the war, committed to a culture where corruption is no longer tolerated in the way it once was, and they say they need the help, they want to be part of the west, and if it's given, they'll use it appropriately. chris. >> we like to leave on a message of hope, whether it's for people caught at the bottom of the sea or people who will have to deal with the after math of an extraordinarily brutal war. raf sanchez, thank you so much for your reporting. that's going to do it for us this hour. join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. they have heard something, but so far have not seen anything. searchers combing both the surface and the seabed are still looking for the submersible that disappeared near the wreckage of the titanic on sunday.

now after hearing underwater noises they are redirecting their search zone, hoping they could close in on the vessel and find the five people on board still alive. for now, there are only theories about what could have gone wrong, did it get stuck under something or caught within something. was it within the titanic itself, and if so, when will rescuers, any sort of robotic ship or whatever, be able to get down there. time and oxygen are running out. but the u.s. coast guard insists that this is still a rescue mission. >> sometimes you're in a position where you have to make a tough decision. we're not there yet. >> joining us from newfoundland is ron allen and from boston, nbc news correspondent kristen dahlgren. ron, you just got done with a news conference up there with the people behind the vessel, the ship that the submersible

launched from. what did we learn? >> reporter: yeah, a company called horizon maritime services, the polar prince. it's the first time we have heard from them, and it's perhaps the closest connection we have had to people who have been actually able to talk to folks on scene. their ship is still out there, it's a crew of at least 17 or so. they are in constant contact, and just listening to their remarks, you could see the concern. you could see the stress. you could see just the fear, the hope that they still have that something positive is going to happen. they couldn't elaborate much on these reports about noises that we have been hearing. they have been focused on trying to get supplies out to the ships and out to this armada of international ships and rescue teams to get them what they need to continue to help, to pull off some kind of a miracle, perhaps, at this point, to effect some kind of a rescue. a lot of questions about the final moments of communication

because this, again, this was the ship that the submersible launched from and then was not heard from about an hour and 45 minutes into its journey. there's usually constant communication throughout the entire process for the most part, and at that moment, they knew that there was some kind of a huge problem. this is a company that has done this several times before with oceangate, and interestingly, a number of questions were asked about ocean gate's safety record because there have been some in the industry who have been questioning it. they said here that as far as they know it's a safe operating company, and they had no questions about that. the focus right now, though, is on trying to get those five people back to the surface, to find them safely, and, again, to try and get as much support out there as possible, he described last night how the american military, the coast guard here

from canada, with a police escort from the airport brought truckloads of material here, and put it on ships, and they went out this morning to get support the mission. it has been a constant flow of material and ships leaving from here and near here to go out there and more are expected to arrive overnight from other parts of the world. in particular, there's a lot of concern, a lot of anticipation of a french vessel arriving that has a deep water remotely operated vehicle, rovs, we heard a lot about that in the press conference from the u.s. coast guard, who has a capacity to go down 2 1/2 miles or more. that's the main problem now, the main concern, the fear that the vessel is trapped somewhere on the bottom of the ocean, and it's impossible to get down there, unless you have a really specialized highly capable vehicle, and that's what they're hoping we'll get on scene now, as they continue to search the area that they have described now as twice as large as the state of connecticut. >> and, ron, when they lost

communication with the vessel, what was the protocol once that happened? was there something on board the ship that could immediately dive to go take a look for them in the last known area of contact? was there some sort of set up in a place fall back, if this sort of thing happened? >> reporter: that's a good question, and no details about that. the first protocol is to alert authorities when they know there's some kind of problem, and, again, that happened about an hour and 45 minutes into the dive. it was supposed to be about a six to eight-hour process, two hours down, three or four hours looking at the wreckage, and then two hours back up as i understand it, and they knew there was a problem immediately because they've done this before. unclear exactly what happened, other than alerting the local coast guard, the canadian coast

guard that there was a serious problem. and protocols into action here where they have a command center. trying to maintain contact with their ship on scene, and the crew of 17 trying to do everything they can to support the mission. again, working around the clock. this has been ceaseless, and one thing again that really struck me was listening to and watching the leaders of this company, you could see the pain. you could see the stress, the distress on their faces, their mood as they were explaining and saying that they are still hopeful. that's what we hear from so many people in this town that we talk to, that they are still hopeful, despite these reports about waning oxygen supply and so forth. he also alluded to the fact that there may be other safety systems aboard the titan that we're not aware of, wouldn't elaborate again, but again, the bottom line there is there is this determination, this sense of hope that prevails here in this town, and throughout this community as the hours tick by,

