an olympic games then the games get going and it's forgotten about. still a year to go but for president macron, it's going to be a worry and he's going to look to these paris games to lift his presidency as it comes towards its final year. so he will be hoping, you imagine not -- it's led by the french police, that this goes away in the next 12 months. >> or the joy of victory overshadows it. i look forward to seeing you at many other olympics. that's going to do it for us. join us every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 eastern here on msnbc. our coverage continues with katy tur reports right now. with katy tur reports right now. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. the investigation into the president's son appears to be at

is end. this morning in court filings, we learned the trump appointed attorney reached a plea agreement where he'll plead golt to two counts of failing to pay his taxes on time. he also faces a gun possession charge which is expected to be dismissed. his lawyer joins me for his first tv interview. this investigation was in the works for five years across two administrations. first brought by the doj under president trump in 2019 then continued with the same trump appointed prosecutor, david weiss, under president biden. according to reporting from nbc news, it was thorough across multiple federal agencies and field offices. it began broadly looking at money laundering and fair violations. neither of which were charged. the lengthy time period is part of what the gop is seizing on today. claiming the investigation was

slow walked or compromised. and arguing this quote slap on to wrist as they call it shows that former president trump is being politically persecuted. >> you think it's equally fair that a political opponent is going to be given jail time but a presidential son, if you compare this to other individuals in america that have these same accusations, same crimes they have been guilty of, that they would propose to have ten years? >> we're going to get mr. clark's reaction to speaker mccarthy and ask if he has any idea to what republicans on the hill could be referring to when they claim there's proof that president biden and his son were in on corrupt deals together and whether the younger biden has any plans to file litigation in the future. as for the president's reaction to the plea deal, the white house isn't saying more than this. quote, the president and first lady love their son and support

him as he continues to rebuild his life. we will have no further comment. joining me now, attorney for hunter biden, chris clark. i gave you a head start on some of those questions. when is he going to make his plea? >> we don't know. the documents got filed today and we're waiting to hear from the court on scheduling for proceeding. i'm sure everybody will be interested when that happened. >> do you have an idea of the conditions? is he going to be on probation? >> it's up to the court. my expectation would be released without conditions. what the ultimate disposition of the case is up to the judge. >> prosecutors are not asking for jail time. are you concerned the judge here might freelance? >> i think there are documents that haven't been publicly released yet. i think people have reported what the prosecutors are asking

for. we have to wait until the court proceeding happens to know. but i think the judge is going to do what's fair and what's is my client gets on with his life. >> i want to get to what's fair and what the gop is saying but i'm hoping you can bring us into the room when you reach this plea agreement with prosecutors. did you sense they were happy to be done with it? frustration? what can you tell us about the negotiation to get to this point? >> i don't think it's appropriate to talk about my conversations with my adversaries. what i can tell you is you know they were very diligent, very dogged. it took five years and it was five years of work they put in. and even throughout working out the ultimate resolution, i think they were always driving for what they thought was fair. >> five years. reports at times this was a counterintelligence investigation.

an investigation to fair violations, which is how you register to work with a foreign government. money laundering. what they came up with is two misdemeanor tax counts. zpl that's the resolution we have is that mr. biden's going to take responsibility for failing to timely pay his taxes for those two years and there's goin to be a diversion with regard to this ten-day period. >> you heard speaker mccarthy saying this is proof that there are two versions of justice and that this is a slap on the wrist and president biden is being politically persecuted. what's your response? >> again, this was a five year diligent investigation pursued by professional prosecutors some of whom have been career prosecutors. one of whom at least was appointed by president trump. no one has ever said they're not confident, good, or diligent.

i haven't heard anyone say that. it would be false to say that and this was the resolution that was come to after five years. >> mccarthy said if you look at other cases that are similar, there are stricter consequences than what hunter biden is facing. is this a sweetheart deal? >> i've heard him say a lot of stuff i don't agree with. there was no basis for what he said. he's not right. >> do you think biden was treated fairly? >> that's a really complicated question. this is a resolution that we took under all the circumstances. >> why is it so complicated? >> i think that you know, mr. biden had a period in his life that was troubled. where you know, it's very clear he didn't timely pay the taxes he was supposed to pay at the time. he subsequently has paid them. but he didn't timely pay them. i think it's a very hard question whether i would have

