here, one of the longest for any january 6th defendant. judge amy berman jackson was making clear this was one of the most serious crimes to come out of january 6th and wanting to send a message to make sure that other individuals no matter their ideology don't take action against the united states for what she referred to, you know, as someone who is supportive of tyranny saying that that's what 1776 was all about was the america rallying against tyranny. >> of course officer fanone is paying the price for this with all of his injuries and still, you know, of course has those frailties, he's recovering from them. it is an important lesson. that you think so much. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show online. ""chris jansing reports" starts right now.

♪♪ good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. what were those mysterious noises coming from the under the waves? could they be proof that the crew of the submersible titan still was alive nearly 80 hours after the five of them went missing. those are just two of the questions we're hoping the coast guard will answer when they hold a press conference expected to start just minutes from now. once they start we will bring it to you live. and unfolding right now, a massive explosion at a school in the heart of paris. at least 16 injured, 7 people seriously. the search is on for more victims. we'll have the latest on that ahead. plus, india's prime minister puts on a show doing yoga on the lawn of the u.n. in new york. just hours before president biden will test his political flexibility as he hosts the leader accused of waging war on democracy in his own country. but we start with that coast guard update, let's go live and

take a listen. >> first coast guard district, and i'll provide an update on our ongoing search efforts for the titan submarine. behind me or beside me i should say, you'll see several subject matter experts from the unified command who introduced themselves momentarily. these individuals represent only a small fraction of the many dedicated professionals working around the clock on this complex response effort. we understand there's an extremely difficult time for the families of the missing crew members aboard the titan and our thoughts go out to them and the crew. the unified command team is working tirelessly to bring all available assets and expertise to bear as quickly as possible in response to this complex operation. we remain in contact with the family members and the crew to make sure they're fully aware of our current and future search efforts. we've been in close contact with

the british and french consulate general to ensure they are fully appraised of our efforts. we are incredibly grateful for the full spectrum of international assistance that is being provided, including an expert sub mariner from the royal navy who's here with us as a critical member of our team. additionally, ta team of highly trained french rov operators departed st. john's last night ask are en route to aid the search. our canadian partners have been providing critical leadership and significant response capabilities since the beginning of the our efforts. this is an incredibly complex search operation requiring both surface and sub surface elements and our unified approach is critical. the location of the search 900 miles east of cape cod and 400 miles southeast of st. john's makes it exceptionally difficult to mobilize large amounts of equipment quickly. in spite of those challenges, we've been able to provide

continue air and search assets as well as additional rov capability to search below the surface. we currently have five service assets searching for the titan. we expect ten total surface assets to surface in the next 24 to 48 hours. there are two rovs actively searching and several more are en route and will arrive by tomorrow morning. we received incredible support with aviation assets from our coast guard, air station, and elizabeth city. the air national guard, and canadian armed forces. today there are two back-to-back p3 flights. one is ongoing, 14 hours of continuous on scene coverage and two c 31 flights ongoing throughout the day and into the evening. yesterday the canadian p 3 detected underwater noises in the search area. as a result, rov operations were re-located in an attempt to explore the origin of the noises. although the rov searches have

yielded negative results, they continue. additionally the data from the p 3 aircraft has been shared with our u.s. navy experts for further analysis, which will be considered in future search plans. the surface search is now approximately two times the size of connecticut and the sub surface search is up to two and a half miles deep. exponentially expanding the size of the search area. we also have to factor in the ever changing weather conditions, currents and sea states that expand the search area every hour. there's an enormous complexity associated with this case due to the location being so far offshore and the coordination between multiple agencies and nations. we greatly appreciate the outpouring of support and offers to provide additional equipment. the unified command continues to prioritize assets and resources in order to provide the best capability in the most timely manner. this includes weighing multiple factors to identify the most

effective resources available to the response operation. with careful consideration to timeliness of equipment arriving on scene, usefulness and ability to deliver assets to the search area. over the past 48 hours, we have through incredibly unity of effort, mobilized and implemented a tremendous amount of expertise. in addition to the ships and aircraft previously mentioned, we've dispatched two subject matter experts from u.s. navy, sub salve who will serve as search coordinators on scene for underwater search operations. so i've been stressing an effort a lot in this statement, and that's because it is absolutely critical to this complex operation. again, our thoughts and prayers are with the crew of the titan and their loved ones. we will continue to work as hard and as quickly as possible in an effort to locate them. i will take a few questions, but before i do that, i do want to -- i'm going to have each of the members, the team here introduce themselves and i'll go ahead and take some questions.

