anything to hurt his poll numbers. if there is an opening, i think some of his fellow campaigners should take it, but i'd like to see a little more hard data before i conclude he is in any real trouble. >> agreed, it is just one poll. we should note, though, in the poll, haley and pence up a little. ron desantis stayed flat, still 30 odd points behind trump. brandon buck, we'll talk to you again soon. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this thursday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. today, we are on the floor of the house where the other side has turned this chamber, where slavery was abolished, where medicare and social security and everything were instituted, they've turned it into a puppet show. a puppet show. you know what? the puppeteer, donald trump, is shining a light on the strings. you look miserable. you look miserable.

the only advantage to all of this is that instead of reversing what we did on the ira to save the planet or reversing what we did to reduce the cost of prescription drugs, you're wasting time. >> you look miserable. former house speaker nancy pelosi calls out republicans for their grievance politics and using the house floor to appease donald trump by censuring democrat adam schiff, who led the first impeachment against the former president. it comes as there's a growing riff between two of the most outspoken, far-right members of the house over how and when to impeach president biden. also ahead, we're learning more about the case special counsel jack smith is building against donald trump in the classified documents case. not looking good. plus, a man convicted of attacking a washington, d.c., police officer during the capitol riot shows a complete lack of remorse for his actions.

we'll show you the officer's reaction to what happened in court yesterday. and we'll have the latest on the search for the missing submersible. crews are desperate to find the vessel before the five people inside run out of oxygen. that is, if they're even alive. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is thursday, june 22nd. a lot going on this morning. >> yeah. >> with us, we have the host of "with a too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. from "usa today," susan page. and editor at "the financial times," ed luce is with us, as well. >> you know, before we get started, let's just get an overview really quickly of what this republican house majority is doing. you know, we were warned that they were insurrectionists, weirdos and freaks, that they

would be reckless if they were given a little bit of power. ed luce, they've censored schiff. they can want really tell us why, other than he investigated what marco rubio's senate intelligence committee called, quote, a grave counterintelligence threat to the united states of america. that's what schiff was investigating. let me say that again. he was investigating something that marco rubio's senate intel committee said of trump's 2016 interactions with russia. manafort's high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the russian intelligence services represented a grave counterintelligence threat. okay, so he opens up an investigation against that and brings up, again, so many things that are disturbing.

then we keep hearing about the biden crime family. but you ask the question, what crime? they can't tell you. "wall street journal" editorial page rightly says, a lot of smoke, no fire. you have grassley, the most senior republican, when confronted about a document they're looking for and how it really doesn't do anything to suggest joe biden did anything wrong. we don't care whether they're right or wrong. you have comey going out and saying, "we don't really care. we're just trying to bring down his poll numbers." comer, i'm sorry, comer. yesterday, i think maybe the saddest and most pathetic spectacle of all, when john durham, who has made a fool of himself time and again, brought one case after another, trying to slander the fbi, trying to slander hillary clinton. he goes before a house panel,

and he claims to be completely ignorant of things that happened, that were on the front pages of "the new york times," that marco rubio's intel committee wrote about. he even claimed that he didn't know about that grave counterintelligence threat to the united states. he didn't know that donald trump had asked russia to find hillary clinton's emails. he didn't know one news item after another. and his lame response was, "i don't follow the news. i don't really read newspapers and watch television." this would be the starting point for any investigation of the investigators that he would have. yet, they keep making fools of themselves. they're just gesturing to the most extreme members of the republican party, including durham. people who get their news from chinese religious cults.

>> you know, if you were to ask me, is the republican party today closer to mitt romney or to george santos, who is, you know, a clown of the first order and should not be in the house, i'm sad to say, i think it's closer to being the party of george santos. the censor of adam schiff yesterday devalued an incredibly important and valuable tool of the legislature, disciplining and shaming its own members for criminal conduct, for extreme ethical breaches. what adam schiff did was uphold the constitutional duty of the house, to provide oversight of the executive, at a time when the executive was breaking all kinds of rules. it's become conventional wisdom to say, not just on the right but, you know, amongst polite conversation, to say that the

robert mueller report exonerated trump. i reread that 448-page report a few months ago, having read it originally at the time. it is an extremely damning document, corroborated, as you say, by the senate intelligence committee report, signed off by senate republicans, that establishes multiple counts of obstruction of justice in the investigation into the alleged russia collusion between the trump campaign and russia. there is no doubt that there was russia collusion. there is absolutely no doubt that there was an attempt by donald trump to get putin to assist his election. it wasn't critical probably to his election in 2016, so there's been some overstatement of that on the left. but of course it happened. so to censor a congressman, adam

schiff, for this, makes it the party of george santos. adam schiff said, "look, one day, trump will be gone but your dishonor will remain." this is dishonorable. this is deeply dishonorable. >> yeah, it is deeply dishonorable. jonathan lemire, again, we keep hearing about the biden crime family. here's another example. you have durham lying about the fbi. you have these right-wing freaks, insurrectionists and weirdos lying about the, quote, biden crime family. you have a member of the supreme court's wife taking part in activities around january 6th. you know, sending emails around to people and saying the biden crime family should be put on a prison barge outside of gitmo for crimes. i always ask, "what crimes? what crimes?" they have no answer. "what crimes?"

no answer. we said yesterday, people in the media have been saying for years, what hunter biden did looks unethical, looks bad. he's a crack addict. nobody here is defending him. there's no media blackout. i mean, there's massive pieces written about hunter biden during the 2019 and 2020 time period. nothing. yet, they keep chirping, "biden crime family, biden crime family." durham keeps talking about investigating the investigators, russia hoax, russia hoax, when marco rubio's senate intelligence committee said, they said after the 2016 campaign, when marco was already kissing up to donald trump, that the trump campaign's connections with russian influenced people caused, quote, a grave -- what is it -- a grave threat to u.s.

counterintelligence. a grave threat. so the person who is in charge of the committee on the house side shouldn't investigate that? now, they're censuring him for doing that? you have that. you have durham. you have this biden crime family nonsense and now impeachment. oh, my god. >> yeah. >> oh, my god. thank god we don't have a $31 trillion debt that donald trump basically gave us and these same republicans gave us. thank god we don't have any con oncerns with china, with the economy. thank god we don't have concerns about skyrocketing college costs. it's more important for lauren boebert and green to go after

each other. what is it? more gesturing. this is what we warned about if they put insurrectionists, weirdos and freaks in charge of the people's house. they have put weirdos, insurrectionists and freaks in charge of the people's house, and this is what people in those districts get. >> dishonorable, dishonest and unserious. that is what this is, this is unserious. it is not a party that is showing any interest in governing. it is just about gesture and playing to the lowest common denominator, whether it's the fox news viewer, the podcast listener, or the person who will write them a check for their next campaign. it is the biden crime family, quote, quote, quote, yes, as we mentioned, hunter biden, appearances of unethical behavior. he was charged with crimes. this very week, he pleaded guilty. no widespread corruption. nothing about enriching the president or himself because of official business but, rather,

because of tax matters. he shouldn't have purchased a gun when we did. those are crimes. he pleaded guilty to them. there's no biden crime family, but it's not stopping the republicans from trying to spin this up into something. to do donald trump's bidding in terms of censuring adam schiff yesterday. this is rare. it's only happened three times this century. the last representative to be censured, paul gosar two years ago. he tweeted out an animated image of him murdering a colleague, a democratic congresswoman, and threatening to kidnap president biden. he was censured, rightly, for that behavior. adam schiff was censured for this behavior, the behavior of simply doing his job, of investigating donald trump's behavior. they dropped the $16 million fine that was on the table last week, but he still has now been censured. only the third representative this century to do so. joe, to your point, next appears

to be impeachment. speaker mccarthy tabled that for a little while but, mika, this is something that should only be used in the most serious of matters. it's only been used in a handful of times in the history of the united states, and we're dangerously close to it simply being another thing that happens. the republicans can use it to score political points. >> well, as you said, to your point today, house republicans will vote to send a resolution to impeach president biden to the homeland security and judiciary committees. the resolution charges biden with high crimes and misdemeanors over his handling of the southern border. >> so, so it's about policy they don't like? >> mm-hmm, yup. it was introduced by colorado congresswoman lauren boebert. she had wanted to hold an immediate floor vote, but speaker kevin mccarthy urged her to go through the committees that are investigating the president. boebert says she's fine with going through the process but

won't give up her fight. telling reporters last night, if her proposal doesn't advance out of committee like she was promised, she will, quote, bring a privileged resolution every day for the rest of my time here in congress. thank you, lauren boebert. meanwhile, as joe mentioned, congresswoman boebert and her republican colleague, marjorie taylor greene, were involved in a heated exchange on the house floor yesterday. during the argument, greene cursed boebert out, multiple sources tell ""the daily beast."" the two were fighting over boebert's resolution to impeach president biden. greene had also filed articles of impeachment, but boebert leveraged a procedural tool to force a vote on her resolution within days. now, greene says the colorado representative copied her legislation. boebert denies that allegation. she told "the daily beast," quote, marjorie is not my enemy.

joe biden and the democrats are destroying our country. my priority are to correct their bad policies and save america. greene also acknowledged the feud, telling "semafor" show told boebert what she thinks of her. she said boebert introduced it just for fundraising, so people would donate to her campaign because she's coming up to the end of the month. my god. >> susan page, here we see, again, a race to impeach joe biden for policies they don't like. let's just be very clear here, when people are talking about how reckless adam schiff was for leading the first impeachment, that impeachment, the first impeachment, was because congress passed funding for defensive weaponry to ukraine.

donald trump stopped that, stopped the delivery of those weapons to ukraine, got on the phone with zelenskyy, and said that he might be able to do it, but first zelenskyy needed to dig up dirt on joe biden and joe biden's family. something i never remember happening in the united states history, something that is clearly an impeachable offense. a commander in chief actually stopping congressionally mandated funding, defensive weapons for ukraine, because he wants to get political dirt from a foreign leader. again, that's what adam schiff is censured for in part. now, we have these impeachments based on policy differences. >> well, let's talk about unintended consequences. i mean, what is the consequence for adam schiff politically from being censored?

it is to bolster his fundraiser for his senate race. >> right. >> it is to burnish his credentials as someone who stands up to republicans and investigated former president trump. what are the consequences of pursuing these impeachment matters against president biden for republicans? i think it might be something -- there might well be the backlash we saw with the clinton impeachment, where it actually helped democrats in the 1998 midterms, to have republicans pursuing an impeachment proceeding that americans thought didn't make sense. so this is -- it's not a good thing to be censored by the house in many ways, but this is very risky business for republicans, including their hopes of holding on to the house the next time around. >> all right. let's bring in nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. ken, we want to look at the mar-a-lago documents case and

parallel it to a similar case. >> ken, we've been saying for some time, if anybody else had done this, any member of congress, marc polymeropoulos said, if i had taken one document as a cia agent, i'd go to jail. well, someone has been sentenced to four years in prison for something similar to donald trump. kendrick kingsbury pleaded guilty to two counts of unlawfully retaining documents related to national defense. she took hundreds of classified documents, just like donald trump, took them home, just like trump. many containing intelligence sources and methods tied to the government's counterintelligence efforts. >> just like trump. >> unlike trump's case, though, she was not accused of showing that classified material to anybody else.

so hers wasn't really as serious as donald trump's. the judge basically said, asked her, ken, "what in the world were you thinking, taking documents pertaining to america's national defense and leaving them in your bathroom?" does that sound familiar, ken? >> yeah, joe, kendra kingsbury was a counterintelligence analyst for the fbi for 12 years. she's a resident of dodge city, kansas. as you said, she took home all sorts of documents, 20,000 documents they found in her home. 386 of which were classified. i'll tell you one more difference between her and donald trump. according to the court documents, the most serious, the most sensitive documents she took home were classified at the secret level, not the top secret level. >> oh. >> which was a designation given to many of the documents found at donald trump's compound at mar-a-lago. she got three years, ten months in prison. her lawyers asked for probation. they cited a series of very sad

circumstances in her life, health struggling, deaths of relatives, but the judge essentially went along with almost all of the government's recommendation and said that this was a serious threat to the national security of the united states. in the sentencing memo, the prosecutor said that, essentially, there is no way to know whether anyone, any foreign adversary or anyone not entitled to see this material actually saw it because it was improperly stored. that would be exactly the same thing they would say, even assuming they can't prove that donald trump actually showed the documents to people in two cases, they would still say that they were stored insecurely in various places at mar-a-lago, where people were streaming through. there's really no way to tell. there's no way to disprove that a foreign adversary didn't put an agent in and take a look at some of the documents or steal them. that is the situation. you know, she did plead guilty, which we don't expect donald trump to do. so you get a little bit of a benefit for pleading guilty, although, she didn't fully

accept responsibility and there was weirdness in her case. they found that they were never really sure why she took the documents, but she made phone calls to the subjects of fbi counterterrorism investigations. they were never able to explain that. she didn't explain it. so that was a little bit of a hint as to some weird motive going on there. but, again, you know, no dissemination to a foreign adversary, three years, ten months in prison. that's what happens to regular people who take home classified documents. we've seen it time and again. this is just the latest case, guys. >> and, ken, just to highlight, the documents that this woman had were not as highly sensitive as the ones that trump has? is that a fair way of putting it? >> well, i think so. because they were designated -- the most sensitive designation given to them was secret, which is different from top secret. top secret are the most sensitive documents, you know, the disclosure of which would

