them responding? >> they are suing them in court. we've seen people like the aclu come forward and say, look, these numbers are there because the biden administration is in violation of federal law and international law and the fact that people should be allowed to claim asylum no matter where they are in the process, no matter how they got here. so we will see later next month, how a judge in california decides to rule on this matter. >> that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart, you can always reach me on twitter and instagram , and you can catch highlights from today show online. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now, a big stumble by president biden a day after the secretary of state tried to repair relations with china. will the president offhand remarks derail the efforts to set up a meeting with president she? also fallout over hunter

biden's plea deal. was it a sweetheart deal as republicans claim or was it tougher than what the average person would have received for the same offenses as biden supporters say. >> and her reaction? >> i'm proud of my son. why would i let these people , 1 to 2% to be hitting me with questions all night? i don't think it's fair. >> and desperate hours for crews in the atlantic ocean as the five passengers inside that missing submersible approach the end of the supply and a new report uncovers major safety concerns around the company that will the craft. good day everyone.

diplomatic flareup is breaking out between the white house and china, one day after the secretary of state had a historic meeting with president xi . biden has created a furor in beijing over the off-the- cuff remark , it was at an off- camera political fundraiser in california. biden called president xi a dictator and suggested the chinese leader was embarrassed because he did not know in advance that the chinese spy balloon was flying over the u.s. last winter before it was shut down. blinkin suggested it's time to move on from the balloon incident. >> so with beijing the balloon incident is over, water under the bridge? >> we have, we did what we needed to do to protect their

interests. we said what we needed to said and made clear what we needed to make clear in terms of this not happening again, so, as long as it doesn't, that chapter should be closed. >> not exactly, because today angry reaction from beijing, the spokesman from china's ministry of foreign affairs saying the remarks are comical, extremely absurd and irresponsible. accusing the president of seriously violating diplomatic protocol and seriously infringing on china's political dignity. mike, president biden appears to have blown up a lot of the goodwill that secretary blinkin created. what is the white house saying because essentially blinkin is flying back from a meeting on ukraine there, they were hoping this would lead to the treasury secretary going to beijing, the commerce secretary going to beijing, that's what china once for its economy and of course a meeting with xi jinping and a

meeting when the meeting takes place in november on the west coast. >> that meeting is set to take place in san francisco, and as i've been reaching out to white house officials are morning, there's been no effort to either clarify what the president meant last night or even to walk back his comments about xi jinping being a dictator. for the better part of the last 5 to 6 years, former vice president and then vice president biden has been talking about china and russia together as autocracies which we are framing the competition of the 21st century. more concerning to the chinese likely provoking that harsh response that we are seeing is what else the president said, he referred to president xi as a dictator. referring to the balloon incident, that silly balloon

incident as the president called it, he was not fully briefed as the leader of the chinese government about that. that's what most concerning perhaps to the chinese. the reaction i think all of us are most interested in is what secretary blinkin thought when he learned of these remarks but as you are reporting, this is somebody who has worked for biden for more than 20 years going back to their days on the senate foreign relations committee together. and so it'll be interesting to see how we proceed. it's so notable the context in which he made these remarks. i was here in 2008 when biden newly minted as barack obama's running mate on the presidential ticket talked about before an audience of fundraisers about how barack obama if he were elected would be tested by an international crisis on the world straighten that created a crisis on the

campaign, in 2020, biden talked fondly about his interactions with segregationist senators. we've heard him go off script before but this one is certainly a bigger one on a diplomatic scale. >> let's pull back the curtain and explain how these fundraisers work because one person can go in to take notes but no cameras, no audio that we can play and they have a transcript of it, and he's speaking, it's the west coast, late at night, he's done for these plus the meeting on artificial intelligence earlier so he's had a busy schedule and this is how he, barack obama, hillary clinton's, sometimes they say these things, and they get themselves in trouble because they become more relaxed when you don't see a camera platform and you are surrounded by donors who want to hear the inside stuff and you kind of get to casual, right? >> that's right, they certainly want to get their money's worth, and you are right to set