>> good afternoon. i'm paul hankins. i'm the director for salvage operations with the u.s. navy's supervisor of salvage. >> hello, i'm carl hartsfield from the woods graphic institute. >> good afternoon, i'm lieutenant commander rich, i'm an exchange officer serving on the staff at norfolk, virginia. >> good afternoon, lieutenant commander kristy butler working closely with captain frederick from rcc boston, search and rescue commission coordinator, thank you. [ inaudible question ] >> when you're in the middle of

a search and rescue case, you always have hope. with respect to the noises specifically, we don't know what they are. the p 3 detected noises. that's why they're up there. that's why they put sonar buoys in the water. the good news is what i can tell you is we're searching in the area where the noises were detected and will continue to do so, and we hope that when we're able to get additional rovs which will be there in the morning, the intent will be to continue to search in those areas where the noises were detected, and if they're continuing to be detected and then put additional rovs down in the last known position where the search was originally taking place. >> i hadn't heard 30 minute intervals. so here's what i can tell you. so i am not a trained ear for underwater aquatics. that's why we have a team of experts that are analyzing that data. that data was sent immediately to the navy last night, and it was analyzed overnight. they're still looking at it. i can tell you that it's

inconclusive. again, i think the important piece is we're searching in the area where the noises were detected. >> talk about a time line, can you talk about what time line you're working on in conjunction with the teams that are there. >> a time line in what respect? >> how much oxygen they have left. >> okay, so in terms of -- we talked about the oxygen number. i think you're all tracking the oxygen numbers. i think there's an important point with that. the oxygen, that's just one piece of data, right? there are a lot of pieces of data we need to consider, and you know, we're continuously looking at that, and we'll continuously do that throughout the search, but that's not the only thing that's important, right? and right now our efforts are solely for folks on the search. that certainly is a dialogue that's happening. but we're focused on searching at this point. >> is this a recovery or a rescue? >> this is a search and rescue mission, 100%, we are smack dab in the middle of search and rescue, and we'll continue to put every available asset that we have in an effort to find the

titan and the crew members. >> and can you confirm that some sort of rectangular object has been spotted, there was some sort of report about that? >> a couple things. the rovs, each rov brings different capability. the rovs that are diving today, what's the depth? >> 4,000 meters, and some additional rovs that will be arriving tomorrow have additional depth capability. with respect to an object, so yesterday one of the aircraft did see an object. i will tell you this, in search and rescue missions when aircraft are flying continuously, there is stuff out in the ocean that is floating. we went back, we looked at it. it wasn't -- we didn't determine it to be debris. we don't think it correlates with the case, and it is not uncommon at all during an active search to see things and then we go and look at them. >> when was the -- when were these noises first heard?

do you have any information in terms of -- water they might have on board? >> so several p 3 flights have heard noises yesterday, and we put assets there. we relocated assets immediately. with respect to food and water, it's my understanding there were some limited rations. i can't tell you exactly how much they have aboard, but they do have some limited rations aboard the vessel. >> the families, how much hope can you give them after hearing those noises? >> listen, i think you need to be careful. we need to have hope, right? but i don't -- i can't tell you what the noises are. but what i can tell you is -- and i think this is the most important point we're searching where the noises are and that's all we can do at this point. >> right now about the status of the -- [ inaudible question ] >> so i just want -- it was my

