but i do think that the court, because of the power that the court has, it risks an immense amount of self-inflicted damage by not policing itself. in a climate where we trust so few institutions, the fact that the court is seen as so inherently political is something that, if i were on the supreme court, i'd be very much worried about. >> yeah, poll after poll shows that americans think less of the court now than they did in decades past. jon meacham, thank you. you're sticking around for "morning joe." we appreciate that. thank you for you at home for getting up "way too early" on this friday morning and all week long. "morning joe" indeed starts right now. the debris is consistent with a catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber. >> the size of the debris field is consistent with that implosion in the water column. >> our worst fears confirmed.

all five people, including a 19-year-old, on board a titanic tourist submerible died while diving toward the ship's wreckage. it comes as we're learning the u.s. navy may have actually picked up the implosion sounds on its underwater microphones. meanwhile, there are more prominent voices criticizing the vessel, pointing out its fatal flaws. >> james cameron, yeah. also ahead, we're going to go through indian prime minister modi's state visit at the white house and the impact it could have on u.s. relations with other world powers. plus, two outspoken, far right republicans trying to rewrite history on capitol hill. we'll explain. and is it possible? tomorrow marks the one year since the overturning of roe. we'll take a look at new polling on the supreme court's decision. good morning and welcome to

"morning joe." it is friday, june 23rd. good to have you with us. also with us, we have the host of "way too early" and white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. nbc news national affairs analyst john heilemann. and former white house press secretary, now an msnbc host, jen psaki is with us. also with us, pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post," eugene robinson. and pulitzer prize winning historian jon meacham. >> we're going to be talking about quite a few things that are coming up in the coming weeks and some recent developments on donald trump and the legal problems he continues to spiral into, including, i think, what will end up being the most serious of all of them. first, i just -- jen psaki, it has been one year tomorrow since the dobbs decision was released. the supreme court, as the johns were talking, jon meacham and

jonathan lemire were talking about earlier in "way too early," approval for the supreme court has plummeted to its lowest point ever. >> yeah. >> disapproval has skyrocketed to its highest point ever. only 36% of americans supported the decision. 61% opposed it. and if you're sitting there going, oh my god, who could have ever seen this coming, well, anybody that had actually been looking at polls the past 20, 30 years would know. >> yeah. >> that hardly ever, and i'm serious, we've heard about overturning roe, overturning roe. there's always been about one-third of americans who supported the overturning of roe. this has happened. it's had horrific conscience fren consequences for women and their death. this is a political program for the most part. we try to tell people what's coming. the politics, though, just a political earthquake.

in a way i think few could have imagined. just the scale that the tremors would have been felt all the way to wisconsin, kentucky, kansas, and in deep red states. >> that's exactly right, joe. if you look at the recent polling from the nbc poll, you have 80% of women between the ages of 18 and 49 who oppose the overturning of roe. you have 60% of independents. you have 30%, about one-third of republicans. those are earth shattering numbers. and in many ways, as you said, for a long time, there's been greater support for keeping abortion access in place than getting rid of it. this has awakened women, men and women, independents, people of all political stripes across the country. we saw that in the midterm elections, and it looks to be that that enthusiasm, that anger, that passion has not

subsided, as we're seeing these fights happen state to state. as we mark one year tomorrow, it's just a reminder of kind of how the political electorate has also been awakened by not wanting their rights to be taken away. >> yeah, and their rights. let's focus on that. i think while the concept on the far right might be, okay, we have prevented the right to an abortion, what they've really done is overturned 50 years of women's health. anybody, whether they are a republican or a democrat, whether they're a christian, whatever they call themselves and whatever they base their values around, anyone who has had a baby or knows someone who has gone through a pregnancy knows this isn't just about abortion. this is about women's health and the right to health care has been taken away for women across the country. we're seeing it in real time. >> you know, the thing is, it's not -- john heilemann, it's not

just that a 50 year right has been taken away. it's what republicans have done with this moment. they've taken a situation that would have been dangerous for them politically, and they've made it exponentially worse, with radical viewpoints that cause 10-year-old girls who have been raped to flee their state. candidates in michigan who end up losing in a landslide, saying that a 14-year-old girl being raped by her uncle is a perfect reason to have laws that would have the state compel her to have a forced birth. and you can go down the line time and again. they've made one egrgious decision after another. look at wisconsin. keeping in place a total ban from 1849. i mean, let's be very clear here. the majority of americans support an abortion ban at 15, 16, 17 weeks. if you look at the polling, they

want abortion laws much like you see in europe, in france and in other european countries. but right now, the democrats, democrats are getting free rein on this issue to point to the extremism of the republicans and not have to answer many questions themselves, because the republicans support such extreme bans. it's -- as i said before, it's crushing them in wisconsin judicial races, crushing them in kansas, crushing them in kentucky, in a lot of red states. >> right. you know, joe, it's like the thing that has been so hard to get a lot of people on the right to understand and that still make people scream when you say it, is the regime under roe v. wade, the system installed was a compromise. it was not a system that allowed for abortion on demand at any point in a pregnancy. it allowed for laws that restricted abortion in various

ways. the trimester system that blackman created in that ruling was itself a political compromise. said, we're not going to have -- we can restrict abortion it is to a limited degree in the third trimester, and it also meant that you would not have a full overturning of abortion. you couldn't outlaw abortion. that itself was a compromise, and the right, for political reasons, you know, kind of reinterpreted that, argued nit a different way, and said roe v. wade somehow allowed abortion on demand. it never did. and so what would have been a stable political compromise built on top of a supreme court precedent that granted a certain right, that was taken down by this decision. then this threw it back to the political arena and, i would say, a savvy political operator looking down from on high would have said to republicans, "hey guys, go slow here.

this has never happened before. a fundamental right has never been taken away before in the history of the court." there was a stable compromise that was in place for 50 years. if you mess around with this and try to claim ultimate victory and grab all the ground you can and have a power grab, there's going to be a backlash. it was predictable in that sense. you couldn't predict how much energy it would unleash on the part of women who were standing up for their health and their rights, but you could have predicted the backlash. republicans did exactly the dumbest thing they could possibly have done in a lot of these states, which is, joe, all the things you cited, do things that would be easy to campaign against because they were outrageously radical. >> yeah. >> that's why you look at polling even now. i discount polling. i don't care who it's positive for or negative for, i discount polling like we discounted polling before the '22 election, when everybody was talking about a red wave. abortion was only being cited by

