to get out, they do not have the services that they need to help them get jobs and sustain themselves. >> that's a very good point. we work at the ifd in 29 u.s. cities to help people make a new start. but with housing costs, the employment market the way it is, it is tough situation for people when they arrive. >> david miliband, thank you for what you're doing. and maria matia, welcome to the u.s. let me be the last, the most recent to say welcome to the united states. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember to follow the show online, on facebook and on twitter at mitchell reports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. the race to find a titan sub and five people on board is growing more desperate and more dire with each passing hour. we're going to find out where the search stands right now with an update from the coast guard

that is expected to start any minute now. we'll bring you that as soon as it begins. plus, the polarizing plea deal for the president's son. republicans blasting the agreement that lets hunter biden avoid jail time as a slap on the wrist. but some legal experts suggest that if his last name wasn't biden, he might never have faced charges in the first place. and this deal was announced just about half an hour after we learned donald trump's court date. now less than eight weeks away. does judge aileen cannon's accelerated timeline suggest this trial could be over before the primaries even begin? but, we start with the extraordinary developments developing the current and former president on the same okay that donald trump's trial date is set, president biden's son hunter has reached a deal with federal prosecutors to avoid a trial and jail time. and we will get to that momentarily. but, first, let's take you to the coast guard briefing, the latest on the sub and the five people on board. let's listen.

>> -- the next 24 hours. on behalf of all the men and women of the united states coast guard, and our search partners, we offer our most heart felt thoughts and prayers for the five crew members, their families and their loved ones. our crews are working around the clock to ensure that we are doing everything possible to locate the titan and the five crew members. yesterday we set up a unified command consisting of expertise from the united states coast guard, the united states navy, canadian armed forces and coast guard, and the titan's parent company oceangate expedition. this is a complex search effort which requires multiple agencies with subject matter expertise and specialized equipment. while the u.s. coast gart has assumed the role of search and miss mission coordinator, we don't have the all necessary equipment required in a search of this nature. the unified command brings that expertise and additional capability together to maximize

effort in solving this very complex problem. out of order here. as a recap, on sunday, the coordination command center in boston received a report from the canadian expedition vessel polar prince of overdue 21 foot titan with five people on board. the titan was attempting to dive on the wreck of the "titanic" east of cape cod and south of st. johns, newfoundland. approximately one hour and 45 minutes into the scheduled dive, the polar prince lost all communication with titan. the polar prince conducted an initial search and requested coast guard assistance. the u.s. coast guard in boston assumed the responsibility of search and rescue mission coordinator and launched search assets. since sunday, the coast guard

coordinated search efforts with the u.s. and canadian coast guard, air national guard aircraft and polar prince, which searched to combine an area larger than the state of connecticut. these efforts have focused on surface, with c-130 aircraft searching by sight and radar, and subsurface with p-3 aircraft were able to drop and monitor sonar buoys. to date, those search efforts have not yielded any results. search efforts have continued through last night and today. today the vessel deep energy, 194 meter type lane vessel arrived on scene with underwater rov capability. they have rendezvoused with the vessel polar prince and commenced an rov dive at the last known of the position of the titan and the approximate position of the "titanic" wreck. that operation is currently ongoing. additionally, a canadian p-3

aircraft is conduct a six-hour search of the area and several c-130 aircraft and another p-3 are scheduled to fly this afternoon and this evening. the canadian coast guard cutter or vessel john cabot is scheduled to arrive later this evening and several other canadian vessels are en route. the u.s. coast guard has -- the u.s. navy's supervisor salvaging dive and command is working with u.s. transportation command to bring additional assets to the search area. these more capable assets will be staged out of st. john's for further transport to the search area. there are several private vessel research vessels, rov capabilities making preparations to join the efforts. so i want to reiterate, this is a very complex search and the unified teams working around the clock to bring all available assets and expertise to bear as quickly as possible in an effort to solve this very complex problem.