understanding the p 3 heard some noises today as well. i want to take an opportunity to invite carl to the podium just to talk little bit -- he has more expertise in underwater acoustics, maybe just to speak to that in general. again, there are noises below the surface of the ocean, and so i'll just turn it to carl. >> carl, can you spell your name? yes, c-a-r-l,h-a-r-t-s-f-i-e-l-d. so the ocean is a very complex place. obviously human sounds, nature sounds, and it's very difficult to discern what the source of those noises are at times, but i can tell you that this team has multiple sensors that are in the area. they're sending data back expeditiously to the best in the world people to analyze that data and then they're feeding the results of that analyst back

to the unified team, and they're making decisions. so wood sol is here in an advisory role. by our expertise what we see is a tight operational loop that's making decisions based on data and nothing is ruled out. >> you said you heard -- there have been multiple reports of noises and every one of those noises is being analyzed, tracked, looked for patterns and reported upon. >> describe what the noise -- can you describe what the noise sounds like that they're hearing. >> well, you know, the noise is, again, very complex in the ocean. you have to be an acoustic analysis, and you have to have context. they're trying to put all the pieces together. the noises have been described as banging noises, but again, they have to put the whole picture together in context and they have to eliminate potential man made sources other than the titan. >> is it possible -- is it possible that a ship in the ocean -- is it possible a ship

in the ocean or even some mammals out there could mimic that kind of sound? >> so i can tell you from my experience with acoustics, that there are sounds by biologics that sound man made to the untrained ear, but i can assure you that the people listening to these tapes are trained. there are a lot of vessels in the area, and they each make noise, right? all of that has to be eliminated and it's analysis over time. plus as the captain said, the team is searching in the right area, so if you continue to do the analysis, look for different patterns and search in the right area, you're doing, you know, the best you possibly can do with the best people on the case. >> deep ocean south -- byway that was sent there to the

location, can you tell us if it's on site yet and how it operates and how long it would take a rescue attempt? >> which system did he speak about? do you know -- >> what system are you talking about? >>. [ inaudible question ] >> that's just a hydraulic crane. >> that's a piece of equipment. it's a crane piece of equipment. there are a lot of pieces of equipment flowing in through st. john's right now. one thing i did want to mention, i think it's important, some of the rov capability that's arriving soon is really great, incredible capability. one thing i want to point out is that french team that's coming in to serve aboard with their equipment aboard a french ship, they bring some state of the art equipment and so once they get on, we're going to have more assets down to look and we'll continue to put them where we think the best location is. >> are you still -- are you

still optimistic that they're going to -- >> how many days? did you ask how many days? so we have to remain optimistic and hopeful when you're in a search and rescue case. so we're right in the middle of search and rescue cases. i don't want to get into a discussion about when that would end with respect to this case. what i will tell you, though, i'm happy to explain to you kind of how that process were to work, you know, the coast guard search and rescue cases on a daily basis. sometimes we don't find what we're looking for, and you have to -- you have to carefully consider all of the factors and there are a lot of factors you consider. after you consider all those factors, sometimes you're in a position where you have to make a tough decision. we're not there yet. but if we continue to search, potentially we could be at that

point. again, we're not there yet. that's a discussion we will have with the family long before i'm going to discuss that here publicly. >> i'm sorry, ma'am. >> they can survive beyond tomorrow morning -- >> yes, i can't put a number on the -- you know, i'm not going to -- i don't have a percentage number. what i will tell you is that is one data point, and there are many data points than that that we have to look at. right now we continue to search and we'll have that later. >> the noises -- [ inaudible question ] >> so the report -- [ inaudible question ] >> so the noises were heard by a canadian p3, and that was this morning and some yesterday. i don't know specifically if they were at 30 minute

intervals. i really think the important point is we're searching there. we moved assets and we're searching there, and we'll continue to do so. . >> is the vessel -- [ inaudible question ] >> yeah, i don't -- so listen, whether it's operable or whether it's sitting on the other floor or the surface, it's all speculation, and we're just not in the business of speculation. we're in the business of searching, and we're putting everything we can with the data we have to search for the vessel. i think we'll take one more question. >> assistance being provided as well as -- >> yes, so we -- we asked for some additional sub surface support, and we got that through the navy through a liaison

officer. he's just one of many team members, and we're greatly appreciative of the british government. >> we expect a daily update. >> so i think the plan will be to do a daily like this. i'm not going to lock into that right now. we'll keep you informed, and certainly if there's any major developments let you know. thank you very much. >> did you say submarine. sir, are you saying submarines are assisting? >> thank you so much for attending today's press briefing. that will include all questions. >> questions being asked by our own tom costello, but we got again as we did yesterday some very important new information. 100% the search for the five people in that submersible remains a search and rescue operation, and what everybody wanted to know was what about those sounds that we just got information about overnight. well, it wasn't just one, it was multiple aircraft, these p 3 canadian surveillance planes that all heard these sounds.