and the search operation continues. >> and he was asked if any family members of those on board the vessel were on board the ship they launched from, they couldn't answer that question, which makes me wonder if there are family members in excruciating agony as they await word on their loved ones. let's talk about the noises. what specifically did they hear? do they have an idea of whether they heard specific noises that were manmade or noises that could potentially just be organic from the seabed or something banging against, i don't know, the metal ship wreck of the titanic itself? >> reporter: right, yeah, there's a lot of metal out there, and it's also, you know, the ocean is noisy. while we may not think about that. they were asked that specifically at the coast guard press conference today. tom costello asking could it have been some type of marine life. he asked from graphics institute who has been brought in as an

expert on this. he didn't think this was any type of marine life. they're trying to zero in on it. they are analyzing, they have these noises on tape. they're sort of taking out the extraneous noises to try and isolate it. they said the good news is they're looking in the area of where that is, so they're able to zero in on it, hoping to figure out exactly what it was. he was asked what does it sound like, and he said banging. earlier the department of homeland security wanted to back pedal. careful about using the word banging, because it does imply that perhaps it is made by humans. he said they were hearing banging. that analysis continues. as far as how much oxygen is on board, how much time is left, they were also asked about that yesterday at 1:00 p.m., they said there were 40 to 48 hours. today they wouldn't answer. take a listen to what they said about that question.

>> the oxygen, that's just one piece of data, right. there are a lot of pieces of data we need to consider, and, you know, we're continuously looking at that, and we'll continuously, you know, do that throughout the search. but that's not the only thing that's important, right, and right now our efforts are solely focused on the search. that certainly is a dialogue that's happening. but we're focused on searching at this point. >> this is a search and rescue mission 100%. >> reporter: so there you go. that was a theme throughout this day. this is still an active and massive search and rescue operation. they have, you know, best case scenario. they are seeing some type of hope. they're getting those vehicles on scene that they have wanted to have there, and, you know, even if it's a worst case scenario, they are not willing to give up yet. this is still a very active operation. katy. >> kristen dahlgren, ron allen,

thank you very much. joining me now is u.s. submariner, brian clark, he served on multiple submarines, including as chief engineer. if they are, brian, trapped somewhere, stuck somewhere near the titanic, what is it going to take to get them loose and to rescue them? yeah, katy, so what they're going to have to do is find them first. obviously they have some indications of where they might be based on this set of noises. that's good, and it's also, i think the navy has sent out some of the crane equipment that they would use to haul up equipment that falls off of ships, so airplanes and things that fall from ships have to be recovered. so the navy has portable crane equipment to put on a ship that allows it to retrieve that equipment. that is on route, and i think it might have been on one of the ships that deployed today. it could get there in time to be able to use that crane equipment

if they have located the submersible to retrieve it before the oxygen runs out or before they run out of the ability to clean their air. >> can it get all the way down to where the titanic is ron was saying the french ship has the rov that could go down a few thousand feet. is that low enough? >> so the crane that the navy uses for this type of operation goes down to 12, 13,000 feet easily. they retrieved a f 18 fighter last year from the south china sea at a similar depth using this kind of crane equipment, and it's portable, they put it on the location of the ship. they have been flying that. i believe it might have been on the ships they deployed today. they could get there tonight or early tomorrow morning to be able to retrieve the vessel, if we have located it in time. >> there are a lot of questions about the safety of this craft, and all of the questions that were raised, alarm bells that were raised by former employees or from others in this industry, saying this thing wasn't up to

par, and one of them is about the viewing window within it, saying it's certified to go down to 13,000 meters, but then going down the titanic is 4,000 meters. that's well below where it's certified to. is that one of the areas that is causing you concern? >> not really. i mean, because they have taken this vessel down to this depth before. they have taken it down to relatively deep depths on previous excursions, i'm not that worried about the viewing window. what i'm more worried about in general, it seems to lack the basic safety features we would have incorporated into a submarine. for example, you can't open the hatch from the inside. if they were to get to the surface, they could run out of oxygen or suffocate because they can't open the hatch themselves, they have to get located and somebody has to open it for them. the communications are fairly minimal, yes, they use acoustic communications to talk to the surface ship. those can be interrupted by