up the context because the donors here the president often will have some private time with the host of the event before he makes these formal remarks rather unscripted as they are to the donors and sometimes the conversations they're having in private spill into what ends up coming out. i was struck, the vice president was also fundraising yesterday, we are seeing that in full force, with the fundraising deadlines and her comments in dallas were identical to the kinds of comments that she makes routinely but the president has a lot on his mind, he said to leave san francisco this hour to return to washington. tonight he has a private dinner with the indian prime minister ahead of a state dinner tomorrow, and the context in which biden made these comments came up as he was talking about the quad, it's about continuous

efforts to counterbalance chinese influence in the region, so china is very much on the presidents mind at this point. >> trying to find a silver lining to all of this, officials are saying well, at least the republicans can't keep criticizing us for being soft on china because we are calling them dictators. the difference is this is the timing on the heels of the visit. safe travels home, thank you very much. possible signs of life in the desperate search for a private submersible in the atlantic as major question surface about the projects safety, that's next when andrea mitchell reports his back in 60 seconds.

in the next hour, officials will have an update on a

massive search for the five missing people deep in the atlantic. a canadian aircraft did detect underwater noise yesterday. not clear what the noise was or where it was coming from but there are troubling new revelations from the new york times that ocean eight the company behind the submersible was warned about potentially catastrophic safety issues. a passenger last november also said the sub had not been regulated or certified, and an investor in oceangate described what it was like to be on board. >> by the time you hit the bottom the water down there is below what a standard freezing temperature is, so the water is 29, 30 degrees fahrenheit, so that will conduct right through the middle. it was cold and we were at the bottom.

>> reporter: we are hoping to learn more about this at the news conference, in less than an hour now. there were unconfirmed reports overnight that there was hanging and rhythmic every 30 minutes. nbc wasn't able to confirm that and our sources at the department of homeland security said it's safer to characterize this as a noise. they don't know what it is. there's no implication that it is man-made. keep in mind there's a lot of debris, metal down at the site so they're trying to zero in on that. they have remote operated vehicles, three new vessels that have made it out to the search site. one is equipped with a sonar,

they're hoping that can give them a clear picture of where it's coming from and the french ship, that's expected sometime around 8:00 p.m. tonight. and that has a submersible that can go to the depth of the titanic. so they are hopeful that as oxygen runs out, they have less than 24 hours of air believed to be on board the submersible, so they are hopeful that might give them some more clues. you know, guarded hope today, and we should learn more in the next hour or so, andrea. >> from what i heard, bear this out for me, it was supposed to be a day trip, they had food and water on the last mission, one day, they weren't overnighting. it's so cold and dark down there. if they've lost power, they can't see in or out, and it's very tight quarters? >> reporter: right, so five people on board, generally, these expeditions last about 10

hours, they are told to restrict their diet because while there is a small toilet on board, it's close quarters. so they don't bring a lot of food and water with them. it's very cold down there. they are sitting on the floor. when you look at how the configuration is, only one person can straighten their lights out at a time, and there's this risk. here's what stockton rushes the ceo who is also on board, here's what he had to say about the risk people take. >> at some point, safety is pure waste. if you want to be safe, don't get out of bed, don't do anything, at some point you're going to take some risk. >> reporter: you know, these are adventurers, they are explorers, and they also, you know, are used to these heart pounding experiences, so the hope is they are able to handle it and they are doing what they can as the search continues. >> thanks so much for being there. and president biden weighing in on the federal charges facing his son, hunter as donald trump joins the

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former president trump is piling onto a criticism from house republicans slamming hunter biden's plea agreement as a sweetheart deal. even though they excuse mr. trump's far more serious criminal indictment.