5% of the electorate as being important to them. we didn't believe it at the time, and everybody around this table, well, we were right. it's the same thing now. there may be people that have problems with this issue or that issue with joe biden and the democrats. as we get closer and closer to the elections, it's going to become more in focus. all of the things that everybody from "the wall street journal" editorial page to ann coulter have warned republicans about. they have to get smart on abortion or they're going to keep losing elections. well, they aren't getting smarter on abortion, and bad things will happen. i'll talk to jon meacham later about this. the united states supreme court, in a political crisis unlike any political crisis it's been in, at least in my lifetime, even after the 2000 recount. their approval ratings recovered very quickly after that. they were respected and trusted again. but you look at just how rig td

the process has been. i don't want to go through the senate with merrick garland and others. you look at the billions of dollars people are pouring in now to influence this. you look at the will of the people, like 65%, 70% of americans being ignored. overturning a 50 year precedent. unfortunately, they've destroyed the credibility of the court, the far right has. my prediction is, it's coming. there is going to be reform in the judicial branch. i don't know what that reform looks like, but i think it's going to start with the united states supreme court. their approval rating is going to keep going down as it gets more and more politicized. let's face it, bought off by an element that has billions of dollars and are using billions

of dollars to buy off the supreme court fights. at the same time, with the supreme court right now that is running rough shot over the ethics, just basic ethical considerations. so, again, they're doing this to themselves. when there's reform, when people talk about a new supreme court that's going to be less political and more representative of the country, they can scream and yell all they want. it's going to be their fault. >> it'll be their own doing. it is all their own doing. >> it won't be court backing. it's not going to be fdr court packing. this is going to be, i predict, a bipartisan group of people that have to come together and say, "how do we reform this court and take the vicious politics and the billions and billions of dollars that the federalist society has to twist and distort this process." again, everybody is free to do

what they want to do, but the extremism, well, they've been victims of, they would say, their own success. they're going to pay for it, i think, politically, because any advances they've made will be undermined by reforms needed to take politics out of the process. >> we'll have a lot more on this issue, the issue of abortion, later on in the show and what is being done. we have other politics to get to and also legal news. while much of the attention this month has been around donald trump's indictment in the classified documents case, there are also new developments in special counsel jack smith's investigation into the former president for his alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. yesterday, a high ranking trump 2020 campaign official testified before a federal grand jury in the probe. former deputy director of election day operations for the trump campaign, gary michael

brown, was seen entering a washington, d.c., courthouse, where a grand jury has been hearing testimony about efforts to stop the peaceful transition of power to president joe biden. last year, the house subcommittee investigating the attack subpoenaed brown after finding, quote, credible evidence that he played a key role in the so-called fake electors scheme. that evidence included this text message where brown allegedly bragged about being the one to hand deliver the alternate slate to congress. both brown and the special counsel's office declined to comment on the appearance yesterday. >> i'd ask you, jon meacham, to put this into historical perspective, but there's no precedent. you have a president who has been stealing for nuclear secrets, for paying hush money payments. you have a president indicted for stealing secrets on iran,

other secrets and highly classified documents. you have a president indicted for obstruction of justice. now, you have a president -- we were talking about the supreme court, the supreme court who, again, out of control, running rough shot over the will of the overwhelming majority of americans, and now we have this president, again, unprecedented, but here we are moving towards, i believe, i think, the most serious charges and the one that i think historians are going to be grappling with long after we are all gone. that is a president charged with conspiracy to commit sedition against the united states of america. >> yeah, you're right, historians will be wrestling with it. as we all do all the time, i think citizens have to wrestle with it now, right? this is -- it's so central, and i just really believe that we have a pretty clear choice in

this political season. we can choose a constitutionalist, a party that has been pretty faithful to the constitution, which is the party of the incumbent president, or we can favor a party that has been shockingly but persistently supportive of a insurrectionist or seditionist. that's not a sentence we would have said about eisenhower and stevenson, right? that was not something that a lot of people grew up with. but it's pretty vital. and you have to ask the question, is any policy so important that you would want to favor someone that you think is a vehicle for that policy, even if they don't and have self-evidently tried to trash the constitution of the united states? and we could go on, but that's

really kind of it. you know, it's pretty basic. do you want a constitutionalist or do you want an insurrectionist? then we get into the "but, but, but, taxes and judges." >> mm-hmm. >> if we don't have a constitution, taxes and judges aren't going to matter at all. that -- that's where we are, remarkably, right now. again, we could go on, but i think it is a fundamental question. it's -- people often say, you know, it's simple. it's not simple, but it is straightforward. that's the choice before the country. >> yeah. you know what is fascinating, people come up to me and go, "you know, you used to be a conservative. are you a liberal?" >> all the time. >> and i say, "well, what would you like to talk about?" we finish talking about the issues. they go, "you're pretty conservative." i go, "yes, please, frame this correctly." i'm dead serious about this, it's people who support democracy, constitutional

democracy, versus people who are anti-democracy, who are against constitutional norms, who are willing to throw constitutional norms out the window for donald trump, who are willing to turn a blind eye to january 6th insurrection because of donald trump. who are willing to say right now, a speaker of the house, that it is okay that donald trump stole nuclear secrets. i mean, this is democracy versus anti-democracy. i'm going to say one of the things that really has surprised me over the past several years. i've been bitterly disappointed by friends who were fellow conservatives, who have completely crumbled and are part of the anti-democracy forces. they are. you can just them not just by their words but, more importantly, judge them by their deeds. judge them if they want to hold donald trump accountable. now, take lindsey graham. i came in in 1994 with lindsey graham. i considered lindsey to be a friend of mine.

lindsey graham, he supported donald trump through donald trump saying he wanted his attorney general to arrest joe biden and joe biden's family two weeks before the election. supported him through all of that. supported him through the first impeachment, where he held up money and defensive weapons to ukraine. trying to get dirt on a political opponent. >> right. >> then on january 6th, january 7th, he opposed him. then he was chased down in a national airport by three people and a hound dog and, suddenly, he went back to supporting the anti-democracy candidate. >> i think it is more than that. knowing donald trump, it's more than that. >> no, it's not. >> it's always more. >> everybody says it is more than that. it's not. it's not more than that. they're not scared of donald trump. they're scared of their base. they're scared to be leaders. they're scared to stand up in a town hall meeting and tell

people something that people may not want to hear. keep their head down and continue telling them that. they'll be surprised if they do that, what happens, but they never take that chance because they're such cowards. but it's democracy versus anti-democracy. i have to say, jonathan lemire, i've also been surprised at some of the people who i would have thought would have gone along with the crowd, who have stood up and been stalwarts, even though they're conservatives. standing for democracy and standing against their old party. because as jon meacham said, we really don't give a damn about what your tax policy is and what judges you're going to appoint if you don't support our constitutional republic. >> yeah, there have been some republicans who have stood up to donald trump. certainly, we've noted on this show, a lot of the judiciary held against donald trump's efforts in 2020 to overturn that election. we are seeing now the process

play out, and this testimony here is a reminder that jack smith could do two things at once. yes, the attention has been on the classified documents. we've even got a court date now for the middle of august, though it may slide some, but the investigation into january 6th is continuing. joe, i think you've heard the same, where there's been a growing belief that the te knorr tenor of the investigation has changed. people are hearing about it. people in the trump orbit are like, "that's not going to happen. it's too complicated. they're not going to bring charges there. now, it may. abortion was a significant issue in the 2022 midterms. another was defending democracy. this time around, trump, even with the legal morase, is the name, that'll be on the ballot.