environmental conditions. there's no umbilical that allows them to communicate with the host vessel. there's a lot of things this vessel doesn't have that we would think to have in military submarines or submersibles. >> lots of questions about what might happen in the future with this sort of stuff if it starts going down there again. brian clark, thank you very much for joining us. new reporting on another supreme court justice taking a lavish trip with a gop mega donor. and he led the investigation into the benghazi attack, what he's warning his fellow republicans to investigate when they investigate the biden family. we are back in 60 seconds. we are back in 60 seconds. y... and forgot where she was. [buzz] you can always spot a first timer. gain flings with oxi boost and febreze. whenever you're hungry,

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and someone with business in front of the court. justice samuel alito took luxury fishing vacation with gop billionaire who had cases before the court. that billionaire is a man named paul singer. he's a gop mega donor and the head of a hedge fund that has made ten appearances before the court following, justice alito declined to comment on reporting but before the story could publish, alito himself wrote an op-ed in the "wall street journal" trying to pre-but it. more pressing is what this means for trust in the supreme court. public opinion of it is already at an all time low in polling. fewer than half of americans say they trust it. how do perceived ethics violations help that, and what can be done to fix it if the court won't address the issue,

which it did not, at least not publicly with clarence thomas. the senate does have some ideas, a member of the senate judiciary committee joins me with an update on what they're doing to right the wrongs in a few minutes. first, as we say around here, let's get to the nuts and bolts. joining me now, one of the reporters on that story. propublica's joshua kaplan. thank you so much for being with us. tell us what you found. >> yes, so we found justice samuel alito took a luxury alaska fishing vacation with a hedge fund billionaire and gop megadonor who regularly had cases before the court, and not only did they go on vacation together, this billionaire, paul singer, flew alito across the country to alaska on a private jet. we're told that if alito had chartered the plane himself, the cost could easily have exceeded

$100,000.01 way. and alito didn't disclose any of this. it's been secret until thousand. experts told us that alito appears to have violated a federal law that requires justices to disclose most gifts. even more note worthy here is when after the trip singer had case after case in front of the court, alito didn't recuse himself from any of them. a supreme court justice sitting on a case after having received an expensive gift from one of the parties. >> so you reached out to him to get a comment on this, instead of commenting to you, he published an op-ed in the "wall street journal." he said your reporting is misleading readers. he says he didn't need to disclose the trips. he cited black's law dictionary, and websters unabridged dictionary, transportation falls under what could be described as facilities, that term, and he didn't need to recuse because he

never discussed business on the trip. is that how you understand the current set of rules the supreme court is supposed to abide by? >> i should say first of all that when this op-ed came out about us misleading readers, the article hadn't been published, alito hadn't read it. in terms of the rules, so when it comes to recusal, there is a law governing when justices should recuse themselves, and it sets a very high standard but also a subjective standard, it's when their impartiality could reasonably be questioned. when the justices face a potential conflict, like in this instance, they're the ones who -- they are the sole arbiter of whether or not they have to recuse, which gets to the root issue here. this is a practice of the court that has long been criticized as

opaque and inconsistent. experts we talked to said alito should recuse himself, if they were in a courtroom and found out that the person on the other side had taken the judge on a vacation, they would feel pretty bad about that. and that's essentially a distilled version of what the law requires, in terms of recusal. what alito said is his understanding of the law was he didn't have to disclose that, and he said it was common practice for a supreme court justices to not disclose gifts of accommodations or of transportation to social events. you know, we've talked to seven ethics law experts, former government ethics officials that served in democratic and republican administrations, they all said this interpretation is wrong, that the law clearly requires disclosure for gifts of private jet travel. >> joshua kaplan, thank you very

much for joining us. joining us now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali to talk about the steps to remediate this. congress has some ideas, at least some members of congress. democrats on the senate judiciary committee, what do they want to do? >> reporter: no shortage of ideas, katy, especially on this issue which has been talked about time and again at each turn that we see new reports about what supreme court justices are doing and not disclosing, we heard another round from senators saying if the court is not going to regulate itself, the senate will step in and try to do that for them. we're hearing the latest allegation against justice alito by using words like egregious and rotten. dick durbin said the excuses alito gave why he thought he was able to do this were latchable in durbin's word, and he said they would mark up a supreme court ethics reform bill sometime after the july holiday.