been prosecuted for that or not. i could have been but it's hard question and one i can't answer. >>. >> do you think because his name is hunter biden, because he's been the focus of so much of the republican line of attack against the current president that maybe this investigation was bigger and broader and more intensive than it would have been if this was chris clark facing these allegations? >> i spent many years interfacing with the prosecutors who brought this investigation. i think they really tried to be fair. i think that they tried to be thorough. tried too look into everything possible and i think they tried to be fair. >> how does hunter biden feel? >> i think hunter feels happy to move on with his life and recovery and keep doing -- the one thing nobody talks about is how long hunter has been sober. moving forward with his life. being a good person. no one talks about that. that's what he's going to continue to do. >> he didn't get into any legal trouble recording his interactions with ukraine or

china. do you think he regrets though pursuing that while his dad was vice president? >> i have no idea. it's not something i can speak about but he didn't do anything that has been the source of any charges after a five-year investigation. >> is this the end of it? >> my understanding is that we're done. >> the statement from the president's office from weiss's office said the investigation is ongoing. this is a statement announcing that criminal charges have been filed. it's not the statement about the plea agreement. are you led to believe that that investigation is ongoing will be dropped once this plea deal is made official? >> i'm not led to believe anything. that's mr. weiss' statement. i think there's going to be a court proceeding. i think there are going to be agreements that are going to come out about it and i think everyone will see what happens once that occurs. >> would you make a deal though if you thought there were more charges coming? >> no, i wouldn't. >> that says a lot. let me ask you about future

plans for hunter biden. does he plan on filing his own litigation? maybe defamation claims or the illegal dissemination of personal information? >> i can't speak to sort of like future legal plans. obviously whatever his plans are, if i know them, are privileged. there are people who have treated him very poorly and i know he struggle nd a lot of ways and i understand he's the son of the president of the united states but all of us have family members that have struggled with addiction and other issues and i know it's hard to have empathy for that, but a lot of people showed no empathy. that's not a legal issue. it's you wish the world would be different. >> is there a case for defamation? dissemination? >> we just finished a five-year investigation. it's not a legal issue i'm ready

to take on today. >> do you have any idea if his laptop had anything to do with this investigation? >> i don't. >> were you asked about it? >> i can't recall, to be honest with you. but there's nothing about the situation that's being filed that has a thing to do with the laptop. >> why not? >> i don't know. you'd have to ask the prosecutors. >> the republicans will say the laptop has tons of proof there was, that hunter biden participated in corruption. that there's financial proof. that president biden and hunter biden were connected in the gains that were made overseas by hunter biden. have you ever seen any proof of that? >> no. it's, again, i've seen people wave various e-mails around. i've never seen it. obviously whatever that stuff has been available to everyone in the united states for many years. sadly, i don't know how you'd feel if everyone was disseminated the contents of

your stolen phone. i wouldn't be happy about it. >> i would sue. >> maybe you would. i don't know. that would be your choice. >> yeah. >> i haven't seen anybody make a actual persuasive case that something was done and you asked whether or not the subject of the laptop was part of the investigation. it's been out there. and you know, we don't have any proof of it that it was any kind of violation. >> thank you very much for joining us today. we appreciate it. and do please let us know when this plea agreement will be made official. >> thanks. coming up, is it really over? a report at the doj tells us what he knows and is this as the republicans say, a sweetheart deal? plus, judge cannon has scheduled the trial of donald trump. what not to expect about the court date. and a small tourist immersible disappears around the

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let me start with one of the questions i left off with mr. clark a moment ago. the disconnect between what the prosecutors office says about the investigation is ongoing and what he believes is that the investigation is closed. what mr. clark believes. what can you tell us? >> so look, katy, everything we're hearing from our law enforcement sources, that includes tom winter and sarah fit patrick and people i've talked to suggest that it is closed with respect to hunter biden. all of these issues you discussed around his business dealings with ukrainian and chinese entities, the millions

paid to him in addition to his avoidance of taxes. it was looked at closely. our understanding is the fbi was done with its investigation more than a year ago. that said, the u.s. attorney is flatly saying investigation remains ongoing. there's a couple of possibilities. one is that it's a pro forma statement they'll stop making once biden pleads guilty. there are other individuals involved along the way they are still looking at. my inquiries say about the fate of david weiss, there's no reason to believe that he's leaving his post anytime soon so it does agree that some aspect of this is ongoing. >> it was telling mr. clark said he would not make a deal for himself at least if he believed the investigation was still ongoing. let me ask you about the timeline expected here.