cause grave damage to u.s. national security. the indictment, the court documents say that the material she had was very sensitive. it came from not only the fbi but another agency which might have been the cia, counterterrorism information, very sensitive stuff, but not the kind of stuff that would go to the oval office of the president of the united states. we always have to remember when we're talking about donald trump, he is the number one customer. the entire $50 billion intelligence apparatus is designed to give him the most esoteric information, the most sensitive, the most exquisite that the u.s. government collects. so it just boggles the mind, and we hopefully will never know exactly what donald trump had. the indictment cites 31 documents out of the hundreds, but whatever trump had has got to be far more sensitive than what, you know, an fbi counterintelligence analyst in kansas has access to. >> right. well, and ed luce, again, proving again that so many of

these republicans that have been critical of the handling, the fbi's handling of this case, are lying through their teeth, and they know they're lying through their teeth. this woman, do we think that this woman was called politely by the fbi and asked if she would please return to documents, pretty please? please, please return the documents, given months, plead and beg? no, no, that's not what they do. i've said it time and again. if any member of congress, if i had come back from a classified briefing with documents, the fbi would be knocking on my door in about 30 minutes, in an hour. so when people talk about double standards, when these republican hacks who are trying to defend a man who stole nuclear secrets, when they say there is a double standard, they are right. the double standard time and again has broken in donald trump's favor, and this case proves it. >> when you see donald trump's

difficulties in hiring lawyers, there's a very good reason for that. because there were multiple times over the last 18 months where his legal team were advising him, "look, i think you should give them back now. i think you should do a thorough search of everything we've got and cooperate with the fbi. then this will go away. you'll get a light rap on the wrist for it." he ignored that. instead, he chose to sort of double down, self-incriminate whenever he opens his mouth on this. most recently monday night on fox news. he seems to have some kind of a legal death wish going on here. if i were prosecuting -- >> it really is. >> health warning, but if i were prosecuting donald trump, he would be the dream defendant. he makes the most basic mistakes. he leaves his fingerprints on everything. he declares that he is breaking

the law on tape and then on tv. you need a psychologist, really, to explain what trump's game plan is here. i don't think any lawyer can help a client like this. >> well, i mean, you know, somebody who agrees with you is the former attorney general of donald trump. >> yeah. >> barr has said -- >> thought it was his attorney. >> thought it was his personal attorney. barr got confused there for a while, thinking he was his personal attorney instead of america's attorney general. he's course corrected a bit now. again, barr has said, "he's toast," and for a reason. he's toast because every night, he goes on tv, more legal admissions that the prosecutors are just lapping up. then, you know, on top of that, he is on tape admitting intent, admitting that he knows why he

is doing this and knows that he doesn't have the power to declassify documents as an ex-president. >> the best thing one can do for trump supporters who, i mean, the most ardent will double down and say it's a witch hunt, just ask them to listen to his words and look at the law. he'll tell you he broke the law. >> they don't really care. >> if you don't care about that -- >> actually, they're fine. they're fine with grave counterintelligence threats toward the united states. they're fine with riots started by donald trump against the united states congress to try to stop the counting, the legal counting of electoral votes. the overturning of an election. they're fine with that. it's good we see how far lindsey graham, marco rubio and other republicans are willing to go, and the base are willing to go with donald trump. they are fine now. make no mistake, they are fine with donald trump stealing

nuclear secrets and lying to the fbi about having nuclear secrets and not giving those nuclear secrets back. >> they think consequences to that would be bad for america. that is an interesting question. >> bad for america, for the fbi to try to get back nuclear secret, secret attack plans against iran, and also secret assessments of america's greatest weaknesses. >> interesting question. >> it is fascinating. not going to even ask how they live with themselves because, well, we could have been asking that question for the last six years. still ahead on "morning joe," as we have been discussing, we'll show you the chaos that broke out on the house floor as republicans, in a rare move, voted to censure democratic congressman adam schiff. plus, new developments in the classified documents case against donald trump as special counsel jack smith starts sharing the evidence the government has with the former

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33 past the hour. the january 6th insurrectionist who pushed a stun gun on the neck of officer mike will spend than a decade in federal prison. daniel rodriguez was sentenced to 12.5 years yesterday, and he shouted "trump won" as he was sentenced according to multiple witnesses. rodriguez acknowledged attacking officer fanone before his sentencing but did not apologize. he insisted he truly believed a civil war was breaking out. he pleaded guilty earlier this year to a host of charges, including inflicting bodily injury on officers using a deadly or dangerous weapon.

rodriguez also bragged about his crimes, including the attack on officer fanone. in an online chat room, quote, taiz the f out of the blue. officer fanone spoke with nbc's ryan riley after the sentencing. >> seeing him say "trump won," what does that say to you, that he is still that sort of deluded about it? >> i've said, and i think it's been clear by the defendant's own behavior, that there is no remorse, at least for the individuals in which i came in contact with on january 6th, who are criminally charged. >> it's chilling. the georgia state election board dismissed its years long investigation into alleged misconduct by fulton county election workers during the 2020 election. it comes more than two years

after then president donald trump and his ally, rudy giuliani, repeatedly claimed two workers, ruby freeman and her daughter, shay moss, were counting fake mail-in ballots at the state farm arena in atlanta. a heavily edited clip of security footage was widely circulated online and by trump alies as supposed truth. those fraud claims were unsubstantiated and found to have no merit, the investigation concluded. freeman and moss testified before the january 6th committee last year about the abuse and mental anguish they suffered due to trump's accusations against them. >> there is nowhere i feel safe, nowhere. do you know how it feels to have the president of the united states target you?

the president of the united states is supposed to represent every america, not to target one. but he targeted me, lady ruby, a small business owner, a mother, a proud american citizen, who stands up to help fulton county run an election in the middle of th dilanian. four years after investigating the fbi's decision to probe possible collusion between the trump 2016 campaign and russia, former justice department special counsel john durham testified yesterday that he, quote, didn't know basic elements of the investigation. >> while manafort, the campaign chairman for donald trump, was giving this russian intelligence

officer internal campaign polling data, russian intelligence was helping the trump campaign, weren't they? >> i don't -- i don't know that. >> you really don't know those very basic facts of the investigation? >> i know the general facts, yes. there was a suggestion of a suggestion that the russians could help damaging information as to mrs. clinton. >> by releasing it anonymously, right? that's exactly what happened, isn't it? >> i don't -- >> you really don't know? >> i'm not sure exactly. when you say exactly what happened, it was the information -- >> the russians released stolen emails through cutout, did they not? >> there were emails. >> it's a very simple question. did they release information, stolen information through cutouts, yes or no? >> i'm not sure. >> you really don't know the answer to that? the answer is yes, they do. >> in your mind, it's yes. >> mueller's answer was yes. >> did anything in your report

prove false that russians met with trump's family during the campaign at trump tower after an offer of dirt on hillary clinton? did anything prove that didn't happen? >> i don't have any evidence that that didn't happen. >> in the 2016 campaign, donald trump tried and concealed from the public a real estate deal he was seeking in moscow. >> i don't know anything about that. there's nothing in the report about it. it's not something we investigating. >> anything prove false that donald trump publicly asked russia to hack hillary's emails, and hours later they did? >> if you're referring to -- >> did donald trump not say at a press conference, "russia, if you're listening, you should get hillary's emails?" did you prove he didn't say that. >> we didn't investigate that. >> did you prove false in the '16 campaign that trump's campaign manager gave polling data to a spy for a russian intelligence service? >> we didn't investigate that.

>> oh, my god. >> i'm speechless. "the wall street journal" editorial page and others who have been defending this man, who made a fool of himself repeatedly, who had 24 jurors humiliate him in two different cases, a guy that actually had no prosecutions, no convictions, after investigating the fbi to try to smear them. not trying to, of course, smear hillary clinton. with the investigation of the investigators that took twice as long as the actual underlying investigation. i mean, he's either foolish, he

as early onset of dementia, or he is operating in bad faith and has been from the very beginning. i don't think number one or number true -- or number one or two or true. let me note again, a 2020 report from the republican-led senate intelligence committee said interactions between donald trump's 2016 campaign and a russian intelligence officer represented, quote, a grave counterintelligence threat. he claimed he was ignorant about that. he claimed he was ignorant about wikileaks. he claimed he was ignorant about cutouts, donald trump, "if you're listening, find hillary clinton's emails." that night, again, reports that everybody in america read, that follows any of this, know about

these things. john durham, who was supposed to be leading an investigation on connections between russia and trump and whether the fbi went too far, claimed ignorance on all of it. i must say, it sounded like he was a flak for donald trump. i must say, i have never, ever seen anything like that from a special counsel's testimony, especially from a man -- let us underline this, and i know you will, too, ken, a man who had a really good reputation as a u.s. attorney before william barr sent him on this -- down this rabbit trail. he completely humiliated himself. >> joe, the exchange between durham and adam schiff was shocking. it went to information that was

directly relevant to why the fbi opened the investigation in the first place, which was the whole thing, which was the main point of durham's findings. let's remember, one of durham's criticisms was the fbi wasn't justified in opening a full field investigation after the australian diplomat reported the troubling comments by george papadopoulos, about the russians and emails. what he says was it should have been a preliminary investigation. they didn't do enough investigating before they took the dramatic step of opening an investigation into a presidential campaign. what i've always thought about that conclusion, and when i read his report, it ignored the larger context. it ignored the fact that donald trump had publicly asked the russians to find hillary clinton's missing emails. it ignored all the press reporting about donald trump's bizarre comments about vladimir putin and the potential russian connections with the campaign. it just looked purely at the

papadopoulos reporting. now we know why. durham claims he didn't know about it. that is just unbelievable to me. it's one thing to talk about things that the mueller investigation found later, and durham can say, well, you know, it doesn't justify improperly opening an investigation, even if they found stuff. that's his whole claim. but he missed the context. he missed the plot here. i am so glad, joe, that you keep bringing up the senate intelligence committee report. can't underline it enough, written by republicans and democrats. marco rubio, richard burr signed off on this, that what the trump campaign did, contacts with the russians, was a grave counterintelligence threat to the united states of america. they left themselves open to manipulation by the russians. that finding vindicated the mueller investigation in the views of many, and now we know that john durham did not really understand a lot of the key

facts that led the fbi to open that investigation. >> ed luce, it is hard not to be incredulous about all of this, when durham's performance was so woeful, republicans were mad at him. matt gaetz said, quote, he is part of the nonsense. let's get your take aways from what was an appalling spectacle yesterday. >> joe was speculating about whether he has dementia or whether this is just plain dishonesty. look, tragically, my mother has advanced dementia. she doesn't even live in america. she could tell you about the wikileaks. there is just no plausible way that anybody in durham's position could possibly not know these basic facts about the original investigation. it was often said during trump's

presidency that the silver lining to trump was that his incompetence outran his malevolence. that's saying something because there's a lot of darkness in trump and trumpism. if incompetence is stronger than malevolence, it won't be efficient at eliminating the darkness. i think durham is a special counsel prosecutor equivalent of this. this is an extraordinarily incompetent performance. he must have known the kinds of questions he was going to ask, and his answers were, i don't know, this is an embarrassment, another embarrassment. >> ed, one thing that strikes me, though, is there's so many threats to democracy that we're concerned about, but i wonder if we're not seeing the system where we see one of the most violent january 6th defendants convicted, sentenced to a long prison term. we see georgia state agency

rejecting the claims on miscounting of votes in fulton county, and we see durham's investigation end without a single successful prosecution. and so i think those are things to be actually encouraged about during a time where we do have these significant threats. >> well, that's such a great point. i have to say, though, you have to look also, at the same time, at the republicans. look and see what a destructive force against democracy republicans have become. look at what happened yesterday. durham attacking, trying to attack the fbi. trying, i guess, to cover up. i have no idea what he was trying to do yesterday. a four year investigation ends with him claiming he doesn't know about wikileaks, he doesn't know about cutouts, he doesn't know about the most basic things that, again, republicans in 2020

called a grave threat to u.s. counterintelligence. you have cops who were brutalized and almost beaten to death on january 6th and defendants still screaming, "trump won," something donald trump is still screaming, things that republicans are still screaming in congress. you have them actually going after adam schiff because adam schiff followed through on an investigation regarding, again, regarding what the republicans themselves called grave threats to u.s. counterintelligence. you have a woman being sent to jail for four years for doing far less than what donald trump did. yet, mika, they continue, they continue to defend donald trump. it's not because of any of these people having dementia. it's not because any of these people are dumb. it's because donald trump has corrupted them completely.

they are corrupt, and they are willing to roll the dice on american democracy, just for a little bit of power, a little time in the limelight, i guess, money, i don't know. it's absolutely shameful. >> there are many different ways. >> sorry, i have to keep going. comer. >> right. >> comer has nothing, basically says, "we're doing all of these investigations to bring down joe biden's poll numbers. again, the most senior republican in the united states senate saying he doesn't care if biden is guilty or not. they're just conducting these investigations to try to destroy joe biden. it is shameful. >> it is insanity. nbc's ken dilanian, thank you very much for being on this morning. we'll be following this. samuel alito is the latest justice to face scrutiny in the wake of unreported luxury trips with a billionaire gop mega donor. what's going on, and what it