i know it's been widely criticized and to the point of the people in biden circle, that this is actually even tougher with a misdemeanor charge then it would be if his name were not biden. >> is getting criticized from both ends, if the people sympathetic to biden who say, he's being treated more harshly, who gets charged with misdemeanor tax evasion, you just normally pay back the money and that's the end of it. and republicans say this is a sweetheart deal. it does look like a very good deal in some senses but the problem is we don't know what else prosecutors know. we don't know what went into the negotiations. we know hunter biden's lawyers

seemed happy with it and we also know this is an independent investigation by trump appointed u.s. attorney and the attorney general was asked about that. take a listen to what he had to say. >> as i said from the moment of my appointment as attorney general, i leave this matter in the hands of the united states attorney, who was appointed by the previous president and assigned to this matter by the previous administration, that he would be given full authority to decide the matter as he decided was appropriate and that's what he's done. >> another thing that the u.s. attorney said was that the investigation remains ongoing but based on some reporting, we don't believe that means hunter biden faces any further charges but there may be other matters and other individuals under scrutiny, andrea. >> paul, let's talk about the legal aspects here before we get to the politics because the biden team is saying this is worse than he would have gotten

, it wouldn't have been a misdemeanor and the gun charge, he acknowledged being a drug addict, he filled out an affidavit for the gun permit saying that he was not addicted to drugs. so what say you? >> focus for a moment andrea, on the gun charge, because that's a highly unusual charge to ever see in federal court. my 16 years as an assistant u.s. attorney, i can't think of a single time that i charged a defendant with using drugs and possessing a weapon. it's an unusual charge but here, what the government has said is you don't have to plead guilty to the charge. we will put you on something called a pretrial diversion, if you should fall back into what is a terrible drug addiction that involved so many people including hunter biden, we can come back at you. we can hold this over your head like a sword of damocles and

processed pot prosecute you again. when you put all of this together, former trump u.s. attorney, ongoing investigation that may or may not address what's going on with hunter biden in the future. in this final aspect that i know for a fact the men and women who are career prosecutors in that office and in any office of the u.s. attorney's office, if they thought that this was not a just outcome, they would have raised their hands and told us so. the fact that they are moving forward with this that they are doing their job and we haven't heard anyone say as prosecutors have in the past when i thought they were being politically moved in the wrong direction, that this is a just outcome, that's one we can be a short that this is fair and appropriate. >> michael steele, the politics of this, are not going away. let me play a little bit of

mike turner, the republican first chair of the intelligence committee and what he had to say about this just yesterday. >> this was an excellent interview with my coley, brett bear. >> my first thought was, he should stop talking but the other aspect of this, we all know, the documents should not have been there. >> that of course was not on hunter but that was on the president himself. the fact that the republicans are beating up on biden when you've got them giving a pass, most of them, to donald trump. >> well, the reality of it is, from a political standpoint, hunter biden has served as a foil only supplanted by hillary clinton in terms of bringing out the ire of republicans to use as a diversion from the

larger stain that is donald trump, not just on the party but on the body politic at large, so the more we can scream but her email's, hunter biden's laptop, and now, the reality of oh my god, you know, he got the best deal because he's the president son, belies the fact that they still have the problem with donald trump has been indicted twice and now is facing some serious repercussions from jack smith's investigation, which is only part one, you still have the january 6th piece of this, you still have the georgia investigation that is ongoing, so, they are going to deflect. they are going to obfuscate, they're going to deny and they're going to point the finger at hunter biden for getting a fair deal,

notwithstanding the fact that donald trump is sitting there, looking pretty tarnished right now, and presents a real problem, legally as well as politically for the party. >> and phil, let's talk about, the first pull that we've seen since the indictment, it could be an outlier, it's a cnn poll, with all those qualifiers, you see that his favorability is down from 53% to 47% among republican voters. he has a lead still among the republicans already in the primary fight. but, it's softening. what do you think is going on there? >> it certainly is softening and i don't know what's in the minds of the people who were polled for the survey or whether it's an outlier, as you said but my assumption based on years of reporting is probably that voters are getting a little tired by all the scandal and baggage around trump that we've seen in the past, when

there have been flashpoints for trump with either legal problems or really big political issues, when he's been in the white house that his support tips and voters just feel like it's so exhausting, they want to turn the page from it. so you might be seeing a little bit of that within a subset of the republican electorate which would explain the softening there. but the take away from that pole, is that he remains the leading candidate to be the republican nomination for president despite being indicted on federal criminal charges, despite the indictment to new york, despite the ruling in the e. jean carroll trial, there's been this turmoil yet he still remains in the pole position in the republican race. >> paul, i don't know if you saw the excellent brett bear interview with the former president but as a non-lawyer,