he didn't give me a date for when he's expected to make that plea deal but you're standing outside the courthouse. do you have a better sense of when this might happen? >> not really. biden has another custody, has a custody battle going on in arkansas where he's required to make court appearances. it's going to happen in the coming days and weeks. he'll have to go into this courthouse and enter the plea and it will be up to the judge as to whether he agrees with the terms of this plea agreement which include no jail time. in terms of it's a great interview with the lawyer about the essential fairness of this case and what i would say about that is we don't know the facts so it's really hard to though whether this was fair. whether they acted in a different way because it was hunter biden. for example, nbc news reported that there was a felony tax evasion charge under consideration involving the improper use of a business.

ultimately, that charge is not fraud. so does that and other conduct we don't know about but the prosecutors know about, did that influence their decision to press hard on these misdemeanor charges that ordinarily aren't brought when people pay the taxes back and you know they can settle things. it's hard to know if a plea agreement is fair if you don't have the full picture. >> thank you very much. >> ahead, quote, i was very busy. what donald trump is now saying about why he did not comply with the subpoena for documents and what chris christie, his 2024 rival, is saying about that this morning. plus, the whole thing, the whole thing, this entire thing is run by a video game controller. abandoned pipes are used as ball las. there's no radio. no underwater gps.

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the united states versus donald trump is scheduled to go on trial on august 14th. just two months from now. that is the date judge cannon has tentatively scheduled the classified documents case but if it it will actually start on august 14th is deeply unlikely. since the evidence is both classified and vol um. the magistrate judge issued a protective order limiting trump's own access to the evidence. as for the former president, his explanation as to why he kept the documents has shifted again. last night on fox, he said he was too busy. >> before i send boxes over, i

have to take all my things out. they were interspersed with all sorts of things. golf shirts, clothing, pants, shoes. >> this morning on cbs, donald trump's 2024 presidential rival, chris christie, called that defense ludicrous. >> last night he said the reason he didn't give the documents back was because he's so very busy and didn't have time to respond to a grand jury subpoena because he needed to get his golf shirts and pants out of the box. i mean, does anybody in america believe this? >> apparently so. >> i think the problem for him over time is that people are just not going buy it and when you think about how many days of golf he's played since he's left office, maybe he could skipped a couple of rounds of golf and gone through the boxes. >> joining me now is john sale. he served as an assistant special prosecutor on the watergate team. he turned down the opportunity

to join donald trump's defense team last year. i want to get your take on the way christie parsed that defense. what do you think of it? >> i agree with governor christie. the defense is ludicrous. donald trump's running for president so he has a right to say whatever he wants and i just hope he doesn't say inflammatory things that could promote violence. kari lake said there's 75 million people standing between you and me and the president. many of them are nra card carrying members. representative biggs said it's eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. even my hero, curt schilling, baseball guy. said something about pulling the trigger. so i'm afraid of a lone wolf like when the fbi office in cincinnati was shot at. can i say something quickly because it's relevant about hunter biden.

it is and gradually in the next day or two, it is a sweetheart deal and it's going to play right into donald trump's hands. you cannot, once your caught, settle something civilly with the irs. you can only potentially settle it, you have to apply for a program, if you want to come forward before they've caught you. imagine if you could not pay your tax, not file and on fess up once you're caught. so it's not settled civilly. misdemeanors and pretrial diversion on a felony is a rare thing in federal court. so my hat's off to his attorney. i wish him well. but it's going to play right into donald trump's hand. i don't think doj is weaponized. i think that it's a very serious case decided on the law and facts. i'd love it to be decided in a courtroom where he's avoided the

presumption of innocence. and anyway, the trial date, katy, not only is it not realistic, it's routine. here's the way it works in this district. there's a statutory speedy trial act. so every case, 100% of the cases are set for trial within 70 days. it's virtually never a realistic date. before that date, the defendant either waives speedy trial or the judge will find what's called excludable time. in this case, of course there's plenty of time for the government and public and for mr. trump to get a fair trial. >> let me ask you about the jury pool where the trial is currently scheduled to take place.