we'll continue to provide updates as they become available. and again our thoughts and prayers are with the crew and the families and the loved ones. we will provide unwavering effort as we continue the search and i think i'll open it up and take a few questions. [ inaudible ] >> so each of the rovs, that's a vague question. rovs have different capability. it is our understanding the current rov deployed at the site now has limited capability and has a camera on board. but, again, each of those is different. and we'll be gathering more information as that operation goes on through the day. >> tom costello with nbc news. if your submersibles can find this sub, is there any way to retrieve it and save the people on board? >> right now all of our efforts are focused on finding the sub. what i will tell you is we have

a group of our nation's best experts in the unified command and if we get to that point, those experts will be looking at what the next course of action is. >> how many hours of oxygen are left that you know of that you can estimate right now on this submersible and is it -- does it have to be approved or regulated? >> so, first of all, it is an estimate. we know from the data we were using starting point was 96 hours. we know at this point we're approximately about 40, 41 hours. >> left? >> yes. >> and does it have to be approved or regulated, the submersibles? >> i'm not sure of the exact technical piece of that. we know there is about 40 hours of breathable air left, based on that initial report. again, that was just initial report, based on 96 hours from when the vessel -- >> even with that amount of time that is left, let's say 41 hours

or so, if you were to find the submersible at this moment, would that give you enough time to save these five people on board? >> yeah, so i don't know the answer to that question. what i will tell you is we will do everything in our power to affect a rescue. again, it is going to depend on if the rov finds something, it is going to depend on what they find, what needs to be -- what steps need to be taken next and really that is for the experts in the unified command to take a look at and then decide what is the best course of action is. >> it seems to have taken -- about eight hours to contact you on sunday after they lost contact with the sub. is that a cause for concern? >> right now our effort and our focus is on searching with what we know. as soon as we receive the report on sunday evening, we

immediately launched search efforts. we flew assets that evening and we continued constant surface and air asset searches since that point. >> you mentioned that the search operation is very complicated. what are the biggest challenges to this? >> well, it is -- this is a complex search. and it is complex for a variety of reasons. we're talking about a search area that is 900 miles east of cape cod, 400 miles south of st. john's, so logistically speaking, it is hard to bring assets to bear, takes time, takes coordination. and then we're dealing with, you know, two pieces of -- dealing with a surface search and a sub surface search. that makes it incredibly complex operation. >> will the u.s. navy or the canadian navy be able to get salvage equipment on time before the air runs out? >> obviously getting salvage equipment on scene is a top priority.

unified command is working through that to prioritize what equipment we can get there. there are ongoing operations right now via the u.s. navy to get equipment staged in st. john's and get it on scene. i can't give you an exact timeline of when that is going to happen. what i can tell you is there is a full press, full court press effort to get equipment on scene as quickly as we can. >> equipment already on the east coast, though, or coming from the pacific, for example? >> no, so some of the equipment coming is coming from the east coast. but, again, we're talking about very heavy equipment. it is a complicated transport operation. but the best professionals in the world are working it and it is u.s. trans com. >> when it comes to the equipment, can you go into more detail -- [ inaudible ] >> so there are several civilian ships that have offered services heading that way.

additional coast guard cutters. we hope to have a canadian coast guard cutter on scene this evening. we hope they can assume on scene commander. polar prince has been doing a great job with those duties. if we take some of that from them, that would be good. your question about specific equipment. i won't get into specific equipment. i'm not an expert on what that equipment is, but we have experts in the unified command that are going through that, prioritizing what we need and how we get it on scene. >> how many people are out there and also -- >> from boston specifically? so boston, where boston plays a role, the command center, the rescue coordination center is here in boston. the aircraft that cropare comin are coming from different locations but the command structure is out of boston. time for two more questions. [ inaudible ] >> i don't want to speak about the coast guard. it is a unique operation,

challenging operation. but right now we're focused on putting everything we can at it and searching as hard as we can and getting assets out there as quickly as we can. >> what sort of assets do they have? [ inaudible ] >> so there are some additional assets with rovs. there is one asset that is working to get on scene, the decompression chamber. so those are all pieces that are coming together. and we're working those logistical challenges to get them there. i think we'll take one more. [ inaudible ] >> i can't tell you exactly that it would look like. i would tell you that, you know, we are out there, we're searching, we wouldn't be doing this -- we wouldn't be searching and putting all effort out there. i think if the sub is located, that's a question that then the

experts need to look at, what is the best course of action for recovering the sub. i think it is going to depend on that particular situation and if we encounter that. >> is it true the british offered assistance and they were told we don't need your assistance at this point? >> i'm not aware of that. the unified command is working through -- working through prioritizing. we know there is equipment out there that can be brought to the scene. the unified command is working through prioritizing what equipment we need and then how we get it there. >> the french are also responding to the ship as well? >> yes, it is my understanding, correct. thank you. >> thank you. i appreciate you guys coming out today. just to take some additional stuff that maybe wasn't answered, we can try to get some information back to you a little bit later. >> can you clarify the question about the -- [ inaudible ] are they not out there? are they just -- [ inaudible ] >> right, so the rescue