they feel that his comments about the charges it's really going to hurt him, the comments, they are admissible they are admissible and every time former president trump opens his mouth, it's like an annuity in which president trump delivers a benefit to the prosecution team here. when former president trump says the reason he didn't return the documents, that were required to be returned by subpoena, because he wanted look through the boxes and make sure he didn't have his old shoes in them, that's just the kind of thing that prosecutors would salivate to have in their hands and to put before a jury. it's admissible, it'll be used by the prosecution and you can bet they have the record button pushed when that interview took place. thanks to you guys. one year later as we approach the anniversary of the dobbs decision on abortion, senate democrats are forcing

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this has become a big campaign issue, democrats on capitol hill want to force a vote to ensure access to contraception and birth control. and guarantee that women can travel across state lines for reproductive health care. >> women are forced to stay pregnant against their will, even when their health and lives are at risk. women are not going to settle for a country where men in state legislatures are taking away their fundamental freedom to decide what happens to their bodies. >> joining me now is democratic senator patty murray of washington state, the chair of the appropriations committee and who serves on the health committee as well and this is an enormous issue for the country, senator. how do you manage to force a

vote. you need 100 senators for unanimous consent to get it to the floor. >> we are going to the floor today to offer what's called the unanimous consent on a number of different bills to help protect the rights of women in this country. republicans have a choice. they can object and not allow us to proceed but we believe this is a fight we have to be visible on. a year ago, road was overturned and women's rights were ripped away from them and the chaos that has ensued, and the impact to women and their healthcare is overwhelming. we are going to stand up and fight for women and show everyone what is at stake and invite everyone to be a part of this critical battle in our country. >> talk to me about the substance of the bill or bills that you want to vote on today. is it a federal right to abortion or where are you going with it? >> what we have seen since roe was overturned is chaos in this country were a number of states are writing laws and impacting women in really restrictive

ways. for example, state legislatures, that are considering making it illegal for a woman to cross state lines to get access to healthcare. so when bill will be to protect women's right to travel in this country. we are seeing the right to contraception being attacked across this country and states threatening to take away the right for women to access contraception. we are offering an amendment that will allow women in this country the access to contraception. we are seeing women who are being tracked on apps on their phone for their personal information when they travel, to get access to abortion care and we are going to try and make it illegal for companies to use that data and that privacy to then go after women who have access to health care that she's chosen. these are a number of steps we are taking because this is happening in state legislatures, and we want everyone in this country, in the united states of america to

be able to access this care and not have these dangerous things applied to them. >> i want to play something the vice president said with joy read last night on msnbc about the 2024 election and abortion. >> it's so fundamentally is about freedom. i think there's a piece of this also that underlying it all is, hey, trust women. trust women to know what is in their best interest. what are we saying that a bunch of people in a state capital in washington, d.c. are in a better position to make a decision for her? >> should the president be talking more about this or is it okay to have the vice president carrying this around into the campaign? >> i think it's fantastic that the vice president is talking about the reality of the overturn of roe and the impact of voters, under choices and freedoms in this country and i expect we will continue to hear the president make the like argument but this is something people are paying attention to

because for a long time roe was the law of the land. if you became pregnant or having a miscarriage or these kinds of issues were impacting you, you didn't have to worry about it being public and now people realize that this is impacting them, they need to stand up and fight for these things and we are going to be their voice, and we ask everyone in this country to stand up and make a decision at the polls so we can have the votes in congress to reinstate roe and allow you to make your own healthcare choices again. >> briefly, what you say about senator tupper bill holding up all military promotions because the defense secretary is permitting women in the military to cross borders and pay for if they need reproductive health. >> let's talk about what he's doing. the military make sure that if a woman is on a military base in a state where there is no access to healthcare because of that state legislator, that the military itself will take care of that woman and her axis, say