>> that was the other sleeper issue in the last election. you know, some people said, yes, abortion could be important. i don't think a lot of cynics, there were any cynics that saw democracy as being really front most in people's minds, but it was. i hope it still is. i mean, it is striking to me, what one person can do. donald trump was able to do. obviously, there were forces building up in the republican party. the party was changing. there's a sense in which trump was a symptom and not a cause of the disease, but he was the vector. he was the person who allowed all these anti-democratic forces in the republican party, these

authoritarian forces, these fascist forces, to find expression and to emerge. you see the result, and the rest of the party is just going along with it. it is amazing, and there has to be a reckoning, an electoral reckoning, a reckoning at the ballot box, a rejection of where donald trump has taken one of our two great political parties. because, you know, i can't say it's never been this bad. we did have a civil war. not to get on meacham's turf, but the 1876 election was really bad. but this is that level crisis, i believe. >> you want to talk about crises, i've been at dinner parties with jon meacham where he would talk an entire night

about that election. >> man, needle drop there, eugene, at 23 after 6:00 in the morning. >> haze stiff. >> i want to say, i didn't bring it up. robinson brought it up. >> the third course, we'll be on the third course, and meacham will be talking about tilden. i'll be like "mika, how do we get out of here," and, jon, you keep on keeping on, don't ya? jon, we're about to be bored. go ahead. >> look, if you can't get to john tyler by coffee, you just shouldn't go out. >> right. >> this is why meacham is never welcome at my house for dinner, right here. >> insight. that's the central insight. can i just say, what my colleague and friend just said is just absolutely important. it is very straightforward. the way to do it is beat 'em.

beat them at the ballot box. >> yup. >> everything that we've talked about -- >> lincoln said, all men act on incentive. what is the incentive of political actors? power. what is the source of power in a democracy? the vote. what is the only thing they're going to pay attention to? defeat. that's what this is. >> there ya go. >> exactly. it may take -- i mean, they've lost seven years in a row. it may take even more than that, but jon is exactly right. the way to stop it is by winning elections. one election after another election after another. i have to say, though, you know, we've heard, john heilemann, for some time that, from trump's people, it's the obi-won kenobi defense, strike him down, and he'll get stronger. but that's not the case here. as chris christie said, it doesn't matter. if he had an indictment, it doesn't matter. it is never good for you. it is something that donald trump is realizing. we have a porn star payoff

indictment. we've got an indictment for stealing nuclear secrets. we've got an indictment for stealing other military secrets. we probably have an indictment coming for sedition against the united states government. we've got in georgia an indictment coming for his attempts to steal an election. you know, of course, i think the one that he may be even more concerned about is the possible new jersey case coming for him illegally distributing classified documentation. that's going to be a heavy burden for even donald trump to carry into the fall. >> i mean, first of all, just, you know, joe, running for president is a time-consuming job. it is a combination of meat grinder, flash incinerator job, you're working 24 hours a day, working hard, emotionally and physically draining. if you add a giant distraction, like having to be embroiled in various legal threats, and ones

that, whatever trump says, that he takes seriously, we know over donald trump's history that he is terrified at the prospect of incarceration. he does not -- as any normal person would be. but as these legal problems mount that -- it's not like impeachment where it is a political process. it's where you could spend time in jail. you could lose your liberty in the last years of your life. he will be distracted. he will be consumed. he is a man who is getting older. he is slowing down. there's no question about any of these things. no one wants to run for president with any kind of of distraction, let alone this kind of distraction. it is a huge problem for him in that sense, and it is also obviously contributing to a thing that all savvy republican analysts who spend time in republican focus groups have detected over the course of the last couple years, which is, when you challenge, the obi-won kenobi thing, when you strike trump down, there will be people who rally around him. he has a loyal following in the

republican base. they'll rally around him. >> he does. >> a larger amount of republicans thought trump was a successful president but are also sick of losing and worry about the prospect of a donald trump who has been hobbled by indictments, by charges, by all of these things, that that will make him even more unelectable, even more likely to lose than he was in 2020. those people are looking for a reason to give him a gold watch, a pat on the back, say, "mr. president, you made america great again. thank you very much. have a great time at mar-a-lago. i'll see you on the 19th hole." they're looking for that. >> good-bye. >> this is the thing that is going to start to wear at him, is that there are going to be voters who are like, i love the guy, but we can do better against joe biden than this. that's the problem that these things are gradually going to pile up on his back politically. it's a huge problem as he goes forward. >> yeah.

>> you know, jon is talking about distractions that donald trump has. somebody that supported him all along, sometimes to ridiculous levels, jonathan turley. >> right, on fox, yeah. >> he brought the point home. >> yeah. >> look at the dozens of indictments he already has against him. who knows how many more dozens of indictments will be coming in the coming months. >> yeah. >> one, if one of them stuck, if just one of them stick, as turley said, that's a life sentence for donald trump. that's what he's carrying around every day, as well. that's what he is carrying. i mean, do you think -- i mean, maybe there will be jury nullification, who knows? will there be jury nullification for -- let's say the one count of stealing nuclear secrets, just one count is, in effect, a life sentence for him. >> that and also i think donald trump probably hasn't processed,

can't even imagine the shock he's feeling because every step of the way, these folks on the right, many leaders and those in the media, have stood by him through the most ridiculous moments where he would admit to something, and they would somehow talk. this one, you saw legal experts on the right and left, all legal experts, saying, "whoa, okay, this one is bad. i want nothing to do with this one. this is a problem." >> right. we have one more story pertaining to the lies pushed by some extreme republicans about the 2020 election. failed arizona gubernatorial candidate kari lake became ensnared in another lawsuit yesterday. maricopa county recorder stephen riker is suing lake for defamation, saying he's lost friends and received death threats over her election lies. despite losing several lawsuits for her false election claims,

lake has publicly insisted that maricopa officials stole the election from her by counting hundreds of thousands of phony ballots and meddling with how the ballots were printed. >> again, this is another example of gravity returning. we've been watching this for seven, eight years, saying, "how are all these people getting away with doing this? how are they getting away with lying about elections? how are they getting away with lying about what happened at sandy hook? how are they getting away with lying about voting machines? how are they getting away with lying about people who are counting votes? how are they -- whether it's in georgia or arizona?" they're not getting away with it. gravity is returning. they're paying for putting others' lives in jeopardy, just like this poor guy. ballot servers trying to serve their country.

>> remember, we ran into her, and she was so insistent she won the election and kept saying -- >> i don't remember that. according to "the associated press," he wants a court order to declare lake's statements false. to get lake to remove her claims from social media. >> jen psaki, this is a candidate who modelled herself after the trump blueprint, just lies, lies, ran through it all with lies. >> yeah. >> get people to believe you with your charisma. >> that's right. and i remember all of us talking about this probably a year ago and saying things like, and i probably said this, "she's a pretty effective communicator." she was connecting with people. she was charismatic. but as joe just said, it's all coming back down. gravity is pulling this all back down to planet earth here. because what it is showing is that even the best snake oil

salesmen or women out there can be held accountable by votevote by the law, by the basic values of the country. i feel there was a little bit of uncertainty about where the public was going to be on that before the midterm elections and the midterm elections were, in my view, a kind of turning point, where we saw people stand up for democracy and stand up for the values of the country. kari lake is in such a different place june of 2023 than i think many people anticipated she would be in june of 2022. that is a good thing for the country. >> yeah, you know, gene, this is what i don't understand. this is a tragedy of it all. i know of what i speak. i served -- you know, i was the first republican elected in my direct since reconstruction. elected easily. i kind of know what the republican electorate and what other people want. you take somebody like kari lake

in arizona. kari lake didn't have to go the direction she went because she was charismatic, because she had those skills. if she had been -- >> and the name recognition. >> -- a mainstream republican, she could have struck out at liberals, at high taxes, at high regulation. she could have been a champion of small business owners, of entrepreneurs. she could have been a champion of parents. she could have criticized schools for being shut down too long during covid. she could have struck out against some of these things desantis is striking out against. she would have gotten elected governor and would have stayed there for a very long time. i remember looking at the guy who lost in north carolina, cawthorn, who would just say the craziest things. i looked at his district one time, and all he had to say was, "less taxes, less spending, more freedom." >> right. >> he would have been in that

seat forever. i don't understand. they go to extremes and, politically, they blow themselves up. kari lake is the perfect example of that. again, an extraordinarily talented communicator. everybody that went out and followed her on the campaign, whether it was jen, whether it was jen palmieri, john heilemann, they all came back and said, "this is really good communicating to people. she works hard. she goes everywhere." i don't get it. i just don't get it. >> i don't get her either. because, as you said, she's very talented. she's, you know, just as a politician, she has the talent. she has the charisma. and i really don't get her persistence in this, right? so she ran as super maga and, you know, joined at the hip with trump, so she lost. >> right.