coordination center he's talking about specifically based in boston, the personnel working at the command and control environment as far as building a lot of search and rescue plans, sending out the information, coordinating those pieces are here. the people affecting the mission, so the pilots, the air crews, all the ships, those are based out of different areas. our pilots, air crews are out of elizabeth city, north carolina. the coast guard cutter is out of newport, rhode island. but they were operating already in the arctic. so there are a number of people that are here, working, but are not physically located out in the search area. >> command and control? >> yes. >> it sounds like for the most part the staging area is moving to st. john's. >> so, i believe, yeah, a lot of incidents, st. john, newfoundland, yes. so, our aircraft, c-130 aircraft, they're based out of

there as well. there is a number of pieces going out there. logistically it is easier. >> what about trans com organizing the different assets available? [ inaudible ] is there one on the way? >> i don't know the answer to that one. i know a lot of the questions are unanswered. we're not the right agency to be asking that. we should be the one to give you the answer to you, but we want you to hear it from the subject matter experts. that's our next plan is get an opportunity for you all to have to get all the subject matter experts we can into one location to get those questions answered to give you the best thing we can do. >> after 40 hours, that becomes a recovery mission? >> i'm sorry -- >> when the 40 hours are up, if

that's the estimate, is that the moment you shift from search and rescue to recovery operation? >> i think it depends on a number of factors. anything can change between now and then as far as information, things like that, that could change that. it is not a hard and fast, you know, time's up, time to transition. there is a lot of factors that go into it that could extend. >> what role does the lack of oxygen play in those factors. with 40 hours of oxygen left, when do you change from a search and rescue to -- >> i don't know the answer to that. that's outside. we can try to get back to as we transition through that. we'll have better answers to that. >> is there any information about the conditions out there, what exactly are -- >> the weather -- yes, so actually i have -- i believe the weather on scene today was five

to six foot seas. >> what does that mean? >> wave height, five to six feet. i believe it was 15 knot winds. visibility was very foggy yesterday, very little visibility. but was increasing today and they were expecting better, much better conditions from an a search perspective. >> 15 knot winds, in terms of -- it is -- it is not -- it is about average out there, right. >> how long would it take a typical coast guard vessel from the u.s. or from newfoundland to get on site if they're running at maximum speed? >> that depends on the cutter itself or the ship itself because all that different speeds. >> an average, so we have a feel for how long it would take to get there? >> depending where they're coming from, it could be a matter of, you know, two days,

up to four to five days, depends where they would be deploying from. >> newfoundland, for example -- >> i don't know. we don't have ships over there. i don't have an answer to that. we're trying to find out more information on the canadian vessels, what their capability speeds are. i don't have an answer right now. >> -- a piece of equipment that is capable of going down to the "titanic." >> the coast guard, no. this type of salvage operation and our expertise as an organization -- >> in terms of private companies? >> that's all part of the conversation to find out what capabilities are out there. and explore all avenues. >> so you're looking at that now? >> about releasing videos and photos and things like that from the operations, is there a reason you haven't from this operation? >> we haven't received any yet at this point. >> you don't expect any? >> we do expect to get some. we do have some graphics that we're trying to send out this afternoon. as well as we reached out to the aircraft crews to get footage

from them. i know with the rovs on scene today, there hasn't been any before, so we're requesting to see what we can get to make that available to you all. [ inaudible ] >> right now there are no sates on scene -- correct? >> i don't know. i don't have an answer on that. coast guard assets itself, no, we don't have any coast guard cutters on scene. the research vessels, i just don't know what the capabilities are. >> do you think it is unrealistic -- [ inaudible ] >> that's we have both types of assets. we don't want to exhaust one possibility in place of another.

we don't want to rule out that it is on the surface. and the way the crews train, they have given everything they have to it, and if it is on the surface, we're fairly certain we would be able to -- [ inaudible ] >> it is impossible to say. >> can i ask you, i know this may be challenging, but i'm trying to get a sense of how far away the nearest naval asset would be that has that lift capability, salvage capability? is it coming from north carolina, from florida, from boston? can you give us any idea how far away it might be? >> i don't have an answer to that, yeah. [ inaudible ] >> the researchvessel. >> the titan. >> communicating with them? it doesn't have the technology

on board. >> they're part of the unified command. we're all making decisions together. >> do they have any asset that -- >> i don't know. but if they do, it is definitely being discussed as far as their capabilities. [ inaudible ] >> it sounds like the nearest vessel -- it is not clear how long it will take to get a vessel here. >> that's the biggest part of the challenge of all of this, is trying to understand how the capabilities are working together, how they would do it, technical aspect of that. >> so if you're a family member -- [ inaudible ] >> i think it was clearly stated.