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>> mike barnicle is so great. he just said, on this day in 1944, president franklin d. roosevelt signed the g.i. bill, an unprecedented act of legislation designed to complication returning members of the armed services known as g.i.s for their efforts in world war ii. what a massive difference. mike is so right. >> thank you, mike. >> the g.i. bill has made such a massive difference to americans through the years. also, my mom's birthday today. >> oh! mary jo. >> mary jo's birthday. president biden will host india's leader at a state dinner later today. biden and the first lady welcomed prime minister narendra modi to the white house yesterday. u.s. and india officials are expected to discuss ways to deepen defense ties, partner more closely on technology, and expand cooperation on key global

issues such as climate change. national security counsel spokesperson john kirby says leaders will also discuss the war in ukraine. india has maintained neutrality throughout the war and continues to buy russian oil, helping moscow fund its military efforts in the region and avoid u.s. sanctions. >> ed luce -- >> that is -- >> -- you are writing about america's lavish red carpet for modi in your latest piece for the financial times. love for you to talk about that. also, i think in america more so than britain, we have a blind spot and have always had a blind spot to what a massive, growing power india is. the potential there an offset of chinese power there, as well. modi, let's face it, will be

there for quite some time, most likely, as his popularity soars. >> you're right. i mean, there has been some underweighting of india, i think, in washington over the years. it's begun to be corrected under bush, then obama. earlier this year, india overtook china to be the most populous country in the world, the largest population in the world. it's also now given china's post covid slowdown, india is the fastest growing economy in the world. it is long past due for the united states to be lavishing this kind of attention on india. now, in terms of what the real motivation is here, the most immediate one, it's china. india has a 2,000 mile border with china. there is no other country in the world that is of the size or potential to counterbalance china. no one else can compare to india in that respect. all of this makes sense. my concern here is that i think the biden administration is

going too far in terms of behaving almost like a supplecant to modi, who is the biggest democratic backslider in the world. he puts erdogan in the shade. he has been abstaining at the united nations over russia's invasion of ukraine. i think there are more cards in the american hand than the biden administration seems to be implying. india is much more threatened directly by china than the united states. india would desperately need the united states, should there be another border war. i just think there's a little bit too much flattery going on here of this strong man, even though we do need india and ties should be getting closer. >> yeah, it is a deeply complicated visit. this is only the third state dinner that president biden has hosted since taking office. that's an honor usually reserved

for the closest of allies, france and south korea. india has been backsliding on democracy. human rights group charge india with persecuing muslims who live there in that country. they've denounced the president giving modi such a welcome here. india has not only stayed neutral on the war in russia burks they're still buying russian gas, helping fuel moscow's war machine. undoubtedly, a country on the rise. new delhi is hosting the g20 later this year. the world's leaders will all come there. but it is a pretty fraught visit here. i know senior white house aides put it to me, they know modi is far from a perfect ally, but he is the best they have in the area as they establish the bulwark against china. >> it is relative. when you compare our relationships with india and china, india looks like a much

better friend than china. our willingness to cozy up to india and to decline to challenge india on some of the concerns we have, including buying russian oil, including backsliing on democracy in the world's most populous democracy, that reflects the priority the administration has put on standing up to china. i wonder how china views these u.s. efforts with india. is it a sign of u.s. weakness, or does it make china nervous? i don't know the answer to that question. >> you know, the thing is, we've been talking, mika, for the past couple of weeks about how china is going to europe and trying to get closer to europe. this is just my opinion, nobody else's here. i think it is absolutely critical we engage india. i think it is critical we engage china. you have two massive powers, whether you're talking about the economy, the environment, climate change, whether you're

talking about now name it, a host of global challenges and issues. whether you talk about global national security. india, china, the united states have one thing in common, they actually want the existing world order to stay in place. russia does not. they want to disrupt that because they continue to get weaker and weaker. so, again, we don't have to agree with india. we don't have to like everything modi is doing. we don't have to agree thatna. we have to engage and continue engaging. if it makes china to feel good to have our secretary of state sit a little away from him, a little down the way, secretary blinken, he is a tough guy, he can handle it. we have to engage. we are exactly hitting the top of the second hour of "morning joe." we have a lot to get to this hour. we'll continue to talk about congressman adam schiff being censured. >> for doing his job. trying to protect america.

also, a parallel case to the documents case, what happened there and what trump might be facing. a lot there. >> a woman gets sent to jail for four years. >> it's not even as bad. >> for doing far less than donald trump. one thing she did the same thing donald trump did, she hid her documents in a bathroom. >> she wasn't given months and months to pretty please return them. >> right. >> i mean, this is what trump is facing. >> four years in jail. >> some believe that former president trump might be putting up a brave front but is very, very afraid. we'll talk about that. ed luce, thank you very much. joining us now, former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner. >> steve, we hear how bad the economy is all the time. >> well -- >> from the same gesturing republicans who, well, as aristotle would say, make stuff up. one thing we've heard politicians talk about for years is the need to get our

manufacturing moving again. you have some information that republicans don't want america to know. what is it? >> well, i don't know what they want america to know, but we want america to know that there is actually some good news. it relates to manufacturing, which has been, as i'm sure many americans, all americans know, a tough place for us in the economy in recent years. let's look at what has actually been happening over here. as i mentioned, manufacturing construction, the suspending on manufacturing facilities was kind of flat lining, jumped up a little bit but never over $100 billion. we'll remember donald trump said he was going to make america great again in manufacturing. he persuaded the carrier corporation to keep a few hundred jobs as large costs of tax benefits. foxconn was suggested to invest $20 billion. they backed out and only invested a small amount of money. we have $189 billion of manufacturing spending since the biden inauguration that has been announced and expected so far

for this year. this will obviously create a lot of jobs. it's already created over 200,000 construction jobs. obviously, the manufacturing yet to come. >> that's incredible. what's your next chart show? >> we're going to talk about the reasons. the reasons are multiple but very heavily oriented around some of the policies that the president and the democratic leaders in congress have put in place. let's talk about the ira, the climate bill, whatever you want to call it. when that bill was passed, the congressional budget office thought about $390 billion of the tax credits would be used. they've raised their estimate to $570 billion. brookings thinks it is more like $780 billion. goldman sachs thinks it is $1.2 trillion. >> wow. >> normally, when we talk about government spending increasing, it is a bad thing. this is, in a sense, a good thing, because it means that companies are taking advantage of this bill, of the tax credits they get to build far more facilities than anyone really

expected when the bill was passed. just by example, let's take a look at battery plants. electric vehicles need batteries. we are going to try to make a lot of them here. you can see, again, that since the ira was passed, these are announcements of new battery plants that are being built all over the country. obviously, a good bunch in michigan, our traditional auto center. as you move down, many are going, actually, into red states, into indiana, into kentucky, tennessee, south carolina, georgia, kansas, places like that. these battery plants could produce 10 million to 12 million batteries a year for new electric vehicles. that is more than 50% of our current auto production that could become electric thanks to all these battery plants, plus all the other auto facilities that will be built, as well, to take advantage of that. >> wow. you say there are also two other new policies that are helping drive investment. what are they? >> yeah, there were these three

packages, the ira being the one that may ultimately have the biggest impact. but a couple other things, remember the infrastructure bill? $550 billion for everything from a lot of transportation but broadband, utility upgrades and things like that. that money is being spent now. as it gets spent, obviously, companies have to build facilities, create jobs and so on to produce the materials that are needed to build out all of this spending. lastly, remember the chips act which is about $52 billion of government tax incentives and grants for r&d for semiconductors. now, semiconductors are not just an economic benefit to us but a huge national security benefit to get more of that production here, currently in taiwan and other places that are not as secure. so you've had this huge increase in the number of semiconductor projects that have been announced, over $200 billion of projects. again, all over the country, a

bunch in upstate new york but also all of texas, kansas, all over the place. this is going to hopefully get us back in the game. phoenix, of course, which was the one that president biden visited a few months ago. >> all right. steve rattner, thank you very much. haven't you learned from rattner's charts? >> i always learn so much from steve. >> thank you, steve. we appreciate it. moving on, we have some politics to get to this morning. the republican controlled house of representatives voted to censure democratic congressman adam schiff yesterday over his role in the investigation and the first impeachment of former president trump. the resolution alleges that schiff, quote, spread false accusations that the trump campaign colluded with russia and abused his privileged access to classified information. it also states that schiff, quote, behaved dishonestly and

dishonorably on many other occasions, and misled the public and had conduct unbecoming of a member of the house of representatives. >> unbecoming -- >> this makes my head hurt. >> only if you want to cover up donald trump's activities and actions that marco rubio and the intel committee said in 2020 posed a grave threat to u.s. counterintelligence. >> can we talk about classified information, as well? >> unbelievable. they say nothing about that. republicans say nothing about that. this rare move narrowly passed the house, and it is usually reserved for really grave things, like, you know, post things like gosar did that suggests that he was going to kill another member of the house. medi hasan. susan page and jonathan lemire are still with us. i feel like pat sajak with the "wheel of fortune." i can do durham, pretending he

didn't know anything that happened in 2016. he knew nothing about russia cutouts. >> no clue. >> nothing about them releasing dirt on hillary clinton. knew nothing about that meeting that don jr. and family members submit, knew nothing. let's start with adam schiff for a second. they decide to attack adam schiff because he opened an investigation that marco rubio and the republican-led intel committee, a year later, a year later, would conclude that donald trump's campaign activities caused, and let me say it again, quote, a grave threat to u.s. counterintelligence. >> yeah, and you're right to highlight the senate intelligence committee report because that's the report republicans never want to talk about. they want to talk about, there was no collusion. mueller didn't find collusion, and they ignore the fact that marco rubio shared the senate intelligence committee, as you say, which mentioned the trump campaign was passing intel of

its own polling information to a russian intel asset, posed a threat to counterintelligence. they've rewritten the history of russia and the insurrection. remember, they accused adam schiff, marjorie taylor greene, of lying about the insurrection because she doesn't think it was an insurrection. i find it bizarre that this house has censured adam schiff, a house that contains george santos, right? a man who is being criminally investigated. we don't know who he is or his back story. they censure adam schiff. and there was paul gosar who put out a video threatening to kill aoc. matt gaetz who brought a holocaust denier to the state of the union. we can go through the whole house caucus if we need to. the idea they're censuring adam schiff on the democratic side? i'd ask this question to the democrats, this is a reminder why when democrats have power, they need to be more aggressive. when they control the house, they struggled to get gosar and

greene off committees. here the republicans are with a narrow majority, and they're not fighting gas prices or doing anything for the american people, but it is to censor adam schiff. >> yeah, let's talk about the biden, quote, crime family. they talk about crimes. you ask, what crimes? actually, comer admits, there are none. we don't know what's out there. "the wall street journal" editorial page says, just smoke there, no fire. comer admits, they're doing it just to bring down joe biden's approval ratings. then the most senior senator in the republican caucus, in the u.s. senate, says when pressed about the documents supposedly out there, "we don't care whether he is guilty or not. we don't care whether he did

anything wrong or not." it's incredible. this is how they are using their power. this is how they are using taxpayers' dollars. >> yeah. joe, for every republican accusation is a confession. it is all projection. everything they say is a very good guidebook to what they believe and want to do. weaponizing the justice department, we know that's what they want. they're not describing something that's happening, it's what they want to see done to the bidens. donald trump has already talked openly, when he becomes president, if he becomes president again, he'll put the department of justice on the bidens and investigate joe biden. that's exactly what they think biden is doing now. of course, the key fact, the heart of the hunter biden story is, this was a trump appointed u.s. attorney. this is a trump appointed u.s. attorney who says, you know, "i couldn't find any of the stuff they're talking about. i'll do this plea deal with hunter biden." then the most reckless reporting from the foxes and "wall street

journal"s with republicans saying, they dealt with this. even durham said when he was doing his investigation, garland never got involved. this great irony of talking about a biden doj, people say, if only the doj was as aggressive as republicans think it is. in fact, it is the opposite. as you say -- >> and -- yeah, you bring up two great points. durham, who made a total fool of himself yesterday, and then the prosecutor in delaware, both of them were holdovers. they're both trumpers. >> yup. >> biden, garland stayed away from them, let them do their job. tim scott is out there promising, "elect me, i will weaponize the donald trump." donald trump says, "elect me, i'll weaponize the justice department." there is a contract.

again, i want to go become to -- back to hunter biden. what we hear from these insur insurrectionists, weirdos and freaks, they si there's crimes but they never name a crime. then they say the media and deep start are covering it up. covering up what? i can show you "new yorker" articles from 2019 that laid bare, not just what hunter biden did, but what biden's family has done through the years. not illegal. perhaps unethical. and the concern around biden since 2013, that his son was embarrassing him. this has been reported on by "the new yorker," "the new york times" and "washington post." unlike right-wing pro-trump media outlets, this has been laid bare. yet, because republicans can't find a crime, they're going after the deep state. they're going after the dominant media. they're going after everybody that is victimizing and

triggering these poor snowflakes, because they can't find a crime. >> yeah, they can't find a crime. as you say, you mention the james comer line and the republican line that, "we don't care as long as we can damage joe biden." they've been clear about that. of course, we've seen this game before. kevin mccarthy, benghazi, hillary clinton. it was the exact same playbook. he went on fox and made a boo-boo. he admitted it then, we were trying to destroy hillary clinton's polling. this time around, they're doing the same thing again. they care less about admitting it because they have a coddled media environment. yes, it is clear what they are doing. james comer went on tv and said, we don't know if these allegations are legit. why are you obsessed with this? hunter bide season the boogeyman. i want to remind the american people, they gave the republicans a house majority, narrow one but a majority nevertheless, and this is what republicans do with their majority, censure adam schiff, endlessly investigate hunter biden. they don't care about people's health care or gas prices.

