deal. are going to continue to argue this underscores their point that they say there are two systems of justice. this a trump appointee. that's going to be the pushback. president biden's remarks, basically he said we stan by our son. this is a political problem, andrea, there's no doubt. >> and they say they won't have any further comment on it. it becomes a political issue, peter baker, though, how are they handling this? republicans are not going to let this go. this has become their mantra, hunter biden, anytime you talk about plea issues. >> yeah, coming one week after trump's indictment variably raises that comparison. even there are vast differences. charged with felony charges.
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and for touch and his allies, a sweetheart deal to the president's current the current president's son and a trump appointed prosecutor. it doesn't matter with specific facts because at this point, it becomes on the right. hunter biden automatically rises and these are shady dealings, even though he's not being charged. that is something politically painful for the president and for the president's son, with the cocaine addiction. and all of the troubles that his family has had, of course makes this a particularly awkward and unpleasant moment for the president. >> it's awkward, it's painful, it's poignant. peter, stay with us for a moment, former president trump and what he had to say in 2020 and the election. i want to play this exchange with bret baier on fox about the
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2020 election. >> first of all, i won in 2020 by a lot. let's get that straight. i won in 2020 -- >> you know that's not -- >> all of the tapes, everything you want to look at, you take a look at truth, they have people stuffing the ballots -- >> mr. president -- >> wait a minute, fbi twitter, the 51 agents, call corrupt stuff, bret. >> i understand that but that's not the election. you lost the 2020 election. >> but you take a look at all of the stuffed ballots. you take a look at all of the things including things like the 51 intelligence agents. >> there were recounts in all of the swing states. there was not significant -- >> tried to get recounts. >> real recounts. widespread corruption, there was not a sense of that. there were lawsuits more than 50 of them by your lawyers. some judges that you appointed. >> look at wisconsin.
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came out with no -- >> let's just say, that is not easy to do, and bret baier did it. peter, the fact that he's at this stage still arguing that he won the election, after everything that's happened how is that ignored by the republican base? >> that's a remarkable thing. obviously, we know almost everything that came out of his mouth wasn't true. it's not backed up. there's no evidence to things he says and yet he says them again and again and again. he's been successful in convincing many republican core voters that's the case, even though again it's not true. most republican officeholders, most republican leaders know it's not true but won't say it. they're afraid of saying to cross him, they're afraid of political penalty to be paid for saying the truth which is that he did lose that election. and bret baier correctly said that. and again, it's also become an article of fate. you're either going along
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with -- i think that's a real telling moment where the republican party is today. >> certainly is, chris citizen welker. >> it just underscores what we're seeing with former president trump's rivals that you're not seeing them going after him. on the indictments that he's facing. i think the question mark is will their tone begin to shift. with the legal problems, by the way, he's talking about his legal problems in these interviews, you have to think if you're his attorneys, that's making them pretty nervous. >> thank you kristin welker and peter baker. the race against time, this is desperate. the search for the missing sub. the terms that the rescue teams
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the u.s. and canadian coast guards are working together now to find the submersible which only has about two days left of auction yen. among the passengers on board is pakistani businessman da wood and his son. indeed, we've confirmed that billionaire hamish harding who on instagram on sunday announced he'd be diving to the "titanic" was on board. in a statement, ocean gate, the private company which charters the tour says our entire focus is on the well-being of the crew. and every step is being taken to bring the five crew members back safely. joining me now from boston is nbc news correspondent kristen dahlgren, kristen, is there any sign, how complicated, a deep dive rescue beyond what the navy even normally does? >> reporter: right, this is incorrectly complex. and unfortunately no sign so far. we have just gotten word,
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andrea, that france is joining, the french ministry in a statement telling nbc news that it has a robotic vessel that, an exploration robot, that is nearby. it's about 48 hours to get to the site. it's expected to be there now at 8:00 p.m. on wednesday. it has the capability of going to that 13,000 feet, where the wreckage of the "titanic" is. that's really been one of the complicating factors here is the sheer depth that they're dealing with. if you think about it the pressures down there are, you know, the equivalent of being under the empire state building made completely out of lead. so the pressure is so intense, that ordinary vehicles, even navy submarines, don't go that far. that's why they've been dealing with these submersibles. the problem with submersibles, of course, is they're dependent on a ship aboveground. sort of a mother ship on the surface of the ocean that is able to give it the supplies.