>> can we ask, can you describe, you know, the crush depth here, we're talking 400 times what we all experience at sea level. what can that do to a vessel? >> i can't speak to the scientific side of that. again, this is more or less trying to get some background information for you guys on there. i don't have any of that information. >> can you tell us about what -- [ inaudible ] submersible -- [ inaudible ] >> that would be a great question that we could try to get answers for you with that subject matter expert discussion that we talked about. it would be much more important and realistic for somebody within that community that would be able to answer that question a lot clearer than anything i would be able to. >> when might you provide the next -- >> so we have a press release

that is going to be out shortly with the graphics we talked about, probably similar information to what was passed today. if any new information comes up, we'll update that. but i think ideally we're putting out press releases daily and would look at probably doing another briefing tomorrow. >> one last -- could you reiterate for us how big of an urgency is this for the coast guard, how big of a priority? do you prioriize these things? priority red, one, two, three, how big of a priority is this? >> this operation is our top priority right now. within the district. we have every available asset that we can, that is two this that we can dedicate to it on this. that's not why we're spending so much time and energy trying to coordinate really this enormous response effort to really

understand the scale of how far away this truly is. and in the context of the types of assets that we can get out there over something that is that enormous, something larger than the state of connecticut, and in the perspective of what is available to be able to search in those kind of conditions so far off shore, understanding what 900 miles looks like is an enormous amount of distance. [ inaudible ] is a deep sea rescue realist and what would it look like? >> i don't know what it would look like. that's part of the conversation we're looking at, doing everything they can to find out the options that are available. >> family members -- is there a manifest or a log? >> there is. so not until the communications have been completed through that

process can we release names. i know some have gotten out, but not through us. >> okay. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. i appreciate your time today. we'll send out an update when the next advisory will be out for you guys. >> are there any briefings happening at the same time? >> not that i'm aware of. nothing we are setting up. i don't know if they are independent. i'm hoping they would reach out to us to let us know. >> if the canadians take over the on site command on the water, would then command move to st. john or remain here? the icc? >> i think more or less what he's talking about with the shipping out there, they can control the assets that are physically on site as far as where they're going. lest the operation itself is in command. so it would be in here. so resources to come up with all of those plans, come up with all of the search and rescue

operations side, that will likely always stay here. when we say on scene commander, they're the one on scene that can communicate with everyone to make sure we're deconflicting the space, we're covering the right areas. >> you collaborate every day? >> we do. this is especially challenging because we add in an additional area of distance and time and all the other elements. >> thank you very much. [ inaudible ] >> i think it was just -- what is likely -- >> u.s. coast guard officials in boston with an extraordinary press conference, detailing limited timeline just 40 hours of breathable oxygen left for five people on board that missing submersible, some very, very sobering facts, including the fact asked by our own tom costello if they're even able to

find out where it is, could they get it to the surface. there are experts, the world's best experts working on this problem, but they simply don't know where the submersible is. i want to bring in kristen dahlgren, who is in boston for us there, they're searching in the air, they're searching on the sea, they're searching under the sea. they already searched 670 square miles, which is roughly the size of connecticut. when he calls this a very complex problem, a very complex search, it almost seems like an understatement. >> reporter: right. and so much information, chris, in that press conference. but not a lot of good news in it. so right now there are two parts to this. the search operation and then hopefully the salvage operation. let's start with the search. this is a massive effort. they have a unified command working on this, collecting the

best minds in the world. we have the u.s. coast guard, the canadian coast guard, p-3s flying out scanning and looking to see if they see anything either on the surface of the water or at any depth with their radar. they're dropping buoys so they can listen for any noise of perhaps the crew tapping or any voices that they hear. this is a huge area, though. like you said, the size of connecticut. while we know the destination was the "titanic," have to think about ocean currents and where this vessel may have moved in the time since it was last heard from. just a massive effort going on now. they also talked about private interests that are getting involved now. a ship called deep energy has arrived on scene and has a robotic operated vehicle. rov. and that, a remote operated vehicle. that is searching with some cameras, that dive going on as we speak. as well as air flights going on and then the vessels rushing to