they don't care about people's education. >> all right. mehdi, stand by. we have a new development in the classified documents case against former president joe biden. a court filing issued yesterday reveals special counsel jack smith has turned over his office's first set of discovery to trump's defense team. this includes materials supporting the investigation for allegedly taking documents after leaving the white house and obstructing the government's efforts to get those documents back. the move comes after judge aileen cannon set a trial date of august 14th. according to the filing, the first batch includes the following, transcripts of testimony taken before grand juries in both washington, d.c., and south florida. and transcripts of all witness interviews conducted through may 12th. that means the former president's defense team now has

a preliminary list of witnesses slated to testify at trial. the prosecution also handed over all evidence obtained by a subpoena and search warrants, including reproductions of key documents and pictures mentioned in the 37-count indictment. all mar-a-lago security footage obtained by the department of justice and recordings of interviews with both trump and co-defendant walt nada. wow, that seems like kind of a lot. >> what's going to be fascinating is to see whether donald trump can follow the court order and not reveal this on social media or to the public. chances are very good since he continues to poke holes in his own case. >> he continues to add evidence. >> one admission after another admission after another admission. it'll be interesting to see whether he is eventually held in contempt of court because he just can't follow this order and

keep his mouth shut. >> joining us now, author and senior fellow gabriel schoenfeld. you have a piece published on bulwark plus entitled, "it's not the law's fault that trump broke it." this is a good point. you wrote in part, in defending the former president, his allies and apologists are, as usual, hurling spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. one of the spaghetti strands is an attack on the espionage statute itself. you then specifically point to an article by conservative "new york sun" writer eli lake entitled, "trump probably broke the law, but that law shouldn't exist, "referring to the espionage act of 1917. you take the piece to task, writing, quote, fortunately, such a law in reality doesn't exist, or at least it doesn't exist today. gabriel, explain what you mean

by that. >> eli lake is arguing that the law shouldn't exist because it's draconian punishments of what he calls dissidents in the united states. of course, that's rubbish because the prosecution of dissidents happened in the united states in 1918 to 1920. those provisions in the espionage act were abolished, and the law is a necessary law that protects american secrets. it needs to exist. i noticed that eli lake on twitter today was also chastising the government for prosecuting kendra kingsbury, the fbi analyst in oklahoma who has been sentenced now for leaking information. he is opposed to sentencing people who leak information or take information and mishandle it, and he is defending donald trump for doing this very grave threat to the united states security because he exposed very serious secrets through the vulnerable storage in

mar-a-lago, where they were just -- documents were spread about in public places. >> yeah, i mean, you know, jonathan lemire, we can look back and we can see, one co-called conservative -- these are radicals -- one conservative after another so-called conservative, when, you know, you first had edward snowden and other people that leaked classified documents, talking about the death penalty, talking about, you know, stringing them up, and now they've completely changed. now, you have people, like, going this far, saying there should not be laws against people who steal nuclear secrets, lie to the fbi about stealing nuclear secrets, and refuse to return those nuclear secrets, or secret war plans against iran. or, again, the intel assessment against some of america's greatest weaknesses and what we need to be the most worried

about. there are actually people out there that are suggesting, oh, no, we should allow americans to do this. again, something they should have never done five, six, seven years ago. probably wouldn't have done five months ago, until they found out donald trump stole nuclear secrets. >> i sometimes wonder if the reason party of 2003 or even 2013 would recognize what it has become, how it has -- >> no. >> yeah, how it has compromised so many of its principles and standards and values because of one man and one man alone, donald trump. gabriel, let's get you to go a little further here then. to that point, i mean, beyond this one law, but how concerned are you that this political party has thrown out so much of what it believes in in order to cling to power or cling to the coat tails of trump, hoping he will be in office again, out of fear and his supporters?

just this erosion of this party, how worried are you? >> i'm very worried. i think this is a very precarious moment for american democracy. i think the censure of adam schiff is a kind of turning point or a landmark in this process, where a man who actually played a heroic role in exposing the misdeeds of the trump administration, exposing donald trump's terrible behavior, has been censured for doing basically the honest job of congress. i'm extremely concerned that he could come back to power in a year and a half and there would be the collapse of american democracy before us. >> gabriel schoenfeld, thank you so much. we'll be reading the new piece for "the bulwark." >> thank you. >> mehdi, jonathan lemire said, boy, we may not recognize the party of 2003 or 2013 with this party now. i mean, why don't we take it to

2015 when lindsey graham was running around with john mccain and was inseparable from him. i mean, they would be the first, john mccain still would be. i mean, i can't imagine how angry john mccain would be with nuclear secrets being mishandled by donald trump, but lindsey graham has shifted. he's fine with secret iran war plans being mishandled by donald trump. he is fine with intel assessments about america's weaknesses being mishandled, stolen by donald trump and kept by donald trump, even when the government was trying to get them back in a safe place. >> yes. and i think it's amazing to see republicans openly, flippantly talking about disbanding the fbi, which is an amazing thing if you think about a few years ago. as for the espionage act, i want to pick up one important point. people like snowden, assange, you can say, people shouldn't be

prosecuted for leaking documents to the media. the espionage act used against whistleblowers is bad. as used against government officials who hoard security documents and lead to breaches of national security, that's a good thing. of course, you have to have a law that stops people from just stealing national secrets. it's interesting that donald trump's own administration -- i pointed this out on my show recently, i went through the list -- trump's doj between 2017 and 2021 prosecuted multiple people under the espionage act for taking documents home. kingsbury, the analyst you mentioned, is the latest, but there were people from the fbi, raytheon, the united states navy. half a dozen names come to mind of people who the trump doj prosecuted under the espionage act. it is the height of hypocrisy for trump and supporters to say, this shouldn't be a law. he shouldn't be prosecutors. >> mehdi hasan, thank you for coming on this morning. the show airs 8:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc on sundays and tuesdays

on peacock. great to have you on the show. thank you for coming on. new polling shows donald trump's second indictment is hurting his support with independents. in the latest emerson college survey, while democrats and republicans fall along party lines, half of all independents say trump's most recent indictment makes them less likely to support him in 2024. the primary matchup shows little change in the numbers between april and now. meanwhile, new reporting from "the washington post" shines a light on donor gifts given to florida governor ron desantis while in office, including private flights and transportation to political events, and even a golf simulator that was installed in the governor's mansion in 2019. "the post" reports the company that installed the simulator charges over $27,000 for its

basic model. that's pricey. joining us now, "washington post" national political reporter, isaac. any more about ron desantis? >> tell us about it, isaac. >> seems like the world's most expensive nintendo wii, basically. the disclosed price on the public records request we got was an acquisition cost of $1. obviously, the actual cost is tens of thousands of dollars. the way they did this, the florida ethics code is very clear, that the governor or any public official is not supposed to be taking gifts or benefits that a reasonable person could conclude were meant to influence a future decision or reward a past decision. and they wouldn't release the formal legal rational that they used to approve this, but based on just the one-page let their

they did are elise, the case that they're making is this isn't a gift to ron desantis. this is a loan to the governor's mansion that just is installed in the governor's cabana. that's the term for the place. and he is -- you know, that's not, like, the part of a mansion that's a museum, that you can go through with your school trip and visit and, you know, enjoy, everyone. this is the governor's cabana. this is for the governor. >> so, you know, the governor's cabana, that sounds nice. i'd like to visit. do you think this hurts governor desantis politically? you know, they're arguing that there wasn't a law violated. i guess we'll see in the course of time if that stands up to be true. but are there political repercussions for desantis, or does he shrug this off? >> well, if you look at the messaging that the governor has made in launching his presidential campaign, there is a heavy emphasis on his blue

collar roots in florida and his family being from pennsylvania and ohio, that region. presents himself as someone who grew up, you know, to whom nothing was given, no entitlement at all. what our reporting is showing, the combination of the golf of simulator and a habit that he has of flying private or private planes donated by his supporters is, you know, someone who has, since he has become governor, definitely become accustomed to a lifestyle that is far different from the one he grew up with. >> national reporter for "the washington post," isaac arnsdorf, thank you very much for being on this morning. we appreciate it. and still ahead on "morning joe," the senate's top two democrats, chuck schumer and dick durbin, will each join the conversation this morning. first, our next guest says

minnesota should serve as a model for the democratic party. governor tim walz is standing by and joining us next to explain. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. >> you look ating and right now, donald trump is trending update and joe biden is trending downward. i believe the media is looking around, scratching their head, and they're realizing the american people are keeping up with our investigation. they realize something is wrong here.

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underwater noises, but the nature of those noises remain unclear. and as the country comes up on the first anniversary of the overturning of roe v. wade this week, senate democrats are going on the offensive when it comes to abortion access. senate majority leader chuck schumer brought four bills to the floor yesterday that would protect a woman's right to abortion access and contraception. many republicans who would have their votes on the record ahead of the 2024 election dismissed the move as blatantly partisan. this comes as more and more states are passing restrictive abortion measures. however, in minnesota, lawmakers move to make it the first state to codify abortion rights this year. joining us now, democratic governor of minnesota, tim walz. governor walz, thank you so much for coming on the show. tell us more about your state

and how it's handling abortion access. and are you finding that women are coming to your state to get that health care? >> yeah. good morning, mika. yes, they are. unfortunately, they're traveling from across the country. we have the radical notion that we trust women to make their own health care decisions. we've seen this since the dobbs decision, and we in minnesota aren't going to let it stand. we have to make sure we're not just passively doing some things, were aggressively moving forward, to protect women, protect providers and protect the folks who, unfortunately, have to travel from across the country. in the neighborhood where i'm at, states all around me have the strictest abortion laws in the country, six-week abortion bans, no exceptions. i think it is important to get the story out there, there are states making moves. in minnesota, we're going to continue to expand freedoms. we're going to continue to make that a priority. >> susan page, you can take the next question to the governor,

but i know "usa today" has a report this morning on support for legal abortion rising. >> in our "usa today" poll, one in four americans tell us they are more supportive of legal abortion than they were before the dobbs decision came down. they have changed their opinion on an issue where public opinion was pretty well solidified to be more supportive of legal abortion. governor, i want to ask you, you talked about how minnesota has states around it that restrict abortion even at six weeks, and i wonder, are you worried about the consequences of having this patchwork of laws in the united states on this issue of access to apportion? -- abortion? >> it's horrific. you recognize this, especially women who are economically challenged, it is difficult. are you going to go to minneapolis, try to get a hotel?

i want applaud the non-profited, planned parenthood, they're trying to help with the access. we're going to see more complicated. it doesn't surprise me that those numbers are up in support of this because since the dobbs decision, a lot of americans, especially men, are educated that abortion is health care. these are absolutely -- they've heard the horrific stories of pregnancies gone bad, and i think many of these men are starting to say, look, this is my wife, my daughter, my sister, and this idea that for political reasons, to restrict a long-established medical procedure that helps women deal with and make their own choices is simply going to be popular. i do not know, the republicans have absolutely no agenda other than the restriction of rights, the collapsing of set precedents, and then bringing fear in. in minnesota, we're saying that's not going to happen, whether it is abortion, book banning, it is not going to stand. >> governor walz, i want to turn you to the economy now. there's been some good news suggesting inflation is cooling,

but for so many americans, it's still high. everyday items cost more than they believe they should. give us an update as to how folks in your state are doing, and what more do you think the federal government could do, or whether you at the state level could be doing to help americans and minnesotians in this case, to help with rising costs. >> thanks for the iija, the infrastructure dollars and the ira. what that being said, minneapolis was listed as the city with the lowest increase in inflation, but it's still high. i think what we did in minnesota is we made a commitment, and the whole agenda was to make life more affordable so it could be the best state to raise a family. whether it is sending back rebate checks which we're going to do, making sure we're making childcare affordable. our employers, we're home to 16 fortune 500 companies. there is a low unemployment

rate. we made free breakfast and launch for all students in schools. people say, well, lower income students got that. those are a challenge for folks that are making, you know, $80,000, $90,000 a year. i think moving those things to make life more affordable for the middle class, making those things that they care about, what does their children's education look like, access to health care, then sending back a little money in forms of checks, especially when school gets started this fall. we're still feeling it, but it is improving. i have to tell you, there is a sense of optimism out there. i saw your earlier segment, manufacturing, chip manufacturing, high tech manufacturing, we're the center of medical device manufacturing, medtronic, 3m, boston scientific, those companies, but it is spreading further than that. our children are seeing skilled trades and manufacturing as an opportunity for them. >> minnesota governor tim walz, thank you, in so many ways. thank you for being on the show

this morning. >> thank you, mika. all right. good to see you. coming up, democratic senator mark warner of virginia is our guest. he is co-chair of the senate india caucus, he will be attending the state dinner later tonight for indian prime minister modi. we'll talk to him about that and the push by some republicans to defund the fbi following donald trump's federal indictment. that's all ahead on "morning joe." from prom dresses to workouts and new adventures you hope the more you give the less they'll miss. but even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. although uncommon, up to 1 in 5 survivors of meningitis will have long term consequences. now as you're thinking about