we could watch some of those ideas get put to paper, and see what the senate thinks should be done here in terms of regulating the supreme court, but again, there are questions and supreme court folks have referenced this about what congress can do in terms of regulating and trying to govern effectively another branch of government. this is going to be something that's going to be important the way they write this. the fact they're moving forward will put meat on the bone and give a sense of what can actually be done here. >> thank you very much. and joining me is slate senior writer, mark joseph stern, who covers the supreme court. let's talk about trust in the supreme court. we can put up the polling showing where americans feel about the supreme court. not great. it's an all-time low since polling has been done owner the supreme court. 50 years ago is when it started. taking this reporting about justice alito, putting it together with the reporting about clarence thomas, reporting

about scalia before that, what does it say, what does it tell us about the court? >> i think it tells us that many of the justices just assumed that the american people would forever respect and treasure the court as this neutral institution far above politics, no matter how the justices conducted themselves. we are learning that is quite wrong, especially now that we're seeing reporters treat justices like government employees who are fallible and deserve to be investigated and scrutinized. we're learning they do not conduct themselves like folk who is truly say what the law is would act like. that has led to an understandably plummeting faith in the court and a suspicion that maybe it should not have near absolute power to change the law any way it wants, and to ensure its justices face no kind of political backdrop correctly.

>> can you tell me what's going on behind the scenes? there's so much sensitive on what the court has power over. we saw that with the overturning of roe v. wade and all of the consequences from that decision, the ways that it has materially changed the lives of so many americans in this country. the court from the reporting that i've read has been concerned about this loss of trust for a while now. what's going on behind the scenes? >> justice clarence and alito could care less about this. chief justice john robert was tearing his hair out when he saw that. that is an atrocious move from a pr perspective for the court itself as an constitution that's supposed to be above the fray. thomas and alito think no matter what we do, liberals will criticize us and delegitimatize

us, we should do whatever we want. the other conservatives don't agree. john roberts cares deeply about the image of the court. we have learned that amy cney barrett and brett kavanaugh, i think that's creating a real divide between the thomas alito wing of the court and the other justices and i think it's note worthy that ron desantis recently said he's not the biggest fan of trump's justices, he prefers alito and thomas, and would appoint justices like that. >> that's interesting, thank you very much, mark joseph stern, appreciate your time. what republicans on capitol hill are saying about future investigations into the biden family, and the warnings that they're being given about it. plus, social media influencer, andrew tate charged with rape and human trafficking. what his alleged victims have

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republicans on capitol hill say hunter biden's plea deal is proof that president trump is a victim of political persecution, and they're vowing to get to the bottom of what they call biden's sweetheart deal and their alleged idea that there's a two-tiered justice system. republican lawmakers especially in the house have been promising to expose what many of them call the quote, biden crime family, initiating a number of house investigations, including one by oversight chair james comer. now, some are taking it a step further, saying they will force a vote to impeach the president over his son's so-called special treatment. and while that plays well in safe red districts, safe red districts are not what gave the gop a majority in the house. joining me from capitol hill is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. talk to me about the sturm and

drang amid the republican conference about what impeaching, forcing a vote on impeachment might do to front line republicans? >> reporter: yeah, listen, there's a lot of angst inside the republican conference about the idea of pushing forward with a vote to impeach president biden in part because it wouldn't be successful, and ultimately republicans would look a little silly if they try and do something so provocative, that it doesn't end up in a net result. the house speaker, kevin mccarthy is insisting amongst his members that instead of going this route, that they actually go through the committee process, do an investigation, and come to an conclusion before they take such that step. if they get ahead of the game, it could be a bigger political problem. some of the members agree, listen to some of the reaction we got on capitol hill today. >> to trust our justice system to get it right, i don't think this takes the light off at all on these llcs that people worry