they are being sent back to a team of experts. people who will not have trouble discerning what this is versus say -- and again, this was a question from tom costello. could it be a ship in the ocean? could it be mammals mimicking it. not to someone who is trained in this underwater ideology. i want to go to our guest, kristen dahlgren who is in boston where those news conferences are taking place. also, larry daly president of titanic expeditions, an expert on the titanic who has been on the titan sub, thank you both for being with us. kristen, your other takeaways here? >> reporter: right, i think the question everyone had was about those noises. while they wouldn't really give a lot of information about exactly what it sounded like, we learned about the analysis that's going on now. they had an analyst from woods hole talking about it saying

that they're listening very careful to those recordings, very carefully to those recordings and trying to discern what it was. the coast guard kept pointing out that the good news out of that is that they are looking in a specific area based on those noises, that those noises were, again, heard today, and so they do feel like they are zeroing in on where those noises are coming from and trying to discern what that is. the other big takeaway for me is the amount of equipment that is currently on scene and what they're hoping to get, and they really had a lot of hope for this french vessel. it is carrying an rov, expected to be able to dive beyond even the depth of the titanic. they say it has state of the art technology on board. it is expected sometime between 8:00 p.m. tonight and the morning and could be crucial in this below the surface hunt, chris. >> larry, let me go to you, because you know so much about

this having been down in that area, you know the com complexionties of it. let me ask you a personal question to start. when you heard that there were some sounds that were being picked up in that search area, what went through your mind? >> obviously, you know, very happy to hear it, and cautiously optimistic. so hearing sounds out there is not uncommon, but if they analyze this and my theory would be on this, okay, where did they locate it first. the pattern of the sounds, is it moving at a set pace? is it on like a same direction each time? or is it a random sound that's moving around? if it's moving at like a slow pace in one direction, maybe the sub and, again, i'm just speculating, maybe the sub didn't get to the bottom. it's in the water column. it's neutral, maybe they lost battery power and it's just stretching.

if it's moving at maybe one knot at that depth that it's at, you know, maybe that's what it is. when i dove the wreck, you know, the current was about 1 knot. that set the depth down there. it does increase as you come to the surface. i'm optimistic. i hope while they're tracking that area that they're also standing direct to see if they're at the right site. >> we've talked about this over the last 24 hours or so, larry. before anybody goes down there, they're signing these waivers that say this is extremely dangerous. in the case of this company, they say death is a possibility. in fact, i think it uses that word multiple times in this waiver. is there a standard procedure anticipaing that something like this could happen and assuming they're alive that they're perhaps regular intervals or ways in which they try to make sounds so they can be found potentially by a search operation. >> well, i can't comment on the

operator's predive, you know, waivers or so on, but i will tell you that when i dove in a russian -- to -- that would be 20 years this coming sunday, we were more, you know, briefed on the safety of the -- we're told about safety measures. so distance like say if our -- was incapacitated, we were told what to do, how to use the radio to talk to the ship, how to call the other -- in my case we had mere 2 diving 200 feet, you know, away from us and exploring the wreck, which would be -- just like you have on a sea boat. so there was things to to. if we got stuck in the wreck, we could jettison cross there, we could jettison the collection basket in front of the -- we were told about that. we also had a buoy that could be deployed to the surface.