get there. the salvage, the question was, if you found it right now, would you be able to bring it up to the surface? and the answer to that was i don't know. they talked about how they have 40 to 41 hours of air believed to be left on board and getting more assets to the scene could take two to five days and so you do the math there, and it really is a very desperate situation that they're dealing with. they are still hopeful. they have vessels coming in from france now that will hopefully get there by 8:00 p.m. tomorrow night that has the capability to dive to that 13,000 feet. but then there are all the logistics of with that kind of pressure, that kind of depth, remote operated vehicles being able to move something back up to the surface, chris. >> the intensity of this life and death search really does take your breath away. they do say, of course, this is a top priority to get the equipment in they need, if they're fortunate enough to find a location. but we'll keep people on top of

it as i know you will. you are near that command and control center of the u.s. coast guard. kristen dahlgren, thank you for that. we have other massive news stories coming up right after the break. the news that president biden's son hunter has reached a deal with federal prosecutors to avoid a trial and jail time. we're also learning about donald trump's court date, now set by the judge for less than eight weeks from now. those stories shaping the political world are next. g the politicawol rld are next i'm saving with liberty mutual, mom. they customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. you could save $700 dollars just by switching. ooooh, let me put a reminder on my phone. on the top of the pile! oh. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ wayfair has nice prices

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some major breaking news this morning that president biden's son hunter has reached a deal with federal prosecutors are to avoid a trial and jail time by pleading guilty to two misdemeanors. the reaction from republicans as fierce as expected. oversight committee chairman james comer calling it a slap on the race. marcia blackburn saying it is a sweetheart deal. all of that echoed by house speaker kevin mccarthy when he spoke a couple of hours ago. >> my first reaction is that it continues to show the two-tiered system in america. if you were the president's leading political opponent, the doj tries to literally put you in jail and give you prison time, if you are the president's son, you get a sweetheart deal. >> and trump himself posted a message comparing biden's plea deal to a traffic ticket, and

insisting it is proof our system is broken. he didn't mention the fact that the u.s. attorney who negotiated that deal, david wise, is one he appointed. i want to bring in nbc's ryan reilly, who has been following this for us. kayla tausche is covering the white house. ryan, bring us up to speed, what more do we know about this deal? >> that's right. so two misdemeanor charges and then the separate gun charge in this diversion program. i should note that that gun charge, which make unlawle it to be an addict in possession or unlawful user of a substance in possession of a weapon is rarely used and usually used as a catch-all charge when there is more serious conduct at issue there. last week it was used against an individual who owned a gun that a 6-year-old used to shoot a teacher. there is other cases where it is a white supremacist and there is not a charge that necessarily

fits the conduct. so that's the charge they bring for and against. not something commonly deployed and is facing real legal challenges. in regard to the republican criticism, there is not an apples to apples comparison here. this is a completely different situation where you have an individual who is willing to admit they are fallible, they made a mistake, and that they want to settle this case and reach a plea deal. that's not the situation that we have with donald trump, who is fighting this tooth and nail and continues to insist he did absolutely nothing wrong and this was all above board, his conduct in relation to the mar-a-lago documents. >> so, related to that, paul, let me play more of what speaker mccarthy had to say, again, this happened a few hours ago. >> do you think it is equal and fair that a political opponent is going to be given jail time, but a presidential son, and if you compare this to other

individuals in america that have these same accusations against them, same crimes that they have been guilty of, that they will propose to have ten years at another time period. >> is he right about that or is hunter biden's deal more consistent with other similar cases? >> this is a decent deal for hunter biden, but not an unusual deal. almost no defendant will be sent to federal prison for first time low level tax offenses. pleading guilty means you swear under oath you committed a crime. you accepted responsibility for the harm you caused and makes you eligible for a reduction in your sentence. here, hunter biden paid back all of his taxes, he sought treatment for the addiction he says caused him to commit these crimes, so this doesn't look like a sweetheart deal. as you noted, the prosecutor who authorized the agreement was

appointed by donald trump. and the plea gargan also has to be approved by a federal judge. the judge will have the power to overturn it as she thinks it is unfair. >> so biden's attorney says his understanding is now this is resolved, they made a deal. it is over with. if you read the actual sentence -- the statement, from the delaware u.s. attorney, david wise, he says the investigation is ongoing. why that seeming discrepancy? >> if that's for me, chris, i don't think hunter biden's lawyers would have agreed to this deal without some kind of assurance that the five-year investigation is done. look, the gop has been flinging mud at hunter biden for years. and nothing substantial has stuck. one example is the effort they made to tie hunter and president biden to some kind of bribery scheme. the fbi said for those allegations were not credible and closed the investigation.