a woman has a miscarriage and is in a state that has one of these laws, to make sure she can travel to another state to take care of her own healthcare or she is raped, sinister tubberville is taking the extreme position, he's not allowing anyone to be promoted in the military, often these positions have to be approved by the senate, until that is taken away. we say not on our watch. the military is doing the right thing. we asked women to serve in our military and we tell them we will help them with their health . we are not going to deny the access to healthcare in these critical cases. >> i appreciate you being here. in arkansas today an indication that a national wave of gender affirming caravans may not stand at least not everywhere. yesterday and obama appointed judge ruled that arkansas's ban is unconstitutional. judge moody's decision reverses a first of its kind 2021 ban that could forecast the fate of

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off-the-cuff comments about chinese president xi once again heightening tensions between washington and beijing also adding to the tensions is beijing's plan to build a new training facility in cuba. the wall street journal reporting that discussions for the facility on the northern coast are at an advanced stage. joining us now is michael vickers, he was the undersecretary of defense for special operations and also operations officer for the cia and also at the state department. you've done it all and your new book, is just out, memoirs of a life in intelligence and strategy. great to see you. congratulations michael vickers. you've had such a career. but let me ask you first about beijing. you've seen these flaps before, so fishing responded furiously

we are told, the language used by the foreign ministry today with the most angry that people have seen in years. how big a problem is this, will they be able to move on? >> i think both sides are trying to cool down relations a little bit after a lot of tension. but certainly it wasn't the best timing but, i've known tony blinken a lot of years. he's a good diplomat. >> undercut by the president saying, the hard part out loud, that you are not supposed to say. >> during these summits, or near summits like this, you generally want to tone down the rhetoric to give it the best chance of success. >> what are the chances of them still having the meeting perhaps at aipac in november? >> i think both sides want that but you know, we will have to see. >> you've served under six

presidents. i'm sure you've seen moments when presidents have said things whether at a fundraiser or not on the teleprompter that have messed you up but what are some of the most challenging things that you have faced, would it be osama bin laden? >> three events really defined a big part of my career, as a cia officer, doing the program that defeated the soviets in afghanistan in the 1980s, and then our campaigns, to disrupt and dismantle and ultimately defeat al qaeda between 2007 and 2015. and the raid that brought justice to osama bin laden. there's also a chapter on how we might posture ourselves to fail in the new cold war with china and russia but that's the heart of the book. >> does china fully understand the superpower diplomacy that is necessary.

they cut off military communications after pelosi's trip to taiwan and to a lot of american politicians, why was that the trigger that would cut off something as critical as the hotline to avoid a miscalculation, to avoid a conflict between the two powers? >> right, so, in the past decade they become more assertive as they see the world more in bipolar terms between you know, the united states and china, and if you are going to manage a strategic competition like this, it's important to have good channels of communications even when you have strong disagreements, as we did in our cold war with the soviet union. so that something the american side wants very badly, to make sure that we have adequate lines of communication. >> from your analysis, how is

president xi different than previous chinese leaders that were more interested in, you know, resolving economic disputes and may be dealing with climate change. he seems now as compared to how he was when joe biden first met him, he seems more ideological? >> he's by far the strongest most powerful chinese leader since paying, and while chinese leaders onward really focused on economic growth hydric capabilities and bite your time, president xi has been a lot more assertive since he took over in 2012. >> how long do you think before they make some kinetic moves , invasion of taiwan? >> he said he wants to see the taiwan problem resolved and he's told the people's liberation army to be ready not later than 2027. so, there's that risk, the risk has gone up, looking out over the next few years, that we could have a conflict but it

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suggest that the august 14th trial date in the federal documents case could be delayed to give his legal team more time to review all the documents. but in any case, he's already suggesting he may not take part in the first republican primary debate scheduled for later that month. >> you have a major definitive decision on the primary. >> i haven't, but i do say why would i allow a hostile network, fox, you know, pretty hostile, why would i allow -- >> you get a fair shake. >> this is a fair interview, but it's hostile. it's on the hostile side. why would i allow people at 1 or 2% and 0% to be hitting me with questions all night. you know, i don't think it's fair. >> and that was another part of the interview, the excellent interview with bret baier on fox. joining me now are real clear politics, former democratic congresswoman donna edwards and usa today washington bureau chief susan page. we saw trump skip a primary debate in 2016. he had control of the polls.