>> but she persists. she keeps at it, as if beating her head against that wall is somehow going to change things. all it is going to do is hurt her more. so i think she is fore closing a political future for herself that she might have had, and some would argue, she should have had. she ought to be a good candidate for that state. she really should be. the state is changing, but it would still elect a mainstream republican. as you say, she could have governed for as long as she wanted. it ain't happening now. it's not happening for her if she goes further and further away from reality. >> right. and the message i'm trying to send to anybody who may be watching here is, kari lake, two rows divided, right? kari lake could have, after she lost the governor's race, i don't like it, i'm upset about it, there's some things that

really bother me. you know what? i'm going to concede. i wish my opponent the best of luck. i love arizona that much. i'm here to help her any way i can. she steps off the stage, and at that moment, she begins running for the united states senate, a race that's coming up this year. and she would have been -- man, she would have been the favorite, far and away the favorite. but she had to get right with the mccain people she insulted and the other people. anybody who is listening, this is a game of addition. it's not a game of subtraction. that worked for donald trump on one fall day in 2016. it's never going to work again. one fall day. stop emulating him. why don't you emulate somebody

like, i don't know, ronald reagan? he won 49 states. i don't know about you, but i don't want to be up all night to see if i won or lost. i like knowing by 8:00 that it is a landslide. you should, too. >> yeah. >> stop the nonsense. play big. play the long game. be pro democracy. just a thought. >> just a thought. jon meacham, thank you so much for being on this friday morning. >> jon and i are going to have a podcast on the election of 1876. >> please don't. ahead on "morning joe," we're following new developments in the case of that destroyed submersible. what we're learning about the catastrophic implosion that happened during an expedition to explore the remains of the titanic. plus, we've learned who helped embattled republican congressman george santos stay out of jail after he was charged with more than a dozen federal crimes. also ahead, a new charge is

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over the last week, we've seen the hearing with john durham, republicans trying to force a vote to impeach biden, the vote to censure congressman adam schiff. you were fired up on the house floor during that vote or during the debate around the vote. you said during that that republicans have turned the house, quote, into a puppet show. you went on to say the puppeteer the donald trump. do you anticipate that donald trump is going to keep driving the agenda of the republicans in the house? >> it appears so. it appears so. because the fact is, is that when we had this vote, was it a week ago, it lost, the vote to

censure adam schiff. the word isn't "i don't know" because i don't know what goes on among the republicans, but the word is that the donald trump forces weighed in, and now the vote changed. it took -- they changed it a bit, but the vote changed because they're protecting the unpatriotic, unscrupulous behavior of donald trump. >> more from this interview that you had with former speaker nancy pelosi this sunday on your show, jen. give us a sense of what more we can expect. i think this week, you always see, and she would tell me, you know, that her faith often applies to how she governs and how she works with people. and you also hear, like, motherhood in there. she was talking to republicans this week and saying, "you look

miserable. just stop it." and they do. these people, i mean, now they're working to erase donald trump's impeachments and rewrite history. i mean, where does this go from here? what were thoughts on that? >> i mean, mika, i think all of those things you just captured are exactly what we talked about in the interview. also, her real respect for the institution of the house of representatives. remember john boehner got emotional at her portrait unveiling because of his respect for her as speaker of the house. she's somebody who is looking at what happened this past week and thinking, this is not what the public elected us to do. this is also not what the house of representatives is supposed to be doing. this is a chamber where history has been made time and time again. you can have disagreements about policy issues, but let's respect the role that we're trying to play here. so we talked about that. we also talked about, of course, the impact of the dobbs decision

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i think they are likely to do away with affirmative action. but we'll see. we'll see. i thought they were likely to rule the other way on voting rights, so, you know, they surprised me there. maybe they'll surprise me again. and then i'm just, you know -- it's drinking from the fire hose of news, particularly waiting for the next developments, the next revelations in the multiple investigations of donald trump. the grand jury meeting today, who is going to show up? we never know. >> exactly. >> this is our life and our life for the foreseeable future. >> yes, it is. gene robinson, thank you very much. have a wonderful weekend. still ahead right here on "morning joe," the pushback from the department of justice on claims that it gave hunter biden

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yao this is amazing news. the portion of interstate 95 that collapsed weeks ago is set to reopen today. >> that's hard to believe. >> this is the temporary lanes that crews have been working around the clock and in the pouring rain to build and repair. the project had initially been anticipated to take months, but governor josh shapiro's office says traffic will reopen to motorists at noon today. >> come on, man. that's crazy. >> yeah, that's some swift work. obviously, more needs to be done, but to get it at least partially open again will do a lot to restore the needs of a

lot of interstate economy that was happening there on i-95. >> that's great. welcome back to "morning joe." it is friday, june 23rd. jonathan lemire, john heilemann, jen psaki are still with us. joining the conversation, we have the president of the national action network and host of msnbc's "politics nation," reverend al sharpton. and chief white house correspondent for "the new york times," peter baker. great group this hour, as usual. so let's get into this moving backwards rather than going forward republican concept for you. >> wait, wait, you mean trying to rewrite history? >> rewrite history. >> yeah. >> but also continue to lose. you talk about addition. they like to do subtraction. >> well, yeah. >> they love subtraction. >> another thing is, and anybody that's run a successful political campaign will tell you this, people want to talk about the future, not the past. >> bring people in. >> the reason donald trump won't win a general election is he's always talking about the past, not the future.

that's what has defined him the past several years. now, you have the house, again, just an absolute chaos. now, what are they doing? looking back. they're trying to do something they can't do, which is to un -- >> another gesture? >> an un-impeachment process? >> come on. >> i don't know, it's crazy. >> elise stefanik and marjorie taylor greene introduced a pair of resolutions seeking to expunge the impeachment votes against former president donald trump. stefanik's office said in a press release that it would be, quote, as if such articles of impeachment had never passed the full house of representations. >> gesture, gesture, all they do are gestures. >> it's totally unclear if resolutions are even legally possible. house practices offer no guidance. >> i'm sorry, this is stupid. i don't even want to read this

story. >> it's so stupid. what has happened to this woman? we already know about marjorie taylor greene. she came baked into the cake. but what the heck? >> just shameless, but that's okay, that's okay. this is so stupid. i think let's, instead, talk about -- again, their bigger problem, peter baker, gestures. this is all they do. they do gestures. we talked about it yesterday. they do this, and then they go out. why would you do this? it makes no sense. doesn't make any sense legislatively. but if their only focus is raising money for themselves, which they can do. the more freakish ideas they have, the more freaks send them $25. this makes perfect sense for them, just not the rest of the party. >> yeah, look, you know, in an era of divided government, a republican house can't pass a whole lot that's going to go into law with a democratic senate and democratic white house. you're left doing messaging