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because there is only a limited amount of air on board. 96 hours, it was estimated, of air. it dr. co2 scrubbers, but it doesn't have the capability of making more oxygen. and so this really is a desperate, desperate search right now. we are expecting the coast guard here in boston to update at about 1:00 eastern time. and so, we're waiting for any new details on the search. they have dropped sonar buoys in. and they're trying to listen for any type of pinging, banging, voices that they hear that might indicate that the crew and the people on board are still alive but so far, there has been no contact at all with the submersible since sunday, andrea. >> this is just so desperate, kristen, i know you and tom costello, the whole team in the world is watching. you're at the coast guard station in boston. and you'll have all of the latest and, of course, the briefing at 1:00, thank you,
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kristen dahlgren in boston. and speaking safety on this world refugee day, i'll be talking to a journalist who escaped to the u.s. also ahead on the international committee on his push for more humane policies and political pushback against refugees. all of that coming up with david miliband. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. and save on every perk. sadie is moving to the big city and making moves on her plan, too. apple one, on. now she's got plenty of entertainment for the whole ride. finally there! hot spot, on. and she's fully connected before her internet is even installed. (sadie) hi, mom! (mom) how's the apartment? (vo) introducing myplan. get exactly what you want, only pay for what you need. act now and get it for $25 when you bring your phones. it's your verizon. want your clothes to smell freshly washed all day without heavy perfumes? try downy light in-wash freshness boosters. it has long-lasting light scent, no heavy perfumes, and no dyes.
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today marks world refugee day, recognizing the nearly 110 million people, 110 million people around the world who have been forced to flee their homes according to the united nations. and that includes refugees and those displaced internally in countries like escaping the front lines, if there are front lines, everything is vulnerable in ukraine, escaping war, famine and global instability. more than half of these people are from syria, ukraine and afghanistan. almost 6 million people have
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neighboring countries. joining us now, david miliband of the international rescue committee and former uk foreign secretary. and maria matia, ukrainian refugee living here now in the united states, safely, happily, we hope. so, david, first, give us a snapshot of the global refugee flow right now, the crisis, some of the challenges and the cruelty people are facing at times and what you pointed out today in the financial times. >> thanks very much, andrea. 1 in 74 people on the planet is an refugee or internally displaced person. that's a record. they're fleeing from war, as in maria's case that she can describe eloquently and well. what we're suffering from is obviously a crisis of diplomacy because around the world, 54, 55 conflicts going on that are driving people from their homes, most recently the sudan conflict that you've thankfully given some coverage to.
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1.5, 2 million people displaced inside sudan. the great lie, of course, is that refugees are fleeing their countries for any reason other than absolute fear, and the second lie is that they don't contribute to the countries that they arrive in. maria can tell you about the job she's doing in wichita. we know that refugees are great contributors, they're changemakers, innovators in the countries that they come to. and refugee status is born of desperate straits around the world. but it is also that something that brings out humanity and that's something we want to emphasize on world refugee day. >> that sets the stage. you're now in kansas. tell me about what -- how you made the decision for you and your family to leave ukraine. what was that moment forcing you to flee? >> we lived in ukraine all our lives. in the eastern part of ukraine. we didn't want to go somewhere, leave our lives.
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in the beginning of war, we decided to stay at home because many regions of ukraine were under bomb. and we didn't know if it is safe to go somewhere. but almost three weeks we lived in the basement under bombing without electricity, without connection, without water and even without food. and after that we decided to -- after that we can escape from our city, we are surrounded by russian troops. and then we came to safety, safety place of ukraine. and we thought about how to leave our life, we thought about to go abroad, but we didn't want
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to sit and wait. we wanted to build our life. and our american sponsors, they found us our chain of friends and that's why we're here. >> we hope you are finding kansas welcoming and not too -- not too, you know, foreign an experience. >> sure. >> the u.s. and, you know, the uk, are they doing enough in terms of the numbers of refugees that we're accepting into our countries? >> well, the short answer is in respect of ukrainians, the response by europe, 6 million refugees there, including the uk, 100,000 in the u.s., that response has been striking and positive. but for refugees from elsewhere, refugees from afghanistan, refugees from syria, refugees
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from sudan, the picture is far more bleak. it is both bleak in terms of refugee resettlement, which the biden administration is trying to build up having been decimated -- program having been decimated in the trump years and it is bleak also in terms of the support given to refugee hosting states. it is a myth that most refugees are in rich countries. most refugees are in poor or middle income countries, countries like jordan, countries like uganda, bangladesh. these are the countries like turkey, these are countries with millions of refugees each, lebanon, quarter of its population are refugees, and there is very little international support for those countries. refugees are often in poverty, host communities are in poverty. there is tension that arises from that. if we can translate the refugee experience with ukrainians like maria and see that for refugees at other places, the world would be a much better place. >> and my experience with people who worked for the u.s. government in afghanistan is that once they arrive here,
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those who are fortunate enough to get out, they do not have the services that they need to help them get jobs and sustain themselves. >> that's a very good point. we work at the ifd in 29 u.s. cities to help people make a new start. but with housing costs, the employment market the way it is, it is tough situation for people when they arrive. >> david miliband, thank you for what you're doing. and maria matia, welcome to the u.s. let me be the last, the most recent to say welcome to the united states. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember to follow the show online, on facebook and on twitter at mitchell reports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. the race to find a titan sub and five people on board is growing more desperate and more dire with each passing hour. we're going to find out where the search stands right now with
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