it would take some time to get up there. i'm not sure how exactly it would work, but it would go to the surface, and you know, locate -- let them know there's an issue. so we had a lot of safety features to go with. i'm not sure what their program was for this. you know, i would hope they would have several ways to do that. >> stockton rush who is the pilot of this vehicle a short time ago gave us some information on a podcast and again, well aware of the things that can go wrong. let me play for you what he had to say. >> so what i worry about most are things that will stop me from being able to get to the surface, overhangs, fish nets, entanglemen hazards. >> do you think that is the most likely case or at least a very plausible case of what might have happened here? >> i don't know. i don't know what their setup is, their equipment. you know, i have no association with the operator. i'm hoping -- this is what i'm

hoping. again, i don't want to give people false hope or anything like that, but you know, maybe they lost battery power. maybe they're just blacked out and they're neutral. maybe they're sitting onto sea floor blacked out. you know, the time frame they lost communication, i'm not sure how fast they get to the sea floor, but these are things that i would, you know, keep in mind that -- again, we don't know, the assets that are deployed out there are significant. i've never seen anything like this in my life. i haven't seen this in a movie. so the fact that -- excuse me. we have just emotional for me to think about because i have a good buddy down there. so the fact that everybody's jumped in, st. john's have jumped in and offered other assistance, which you know, i'm not surprised. the countries around the world and companies and individuals that are jumping in on this, i

mean, we got everybody on deck and the first part of that briefing, it's full on search and rescue. this is not a recovery. this is a search and rescue. we still got time. >> tell me about your level of confidence in p.h. and other people, the other four who are on here. look, this is not your everyday kind of, you know, travel, obviously. there is a particular kind of person. you are one of them who feels that the risk and there always is a risk is worth what you're going to get out of it, whether it's science or whether it's an experiment. but if they're alive, ability to keep their cool, ability to think clearly to the extent that physically they can do that. tell me a little bit about the p.h. you know and how he might react in a situation like this. he obviously is a renowned titanic expert. >> well, if i was stuck in my sub or i got stuck in a

submersible, i'd want, you know, another top russian pilot, jim cameron a good friend of mine, and you know, first and foremost, obviously p.h. because if i was stuck in there, each one of those guys would say, listen, stay calm and serve youring -- just relax and there will be a program here, we'll do whatever, you know, we'll conserve the energy, you know, and we're getting close to that time limit on the air quality, you know, reserve the air and don't hyperventilate. listen, we'll get out of this, and we're going to have a beer after this. i had a beer with p.h. a couple of weeks ago in st. john's, and you know, it was great to see him. so you know, he would tell everybody to stay calm and relax and he's not a panic type guy. >> let me ask you finally kristin, since you have been there. you got there very early in this

process, and p.h. just mentioned he's never seen the kinds of equipment that's being brought to bear, the expertise being brought to bear. just today they talked about five new surface assets expecting to add five more in a couple of days, two remotely operated vehicles, those rovs, several more coming. you mentioned that dive vehicle that can get down even deeper than where the titanic is. do you get that sense of urgency just being there? even though many of these things are being staged elsewhere apart from where you are in boston, the breadth of this search and rescue operation. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, this is a full scale search and rescue operation. you may have noted that, you know, yesterday in the press conference they were estimating about 40 to 41 hours of airlift. today they wouldn't field those questions because they say there are multiple things involved in that calculation.

and so they wouldn't put a number on it, they wouldn't talk about when they might stop this search. they are continuing to bring assets and will continue and eventually may have to have those conversations with family certainly before they would tell us about it. they are not going there yet, and the one other thing i wanted to mention because you were asking about the safety mechanisms onboard, we learned from previous passengers on board the titan that there are a few things. so they do have a way to manually cast off some of the ballast that would bring the ship to the surface. they also have what's called a necklace system, which is in theory supposed to corrode after about 24 hours in the water, and so that also would drop the weight, and then it would be able to bring the vessel to the surface. and so, you know, the conclusion there if these things were working as they were designed that it is in some way trapped or something else happened, but again, that's speculation. they are continuing to search

both on the surface and beneath the surface, chris. >> kristen dahlgren in boston, larry daly, obviously we are sending all good thoughts to your friend and all the other four people on board the titan. thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us. we do appreciate it. still ahead, the dilate effect. new polling that shows that former president trump's support is starting to slip. we're back in 60 seconds. we're back in 60 seconds cold water, on those stains? ♪♪ cold water can't clean tough stains? i'd say that myth is busted. turn to cold, with tide. i won't let me moderate to severe plaque psoriasis symptoms define me... emerge as you. with tremfya®,