bills like this or messaging, you know, efforts like this that are all about signaling to your base. it's a remarkable idea that you're going to try to expunge an impeachment. even if you thought the ukraine one was condentious, the second would be about january 6th. i can't imagine every republican wants to do that, that they want to get that debate going again. maybe they do, but that's a remarkable situation for them. most republican senators who voted to acquit him, and he was acquitted, therefore, you don't need an expungement, but he was acquitted, and most republican senators said by that point, he'd left office. it wasn't because they thought he wasn't guilty of it. this would put a lot of republicans who i assume don't want to revisit this in a bad place if they come to a vote. it may just be about putting the statement out, but that's not where a lot of republicans would like to be right now. >> put the statement out, get the money from their contributors, and john heilemann, again, we've talked

about it before, and what you do, you hurt the 14, 15, 16 republicans who are in biden districts, districts that joe biden won and, somehow, these republicans also won. in these swing districts, every one of these issues just makes people in the district go, wait, why did we send a republican? why are we letting -- we vote for a republican. we let marjorie taylor greene run the house of representatives? why are we doing that? i mean, it is crazy, but this gesturing, peter said they're in the majority, with very thin majority. >> yes. >> there is gesturing there. this is what republicans are about even when they had the majority in the house and the senate. remember the wall? gunna build the wall. they controlled everything, they did nothing. in fact, lindsey graham and others said, building the wall is a really stupid idea. donald trump said he was going to balance the budget and he was going to get rid of the federal

debt, pay it down. when they controlled the house and the senate, the biggest debt ever, the biggest budget ever. i mean, the spending was out of control. again, it's all gestures. >> yeah. i mean, look, this is very high-minded conversation, joe, you're having, and i'd like to take us into the realm of what the spectacle is on a slightly lower level. look, this is -- the spectacle of two far right members of the republican party who, you know, there's a lot of dysfunction in the republican party and they've given a lot of ammunition to democrats, but what was not on my bingo card is you'd end up with lauren boebert and marjorie taylor greene acting like lindsay lohan and rachel mcadams in "mean girls" back in the early 2004. you didn't expect to see one of them calling the other a little bitch on the house floor.

you didn't expect it. >> oh, my god. >> i'm not trying to just be provocative here, although i enjoy being provocative on a friday morning, but, you know, it's the spectacle of dysfunction. normal voters who have problems in their lives are worried about their -- about their kids' educations and family's health care, jobs, wages and all that stuff. they already had problems with the notion that these clowns are going to come in and try to impeach joe biden for no good reason, that they were not focused on the real lives of real people in america. then to see the one part of the republican party that supposedly hangs together on everything, the far right maga caucus, now they're at each other's throats in public, behaving like children, not just children but nasty children. i just, you know -- this cannot be -- just the spectacle of it, the degree of dysfunction and ridiculousness, immaturity, cattiness on display is just -- i mean, it was like what we were talking about before, joe. the indictment can't be good for

ya. neither can this. self-evidently, it's a sign of a party that is incapable of governing. rev, i ask you, you know, is this not -- i mean, there's no direct way, although maybe, who knows? democrats can be creative and maybe capitalize on the skeptical of one member of the house calling the other a little bitch on the house floor, but what do you do with that as a democrat? how do you take that and translate it into, take it clear that this is the sign of something. joe went one direction. i went another. but it's a sign of something deeper in the republican party and get voters to vote on it. >> i think the problem is that when we're looking at the whole shift of where this country is being perceived globally, i mean, we have the immediate past president under indictment, state and federal, and we have all of these contenders afraid to take him on. we have people talking about impeaching a president on policy, not saying anything that he's done ethical or criminal to

impeach him, but on policy. while, at the same time, the supreme court getting now two members of the court that have had questionable conflicts. how are we looking to the world and to our children? to top it off, you have two women in congress using the language that i won't use on a friday morning, but you used twice, i might add. >> mm-hmm. >> i may use it a third time before we're done here. >> i'm sure. but i think that the instability of where we are is -- gives the democrats an opening to come through as the ones that will stabilize and bring sanity back to our politics. i gave all of that to say, if there is a lane, it is not the lane to outdo those that are bizarre. it's the lane to say, wait a minute, let the grown-ups come in, take charge and stabilize

the shaky ship. >> it is all gesturing, jonathan lemire, and it is crazy gesturing. yeah, you talk about people talking about impeaching joe biden over policy and then trying to un-impeach donald trump for starting a riot on january 6th. it's so fascinating, i keep pressing people on the phone, on and off the phone. you look at what they say. you look at the craziness online. you look at the crainess on twitter. everybody is talking about all of the crimes of hunter biden. i keep asking the question, i keep asking the question, what is the crime? oh, my god, you're in the tank, you don't understand. i say, give me the crime. i had several people yesterday talking about adam schiff. oh, you never criticize adam schiff. you never attacked adam schiff. he is going to be censured now. i say, "okay, tell me what adam schiff did, and i'll criticize him. tell me what he did to deserve being censured."

what adam schiff did in 2019 was running an investigation in 2019 that marco rubio and the republican intelligence committee and the united states senate concluded was a grave threat, a grave counterintelligence threat to the united states of america. so i keep asking, what's the crime on biden? unethical? yeah, we've talked about that. joe biden himself has said, has he not, yeah, it looks bad. i don't like it, right? but i keep asking, what's the crime? they don't have the crime. all they do is gesture about it. scream and yell and throw their arms up in the air. biden crime family, ginni thom thomas. put them on a barge off of gitmo. the biden crime family. wasting time with adam schiff yesterday, censuring adam schiff. again, i keep asking, what did he do that caused a censure,

other than, again, investigate aggressively, which he should have done, what marco rubio and republicans on the senate intelligence committee said was a grave counterintelligence threat to the united states? two simple questions. i still get no answers because they have no answers. >> no answers. and they're, right now, trying to commence impeachment proceedings on this president over the border, at a moment where the numbers at the border, for now, have gone down. it's a republican rage. they have stirred up their base for so many years here about the biden, quote, unquote, biden crime family and the corrupt dealings, recycling the playbook used against hillary clinton, and they've come up with nothing. there's no there there. i think we're seeing this week the spasms of frustration about the hunter biden moment, where he did plead guilty to a couple of tax crimes. another on weapons possession. that's not at all what, you

know, they had led their base to believe was coming. gestures. every time lauren boebert and marjorie taylor greene speak publicly, a senior white house aide told me yesterday, biden's approval rating, his chances to be elected go up. that's the contrast they've been trying to paint for a couple years now. we're the adults in the room. we're focusing on governing. we're hosting the prime minister of india yesterday. look what they're doing. this is a clown show. they're taking their orders from donald trump. >> yeah, no doubt about it. jen psaki, again, the chaos continues in the house. i can't help but think, at the end of the day, all this is going to do is damage the house candidates and turn the house back over to democrats. >> well, exactly. i mean, in some ways, the white house and the democratic congressional campaign committee don't have to do much aside from get out of the way. as jonathan just referenced,

their entire message is competence versus chaos. as we just heard, kind of the outline from john heilemann about the back and forth fight between lauren boebert and marjorie taylor greene, i mean, lauren boebert responded and said, "i'm not in middle school." it's like, are you sure you're not in middle school? that's how middle schoolers act, you know? if you're the american public sitting at home, you're thinking, what a waste of time. what a waste of my time, that they are doing there. that is exactly the contrast that the white house, if you're sitting in the white house right now, my old colleagues there, if you're sitting in the democratic congressional campaign committee and you're working with democratic candidates, you're going to run on, we'll do something. we will fight for you, public. that is chaotic and crazy there, and we will not be that. >> let them fight among themselves. >> contrast. >> we are going to fight for you. let them look to the past. we're going to look to your future.