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while manafort, the campaign chairman for donald trump, was giving this russian intelligence officer internal campaign polling data, russian intelligence was helping the trump campaign, weren't they? >> i don't -- i don't know that. >> you really don't know those very basic facts of the

investigation? >> i know the general facts, yes. there was a suggestion of a suggestion that the russians could help with damaging information as to mrs. clinton. >> by releasing it anonymously, right? that's exactly what happened, isn't it? >> i don't -- i don't -- >> you really don't know. >> i'm not sure exactly. when you say exactly what happened -- >> well, the russians released stolen emails through cutouts, did they not? >> there were emails. >> it's a very simple question. did they release information, stolen information through cutouts, yes or no? >> i'm not sure that -- >> you really don't know the answer to that? the answer is yes, they did. >> in your mind, yes. >> mueller's answer was yes. >> did anything in your report prove false that russians met with trump's family during the campaign at trump tower after an offer of dirt on hillary clinton? anything prove that that meeting didn't happen? >> i don't have any evidence

that that did not happen. >> anything to prove false that in the 2016 campaign, donald trump tried and concealed from the public a real estate deal he was seeking in moscow? >> i don't know anything about that. there's nothing in the report about it. it's not something we investigated. >> anything in your report prove false that donald trump publicly asked russia to hack hillary's emails, and hours later, they did? >> if you're referring to -- >> did you prove -- did donald trump not say, "russia, if you're listening, you should get hillary's emails?" did you prove he didn't say that? >> we didn't investigate that. >> did you prove false in the '16 campaign that trump's campaign manager gave polling data to a spy for a russian intelligence service? >> we didn't investigate that. >> after four years of investigating the fbi's decision to probe possible collusion between the trump 2016 campaign and russia, former justice

department special counsel john durham testified yesterday that he, quote, just didn't know basic elements of the investigation. let's bring in democratic senator mark warner of virginia. he's the chairman of the senate intelligence committee. he was vice chair of that committee when republicans ran it back in 2020. that's when that republican-led committee said interactions between trump's 2016 campaign manager, paul manafort, and a russian intelligence officer represented, quote, a grave counterintelligence threat. senator, it's good to have you on the show. to what do you attribute his inability to answer a question or remember anything? >> i don't get it. if john durham or anybody else wants to find out what happened between russians and the trump efforts in 2016, you can go out

and read all five volumes of the bipartisan, led by a republican senator, he was chair of the intelligence committee, where we interviewed literally hundreds and hundreds of witnesses and laid out, in more detail, frankly, than the mueller report did, all of these interactions. you can reach your own conclusion about what that means, but there is literally thousands of well documented pages that was incredibly and fully bipartisan. what this guy's failure to answer, maybe he was on a witness stage and he is at least enough of a lawyer not to purger himself, but these are well-known facts. even folks affiliated president trump campaign didn't deny most of the facts in the questions laid out. >> i mean, what would be -- any conclusions that you can draw as to why he wouldn't want to just come forward with information that was basic? >> mika, you got me.

but you've got this whole kind of jihad almost coming from some of these, you know, trump supporters, to try to say, you know, let's tear down the fbi. let's tear down law enforcement. let's basically incriminate everyone who has been in the law enforcement establishment for years. i never thought -- i'm now an old guy. i never thought i'd see a day when you have republicans leading this much of a republican charge against not only the fbi, but frankly, law enforcement, the committee at large. >> we wanted to ask you about the prime minister's visit today, the state dinner. he is going to be, we should note, answering questions in a news conference, maybe one oar two, but the first time he's been in a press sentence since taking power. there are human rights groups troubled by the appearance, the fact he is being feted by a

white house dinner. the president will address issues with the prime minister but do it privately, not put it on public displace. critics say, in the publish, it'd be more effective. what do you think should happen today? >> first of all, i'm proud of the fact the india caucus, my co-lead, john cornyn, republican senator from texas, we are the largest country-to-country caucus. 42 senators bipartisan. i think this relationship between india and the united states is quintessential in the 21st century. india is a nation india is a nation -- i was just there in february. most populous nation in the world. india's time on the world stage has finally arrived. they have great optimism. listen, as friends, i've expressed concerns on a host of fronts. i think we have a strong enough relationship to do that. i also know in terms of military

arm sales, in terms of trying to encourage india to get off the fence on russia in ukraine, trying to make sure that india is concerned with the challenges that china poses, this relationship and strengthening it -- we're the world's two largest democracies. we have to move that relationship forward. i think the prime minister's visit will help do that. >> senator, i would like to go back to our democracy. this hearing yesterday with john durham was one republicans called, but the democratic members of that committee seemed happier with how that hearing went than the republicans did. it's the democrats who continue the focus on and refer to the senate intelligence committee report that dealt with these issues. republicans not so much. has there been any credible attacks or corrections or errors

in the senate intelligence committee report that was brought out by your committee in a bipartisan way? >> well, that's the remarkable thing. we've got -- this is the most voluminous research and work on this issue. it was literally years and years of work. it was all bipartisan. thousands of pages. yet i don't think we've heard, to my knowledge, from senate republicans or house republicans about, one, the way we approached the subject, any of our findings. we did not draw a final conclusion on collusion, but we did lay out everything we learned and i think that document stands. if anybody wants to seriously look at what happened in 2016 and, as we now look at potential intervention from russia and other nation states, particularly with the advent of ai coming up in 2024, i think that document stands as the best

work yet and i say this with all due respect to the mueller report, it wasn't nearly as extensive. >> so, senator, i know you're involved with relocating the headquarters of the fbi. i'm curious about your thoughts on your republican counterparts who want to defund it. >> it's kind of wacky. i've grown up where republicans are the party of lay and order. we're in a ferocious competition with our friends in maryland about where the headquarters should go. i've not heard from the senate republicans. i've heard from the house republicans that we're going to

take it out on the fbi and not give them new headquarters. this building, the hoover building is literally falling in on itself. it's got dripping corridors. it's getting in some areas unsafe to work in. it's just a sign of disrespect to the tens of thousands of people who serve in the fbi all across the country, not just here in washington. you know, i know we're in that topsy turvy time of politics. in the trump era up is down and down is up. i think it's an enormous sign of disrespect to the fbi who in many ways working with our intelligence community protect our country. >> chairman of the senate intelligence committee, democratic senator mark warner of virginia, thank you. we'll be speaking with chuck schumer at the top of the hour. we'll be right back with much

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on this vote the yays are 213 and the nays are 209 with 6 answering present. the resolution is adopted. without objection the motion to consider is laid on the table. house will be in order. >> just about the top of the hour. you just heard the outrage from house democrats as speaker kevin mccarthy announcing the censure of adam schiff, retaliation for his work on donald trump's first impeachment. that was part of a contentious day on capitol hill. we'll explain what happened. meanwhile, there's concern among members of congress about the emergence of artificial

intelligence. chuck schumer is leading the effort to regulate the technology. he's going to join us in just a moment to talk about that and much more. also, ahead it's been 11 days since a fiery crash caused i-95 in philadelphia to collapse, cutting off a highway used by millions of americans. we'll get an update on the repairs from pennsylvania governor josh shapiro. first, more rescue ships have joined the search effort for that missing tourist sub near the "titanic." this after the canadian military detected underwater noises in the search area. it's unclear what those noises are. it's now estimated, if the vessel is intact, the passengers on board are now essentially out of time before their oxygen runs out. nbc news correspondent tom

costello has the details. >> reporter: an already urgent effort to find that missing sub in the north atlantic is kicking into a higher gear this morning as rescuers face an incredibly ominous fight against time. with the supply of air on the vessel that disappeared believed to be nearing its end. still, the coast guard and others are not slowing efforts. additional resources coming in by air and sea overnight and throughout the day. >> this is a search and rescue mission 100%. >> reporter: on wednesday canadian air crews reported once again hearing unusual noises in the water, which some said sounded like banging. experts are using specialized acoustic equipment to analyze the sounds. so far their efforts to identify a source has been inconclusive. >> there are a lot of sounds in

the ocean. >> that's right. a needle in the haystack to separate the sounds they hear. >> reporter: now video is emerging captured by a crew member on board the sub's mother ship, showing the moments the submersible began its descent. for families and friends of the passengers on board, it's been stressful. in pakistan this man says he's had a tough time sleeping. his long time friend and son are still down there. >> he was very adventure, but he's very kind. >> reporter: discovery's josh gate went inside the submersive

filming for his show. he says ultimately they scrapped plans to do an episode going all the way down to "titanic." >> we had issues with the computers aboard. i felt the sub needed more time and more testing. >> can you believe that though? >> no. >> we hear it time and again, jonathan lemire, this company puts together a submersible that, again, even somebody from a tv show and goes there are design flaws here. they're using joy sticks from xboxes and time and again they asked the owner to fix this up. "the new york times" was reporting a few days ago, for the experts who looked at it,

there were no sort of -- there was no question that this was not a safe vessel to be running this business operation out of. >> reporter: yeah, and the company ignored warning after warning. there are questions about the quality of the parts being used and it was a video came controller used to pilot the thing. let's recall here -- i was blown away by one of the graphics we showed. submarines, trillion dollar submarines go about 600, 800 feet deep. "titanic" is over 1,200 feet deep. time obviously really running short here. we're hoping for the best, but bracing for bad news. >> there are just basics beyond the plastic joy stick and the shoddy construction of this thing you see with these people

sitting inside. there's also one chance that it could be floating somewhere in the ocean. there's no way out. you can only open it from the outside. it's just -- the more you read about it, it's just incredible that people were paying $250,000 to go into this submersible. we'll be following that story. we turn to politics now. republicans control the house of representatives. yet, they remain decidedly unserious. unserious is a really -- >> let's quote logan roy. love you, but you are not serious people. >> they're not. they just censured a leading democrat, not for bad behavior or making threats, but for investigating russian influence in american elections. >> by the way, russian influence that freaked out the u.s. intel community in real time.

it would have been reckless if the fbi and people like schiff didn't investigate all the blinking red lights going off. >> these same republicans want to impeach president biden, not for trying to overturn an election as the previous president attempted, but rather over issues related to the long-standing problems at the southern border. >> you know, those problems they were at 50-year lows under barack obama and exploded under donald trump and continued under joe biden. >> these republicans howl about a deep state, even as the special counsel tasked with investigating it found nothing of substance. >> no charges. no convictions. in fact, 24 jurors told him they were way off the mark. >> of course these same republicans remain hyper focussed on the personal

challenges of president biden's surviving son. >> claiming to be searching for a crime that doesn't appear to exist. by the way, the investigations have been ongoing for sometime and the media has been talking about this for years, for years. yet they claim there's some deep state and dominant media coverup. it's just a lie. "the new york times," "the washington post," the wall street journal, they've all been covering this. let's bring in majority leader chuck schumer. mr. majority leader, thank you for being with us. how do you govern with such unserious people in the house? >> the contrast is so apparent. they're in charge of the house and they seem to be in a frenzy who can be the craziest, who can move the furthest right, who can

impeach this one? look at what we did when the house and senate was democratic. we passed records amount of legislation, dealing with gun safety, reducing the cost of prescription drugs, bringing jobs back to america. the contrast is amazing. we want to help the american people. they seem to be in a echo chamber. one says something outlandish, someone else wants to out do them. this is not what the american people want. >> on this program time and again we talk about -- i'm sure you would agree with me a difference between republicans in the house and a lot of your colleagues in the senate, a lot of them, not all them, but a lot of them act more responsibly and don't chase conspiracy theories.