but it is only as a result of investigating all the mud that didn't stick that mr. biden's tax and gun issues were uncovered, and in many cases there wouldn't be a criminal prosecution, since hunter biden paid back everything he owed. chris, the additional scrutiny from prosecutors that biden has received is a big reason why these charges were brought. >> what has been the reaction from the white house? >> it has been muted at best, chris. the white house releasing this very brief statement saying the president and the first lady love their son and support him as he continues to rebuild his life. we will have no further comment. essentially, doubling down on their position for the last several years, where the white house has maintained that this is a personal and private matter for the president's son, that is essentially parallel to the presidency, but has no interference with the presidency. it is unclear how long that position is going to be able to

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your client is offering his own public defense on television. >> why not just hand them over then? >> i had boxes, i wanted to go through the boxes and get all my personal things out. i don't want to hand that over. and i was very busy. as you've seen. >> but according to the indictment, you tell this aide to move to other locate slocatir telling your lawyers you had fully complied with the subpoena when you hadn't. >> i have to take all my things out. these boxes were interspersed with all sorts of things, golf shirts, clothing, pants, shoes, there were many things. i would say -- much -- not that i know of, but not that i know of. but everything was declassified. >> not true.

i want to bring in nbc's vaughn hillyard who joins kasich of oh presidential candidate and msnbc political analyst. and paul butler is back with me. so, paul, even if this date doesn't stick and most people think it won't, is judge cannon sending a message, no foot dragging, i'm going to keep this thing moving? >> totally, chris. so, no way is this trial happening in august. the defense attorneys can't even look at the key evidence until they get their security clearances and that probably won't happen before the end of july. then extensive motions. so, you have it right, setting this super early, but unrealistic trial date is probably signaling by judge cannon, she at this point will not tolerate delay. he is sent that same signal last week with her order that trump's defense attorneys expedite their

security clearances. so, chris, this won't relieve the substantial concerns that prosecutors have to have about this judge. but so far she seems to be on board with jack smith's commitment to a speedy trial. >> governor, even if this trial gets delayed, there is now as we just heard this heightened possibility this is going to be happening sooner rather than later, maybe before or during the 9j■primaries. so, you know, i think there is a question a lot of people's minds as to how is this going to wound him, is this going to take him out? if you look at the press, you study it, it looks as though, you know, he is sort of toast. when you talk to people, pollsters, people who do focus groups, people who are on the ground inside the political organizations, right now he's

still doing fine. he's still holding up. there are people still saying i don't really see it. i don't think this is fair. and all these other things. so, but i think, you know, if you're a political person, you think maybe i'll run for president, you start to seriously say, you know, he may not be a factor at the end of the day. we don't know that yet. but it is a possibility and i think that's why there is so many more beginning to look at it. >> so, vaughn, have we gotten any reaction? >> there is a reality that right now he has two lawyers, todd blanche and chris kise. >> that's it? >> still, that's it. >> he said he was going to hire a firm. >> right. and filing with the judge, they suggested there could be forthcoming attorneys, but as paul laid out, the difficulty here is the security clearances. we're just over a month away from when the pretrial motions

must be filed with the judge, but the issue is that these attorneys haven't even received the discovery, the evidence to defend their client because the security clearance must be granted by the department of justice, and that is going to take at least a couple week process here. at that point, then the evidence can then be turned over to the defense counsel that has been received by the prosecution and until that happens, it is hard to see how a trial could go forward. >> so, i mean, paul, to that point, could you if you're donald trump's team say, look, judge, we can't get these pretrial motions together, we're still in the process of putting together a legal team, and in terms of a fair trial, we need an opportunity to get everybody up to speed or is it within the purview of the judge to say, you knew this was coming, it is not my problem that you haven't gotten a legal team together yet. >> no, the judge would have to