about. it is a separate issue, so i think other investigations will go on. >> some people in the conference want a smoking gun, and some people feel like we have plenty. the american people feel like there is plenty. when we have bank statements showing wired money going from foreign companies and foreign nationals to shell llcs and paying biden family members, this is overwhelming. if they had this evidence on the trump family, on president trump's children, you would already see them locked up in jail. we have plenty of evidence. >> reporter: so the sum total of all of this is there isn't going to be any effort to impeach president biden anytime soon, no successful effort, katy, but the investigations, this cloud of suspicion around him, at least from house republicans is going to continue for the very near future. >> ryan nobles, thank you very much. and joining me is former chief communications adviser for former house speaker paul ryan, and brendan buck, what's the strategy here. >> yeah, i think the strategy is

to continue to feed viewers of other networks who have fully bought into some of these conspiracy theories. look, it is not uncommon for a house majority to investigate a president of the other party. that's politics. it happens. where the house seems to be going astray here is jumping far ahead to conclusions without any evidence to back them up. marjorie taylor greene talks about evidence, not exactly sure what she's talking about there, but what we have had time and time again, people like jim jordan and james comer who are leading very powerful panels, jumping ahead to conclusions, and back fill later. you build facts, come to conclusions and you present them. now we're running into a situation where the facts having materialized and getting frustration bubbling up. people wondering, where are the

goods, when can we demonstrate this is a corrupt crime family. and that frustration is bubbling up into desire to jump right ahead to impeachment. >> talk to me about what delivered house republicans their majority. you have a lot of republican lawmakers coming from blue districts, especially here in new york, are they facing -- they say their constituents want to get down to the truth of this, but are they facing an up hill climb. is he right about that. >> you talked about it exactly right. there are a lot of districts where this stuff sells well, the deep red districts. that's the culture. always worrying about the deep red districts. those aren't the ones that deliver majority. doing oversight on its face is good. actually part of what congress's job is. there are important things they could be doing oversight on, the

decision and tree of leaving afghanistan, what hunter biden has done doesn't solve any problems for the american people. your oversight efforts should be designed to show you're helping people. there's no clear obvious answer what that is. elections are won this those places. this is bad politics for him, and i think kevin mccarthy knows that pursuing hunter biden investigations is bad at large. it's what the members want to they can go home and talk about it. it continues to be a conflict between what members want and it's why the party remains in bad standing nationally. >> the prosecutor who or theedly made the steal is a trump appointed prosecutor, a u.s. attorney appointed by donald

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prosecutors in romania have indicted andrew tate on rape and human trafficking charges. tate was a social media star but he was also condemned for promoting toxic masculinity. tate and his brother tristan, along with two other defendants are accused of forming an

organized gang and sexually exploiting women. andrew categorically denies the charges against him and has claimed that he is being unfairly attacked. andrew tate. joining me now is nbc news foreign correspondent, ali arouzi. give me a little bit of background on this. he was initially found and put in jail, arrested because of a spat he had with who again? >> reporter: yeah, well, he's facing an indictment on charges of rape, human trafficking, forming a criminal gang to sexually exploit women and the spat was with the famous environmentalist greta thunberg. the two have been under house arrest after a police investigation that led to their arrest in december. now romania's organized crime agency said that four people, two british americans, and two romanian nationals have been

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january 6th rioter daniel rodriguez was sentenced to more than 12 1/2 years in prison this afternoon, one of the longest sentences yet for a january 6th defendant. during the insurrection, rodriguez drove a stun gun into the neck of former d.c. officer mike fanone. during today's proceeding the judge called him a quote one-man army of hate. joining me now is nbc news justice reporter ryan reilly. ryan, so what did he say as he was being led out of the courtroom? >> reporter: he said that trump won. and this all came after sort of a rambling speech. i was joking with mike fanone,

it reminded me of that speech during "billy madison" when the actor says we are all now dumber for having listened to this speech. he was rambling on. it was tough to follow what exactly he was saying. he stopped short of giving an actual apology for his conduct. and i think the message he was sort of getting across after the sentence was imposed and after there could be no more penalties for him, he said that trump won, and that was just before he was led out of the court where he'll spend the next decade behind bars, of course presuming donald trump doesn't take office again. >> the video shows him getting michael fanone with a stun gun, and you said you talked to fanone after this, how does he feel about these individuals who say that donald trump was a father figure to them, who say donald trump won, how does he feel about them getting sentenced as donald trump himself is still currently being investigated? >> reporter: that's right, you know, fanone actually walked out of the courtroom halfway