i mean, you're right. the campaign really defines itself by their idiocy. let's talk, peter baker, about what happened at the white house last night. you had a state dinner with just a country that -- whose power and influence is growing at a remarkable rate. we've had presidents in the past talk about, you know, paying more attention to india, focusing more on india. yet, here's joe biden, jill biden last night, giving a man, a controversial leader, giving a controversial leader almost a hero's welcome, as an acknowledgment of just how important india is as a counterbalance to china's rise. >> yeah, exactly right. you know, look, india just a few months ago surpassed china as the role for the most populous

nation, as narendra modi, the prime minister, told congress in a joint session yesterday, since the last time he addressed them in 2016, india's economy has gone from the tenth largest in the world to the fifth largest in the world. you can see why, of course, an american president would want to court india for that reason alone. you also have, of course, the context of the iraq -- sorry -- the ukraine war, sorry, in which the global south, in which india is a leader and is sitting on the sidelines. joe biden and the american establishment would like to get india to be more on the side of ukraine against russia, so you see them flattering and showering modi there with page pageantry and pomp. at home, india is troubled with great complaints about crackdown on dissent. modi's main oppositional leaders have been thrown out of parliament, sentenced to two years in prison for defaming the

modi name. there's concern about religious freedoms and issues in india that got basically not addressed yesterday because the president would rather talk about the friendship with india rather than discuss the internal affairs there. >> peter, let's follow up on that. yeah, there was a very gentle nudge from president biden to the prime minister there about democratic values and the need to respect religious pluralism when, of course, so many human rights groups have said india is backsliding as a democracy and that modi has given his blessing to a real persecution campaign against the muslims there in that country. but the reason why the united states has to do this, and, look, joe biden is far from the first president to have to deal with sometimes an unsavory ally, it's about china, too? it is about thinking india is the bulwark to beijing's rising influence. it comes in a week when biden was called a dictator, when

given the chance, he didn't walk it back. >> he said he didn't expect it to necessarily, you know, spoil the relationship at the moment, still expects to see president xi later this year, but it came the day after secretary of state tony blinken had just been in beijing in order to smooth over the rupture in relations that followed that chinese spy balloon earlier this year. you're right, of course, the modi visit is also about china, not just about russia. in both cases, modi didn't give biden anything on that. he didn't signal any movement to the u.s. position on russia or china. when he addressed congress yesterday, he didn't use the names russia or china. he said, war has broken out in europe, in the ukraine, but didn't say who started the war. he talked about dark clouds of coercion and, you know, in the indo-pacific region, without saying that china is the one responsible for those clouds. basically, the biden administration hoping on a long-term basis india moves closer to the american position, but you didn't see concrete

evidence of that yesterday. >> peter baker, thank you very much for your reporting this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," tomorrow marks one year since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. nbc's ali vitali held a roundtable discussion with leading figures on this issue and joins us next with what she learned. plus, a judge temporarily blocks wyoming's first in the nation ban on abortion pills. what it means about the fight over reproductive rights. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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disapprove of the decision to remove federal protections for abortion rights. 36% support the ruling. that is unchanged from a poll taken last september. the new opposition number includes not only democrats but 60% of independents and almost a third of republican voters. let's bring in nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. ali, you spoke to lawmakers, medical providers and women who shared their deeply personal stories with you. tell us about it. >> yeah, mika, i was really grateful for their candor because, look, over the last year since i've been reporting on what it looks like to be post roe, i have heard from anti-abortion advocates who are overjoyed about the current state of things, and i've also heard from advocates who are in sheer terror about what this means for women across the country. in this conversation, though, we went to the very heart of it, to the doctors who are tasked with providing this care, to the

lawmakers who are tasked with legislaing around it and, of course, to the women who are at the center of making these decisions for themselves, or at least trying to. when the supreme court's decision on dobbs came down a year ago, amanda zorowski was furious. >> i was undergoing fertility treatment, so i did not think an abortion was something i would ever need or want, because i didn't understand fully how abortion is health care. >> reporter: months after amanda finally got pregnant, doctors told her the fetus wouldn't make it, but also that they couldn't help. >> she couldn't provide an abortion. she couldn't do any of the things that she was trained to do because of the restrictions in texas. as a result, it landed me in the icu with sepsis. >> reporter: knowing that you had to get worse in order to get the care you needed, can you just talk to us a little bit more about how that felt? >> it was devastating on top of

terrifying on top of infuriating. we had already gotten this news that we were going to lose this baby that we wanted so desperately. and then on top of that, we had to wait for something even more terrible to happen. >> reporter: it's a scenario dr. kumar, provider based in texas, knows too well. >> i have the expertise to help them, but we are in this difficult place where we can't. >> reporter: how does that feel as a doctor? >> it feels awful. i have the skills. i have the training. i went to medical school, residency for over a decade. instead of helping them, i have to say no over and over and over again. >> reporter: this conversation with women who have had abortions, doctors and democratic lawmakers provides a snapshot of the impact of the first year without the protections of roe versus wade overturned by the supreme court. in its place, a patchwork of different rules across the country. >> roe was important because it guaranteed wherever you are in the country, you will be able to make your own health care decisions. >> we're not just talking about people who may be in a situation where they can't have a child.

we're also talking about people like amanda who want a child and they're going to refuse to allow them to have the reproductive health care they need in order to stay healthy. >> reporter: though the dobbs decision added more barriers to abortion access, it's not like other barriers didn't exist before. for rena, an army veteran who had an abortion years before the dobbs decision came down, it wasn't just access in care, it was the stigma around it. >> i've overheard my superiors talking about how pregnant women were worthless. i quite frankly never wanted to be a parent, i still don't, so as soon as i found out i was pregnant, i made a call to the local clinic. >> reporter: she counted herself lucky to access the abortion she sought, and she only had to travel an hour to do so. >> others have to drive and fly much further to access that procedure. >> that wasn't an option for you, right, amanda? >> no. if we had made that choice and i'd gone into septic shock on an airplane or in a car in the middle of the west texas desert,

i probably wouldn't be here with you today. >> reporter: since the dobbs decision, the pentagon announced it'll offer financial support for servicewomen that need to travel for abortion care. in response, gop senator tommy tuberville is blocking the military promotions until the policy stopped, which experts say threatens national security. >> we need to make sure those women fighting for us all around the world get the same access to health care that the men in military get. >> you don't decide whether you'll be in fort hood or a state with better access to abortion. people will not serve if they are fearful of where they're going to go. >> reporter: for shaheen, who fought these battles for decades, this post roe period offers stark similarities and important differences. >> i have heard the word abortion used more in the last year than i did in my entire life. it is now a subject people understand. >> i hear it more from men now, too. i mean, do you hear it more from your male colleagues?