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we could be seeing the first potential cracks in donald trump's support following his indictment in the classiied documents case. a new poll shows his favorability among republicans and right leaning independents is down ten points in just a month. so how much of an opening might this give his 2024 rivals? i want to bring in david jolly, a former republican congressman from florida and msnbc political analyst. barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, and nbc's vaughn hillyard who joins me here in studio. david, this is the first national poll to show real softening in trump's numbers since his florida's court appearance, and there's one more number i want to put out there, 47% of republicans and republican leaning registered voters back trump, but that's down six points from last month. though, as you can see still 21 points higher than florida governor ron desantis. what do these numbers tell you? is this a blip or something more

substantial potentially? >> we need more time to find out. i think there are a couple of things at play here. first, donald trump still has a healthy lead nationally in the polls over ron desantis and other republicans. the question about his slipping, is it on the substance of the charges against him or is it in the more rational lane of republicans really want to win. this notion of a rational republican today would say i'd rather go against joe biden with a candidate that has not been indicted and perhaps doesn't bring all this baggage and could beat joe biden. are we seeing the rational voter, the emergence of the rational voter, or are we seeing a rejection on substance of the very serious allegations of donald trump. i think we also can't take away, chris, very importantly the hard work that ron desantis is putting in. he has a massive operation underway, digital, door knockers, mail, he is doing everything a presidential candidate should be doing to try to overcome the front runner. i think there's a lot at play

here. it might be all of it. >> vaughn, he brings up the general. look, these numbers with republicans may be helpful to him in the primaries, but then you still have to beat joe biden potentially, right, in november. 85% of non-republicans say he should get out of the race. are you hearing any concern from trump world or do they think frankly if he wins the nomination, he can beat biden? >> they have very little concern, chris, let's be very frank. they believe that they're in a good position. if you go back to 2020, and this is where i urge caution when people look at a biden trump rematch and think that suddenly donald trump has a little shot with standing these legal perils here. it's 42,000 votes that donald trump lost by between georgia, arizona, wisconsin. in 2016 he won 90% of republican voters in the general election. in 2020, it was 94%, and in this poll released last night, a majority of republican voters still think that he among this republican field is the best

positioned to beat joe biden. he has a potent base. the republican block of the electorate is potent want we don't know the viability of a third-party candidate come next year. we don't know where the economy is going. there are so many variables at play here, and for donald trump, what he can rely on and has relied on now for so long is the potency of that republican electorate here, and if he is able to continue to convince the republican electorate, a majority of them that he has the best shot at beating joe biden next go around, well, they're very well likely going to have his back. >> and he does present in public as unconcerned, we saw it in that interview with bret baier and barbara, trump reportedly thinks he did a great job with him. although former trump lawyer ty cobb says from a legal perspective, it was a disaster that gave the government an enormous gift, what's your assessment stepping back now looking at the bret baier interview, the things he said about the accusations against him in the indictment?

>> any lawyer would advise someone who's under indictment to just stop talking about it. there's always a risk you're going to make admissions or you're going to say something that is inconsistent with a position that you want to take at trial. this idea that he didn't return the boxes despite a subpoena because he was too busy and he was -- needed time to review them that they contain shirts and pants and shoes and other kinds of things suggest he knows exactly what's in him. these will all be used as admissions at trial. i can imagine in this trial the prosecutors are going to roll that recording as part of their case in chief. so you know, he always wants to present everything about himself in the best light. i would never expect him to admit what a disaster that interview was. from a legal perspective, it was very harmful to his case. >> we often talk about the difference between thend the political, frequent critic and opposition, chris christie said of the bret baier interview, his lawyers are -- this morning are jumping out of