i would be remiss if i didn't bring up chuck grassley. chuck grassley admitting they're searching for documents to prove that joe biden is part of a crime sind cat, but on tv admits he doesn't care if there's anything there or not but they want his numbers to go down. >> let's look at the good side. of the eight major bills we passed, seven were bipartisan. yesterday i announced a major effort to deal with ai. it's bipartisan. the four leaders and myself and senator heinrick, we're doing that in a bipartisan way. there are some people in the senate who almost are in sync with some of these house people who are way out there. there are a good number of

republican senators who want to legislate. they may not agree with us on every issue, but they're willing to come together. when it comes to ai, that's something we have to do in a bipartisan way. every one of these stories is important, but the long-term effect on the american people and on the world, ai, which has tremendous promise, but tremendous danger as well, has to be looked at. let me say this about that, joe and mika, if the government doesn't get involved, we're lost. china will get ahead of us in this area and set ai and their algorithms in an autocratic way focusing on facial recognition and surveilling people. even here in america, if the government doesn't get involved, there will be no guardrails. we need to innovate. we need to stay the leader in innovation. america has always done that,

but there have to be guardrails to protect against bad people using this. to make sure it doesn't deal with sort of racist and stereotypes. to make sure that people's intellectual property is protected. there's so much that we have to do and this is -- i love the contrast between what we're doing in a bipartisan way, getting our arms around this important subject, a difficult one, and the republicans in the house just in a frenzy. >> mr. majority leader, good morning. it's jonathan lemire. let's go further on ai thing. one of the challenges -- tell us how you plan to approach -- is ai, which has so much promise, but potentially so much danger, is evolving so rapidly. how do you regulate? how do you come up with legislation to come up with this framework for something that's

changing by the moment? >> i've called for a framework which we call safe innovation. that's security, accountability, democratic foundations and something called explainability. when the ai system spits out something, you know where it comes from. we also in reference to your question, jonathan, we've come up with a new process which we call insight forums. starting in september we're going to bring all the experts with contrasting views around nine different issues in ai and have them meet and discuss and go back and forth and guide us in what can be the right solutions. we have to move -- we can't move so fast like some europeans did that you miss the boat, but you can't move so slowly that it gets ahead of us. if i had to give a time table when we'll come up with our

proposal, it will be months from now. that seems the appropriate timeline. >> senator schumer, i want to move to abortion. we're coming up on the year anniversary, if we can believe it, of roe v. wade being overturned. senate democrats are planning a big push to try and help women with this issue. what can be done, especially for women in states with these really tight restrictions and six-week bans? >> yeah, i mean, it's amazing what governor desantis did in florida, a six-week ban. many women don't even know they're pregnant at six weeks. it's cruel and so demeaning to women and women's health and women's right to protect their own bodies. they're doing all kinds of crazy things in so many states and lots of the republican senators and congressman want to do the same, prosecuting people who help people cross state lines so

they can have their right to choose in states they're allowed. trying to ban the medication that allows abortion. we democrats believe it's an issue where we're right. it's the moral thing to do. a maga extreme right group on the supreme court took that right away. the contrast of republicans and democrats is enormous. we're going to the floor and challenging bans that would keep mifepristone legal. we hope maybe our republican colleagues would join us. in the past they have not. the republican party is for a national abortion ban. they're not content with what

the roe v. wade repeal did when the supreme court did it. it's an issue we'll keep front and center because the american people are on our side. i believe if we keep at it, we will win because the american people are on our side and we'll prevail and restore a women's right to choose. >> mr. leader, it's susan page. i wonder what you think the prospects are for passing anything in this congress for the rest of the session? the republican-controlled house and democrat-controlled senate raised the debt ceiling without too much drama. i wonder if what we're seeing on the house floor is a preview of what is to come over the next year and a half. what are the odds that significant legislation gets through the two houses and to the president's desk? >> well, it's hard because of the craziness in the house and

speaker kevin mccarthy seems to be bowing to these hard-right people who are so far away from where the american people are. in the senate we have republicans we can work with. here are some of the things we'll try and get done in the senate with bipartisan support. most of the things need bipartisan support, 60 votes. one example, as you know last year you were able to cap the cost of insulin at $35 for senior citizens on medicare. we got seven republican votes, not enough, when we tried to do it for everyone else. now there are bipartisan proposals, senator grassley is involved, senator cassidy is involved. we're trying to come up with a proposal that will cap insulin at $35. there's bipartisan support about claw backs, these bankers who

misused their money. a bipartisan bill yesterday led by senator brown and senator tim scott, a republican. we're trying to focus on things where the republican senators join us and then we think there will be pressure on the voice. the quiet voice are the mainstream republicans who seem to be letting the hard right run the republican show. our hope is if the senate can come together on a bipartisan basis on important pieces of legislation, then this house will feel the pressure, particularly maybe some of the more mainstream republicans. there are no moderate republicans left. let's call them mainstream. mainstream republicans will get a little courage, speak up and tell mccarthy we have to do things for the american people instead of all this craziness. >> senator majority leader chuck

schumer, thank you for being on this morning. >> likewise. joe, the yankees did win two games. your red sox and my yankees are fighting for last place. >> we're fighting for last place in the best league in baseball. >> true that. >> if we were in the american league central, we would be in first place. >> that's true. >> a long season as you know better than anyone. >> now the baltimore orioles are ahead of both of us. >> it stings, doesn't it? >> all right, guys. thank you, senator. a few other stories, the u.s. postal service is honoring john lewis on its newest stamp. >> it's great. >> the stamp commemorating the

lawmaker was revealed at the house yesterday. lewis helped organize the march on washington in 1963 and let the march from selma to montgomery across the pettis bridge in 1965. the postal service plans to rename atlanta's main post office after lewis. the two people who backed the $500,000 bail for congressman george santos will have their names publicly revealed today. >> they probably won't get stamps. >> a federal judge ordered their names be disclosed at noon. >> santos who surrendered to authorities in may and pleaded not guilty to 13 criminal counts has been fighting to keep them anonymous. his lawyers said that santos would rather surrender to

pretrial detainment than have them revealed. the co-signers don't have the option to withdraw bail before their names are released. a lawyer for santos did not immediately respond to requests for comment. and the massachusetts international guardsman accused of sharing pentagon secrets on social media pleaded not guilty in federal court yesterday. he was indicted last week by a federal grand jury in boston on six counts of willful retention and transmission of national defense information. prosecutors say he transcribed and shared photos of information he obtained on social media. they say one of the documents he leaked including information about a foreign adversary's plan to target u.s. forces abroad. the justice department said he posted secret information about the ongoing war in ukraine and

intelligence information on u.s. allies. >> the 21-year-old is considered a flight risk. if convicted on all six counts, he could face up to 60 years in prison and a $1.5 million fine. >> jonathan lemire, we said this about donald trump and i would say this also about this guy here. caught red handed like donald trump. it's time to figure out if there's any plea deal that can be made, if he wants to cut that 60-year sentence down, i would say the same thing with donald trump. things are only going to get worse. they'll get worse in new jersey. other indictments probably coming in georgia. at some point he should sit down with a lawyer and figure out if there's some universal deal he could make with prosecutors because right now this is headed

in a serious direction. even if he's elected president of the united states and even if those trials are held after the election, i doubt they will, he can't pardon himself in georgia. if he's convicted in georgia, there's no pardoning. >> to that, georgia has always loomed for some people in trump's orbit as maybe the scariest case because of that reason. we're taking a couple leaps here, that trump would get elected and a self-pardon, that would be tested. >> i don't think the court will ever go for that, not this court. if you look back at what they've done over the past couple of years, yeah, people that are thinking in trump world that the robert's court would go along with a self-pardon are kidding themselves. >> even if they were able to complete that bank shot, which is unlikely, georgia wouldn't apply. it's a state charge. he wouldn't be able to do that.

there's so much here. there's been speculation of a plea deal. there's a skepticism that trump would go for it. if the legal walls are closing in, perhaps he could be convinced. would that be he would agree to never run for office again? the question is would the doj go for it? perhaps. they have him dead to rights. there's no incentive there in terms of a pure criminal case that they would need to. the section of i-95 that collapsed will re-open this weekend, weeks ahead of schedule. 11 days ago a truck carrying gasoline crashed and caught fire causing the stretch of road to cave in. pennsylvania officials say once they get travellers back on the road work will begin on a

permanent fix. joining us now, pennsylvania democratic governor, josh shapiro. i guess you had people working around the clock and then some on this. >> that's right. good morning, mika. literally 24/7 the women and men of the philadelphia building trades have been unbelievable. i mean they've worked through the heat, through the rain. the phillies had to postpone their game last night because of game, yet these folks continued to work on i95. proud of the work they're doing. we're showing the country what philly great is all about. we'll get this road re-opened this weekend for traffic. >> that's amazing. governor, susan page is with us and has a question. >> governor, are you concerned this accident involving a truck could so dismantle this critical artery? should we be concerned about

what caused this disaster? >> well, look, the cause of the disaster, of course, was the fire and just the excessive heat underneath the bridge. ntsb, the pennsylvania state police and others are investigating that. i'll let others do their work. my job was to make sure we got this bridge fixed. folks said it would take months and months. we got our team together and we'll get this bridge re-opened in about a couple weeks. >> philadelphia is a city near and dear to the heart of our president, president biden. setting aside his personal connection there, can you speak to the partnership between the state and federal government and the role that played to getting this repair done so far ahead of schedule. >> look, this would not be getting done at this clip but for the president of the united states and his team. let me be clear. i signed, as governor, a

disaster declaration which freed up about 7 million bucks in state dollars. it allowed us to cut through the red tape. the federal government stepped in and said they would pay 100% of the cost. president biden called regularly and we took a tour in marine 1 over the site a few days ago. secretary buttigieg and his team, these people have been awesome to deal with. i'm grateful to the federal government for their efforts here. obviously the president cares a lot about philly. the president and his team were great partners. i'm thankful to the white house. >> that's fantastic. governor on another important note, the phillies have had quite a run and now within a couple games of the wild card.

what's the outlook for your phillies the rest of the season? >> you know, they've been streaky as hell, which i don't love. they'll win a number of games, lose a number of games. they're hot right now. i think we need some help in our bullpen. trey turner is getting good. great to have harper back. we have a hell of a lineup. if we can match that up with the pitching, we can go deep in the playoffs. i turned 50 the other day and my kids took me to the phillies for a game. it was a great night and cool to be with my kids. >> such a young man. >> he is a young one. >> children having children. >> happy birthday. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, thank you very much. >> thanks. still ahead on "morning joe," a republican-led effort to

impeach president biden gets sidelined for now. what it says about the challenges house speaker kevin mccarthy faces in controlling members of his party. plus, one of our next guests says trump seems to be afraid, very afraid. the atlantic's tom nichols joins us with his latest piece. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ." we'll be right back.

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don't like? >> uh-huh. yep. it was introduced by colorado congresswoman lauren boebert. she had wanted to hold an immediate floor vote, but speaker kevin mccarthy urged her to go through the committees that are investigating the president. boebert says she's fine with going through the process, but won't give up her fight. telling reporters last night, if her proposal doesn't advance out of committee like she was promised, she will bring a privileged resolution every day for the rest of my time here in congress. thank you, lauren boebert. congresswoman boebert and her colleague marjorie taylor greene were involved in a heated conflict. the two were fighting over boebert's resolution to impeach president biden. greene had also filed articles

of impeachment, but boebert leveraged a tool to force a vote on her resolution within days. greene says the colorado representative copied her legislation. boebert denies that allegation. she said, quote, marjorie is not my enemy. joe biden and the democrats are destroying our country. my priority are to correct their bad policies and save america. uh-huh. greene also acknowledged the feud, telling -- saying she told boebert what she thinks of her. greene said boebert only introduced the resolution for fund-raising. it's throwing out red meat so people will fund her campaign. >> susan page, here we see, again, a race to impeach joe biden for policies they don't like. let's just be very clear here.

when people are talking about how reckless adam schiff was for leading the first impeachment, that impeachment, the first impeachment, was because congress passed funding for defense weaponry to ukraine. donald trump stopped that. stopped the delivery of those weapons to ukraine. got on the phone with zelenskyy and said that he might be able to do it, but first zelenskyy needed to dig up dirt on joe biden. >> oh, my god. >> and joe biden's family. something i never remember happening in the united states' history. something that is clearly an impeachable event. a commander in chief actually stopping congressionally mandated funding, defensive weapons for ukraine, because he wants political dirt from a foreign leader.

again, that's what adam schiff is censured for in part. now we have these impeachments based on policy differences. >> well, let's talk about unintended consequences. what's the consequence for adam schiff politically? it's to bolster his fund-raising for his senate race. it's to burnish his credentials as someone who stands up to republicans and investigated former president trump. what are the consequences of pursuing these impeachment matters against president biden for republicans? i think it might be something -- might be the kind of backlash we saw with the clinton impeachment where it helped democrats in the 1998 midterms to have republicans pursuing an impeachment proceeding that americans thought didn't make sense. it's not a good thing to be censured by the house, but it's

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be fired on the spot. a former fbi analyst has been sentenced to four years in federal prison for very similar charges against donald trump. a judge handed down the sentence to kendra kingsbury after she pleaded guilty. she took hundreds of classified documents just like trump. took them home just like trump. many containing intelligence efforts. hers wasn't as serious as donald trumps because she wasn't showing them to anyone. the judge basically said, what in the world were you thinking taking documents pertaining to america's national defense and leaving them in your bathroom? does that sound familiar, ken?