same situation now certainly in the polls. softening in the new cnn poll today. does he get away, you know, scot-free in terms of the optics, the political optics of just skipping the debate. what's in it for him to be on that stage? >> well, that's the question he's asking himself unlike 2016, he has a big lead for the nomination, and do you think that donald trump wants to be on stage with chris christie, who is really an effective attacker. that's got to give trump some second thoughts about participating. >> does he open himself up to criticism that he's afraid to take the political hits if he doesn't get on the stage? >>. >> most definitely. i think he can count on everybody that night questioning why he didn't have the nerve to come and stand up for himself, but if he is the front runner, it doesn't bode well for him. i thought it was interesting when chris christie was asked about the pledge that you have

to get on the debate stage ultimately promise to support the nominee, basically saying i'll take it as seriously as donald trump did in 2016, which is not seriously at all, i thought it was interesting that christie said that he believes that trump will show up, that his egowill not let him stay away and be called a wimp by everyone on stage. that is punch bowl is reporting today that speaker mccarthy actually pushed back on efforts to put impeachment on the floor ahead of their investigations. could that further disrupt the conference and his support from the conference? >> well, i think it's a sign yet again that especially following the debt deal that mccarthy really doesn't have any control over his caucus than it's

ungovernable, and this small group has actually figured out a way to use the rules of the house to monkey up all of the wrenches. that includes both the range of impeachment recommendations, but also includes things like they did when they tried to stop a procedural vote on a rule. this is ungovernable, and kevin mccarthy is reaping the deal that he did to become speaker. >> susan, he's working so hard to stay one step ahead of those far right conservatives, trying to keep the conference on message. arguably how do you go to the floor with an impeachment vote before you've even had the house judiciary committee or impeachment investigation with the charges. >> and why do you go to the floor with an impeachment resolution based on immigration when you have this big target that you want to talk about which is the deal hunter biden struck with the justice department.

that is the intended message of house republicans. it gets ground out by now competing impeachment resolutions against the president. kevin mccarthy can't like that. so donna, you know the house so well having served there, of course not in the republican side, but is the house just going to be constantly bickering back and forth on these issues, talking about impeaching joe biden over immigration, when immigration is the failure of multiple presidents in both parties, you know, for decades? >> well, i think the house is really coming to a close. they're just shutting down every bit of business, and it looks like they're also rolling up to a point where there's a group of them that are willing to shut down government at the end of the fiscal year. this is completely out of control. democrats are going to move to table these impeachment resolutions. there are also resolutions against a number of members of the president's cabinet.

it really is ungovernable. kevin mccarthy has absolutely no control over this renegade group of bandits that he has in the house. >> and susan, just looking at joe biden right now, the hunter biden issue, everything else that he's got on his plate, the campaign, what do you think is the biggest challenge that he's facing? >> inflation. i mean, i think if he could show that inflation is truly under control without tipping a session, that would deal with the biggest problem he faces with his re-election because at the end of the day, voters care about their own pocketbook more than they care about anything else. >> thanks to all you've, amy stoddard, susan page. the january 6th rioter who tased officer michael fanone in the neck has been sentenced to 12.5 years in prison. ryan reilly was inside the court and just came out.

ryan, what happened? >> pretty significant sentence here, one of the longest for any january 6th defendant. judge amy berman jackson was making clear this was one of the most serious crimes to come out of january 6th and wanting to send a message to make sure that other individuals no matter their ideology don't take action against the united states for what she referred to, you know, as someone who is supportive of tyranny saying that that's what 1776 was all about was the america rallying against tyranny. >> of course officer fanone is paying the price for this with all of his injuries and still, you know, of course has those frailties, he's recovering from them. it is an important lesson. that you think so much. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show online. ""chris jansing reports" starts right now.