whatever window they're near. having said that in 2020 since you want to go back to that, when i talked to a lot of voters, they would say to me i wish you'd quit talking, right? but they've still said they would vote for him. >> he doesn't do that, chris. we have eight years of donald trump not stopping. he is not a normal defendant. he has literally -- how many lawyers have left his legal team over the last six, seven years. >> and not a normal candidate. >> no, because for donald trump he is his own best witness, right? he has -- believes that he is able to convince the electorate not just about the actual trials in front of him, but the political end of this year, too. i was just talking with an aide who said that everyone is feeling very positive coming out of that fox news interview. the aide told me, quote, again we took up all the oxygen. no one knows what the other candidates did yesterday or the day before. we're driving the conversation one way or the other. and i actually went back to eight years ago.

it was after donald trump's first megarally in the summer of 2015, and all of the articles that were written at the time was that donald trump was tripling down on his controversial mplways doubles dn and he is going to continue to go onto the air waves and double down on all of his past acts even if prosecutors try to use that in the court of law against him. >> let's look at those things in aggregate, david, none of trump's rivals have managed to consolidate support against him. when you combine this new polling slide, the negative reviews of the fox interview, maybe a little sense of exhaustion. could there be an opening for one of them? you talk about the fact that ron desantis is doing all the right things. there's also this talk, especially after the primaries yesterday that there might be another candidate like virginia governor glenn youngkin. folks who are republican but not trump supporters kidding themselves to think maybe there's an opening there? >> no, i think the strategy for republican presidential candidate remains largely what

it was when they got in. vaughn's exactly right. donald trump's tactics work. i mean, the guy was elected president of the united states. he is the front runner. we can look at a little bit of ebbing of his poll numbers, but the reality is he keeps douing and triping down on these tactics that are easily criticized. every other candidate is looking at a ground game, a delegate slog trying to be in the position of number two so that should the ground really shift, a moment that we have not seen since the emergence of donald trump but could happen given all of the peril he faces legally, should that ground shift, you want to be number two, ready to overtake the former president. right now that's only ron desantis. but you are seeing moves by mike pence and others who think they have a shot to replace desantis at number two to perhaps be in position should donald trump fall? >> vaughn hillyard and barbara mcquade, thank you both so much. david, you're going to be back with me in a moment. we have new details about the man accused of murdering four university of idaho students in

an off campus home last year. a new court filing revealing a cheek swab taken from suspect bryan kohberger provided dna that was a statistical match to dna found at the crime scene. kohberger is scheduled to go on trial in october on four counts of first degree murder. he's currently being held without bail in a maximum security cell. and today congress is releasing the nation's newest stamp design honoring the late democratic congressman john lewis. the stamp's preliminary design features a head shot of lewis, and its margin will include a photo of the civil rights icon at a nonviolent protest workshop back in the '60s. speakers at the unveiling will include house speaker kevin mccarthy, democratic majority leader hakeem jeffries and usps postmaster general and lewis's son john miles lewis. lewis served in the house of representatives from 1987 until his death in july of 2020 after fighting stage four pancreatic cancer. former president trump says

debates help win the presidency in 2016, but he won't commit to debating this year. his reasons coming up. and next, more on the u.s. coast guard efforts that now searching an area two times the size of connecticut scouring the ocean for that missing titanic submersible. officials say they're holding onto hope they will find the five passengers alive. stay with us. ngers alive. stay with us

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and maybe make their case without risk being bullied by the gop front runner, but it would also deprive them of a chance to take on trump directly. chris christie is looking to do that. we'll see if trump falls through on that. anger at fox news, anger at various times at the rnc. the second debate is scheduled tentatively for the reagan library. he's got beef there too. it's not clear when or where trump will debate. one assumes he'll have to at some point since this nomination. >> congressman, though, do you think he's serious about maybe skipping at least the first debate? i mean, he rarely thinks anyone can be fair, so when he says fox news isn't fair, it's not a surprise, and yet, he's showed up for debates before. >> yeah, i fully anticipate donald trump to skip the first debate, and one of the moderators is none other than bret baier who he just went toe to toe with. and though he says it went great, it really didn't.