at a courthouse in fort pierce, florida. in st. lucie county which trump won by almost 90,000 votes in 2020. do you think this jury is going to be biased one way or the other or will it be a fair jury? >> well, it's presumptively going to be there. judge cannon sits in fort pierce. the indictment alleges palm beach county which might suggest west palm beach but it's going to be a matter of collaboration between judge cannon and the law enforcement agencies to see whether fort pierce will be a safe venue for all concerned but the answer to your question is that's the most favorable demographic for mr. trump but of course, the demographic is only one factor. what matters is those 12 people in the jury box and that's where jury selection comes into play and if you can get 12 fair

jurors, wouldn't matter what county it's in. >> so your prediction right now on when this trial is going to take place after all the motions and declassifying or dealing with the classified documents, what is your prediction of when this will finally see the inside of a courtroom? >> my prediction is no better than anyone else's, but i think it's going to be tried sometime in the fall and i think that's very optimistic. >> the most i've heard yet. thank you so much. we're going to have you on soon to talk about this more. >> thanks for having me. >> appreciate you coming on. joining me now is michael steel. there's a political as pegt to this story because cnn has just released a new poll that is starting to show for the first time some corroding of donald trump's support. we'll put it up on the screen for you. you can see that donald trump leads his closest rival. mr. desantis, but 21 points. that's down from his 27-point lead in may. there's also a drop in his

favorability down from may. this is a surprise because in the immediate aftermath of the indictment, there didn't seem to be any erosion at all. do you think this is a blip or are you starting to see the winds of change blowing? >> there might be the winds of change. i wouldn't bank too much on it though because i think you're still looking at a hard 40% that the 11, 12, 13, 14 republican candidates running against donald trump will have to eke into it. so it doesn't mean that those numbers reflect people actually moving off from trump. they may be moving into a neutral position. they want to see what else comes out. don't understand exactly who those voters are necessarily, who will move from 47 to 45 or 51 to 47. percentage points. so i think there's a lot has happened in the last two weeks.

the numbers shot up to support saying hey, we support trump. they're coming after our guy. settled back a little bit. now we had dropped from you know, 51% to 35%, now you want to say you're seeing a bigger movement among that hardened base of trump. i think what we're seeing are those soft republicans, those who are soft on trump kind of settle off of him now that they're a little bit past the indictment. >> let's talk about chris christie and the way he's going after donald trump. i thought it was surprising the simple way in which he picked apart donald trump's defense on cbs. it was just you know, him stating what donald trump said. he had to go through the boxes to get out his shirts and his golf shoes et cetera and that's why he was too busy. i haven't heard in years a republican, especially a republican running for office, go after donald trump like that. just point out in, say they're

pointing out the absurdity of his own words. >> yeah. chris was a damn good prosecutor so we start with that. he knows how to make the case about a defendant and frame it in a very prosecutorial way. he has the advantage of having been a governor. having been someone who a lot of these same republicans touted as a hard charging kind of gop player before trump. trump came and sort of swept that narrative away from him but you will see him gain that ground back. now the question becomes how does that translate for voters beyond that hardened base, but do they take that charge from trump from christie and go, okay, i'm with you. but i still have this problem with the fact that you are one

of the first ones to endorse him in that primary. you were out there defending him. so i'm, help me get over the hump of why now. >> how does that work in his favor of when he's trying to talk to republicans who love donald trump? >> does that work in his favor? >> yeah, by saying listen, i was there. i was there, i was by his side. i was on his team for years. >> yeah. no it doesn't work in his favor because those folks, you don't peel off of trump. you don't get the pass of well, i was with him before i was against him. they're not buying that. that 35, 40% is not buying that. we have too many examples of that. remember, remember these are the same people who wanted to hang trump's vice president. so, i don't think this kind of rhetoric now is going to give them warm fuzzies about chris christie. and if i could just real quick

address the point that was raised in the last segment about this idea of this hunter biden thing. >> please do. >> getting a sweetheart deal. it doesn't matter what the prosecution came back. what deal was negotiated here short of absolute jail time or being put under the jail. that doesn't matter for the trump electorate nor does it matter for trump. he still would be claiming this was a better deal even if hunter biden went to jail. >> michael, thank you very much. appreciate your time. i love how everybody's interjecting their own thoughts about our lead story today. it's working for me. ahead, the fbi resisted investigating donald trump's role in the january 6th attack on the capitol for more than a year. and what finally got leadership to act. we've got an inside report from "the washington post." first though, quote, no results. the coast guard just gave a