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climate scientists and communication experts may seem an unusual choice for a discussion about the federal budget in money and politics but senator sheldon white house sees a clear connection. during a senate budget committee hearing today a panel laid out how with corporate dark money groups propagate clean energy, climate science and climate scientists to roadblock meaningful climate action, a disinformation campaign that they warn has exposed the united states to systemic economic risks. joining me now is rhode island senator and chairman of the budget committee, sheldon whitehouse. i'm thinking of a lot of commercials i see that don't seem to have any sponsorship on television but when you look closely at them they're funded by dark money groups. >> yeah. when an american sees his or her tv and sees an advertisement and at the end it says this

advertisement was brought to you by peace for prosperities and puppies and there is no such thing, or if you can find it it's a shipping place somewhere, that's a pretty bad sign something has gone wrong in our democracy. >> tell me what you were trying to do here today. >> we laid out a very strong predicate in previous budget hearings that the climate risks we face are very grave economic risks and hence very grave budget risks. and in this we moved on from that predicate to show that one of the reasons we're facing those risks is because of the fossil fuel industry's propaganda operation that has interfere would the ability of congress to have solved this problem years and years ago even going back to the original 1988 bill i think by republican senator shafy and republican

senator snider. it's been effective and that's why we're in the pickle we're in now. >> so much of what we've been dealing with financially right now has to do with the effects of climate change. and whenever we have a major disaster and the trillions of dollars that get allocated for that disaster, obviously affects the budget. it happens in all seasons now. is that a way to get repig clim, hey, listen this will cost us a whole lot less money if we get out ahead of it instead of react to it? >> that's what we're trying to do. that's the case we're trying to make. if you look at why we have this deficit one of the major components to it is these unpredicted and unaddressed shocks to the system like the 2008 mortgage melt down and like covid. the next ones are likely to be covid related. we have a chance to predict them, in fact they've been predicted for decades, and we have a chance to do something

about them. we know how to do it, but we have political interference driven by fossil fuel dark money, so we have to penetrate through that. and the difficulty for republicans is there's difficult amounts of overseas dark money. >> how do you get to the root of getting rid of dark money. i keep going back to a conversation i had with lindsey graham a couple years ago in the hallways of the capitol and he said when i'm in the chairman of the judiciary we're going to go after dark money and he didn't end up doing that. it seemed like when i talked to republicans there was a desire to get rid of it because they don't like it either. so what can be done, and why hasn't anything been done yet? >> well, what can be done is to pass the disclose act which would require contributions to a campaign above $10,000 or expenditures supporting a

campaign above $10,000 have to be disclosed back to the original donor not through screening front groups and shell corporations. getting there is little bit difficult because while every democrat will vote for that bill and has voted for that bill, no republican has been willing to vote for it, and i believe that's because republican leadership is heavily, heavily dependent on dark money to run what they call their outside spending operation, which is basically their political artillery against democratic candidates. >> another version of dark money, you could argue is what's going on with the supreme court and allegations supreme court justices are taking all sorts of lavish gifts without disclosing them without people who have business with them in front of the court. we got a new report from just uh-uh leto he prebutted in front of "the wall street journal" is it going to be successful? >> you're absolutely right about the dark money piece.

millions of dark money went into the federalist society while a list of supreme court nominees was being created. millions went into the judicial crisis network to run ads for nominees who the federal society list put forward, and millions of dollars of dark money goes into front groups that come into the court and file briefs as friends of the court but don't tell the court or other parties who they really are. and behind that is the ethics crisis of unbelievable expensive gifts of travel and other things. two federalist society justice from right-wing activist billionaires, and that needs to be cleaned up as an ethics matter and highly apart from the dark money problem. >> it does need to be cleaned up. the trust in the supreme court is at an all-time polling low. is there a way to destroy that trust? it's just getting the supreme court to agree on a set of public ethics standards and abide by them enough here.

>> there are three things that could be dup here and all could actually work together. one, chief justice roberts could take this seriously. >> do you think he's not? >> no, he's not at all. or if he's taken it seriously it hasn't turned into any action yet. second, you've got the judicial conference which is the administrative body that runs the court and these other judges are quite fed up with the court's behavior, and they're in a position to upgrade the ethics and the accountability of the court. and finally we in congress have bills, and chairman durbin announced my bill. >> we have run out of time. we're going to have to leave it there. thank you very much for coming on with us today. and that is going to do it for me today. "deadline white house" starts right now. hi the