>> reporter: yeah, joe. kendra kingsbury was a counter intelligence analyst for the fbi. she took home all sort of documents, 20,000 documents they found, 386 which were classified. one more difference between her and donald trump, the most sensitive document she took home were classified at the secret level, not the top secret level, which was the designation given to many of the documents found at donald trump's mar-a-lago. her lawyers asked for probation. they cited some bad circumstances in her life, health struggles, death of relatives. the judge went along with almost all of the government's recommendation and said it was a serious threat to the national security of the united states. in the sentencing memo, the

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welcome back as we celebrate pride month. a new nbc news studios documentary is shining a light on a community that is often overlooked. the film "everybody" which will be released in theaters next friday follows three intersex people as they live their lives. take a look. >> three, two, one! ♪♪ >> society generally considers that biological sex is cut and dried. actually, it's not cut and dry. we don't fall neatly into that male/female box. i was born intersex. although i was born with a

vagina, i was also born with internal testes. >> joining us now, the film's director and emmy award winning julie cohen. thank you so much for doing this and for coming on the show with us. what impact are you hoping this film will have on those who see it? >> yes. well, i'm really hoping that it increases awareness. a lot of people don't know what intersex means. it is a biological thing. i'm hoping that gets people to understand what intersex conditions mean and what can be done to help those people be understood and live fuller lives. >> i think it's far more compelling to hear from the people themselves. that's what you do in this film. but for our viewers and for

those who don't really understand, what does it mean to be intersex, and what are some of the issues, surgeries and problems compounded by being intersex in a culture that may not fully understand it? >> this is a matter of biology. these are people who, by nature of their anatomy and/or their chromosomes don't fit neatly into those male or female boxes that we're often told are the only two options for human existence. one of the biggest problems for intersex people is often unnecessary surgeries aimed at fitting them more in a box, saying, there's some inclarity here so we need to turn this baby or child into a girl even if that's not the gender the child might identify as for

biological reasons. >> here's another clip from the film where intersex actor river gallow discusses learning to love themselves after coming out as intersex. >> do you see that you're beautiful? >> it's so funny, because sometimes honestly i won't know what i look like. and then i look at myself in the mirror and i'm like, oh my god, i'm stunning. since coming out of intersex, i definitely feel more beautiful. i don't mean that like, oh, i got hot, but as more like i got the confidence to start showing up however i'd want to show up. >> wow. i did it. that is exciting. drama for the gala. >> so, julie, i'm also curious

about if you look into the surgeries that often intersex children go through, these are surgeries decided by the parents and doctors. does it make sense to wait on this, because bodies haven't fully formed and you don't know exactly where the identification part may come to be? what is your position on that? what does this film address on that topic? >> i think that's what a lot of the intersex activists are calling for. when a baby is born intersex, unless there's some medically necessary reason for the surgery, which often there is not, the idea is don't do major irreversible surgery on a child until you allow the child to come to a sense of their own gender identity, and perhaps don't do it at all if it's not

necessary. human bodies have many different variations and sometimes that can be just fine. >> "every body," the new documentary from nbc news studios is out in theaters next friday. emmy winner julie cohen, thank you very much for doing this film and coming and sharing it with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you, mika. it is the very top of the fourth hour of "morning joe." 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. in the east. in about an hour, president biden will welcome indian prime minister modi as part of an official state visit that will include a bilateral meeting, followed by a state dinner later this evening. let's get the details from kelly o'donnell live at the white house. what more are you learning about this specific state visit?

>> reporter: as you well know, a state visit is the highest level of diplomatic honor to be given to another foreign leader. it's only happened three times in the biden administration. that tells you right off the bat the significance of the relationship between the united states and india. there are a lot of different issues where these two leaders will come together and try to strengthen and use their personal relationship to try to bring about some changes. this will be a meeting today that includes not only all the pomp and ceremony on the south lawn, it will also include the prime minister speaking to congress and the state dinner tonight. all of those trappings are also about some very nitty-gritty work they're doing to have what are, in diplomatic speak, are the deliverables . they'll have conversations about technology and minerals, things that are very important in the

power of the indian economy and its place in the u.s. strategy. it's so critical for president biden to have a strong relationship with india. at the same time, although this is the most populace democracy in the world, modi, who is very popular at home, has in some judgments been sliding toward autocracy and away from some of the democratic norms. he doesn't engage with the press much. he has been tough on political opponents. there are issues about the muslim minority in india. all of these things will be the subject of conversations with the president and the prime minister. they have secured a press opportunity where the american journalists who are part of our white house press corps will have a chance to ask questions,

as will the indian journalists who will be here. that is very important for prime minister modi. >> let's follow up on one more subject, a thorny issue between these two nations. that's how india has stayed neutral in the war between russia and ukraine and has continued to purchase russian gas, sending a lot of money to putin to fund his war machine. how do we anticipate the president is going to bring that up? what are aides telling you? >> reporter: we certainly expect that is a big topic here, because certainly president biden has tried to solidify as many of the world powers against the war in ukraine as possible. we expect to see some announcements related to military equipment. india has also relied on russian military equipment. they have a very tense relationship with their neighbor pakistan. getting them away from some of

the dependence they've had not only on fuel and energy but on military equipment will be necessary to try and get india not to be in a posture that is not just neutral, but perhaps not supportive of russia. >> kelly o'donnell. >> great to get to say hi to you as well, joe. >> thank you. justice samuel alito is taking issue with questions raised over a luxury vacation he took with a wealthy hedge fund manager who later had business before the supreme court. doesn't seem right, does it? propublica reports he went on a fishing trip to a $2,000 a night

luxury report in alaska. the justice flew there on a private jet that would have cost roughly $100,000 one way. according to pro publica the trip was paid for paul singer, who at the time was trying to get the supreme court to take up a case that involved his company. the justice did not report the trip on his annual disclosure forms, which experts say may be a violation of a federal law that requires justices to disclose most gifts. the supreme court ultimately declined to take singer's case on that appeal, but in the years that followed, singer's business went before the court at least ten times, including a 2014 case in which alito sided with the majority in singer's favor, raising ethical concerns. in response to the report, justice alito denied any

wrongdoing. in an op-ed in the "wall street journal," alito wrote he believed he was not required to disclose the trip on the private jet, adding that seat would have otherwise have gone unoccupied and that a commercial flight would have imposed costs onto taxpayers. >> first of all, i've been reading the "wall street journal's" defense of alito's behavior. to say that it's strains credulity is a generous take. paul singer can invite whomever paul singer wants to invite on trips anywhere, and justice alito can go on those trips. there is obviously a big question of, first of all, disclosure and recusal. should you recuse yourself,

that's something that's up to each justice. there are some questions on whether he even knew that paul singer was involved in some of these lawsuits. the "wall street journal" suggests that he did not. propublica is a bit more mixed on that. at the very least, listen, i would love to go boating with john roberts, but i would tell everybody john roberts dropped by my house and said, joe, let's go boating. i would be like, that's awesome and i would have a great time. but when i came back on, i talked about how john roberts was an institutionalist and he was trying to protect the court and i'd say something positive about him. then i'd say, listen, i did go boating with john roberts. you at least would think if he

got a $100,000 flight to alaska, that alito would at least feel compelled to report that. we'll ask dick durbin. he's coming on soon. again, the "wall street journal" muddies it up and says you didn't have to do it until 2005 and this is 2008 or nine and he didn't need to do it. it's difficult to follow the "wall street journal" editorial other than trying to cover for sam alito. at the very least, jonathan, if not taking himself out of the case, at least disclose it, because it was a 7-1 vote. it wouldn't have hurt anybody for him to say i'm going to stay off this case or let me disclose

i got $100,000 flight. >> did you turn into thurston howell on that trip with john roberts? >> thurston howell the iii. >> this comes at a moment when there's extraordinary scrutiny on a number of these supreme court justices. we know clarence thomas has received most of this scrutiny. justice gorsuch has some as well and now justice alito. the "wall street journal" allowing justice alito to sort of rebut the story by getting his side out.

the whole thing seems unusual and certainly an attempt to muddy the waters. i know senate majority whip dick durbin has been saying that there needs to be a more substantial code of ethics for the supreme court. so many americans feel like the court is politicized and at times compromised. stories like this are only going to further that perception. >> let's bring in dck durbin of illinois. we're always talking about double standards here. i served with a member of congress who went to ireland on a golfing trip with a lobbyist, came back, later said something bland on the house floor, but nothing that made any newspaper reports and he ended up in jail. here you've got a supreme court justice who flies to alaska,

gets $100,000, comes back and votes on at least one case. i'd be shocked if he didn't know that paul singer was involved in that argentina case. shouldn't you recuse yourself? shouldn't we have basic ethical guidelines at the supreme court that makes these justices, left and right, disclose those financial entanglements? >> of course we should. that one ruling by the supreme court in paul singer's favor was worth $2.4 billion to his company. we're not talking about minor rulings on issues that are irrelevant. this is substantial. the disclosures about justice alito strangely are parallel to the same disclosures about

justice thomas. there's a feeling in the supreme court that it's none of our business, the public doesn't need to know and the justices don't need to recuse themselves from critical decisions worth billions of dollars from people who are befriending them on vacations. there's one person that can end it before the sunsets today. that's justice roberts. it's time for a code of ethics for the supreme court. not doing so is really at the expense of the reputation of the court. >> i will say he's an institutionalist who has at times fiercely tried to protect the reputation of the court. so you would think he would do that. i do wonder, senator, how much power do you have? what is your jurisdiction in the

united states congress to pass that sort of code of ethics? the supreme court didn't used to be as powerful as it is. in fact, it used to sit in the basement of the capitol. >> i could just tell you this. we passed a law last year about disclosure of stock ownership. the justices of the court assumed it applies to them and they were going to comply with it. we found too many cases where justices were ruling on corporations that they owned stock in. that had to come to an end. they accepted the law we passed last year as a standard they would live by as well. in the cases of alito and thomas they failed to disclose very basic things. joe, you and i know serving in congress what the rules are of what you have to disclose each

year annually on your financial disclosure. at a minimum, the supreme court justices ought to be held at the same standard. >> let's talk about the shameful display of john durham in the house pretending that he didn't know about activities that marco rubio's intel committee in the senate said posed a grave risk to u.s. counter intelligence. claimed he didn't know anything about that, that he didn't know anything about russian cutouts like wikileaks that were releasing leaked hillary clinton e-mails, that he didn't have any information about donald trump at a press conference asking the russians to search for those e-mails. claimed that, quote, he didn't follow the news much. what do we say about a once respected prosecutor, who just

basically started engaging in the worst strain of trumpism? >> this muddled chapter in american history does not reflect well on him or those around him. we know what was going on because it was disclosed and publicized across the nation. the russians were doing their best to influence the election. the involvement of former president trump, of course, is an issue that is separate but important. those trying to cover up this chapter in history are not doing the nation a good service. >> can i ask your response to the person who was sent to jail for four years for storing national secrets in her bathroom, secrets certainly not as sensitive as those that donald trump held? are we going to see equal just

justice under the law not just for average americans but also for ex-presidents? >> this is not just a piece of paper that has words stamped on it. behind these pieces of paper are people who risk their lives for america and our troops so they'll be safe defending this country. it isn't just a minor paperwork offense. it goes way deeper. a person faced a sentence of almost 11 years for the same type of activity. we ought to take this seriously and let the process of the court proceed. politicians ought to keep their noses out of it from both parties and let this finish in the appropriate judicial way. >> chairman of the senate judiciary committee democratic senator dick durbin of illinois,

thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. another sign house republicans remain unserious about governing, they wanted to impeach president biden, not for trying to overturn the election as the previous president attempted. >> or to try to bribe foreign leaders to dig up dirt on their political opponents by holding up defensive military weapons. >> starting an insurrection. nope. but rather over issues relating to the longstanding problems at the southern border. let's bring in staff writer tom nichols and olivia fevers. olivia, you have new reporting that there were two other impeachment resolutions in the works by republicans, which only adds to the uphill battle for speaker kevin mccarthy to unite his party. you write, quote, conservative

hard liners are racing to force doomed votes hitting the president, frustraing battleground seat members. tell us about it. >> you saw basically an inflection point. we've been waiting for house republicans to get to this place. they've been talking about impeachment for a long time. when lauren boebert went to the floor and said she would be introducing a recommendation forcing her colleagues to vote on impeachment for joe biden, other republicans started coming forward saying, well, i had some i was looking to introduce. you talked about it earlier on your show this morning, but that was what the marjorie taylor greene lauren boebert fight was about, saying you copied my articles of impeachment. that sort of gives you a taste of this appetite. when i was asking marjorie taylor greene about whether

there was hypocrisy and republicans charging forward because they were arguing that democrats didn't give the former president due process after january 6th, she goes, well, that's what happens. they opened pandora's box and we're going to use their tools as well. you're seeing them trying to push forward on it. this is going to upset the moderate and rank and file members and it's going to be a huge headache for mccarthy if they keep charging forward on this. >> tom nichols, who would have ever seen this coming? who would have ever seen a house now run in large part by marjorie taylor greene, because that's the house that kevin mccarthy signed up for. who would have ever seen this coming? you look at the clown show and these are people that say the democrats were progressive and wacky and weren't paying

attention to the economy or inflation or gas prices. here they are with impeachments over policy, still talking about the biden crime family when they can't name a single crime. they can only talk about driving the numbers down and still defending an ex-president who stole nuclear secrets. >> you knew it was coming when kevin mccarthy had to jump through 15 votes to become speaker. at the very least, we knew this was coming for some months. but it's also the tale end of a longer process of electing people whose entire electoral platform is lib owning and kind of being online and sort of who can be the meanest girl in the cafeteria or the toughest bully in the schoolyard.