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we have not seen it. the united states coast guard says there has been no sign of the tourist submersible. five people are on board and officials estimate they only

have about 40 hours of oxygen left. the best guess for what it is since gps doesn't work in the deep sea is somebody 900 nautical miles off cape cod near where the titanic sank. that is their best guess. the only way the sub communicates and navigates is through short texts the research vessel and that only works when the boat is directly over the submarine. it is truly like finding a needle in a hay stack. this is only 21 feet long and as they told cbs news, it was constructed with parts you could find on amazon. >> you can use these off the shelf components. >> i got these from camper world. we run the whole thing with this game controller. >> come on! >> it seems like this submersible has some elements of

mcgyver. you're putting construction pipes as ball is. >> i don't know if i'd use that description but there's certain things you would want to use button down. everything else can fail. your thrusters can go. your lights can go. you're still going to be safe. >> they have confirmed the man you saw there is also on board among those missing right now. joining me now from boston, kristen dahlgren. thank you very much. so the oceangate ceo, he's believed to be on board along with four others. what is the coast guard saying about trying to find this thing? >> right. you talked about some of the things they're dealing against. this is just a massive area. it's not close to anything. at least 400 miles from land. that's where many of the vessels are coming from.

13,000 feet below the ocean surface. not a lot of vessels can go to that depth. that's why they're using these. i read one thing, the president at that depth is like having the empire state building made of lead on top of you. a 100 story building made of lead. so massive forces on this. then the search has expanded because while we know it was with the titanic wreckage, we don't know what the ocean currents did. if it had steering at that point and where it may have gone from there. so the area a size bigger than connecticut is what they are searching right now. so the coast guard say they are not working alone on this. take a listen. >> while the u.s. coast guard has assumed the role of search and rescue mission coordinator, we do not have all the necessary equipment required in a search of this nature. the unified command brings that

expertise to maximize effort in solving this very complex problem. >> that problem now very desperate with about 38 to 39 hours of air left. >> thank you very much. joining us now, brian clark. he served on multiple submarines over his 25-year navy career including as chief engineer. that reminds me of mh 370 and the efforts that went into searching for it. the mapping of the sea floor off the coast of perth and malaysia in the indian ocean. this is a difficult thing to find a 21 foot vessel. looks it's smaller than a plane. in the middle of the deep sea. how hopeful are you? >> i'm not that hopeful.

i think the problem is that you've got a mini van sized object down in the debris field from the titanic in large part. there's a lot of other objects on the sea floor. there's a lot of things that could get entangled with. it's going to be very difficult to differentiate the submersible with the other objects around it that are metal and could be interritoried as the vessel. i think the only possible way they're going to find it quickly if it's got a pinger or some kind of sounder that will make noise and signify that's where the submersible is. >> rush told cbs there were multiple ways this could resurface, that it would automatically come up. from your knowledge of the way this was built as an engineer, what do you think could have possibly gone wrong? >> well, it would require multiple failures. the way they designed this, it has drop weights. if you just released the drop weights then the vessel will normally just float to the surface. it's positively buoyant.

so you would have to have some kind of entanglement that prevented those weights from moving way from the ship or some kind of fault in the mechanism. so you'd need multiple failures to get to the pointy the vehicle is. they lost communications, the ability to surface. they may have lost their ability to drive to the surface. >> is it out of the question that it did surface but just a far way off? >> it seems very unlikely. the platforms have good radars that are good at distinguishing between a wave and a man made object on a wave. these planes are designed really to do that. they're looking for small, man made objects in the water so they should be able to find it quickly if it's on the surface. >> thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it and i'm sure we'll talk to you as this story

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investigation into trump's involvement was not always a sure thing. exclusive new reporting from "the washington post" dives into what took doj more than a year to decide to look into this former president. joining me now, the writer of the piece. what is the deal with the resistance into looking into donald trump for so long? >> what my colleague and i found in our many, many, many weeks long investigation was that there was a lot of tension inside the department of justice about these decisions and there was a lot of anxiety on the part of the senior leadership of the department of justice about looking partisan. by looking and examining and scrutinizing the actions of donald trump and his allies, their effort to essentially steal the 2020 election. all of those different thoughts were viewed as almost like, almost like a tech tonic plate