tolerate some delay. trump has a right to a speedy trial. but he's allowed to wave that right as he almost certainly will. mainly for his political agenda. he appears to want the trial to happen after the election. but just legally speaking, chris, it would be super quick for a trial to happen just a few months after the indictment. a year, two years, even three years isn't unusual. the judge has to respect trump's right to due process, including giving his lawyers a fair opportunity to review the 31 documents that are at risk, that are part of the indictment. and all of the other evidence. that's going to take a while. >> but, could she about this trial as it unfolds in realtime. looks like it's going to unfold faster than we thought. politico has a really interesting article that says republicans are discovering the only way they can make a splash is by responding to trump but

does it help you run a campaign? >> i don't think so. again, he just takes all the oxygen so anybody else that has a message, they're having a difficult time trying to get it out. part of that responsibility actually lies with the media but that's kind of where we are. chris, there's another point here that i think we need to think about. we keep hearing people say that we have a two tiered justice system. we have the judge who trump appointed, who appears at this point to be very fair and even pretty tough. that's what we see. the u.s. attorney who was appointed by trump in the hunter biden case, they've come up with a decision that you know, that republicans are going to criticize. the point of the matter is because you get appointed whether you're a judge, u.s. attorney, or whatever, that doesn't mean that people can guess how you're going to do. i mean, i had an opportunity to appoint judges. i appointed judges who i thought were going to do the right job.

i knew they were going to tend to be conservative. but this whole business in america today, it's a two level, two tiered justice system, if that's where we're going to go, i mean, we start destroying and undermining judiciary. that's not healthy in a democracy and frankly, i reject it. we've got to be careful that we throw terms like that around when we talk about the ability of people to get a fair trial, and honest decision. >> can we say, governor, cannon had some of our previous rulings questioned and they just shut her down in a really firm way. it's not just any single judge. the judicial system in the united states has layers to at least try to insure justice, right? >> yeah. of course. you have your trial. you have your appeals court. you have a whole system but this

whole story line that you know, everybody is on the take or everybody is biased or everybody's playing politics. i think it's baloney. are there some that do that? absolutely. by and large, the justice system in this country is fair. i know a lot of judges. i appointed judges. i never thought they were doing things that were really frankly beyond reproach. these were not people that were going to go make a decision out of some political reason. sometimes they have different philosophies, points of view. but let's just stop trying to attack and to tarnish the united states justice system. it works pretty darn well. >> we're pretty much out of time, vaughn, but are you surprised you have not heard back from anybody in trump world? they're not people who usually stay quiet, but as we've said repeatedly, this is a different situation for the former president. >> right. say what you want about joe biden, hunter biden. the biden family never suggested

the investigation should end or the white house ever suggested it should be tossed. >> and he said i did something wrong and i'm going to pay a price for it. >> what is donald trump doing? talking to fox, to right wing outlets and making the case that not only should his case be tossed but if he gets back in the white house, he's going to make sure there's political retribution and target this current department of justice. right now, there is no clear path forward for donald trump to take the stand in these criminal trials here. but what he is doing is providing his own testimony for all the american public to hear in a place that is outside of the trial room and that is why he doesn't even need his legal team to say much today because donald trump is saying it himself. >> a lot of americans like many of the i would say most of the juries in the trials that i have covered have a lot of common sense. vaughn hillyard, paul butler, and john kasich, thank you all

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would have about two or three years ago and my monthly mortgage payments were too much that i could hand l. >> so instead, she turned to this new community built specifically for renters. >> i don't have to worry about taxes on the home. if something breaks. it's the landlord's responsibility. >> large, open floor plans. >> an increasing share of the landlords are big builders as more americans decide to rent not only by necessity, but by choice. >> you've had a societal shift to people wanting to rent because they want a maintenance free lifestyle or want the ability to move to a city and just gives the keys back after the lease. >> builders put up 68,000 new single family rental homes last year. a 31% increase over to year before. >> i think it's at the early stages of being a very, very big business just like the apartment business is.

>> burns counted 708 build to rent communities coming soon across the u.s. entire communities of single family homes built specifically for rent. >> the people who want a home but have been priced out are saying i want to home, i'm going to rent for a while so it's created more demand. >> and renters are demanding more of the amenities like pools, fitness centers, dog parks, of course, onsite maintenance and in this community, bigger backyards. but it comes at a price. the arch rent is about $2200 a month and they're rising. >> that's something i do need to think about because trying to save for a home while paying high rent, it's hard. >> for now, she's enjoying the new home, even if it's not her new home. for nbc news, diana oleic, south carolina. >> we have a lot to cover in our second hour.