>> i do. >> reporter: among those colleagues, senator gary peters of michigan. in 2020, he became the first sitting u.s. senator to share his personal experience with abortion. >> my first wife and i were expecting our second child, a child that we very much wanted to have. yet, the pregnancy went wrong after about four months. her water broke. it was clear that something catastrophic has happened. >> reporter: they waited days for a miscarriage that never came. similar to amanda's story, nearly 40 years later, the doctor was hamstrung by hospital policy. >> he goes, i went to the hospital board to get permission. there is no way this baby will survive. there is a faint heart beat. there is a policy against that. but i'm really worried for your health. you could lose a uterus. could go septic. i can't perform this procedure. my advice to you is find a doctor in a hospital immediately that can do this. so we luckily had a friend who was an administrator at another hospital who got us in immediately. >> reporter: for those on the front lines of helping women

access care, like dr. reagan who helps women find abortions, the need has only grown in the last year. >> we've seen a 500% increase to site visits in the last year since dobbs, showing that people are, you know, anxious and scared and they want to know what is going on and if they can access abortion in their state. >> they're looking for care. >> they're looking for care. >> how do you feel a year out? >> i think it's worse than i had expected. >> reporter: post roe? >> post roe. when i hear the stories like amanda is telling and mia and the impact that that's had on our medical system, that's why we have to keep fighting. >> i think every worse fear i had has come true. to me, that's devastating. i would say, on the flip side, i am grateful that so many people like these two women and doctors are willing to stand up and tell people, so that we can fight to dhang this decision in the future. >> i would say i'm exhausted. it's, you know, something i still can't wrap my head around a year later. this is an argument that we are

still having. >> we're just not where i'd hoped we'd be at this point. >> i feel committed to staying in the fight. >> reporter: amanda, now suing the state of texas over abortion laws, it's also only just beginning. >> i feel determined because of what happened to me, and i feel determined to keep fighting until we make things better. >> mika, for all the folks i talked to there, this is only just the beginning. we're at a point now where we would have otherwise been saying that we were 50 years celebrating the anniversary of re versus wade. instead now, there is an entirely new landscape out there that presents barriers for women's care, but also quickly the conversation turns to the politics of it. the it is important that you led with that new polling that we have out this morning that does show why republican candidates in the halls of congress, where i see them on the campaign trail, are having a tough time talking about this issue. by and large, after decades of pushing for the overturning of roe, they got what they wanted and it's not exactly popular or

in step with the american public right now. >> no, it's not. nbc's ali vitali, thank you so much for that excellent report. ali brought up the politics of this. let's bring in co-founder and ceo of all in together, lauren leader. you've been conducting polls about abortion and finding that attitudes on abortion have changed and continue to loom large over the elections, where republicans on a number of issues appear to be on the wrong side of where most americans are. >> yeah. mika, i was thinking about when i was here exactly a year ago after the dobbs decision was overturned, and we talked about how much we believed that it was going to completely change the political landscape in america. that has really proven to be true. for democrat and independent women, this is becoming the number one voting issue. guns and abortion for democratic women, number one and two, separated by one point in the most recent poll.

it is also a deal breaker issue for women voters. meaning, if the elected official does not share their values on abortion, they absolutely won't vote for them. i think what's really interesting and that has changed is point that ali was making, is that the landscape for republican voters has also really shifted. we really found some significant changes there. more republican women are deeply divided over this issue. it is not a unifying issue. that republican women also are struggling with the bans in the states. i think lawmakers are not listening to them on these issues. it's gone too far. that was particularly true for voters in states that have enacted abortion bans. so i think this is the top issue for voters going into the election, and republicans have not caught on to this. >> lauren, you've spoken a lot about women voters. you also looked at men, the

attitudes, and theirs are changing, as well. >> absolutely. look, we really saw this in the midterm elections, where men across the country said that they were turning out for democratic candidates in support of the women in their lives and, you know, against the rollback of dobbs. i think that's become really deeply personal for a lot of americans. the more we hear about the stories like this case in texas or gary peters' wife who, you know, suffered from horrendous complications, the more men are realizing this is a family issue. this is a freedom issue. it's a health care issue. this has really changed how americans are thinking about the issue. it's becoming very personal. it is becoming very scary. it's becoming very real. you know, republicans, there was a poll that was left sort of sitting on the table after one of the republican strategy meetings, and republicans themselves know that this issue is actually pushing an advantage for democrats, especially among independents. their own internal polling showed democrats up three on the

generic senate race, specifically on the abortion issue. that is because so many folks in the middle, independent voters, are getting pushed to the left over this issue. >> co-founder and ceo of all in together, lauren leader, thank you very much for sharing the poll results with us. thank you. coming up, a live report from ukraine on the status of its counteroffensive, as president zelenskyy is calling for patience. that's straight ahead on "morning joe." d turns hot lots into homes. ♪♪ fastsigns. make your statement. when the martins booked their vrbo vacation home, they really weren't looking for much: just time with each other. but when they needed support, i got you. they could reach a real person in about a minute. and that's what makes vrbo unique. ♪ trelegy for copd.

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this morning, we are following new gomtdevelopments ukraine's counteroffensive against russia. president zelenskyy said in an interview this week that ukraine's progress has been slower than desired. but added, quote, some people believe this is a hollywood movie and expect results right now. it's not. last week, nato's secretary general revealed ukrainian fighter pilots are currently being trained to fly f-16 jets.

however, nato allies have not yet agreed on delivering those jets to ukraine. joining us live from kyiv, nbc news foreign correspondent raf sanchez. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: mika, we wanted to get a sense of the war in the air, and so we spent some time with ukrainian helicopter pilots who were flying combat missions in support of the counteroffensive. we saw up close the daring of these pilots, who are risking their lives to protect the ground troops, but we also saw how badly outnumbered they are compared to putin's air force. two weeks into their long-awaited counteroffensive, ukraine's forces are facing fierce russian resistance and making slow progress on the ground. >> that way, that way. >> reporter: part of the problem, they're badly outgunned in the air. russia's fighter aircraft are

more advanced and far more of them. ukraine outnumbered 15-1 on both jets and attack helicopters. we traveled to a clearing in the woods in the east. it's doubling as a ukrainian helicopter base. this unit has a dangerous mission. they fly out to attack russian forces, support ukrainian ground troops taking part in the counteroffensive, and then get back here quickly before enemy fighter jets can catch them. captain oleksander is a one of the few pilots still in the skies, flying a soviet era gunfire high above his hometown. how does it feel to be fighting in your country? "this is my duty, this is my task, as well as the task of all soldiers, of all men," he says. they fly just over the tree line, sometimes as low as 15 feet off the ground, hunting for enemy tanks and infantry, and

with ammunition desperately short, they try to make sure every bullet counts. can ukraine compete with russia in the air? "i think yes, even though we really don't have enough modern equipment for this," he says. "modern planes, modern helicopters. but what successful in completing the task." british intelligence says russia is reinforcing its helicopter fleet at this airfield near the front, making ukraine's pleas for american-made f-16 fighter jets all the more urgent. but it may be months before western aircraft arrive. until then, olekander and pilots from the 18th brigade will make due with what they have. staying in the air and staying in the fight. so, mika, some pretty extraordinary flying there from oleksander and his fellow pilots. in russia, the head of the mercenary group is stepping up attacks on russia's military leadership. he is saying today the russian generals are lying to both the

russian people and to vladimir putin about the real reasons for this war. he's saying ukraine never had any intention of attacking russia, which, mika, it is pretty extraordinary that he feels emboldened to make accusations like that. >> raf, i'm wondering about the mood on the ground in kyiv and beyond. about the state of the counteroffensive. it almost sounded like president zelenskyy was responding perhaps to something. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. i think president zelenskyy has been very closely tracking the progress on the battlefield, and he is being open that it is not as vast as he would like it to be. progress is being measured in small villages at this point, not big cities. we have not yet seen the ukrainians mount an all-out assault on one part of the russian line. that'll be the big test of whether this counteroffensive can succeed or fail. the other thing that president zelenskyy is very focused on, he

is saying the russians are planning some kind of act of sabotage at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, the largest nuclear power plant in europe. that is a worrying development. it is something the kremlin is denying. this all comes, of course, a couple weeks after ukraine says the russians blew up that major dam in zaporizhzhia to thwart the counteroffensive. mika? >> all right. nbc's raf sanchez, thank you for that update. up next on "morning joe," what george santos is saying about the federal charges he is facing, including allegations of fraud and money laundering. the latest on the embattled new york congressman when "morning joe" comes right back. imagine you're doing something you love. rsv could cut it short. ♪