you didn't want to touch. and the department of justice's attorney general, merrick garland, had made a commitment that he wanted to restore public faith in the impartiality and objectivity of this department. and so there was a view that let's just investigate the riot. we have plenty of criminal activity here at this terrible january 6th insurrection. let's follow those facts and if they lead to trump or trump's allies or his orbit then so be it but for now, we're going to focus on the riot. what happened was there was no way to follow the facts from the riot up to all of the schemes that donald trump and rudy that giuliani, steve bannon and others engaged in in an effort to try to pressure people to falsely claim that there was fraud in the election, to try to pressure mike pence to try to get the department of justice even to falsely claim it was

fraud in swing state sstates, a ultimately use fake electors to try to swing the election from bide on the trump in critical states that mattered a lot. >> you talk about many of the factors. was there a specific specific thing that they uncovered that said, hey, listen, we have no choice, we have got to investigate the former president? >> you know, that is such an important question, phoebe, the way you put it. what we are hearing from people, the interviews for this story, was that the real turning point came in the early fall of 2021. the doj squashed an allegation from ali alexander, who supported and promoted and

sponsored the rally, alex jones. that effort was killed. but by the late summer, early fall of 2021, the january 6th committee, that congressional committee, is really getting rolling and starting to uncover these stunning things. and as they do, journalists are also uncovering some really startling things. and that's when the department of justice finally tosses out this idea that they're going to follow this ladder up from the rioters to donald trump and starts proposing a completely separate investigation. now, the fbi resists opening that separate investigation, turns down the department of justice flat in november 2021, but finally, after a lot of news stories about coordination of fake electors, the effort by donald trump's right-hand man, rudy giuliani, to try to get specific states to submit fake

electoral vote counts and fake electors to again change their votes from bide on the trump in those states, after those reports come out in january, the deputy attorney general says, you know, we're look at this, our prosecutors are looking at this, don't worry. and then the department asks the fbi to please open an investigation with them and the fbi agrees. >> carol leonnig, deeply reported and detailed piece in "the washington post." thanks for coming on and laying out some of it for us. we appreciate it. >> thanks for the good questions, phoebe. up next, president biden is in san francisco talking about artificial intelligence. what he might also say about the other headline today. (vo) this is sadie, she's on verizon.

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president biden is in san francisco meeting with a group of experts on the future of ai and how to manage its risks. it is also his first appearance

since news broke this morning that his son will plead guilty to tax evasion charges. joining me from san francisco is nbc news white house correspondent mike memoli. that is a gorgeous place to be today. it looks gorgeous with that bridge in the background, the bay bridge. >> reporter: i'm getting used to this west coast thing. >> it's not bad out there. tell me about his appearance today and what we expect from the president regarding hunter biden but also regarding artificial intelligence. >> reporter: yeah. it's been interesting. obviously, we haven't heard from the president yet today about the news that broke this morning, and it's unlikely, at least according to white house officials, we'll hear from the president directly, although it will be an opportunity for the press pool in the round at this roundtable to ask him about it. the first lady, dr. jill biden, is also holding an event in the next few minutes, in fact. reporters will certainly try to get her reaction. up until now, all we've heard from them is in the form of a statement from a white house spokesperson saying that the president and the first lady

love their son and support him as he continues to work to rebuild his life. that's what we probably should expect going forward. it's obviously been news that the president hasn't commented on the former president's legal woes and they won't be discussing that. theis that's the plan for now. the roundtable is something of a counterpoint to what he did at the white house last month. a month ago, he sat down with some of the industry stakeholders, some of those trying to find commercial value in the artificial intelligence technology that has really burst onto the scene and to the top of the agenda in washington in a big way, in a hurry. today he'll be sitting with some academics, some experts, some advocates in the private sector who want to see some robust regulation of artificial intelligence, have concerns about its potential applications. this is all part of a process the white house announces will be run through the white house chief of staff's office, making some recommendations in the coming weeks they say about

potential actions to put some guardrails around this. they want to see potentially in the form of voluntary guidelines from the sector itself, but absent that, rules of the road govern, ai going forward. there are national security implications. i'm told one of the things the president is most interested in is the economic implications. the president has talked in the past quite a bit about automation and its impact on especially middle-class jobs that are being eliminated by technology, and this is a sector that is on steroids, top concern for the president. >> mike memoli, thank you very much. go to nopa, a greek restaurant, get some san francisco sourdough. >> reporter: news i can use. >> that does it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. this afternoon, a monumentally

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