bret baier showed he's willing to go right at the former president trump. donald trump skipped the debate in 2016 and his reviews afterwards publicly were i made the right decision because i was on the front page of every newspaper the next day as the guy who skipped, and he got to kind of armchair quarterback. i think we can't overlook donald trump's vanities in this situation as well. he sees himself as the former president, all these other candidates are gunning right for him. i think he would skip the debate in august, and politically, unfortunately, though i don't support donald trump, i think it might be the right political decision for the former president to do so. >> what about the other candidates who are still going to be required to pledge their support to the eventual nominee. does that make sense? >> certainly a pledge in this environment does not make peril donald trump. as a party, they use it as a cudgel to keep people in line to suggest if you want to participate in our republican primary, you have to support the republican. the reality is, though, i'm not sure donald trump would answer that question if the

affirmative. he did not in 2016. so it is pretty much a feckless pledge, they say there's enforcement. there's little they can do. i think there's several candidates who would not accept that pledge today. >> jonathan, i want to play another part of last night's second part of the interview in which bret baier asked trump about his pledge to impose the death penalty for drug dealers. >> i felt a nonviolent crime as an example, a woman who you know very well was in jail. she had 24 more years to serve, she served for 22 years. >> alice johnson. >> alice. >> she was in the super bowl. >> high quality. >> and she was on a telephone call, and they were involved in selling marijuana, mostly marijuana, and she got like 50 years in jail. >> but she'd be killed under your plan. >> huh? >> as a drug dealer. >> no, no, under my -- oh, under

that. >> it would depend on the severity. she had a multimillion dollar cocaine ring. >> even alice johnson in that ad? >> by the way, if that was there, she wouldn't be killed, it would start as of now. you wouldn't go to the past. >> i know, but your policy. >> starting now. but she wouldn't have done it if it was death penalty. in other words, if it was death penalty, she wouldn't have been on that phone call. she wouldn't have been a dealer. >> i guess he's saying it's a deterrent. setting aside the obvious point, he had to find a way out of his contradictory statements, who's trump trying to appeal to there who he doesn't already have voting for him? >> yeah, first of all, there's that moment where you can see donald trump's brain freeze in realtime as he's confronted with the conundrum there. i do think to david's point earlier, that's the reason he

might skip the debate, bret baier is unafraid to challenge him on some things. it's an interesting pivot. trump and his advisers and i covered that white house so carefully, you know, they were pretty pleased with some of the clemencies that he put together in the program jared kushner was a leading voice on they think helped win a black vote, quickly among black men in the 2020 election. it seems like trump is now pivoting hard and right away from that. we'll have to see if that's a calculation that pays off. he's certainly trying to be tough on crime as he's painted, you know, inaccurately, cities across the nation as wastelands and democratic policies. his team is trying to thread some sort of needle there on some contradictory political plans. we know trump is not known for his grasp on policy, his or anybody else's. >> former congressman david

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new warnings today about the dangers of e bike batteries after a deadly fire erupted and killed four people in new york city. here's nbc's gabe gutierrez. >> reporter: at least four people are dead after a manhattan e bike repair shop went up in flames, the charred bikes piled on the sidewalk. >> someone came in screaming hey, there's a fire next door, fire right next door. >> reporter: inferno erupted just after midnight in the ground level repair shop and spread to the upper floors of apartments. more than 100 firefighters rushed to the scene and these five people were injured, including a firefighter and emt. >> the volume of fire created by the lithium ion batteries is incredibly deadly. >> reporter: so far this year, the new york city fire

department says there have already been 108 fires linked to lithium ion batteries and 13 deaths. this surveillance video from february shows just how quickly those fires can spread. so does this demonstration where a lithium ion battery fails or explodes, it can often happen because of faulty design or over charging. this is a harrowing video of a battery exploding right next to a child who barely escapes. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports," let's get right to it. at this hour, house republicans plot their next move after the president's son struck a plea deal with prosecutors. they're not hauling a special committee session on hunter biden. also, grueling violence in the west bank, homes and cars torched in the after math of a ad