i was watching this and i was thinking back to when i worked in the senate years ago, how overwhelmed i felt about trying to figure out the difference between an authorization and an appropriation and trying to figure out where the markup was happening and which bill affected our people in our state and on and on. i watch this and i say, they don't care about any of that. this is all the nationalization of politics so that this isn't really about a district in georgia or a district in kol colorado. kevin mccarthy wants to be speaker and all these other folks want to be in washington on tv and doing crazy stuff. in the meantime, is anybody

passing any bills? >> you know, joe biden is getting some bipartisan bills passed with the help of republicans in the senate and a few in the house. the thing that i don't think a lot of people understand is, the crazier you act in the republican party, the more money you raise. you look at mtg and all the money she raises and other people that say extreme things, it's all gesturing to raise money. the tell was that mtg accused lauren boebert of doing this because she had to raise a lot of money by the end of the quarter. well, the pot calls the kettle black. olivia, the thing is, if people understand that kevin mccarthy has a huge headache right now, this would be fun if everybody

came from really bright red districts, but kevin mccarthy knows he's only speaker for two reasons, one because the new york legislature didn't know basically how to fix their districts in a way that wouldn't be overturned by courts, and the second reason is because of, what, 14 or 15 republicans elected in biden districts. these extreme measures, when they force these people to vote on these extreme measures, aren't these people from bright red districts only making sure they're going to be in the minority next time? >> it puts them in a really difficult position, joe, because when they're on the record voting against it, then you have these right-wing influencers saying they should be primaried and you might not have a more conservative able to take that seat. i was talking to a few of them even before lauren boebert

introduced her resolution. i talked to mike garcia from california, a battleground republican, he was saying this is ridiculous. this is what we were hitting democrats on and they're going to bring this forward without enough evidence to claim the president should be impeached. in other words, there's a fear that looking overzealous and too partisan and political will blow back on them, but some of the conservative wings of that party don't really seem to care that might have an impact on their more centrist members. >> they don't care whether they're in the majority or not. they say crazy things, they raise money. in the minority, they say crazy things they raise money in the majority. they probably raise even more money when they're in the minority because they can do the snowflake routine, oh, the whole

world is against me. >> let's talk about their leader donald trump. tom, you have a piece entitled "trump seems to be afraid, very afraid." what are you seeing? >> if you've been watching donald trump for years, as so many of us have had to, what struck me about his interview on fox is how off balance he seemed and how defensive and how scared he seemed in an environment that you would have expected him to be a lot more comfortable. i think john kelly put it well when he said he was scared s-less. that seems to come across. it seems like trump having to go

to federal court and sit there under the watchful eye of jack smith has had some kind of effect on him, because his whole performance in those two nights on fox was just a huge showcase of trump's usual tells, of the nervous sniffling, the according hands and the verbal ticks, and rambling on in a very defensive way and basically, as chris christie put it the other day, possibly confirming he engaged in obstruction of justice because he just couldn't stop talking. he seems pretty off his game to me and he seems very scared at this point, to me. >> tom nichols, thank you very much. we'll be reading your new piece for the atlantic. and politico's olivia beavers, thank you as well for your reporting this morning. >> jonathan lemire, you were

reporting a week or two ago, we were sharing notes with people we had spoken to that are close to donald trump before the indictment came out that, despite all the bloviating publicly and the strutting around, he was actually really scared about the upcoming federal indictment. >> no question. he's only grown more so. we know that from people we're talking to in the last couple of days saying that trump is anxious about this. he feels like jack smith is immune to his usual smokescreen intimidation tactics. donald trump is telling us himself on truth social. often the bravado and bluster he puts forth on a rally stage, he pulls back the curtain a little bit. his true feelings kind of come

out when it's just him and his phone. just this morning alone there have been three all-caps messages claiming this is a witch hunt, going after jack smith, demanding that republicans in congress have his back. there's real worry here about where this is going to go. people close to trump also know we're nowhere near the end. more indictments are to come. >> the world thanks you for following truth social so we don't have to. >> i don't want to look. >> we appreciate it. second thing, think about the timing this morning. you talk about a tell. he's so bad. he must be the worst poker player ever. he got to see what the feds had against him yesterday. he got to see the evidence.

wasn't that disclosed to him yesterday? >> yeah. his team saw it. >> his team saw it, his lawyers saw it. he knows they've got him, as you said, dead to rights. they've seen who they've talked to. they've seen the testimony. this morning, all-caps screeds, which again, it's the tell. >> he got bad news. >> he knows how bad things are for him. alex screamed in his ear, got to go. >> he screams at me in my "know your value" piece. he said, is anything wrong? you're terrible. >> did he really? >> i was terrible. >> you are never terrible. >> he's right. >> we have to talk about this know your value piece. your parents always accused you

of oversharing. they always said, mika, everybody does not like to know everything. so you have over shared. i got to say, you know, you do you. >> i'm doing me. you do you. >> i've been surprised by the number of texts i've gotten from people from all political stripes thank you for doing this. >> menopause and why i'm sometimes a little bit foggy on the show. i thought there was something wrong with me and i ended up in the hospital. i wrote about it. >> you didn't end up in the hospital because of menopause. >> no, but a lot of different factors were causing anxiety. you can read the article for that. it's just about this time in a woman's life that actually is a long runway. it's a new beginning.

that's ultimately what i come to on it. yes, i over share way too much and especially about my girls' night in the hospital with rachel campbell, a whole bunch of cotton candy and the trump town hall. >> so you're saying this may be a reason why you're saying you sometimes get foggy? >> yeah. >> what's my excuse? >> you have no excuse. you just sometimes don't feel like showing up until 6:01. you're late all the time and there's no excuse for it at all. you should be here on time. sometimes you just walk away. you're tired, your back hurts. so markets are back in the red this morning after three straight days of losses. andrew ross sorkin joins us. you know them from book of

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it's a beautiful shot of san francisco. >> it's always a beautiful shot of the golden gate bridge. >> it's cloudy out there. >> have you been up there? >> i took pictures. it was fun. we should send in that picture. >> it's so beautiful. >> so 36 past the hour. inflation in the u.k. came in hotter than expected last month. in response, the bank of england implemented its 13th consecutive interest rate hike, bringing its base rate to 5%. meanwhile, here at home, federal reserve chairman jerome powell said that additional interest rate increases are likely unless more progress is made on bringing inflation down. >> let's bring in andrew ross

sorkin. i am a conservative with a small "c" . i love that jay powell says we still have a long way to go. it's so much better than hearing somebody saying, oh it's almost over. they made that mistake before. i have a feeling they'll never make it again. >> they never will make it again. i was watching steve ratner on your broadcast earlier. he's 100% right. there's going to be additional rate increases. the question is how many more this year and next year. there is an element if jay powell tells the public we're going to keep increasing rates, that could have an affect on the market to dampen things. that, frankly, is what he's hoping for. you talked about inflation in the u.k. there's a big political debate in this country about spending, how much money this administration has spent.

they've been criticized for that. when you look at what's happening in the u.k. and other parts of europe, i think it really dispels a large part of this. it's not to say we don't have our own fiscal problems, but in terms of why we're in the position we are today with inflation, it really is a global issue. >> if we didn't have this hyperpartisanship we have in america, i think you would have politicians on all sides going, the u.s. economy, i mean post covid, it's pretty extraordinary how big wheels keep on rolling. again, but for the hyper partisanship, so many people would be celebrating the low jobless rates, talking about manufacturing exploding.

>> it's historic on every level. i don't know if you want to give credit to the administration or not, but given that he's in that seat, likely should get the credit for it. the other piece of this and obviously prime minister modi from india is here, there's expected debate on the china piece of this and what happens with china. i mentioned prime minister modi because a lot of business executives are coming to the state dinner trying to figure out do i want to be in china or maybe i want to get out of china and do more business in india. there are all these cross currents impacting things in the u.s. as we move out of places like china and try to have a more resilient system we're going to have higher inflation. that is one of the post covid effects of trying to get manufacturing back in the u.s. as great as that is, it does cause inflation in the

short-term. >> we have alex telling me i have to go to break, which means i have one more question. i'm fascinated. yesterday we heard that the ftc is going after amazon and we heard about things in europe pertaining to google and apple. of course, europe is usually a step ahead of us. if you look at all these tech companies, do you suspect a lot more oversight coming from the government from all of these campaigns that have basically had free rein over the past few decades? >> i think some of the tech companies might actually win, but i think the effect on them, the ability to merge with others, buy others, expand in certain places, i think they're getting a lot more careful. one of the things you saw because of that ftc case, apparently amazon changed

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planet ♪ ♪ and i believe that the current president of the church speaks directly to god ♪ ♪ i am a mormon and dang it the mormons just believe ♪ that was grammy-award winning actor andrew reynolds at the tony awards performing the song "i believe" from the hit broadway musical "the book of mormon." now andrew and his costar josh gad will reunite on broadway for the first time in over a decade for "guttenberg" the musical. >> we're going it. >> i'm scared for your audience. you want to know why? >> why? >> i'm going to tell you why. because 12 years ago my daughters were 11 and 15. josh, you know where i'm going

with this. >> i remember this. >> we got tickets to the book of mormon. that was me. i was watching "i believe" right there and everything else that happened on that stage. i think they suffer post-traumatic stress still. >> they needed to learn those words. they did shape a generation for the worse. they were going to learn eventually. we probably should have put warning outside, do not come to this show if you're under maybe 17. >> i'm sure they turned into lovely young women now. >> thank you both. andrew, you said after years of relentless stalking and countless restraining orders, josh gad has finally gotten me to share the stage with me again. is he a little aggressive?

what's going on here? >> he's pleasantly aggressive. we have been talking about this and thinking about what show would we like to do to come back to broadway together. >> then phantom closed so we ran out of options. >> wicked would not have us. we tried and tried. no cats. >> still too soon. >> and too late. >> that was 2012 that josh and i left the book of mormon at the same time. it's taken all of this time but we finally found a show that seemed to really fit the bill called gutenberg the musical. the director came to us with this idea and josh and i -- >> immediately fell in love with it. >> we did. >> and we asked if we could do it as a movie, and they said no, so we're going to do it on

stage. >> josh has decided to come crawling back to broadway. >> i have to say that's great news for broadway. i'm also just going to point out here that you guys haven't changed one bit. >> thank you. >> i'm sitting here a lot older and you guys look really good. what's going on here? >> it's a new skin face filter that we're both using that's artificial intelligence. >> they're filming us through a horse blanket right now. >> we actually both have gray hair. >> actually much -- yeah. >> thank you for saying that because you know, sometimes you look back at those book of mormon photos and -- >> they're rough. >> no, but like some time has passed. >> you guys are perfect. >> let's hope that -- >> okay. so you say gutenberg is a hysterical love letter to musical theater. tell us about it.

are my nieces who are now the age my daughters were at, are they safe to see it? >> totally safe. >> this one you can totally bring your nieces to. >> yes. >> as long as they also are foul mouthed children. no, this is -- the book of mormon this is not. it is as funny, but i think -- i think younger audiences can come to this one. >> most definitely, yeah. it's a -- you know, it is very much a love letter to musical theater. josh and i will be playing two characters named bud and doug. >> bud and doug. >> did you say bug and dud? >> who have written this musical. they want to write a hit musical, and they've decided that historical musicals are probably the most successful on broadway. they just kind of randomly pick johan gutenberg, the inventor of the printing press. >> andrew and i get to play

about 12 characters each. we sing many delightful songs. i had been looking for a show to come back to for over a decade, and i read this script -- we read this script in 2020, and i immediately called up andrew and i go, i think i just read the funniest thing i've read since mormon, and i think you have to read this. he read it, and we did it -- we did a workshop of it over the course of a week, and then we were like this is it. let's do this. and then andrew went home and it was -- it was an inconsequential month. i think it was march of 2020 that we did the reading. and for some reason we're only getting -- but we're so excited, and this is my first time back. you've been back. >> i know, i have been back many times to the broadway, but this will be your -- this is the first time you're back and we're together. >> i love you so much. i know you've read things that say otherwise, but it's not

true. >> i know. >> the court ordered him not to touch me, but since we're on television i'll let it go. i'll let it go. >> you're only on "morning joe." we're a family here. so josh, are you nervous about coming back to broadway? how do you feel? is exciting? if you're in new york city, you feel that broadway is back. >> i'm not in new york city and i feel that broadway is back. building up the strength to come back, which is why i wanted to do this remotely today because if i go there, i'll just get scared and back out. no, i'm so excited. my knees are not. my voice is -- i started doing vocal training again. you have to prep for broadway like you prep for the olympics, but without any of the athletics. >> how do your kids feel about your vocal warmups at home? >> they really don't like them. >> they're loud. >> they're loud.

it's a loud warmup. >> cupid draw back -- i mean, i still got it. >> you got it. >> those high -- i don't know. >> tickets on sale. >> oh, yeah, this is really going to sell it. gutenberg the musical. so josh, as i'm closing the segment, do you want to do some of those vocal warmups to give us a sense of your range. >> yeah, sure. >> three, two, one. >> of all the songs which one do you like? >> yaya yaya ya, ya, ya, ya, ya, andrew rannells and i are going to sing together every night for the next four months ♪ >> gutenberg the musical will be coming to broadway this fall as you can hear with its opening officially set for october 12th, andrew rannells and josh gad, thank you both very much. we'll be right back with -- i know you hate each other. ♪ i believe ♪

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welcome back to "morning joe," as we look at some additional headlines, more migrant deaths have been confirmed in the mediterranean after a boat capsized last week. the death toll now stands at 82, but that is expected to rise with some reports that up to 750 people were on board the ship, which departed from the coast of egypt. the greek coast guard has been criticized for not acting to rescue the migrants and watching the boat sink in mere minutes, even though a coast guard vessel had been escorting the boat for hours. greek authorities have responded with claims that people on the boat insisted they did not want to be rescued from the vessel before it sank because they had to make it to italy.

and one more piece of political news before we go, retired cia officer and former texas congressman will hurd announced this morning that he is joining the race for the republican presidential nomination launching a long shot bid as a moderate alternative to gop hard-liners. and that does it for us this morning, we'll be right back here tomorrow, yasmin vossoughian picks up the coverage right now. ♪♪ it is 10:00 a.m. in the east, everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian. good to see you this morning in for ana cabrera today at msnbc here in new york city. we are watching three major stories this hour, first up we got the supreme court. today is a day where we could see historic rulings on affirmative action, student loans, gay rights as well. we're watching that very closely. second at the white house, president biden rolling out the red carpet for india's p