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♪♪ welcome back. live look at reagan national airport in washington. more severe weather is expected to impact millions of americans this weekend following days of extreme heat and deadly tornadoes in the south. nbc news national correspondent miguel almaguer has the latest. >> reporter: overnight, a second round of rain and hail dumping on denver. >> oh, my god, the fence! >> reporter: as a possible super cell tornado uproots trees and rips off roofs. less than 24 hours earlier -- paramedics treated as many as 90 people pelted by golf ball-sized hail at an outdoor concert. >> it's hailing so hard and a bunch of girls are stuck there in a porta poti. >> reporter: the misery in colorado came amid may hem in texas. this powerful summer twister killing four people and injuring more than a dozen others.

the wreck and unrecognizable remains all that's left of the small town of matador, the area about 70 miles outside of lubbock, is under a disaster declaration. many homes, businesses, and buildings reduced to devastating debris fields. >> we barely got the door shut and got down to stairs and it hit our house that fast. >> reporter: the dempsey family took cover in their basement as the furious funnel decimated their home in minutes. >> we could hear the porch being ripped off the front of the house. it sounded like a trin was coming into our house. >> reporter: do you feel lucky that you survived? >> oh, we're absolutely blessed. >> reporter: others left with little to rebuild. >> this is our family home. it's just, like, there's nothing left. >> reporter: it all capped off a week of dangerous weather across the country with over 500 reports of severe weather since sunday, including a damaging tornado in moss point, mississippi. but after the storm, the community coming together.

a high school football squad teaming up to clean up debris, shining a ray of hope amid the ruins. >> all right. it's time now for a look at some of the morning papers. we'll begin in massachusetts where "the boston globe" has a front-page feature on the state hitting a record high in opioid overdose deaths. more than 2,300 residents died last year. that's up more than 2% from the year before and up 9% from 2016. officials blame the surge on the perspective listens of fentanyl in street drugs. in ohio, "the akron beacon journal," feds hear from the east palestine residents where a train spilled toxic chemicals. residents express their frustrations as they sought more ajszs about the derailment.

this week, the ntsb provided its fullest account yet, releasing thousands of pages of documents that provide a clearer account of why the train left the tracks and how officials responded to it. and in pennsylvania, the "center daily times" reports state lawmakers have advanced a bill aimed at recruiting more teachers. student teachers would get a $10,000 grant to work in a school in the commonwealth. they'll get $5,000 if they work in a school with a high number of open staff positions. educators who oversee a student teacher could also receive a $2,500 stipend. back to politics, the $500,000 bond for congressman george santos was guaranteed by his dad and his aunt. their identities were revealed yesterday after a federal judge ordered documents with their names be made public.

nbc news reports several media organizations, including nbcuniversal, news group, have requested the court unseal and make public documents with the names of the bond guarantors. santos was charged last month with 13 criminal counts, including money laundering and wire fraud. he has pleaded not guilty to the charges. santos told reporters yesterday he fought to keep his relatives' identities secret because he was concerned about safety issues and got heated when asked if they could afford the high bail. >> santos is due back in court next friday. this as the house ethics committee, also investigating santos, announced yesterday that it has issued more than 30

subpoenas and 40 voluntary requests for information. the committee did not specify who it has contacted. reverend al, today we could get a ruling from the supreme court on a major affirmative action case. it's something civil rights leaders especially are keeping a close eye on. tell us about it. >> it could be the end of affirmative action. we've already seen affirmative action weakened by the court in the last ruling. with this now court with a 6-3 conservative leaning, many of us are bracing for them to come back with a decision that would eliminate race as a factor at all in consideration to go to schools of higher learning, and the implications of that would be that race could also now be a nonfactor in contracts, in employment, in what we're trying

to do in terms of equity across the board in the country. this could be a devastating blow, and we're bracing for what happens. we're also looking at another voting case. so we could know this today, by the latest next week when the session ends. we're bracing for that as well as we're going to be looking at the first anniversary of the overturning of roe on "politics nation" over the weekend. >> reverend, i wanted to ask you about the broader impact, because we've been so focused on discussing the impact on college admissions. but the affirmative actions cases you just alluded to could have a bigger impact on the private sector and company policies. tell us a little bit more about that and what concerns you. >> what concerns me is if they come back and say that -- the last decision said race can be a factor but not the factor. if they come back and say race cannot even be a factor, those of us that go to private sector

and say, well, your boards are not diverse enough, your employment practices are not diverse enough, or you don't give enough contracts or you don't deal with the upscale of employees based on race, they can then refer to that and say we can't consider race, race is no longer a factor. so we're not only dealing with people in terms of their admission to college, it will go across the board to the progress we're trying to make in terms of making this country more fair and diverse, particularly for black americans and people of color. it would be devastating, and we'd have to resist it in many ways and put congress on alert they'd have to come up with new legislation to protect us and our interests. >> reverend al sharpton, thank you so much. a big weekend for "politics nation" this weekend on msnbc. we'll be watching. thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," an update on the other

federal case involving donald trump as someone with ties to january 6th testifies to a grand jury. we'll tell you who that is next. and kari lake faces new legal actions for lying ant the election she lost. she lost.

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and tomorrow marks the one year since the overturning of roe. we'll take a look at new polling on the supreme court's decision. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, june 23rd. good to have you with us. also with us, we have the host of "way too early," and white house bureau chief at politico jonathan lemire, nbc news national affairs analyst john heilemann and former white house press secretary, now an msnbc host, jen psaki is with us. also with us, pliltser prize-winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post," eugene robinson, and pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham. >> we'll be talking about quite a few things that are coming up in the coming weeks and recent developments with donald trump and the legal problems he continues to spiral into, including what i think will end up being the most serious of all of them. but first, jen psaki, it's been one year tomorrow since the

dobbs decision was release toed. the supreme court was -- jonathan lemire and jon meacham were talking about it earlier -- approval for the supreme court has plummeted to its lowest point ever. disapproval has skyrocketed to its highest point ever. only 36% of americans supported the decision. 61% opposed it. if you're thinking who could have seen this coming, anybody looking at polls for last 20, 30 years would know. i'm serious, we've heard about overturning roe, there's always been about one-third of americans that supported the overturning of roe. it's had horrific consequences for women, for their health. we hear one horror story after

another. i will say, though, this is a political program for the most part. we try to tell people what's coming. the politics, though, just a political earthquake in a way i think very few could imagine. just the scale that the tremors would be felt all the way to wisconsin, kentucky, and deep red states. >> that's exactly right, joe. if you look at the recent polling from the nbc poll, you have 80% of women between the ages of 18 and 49 who oppose the overturning of roe. you have 60% of independents, 30%, about one-third of republicans. those are earth-shattering numbers. and in many ways, well, as you said, for a long time, there has been greater support for keeping abortion access in place than getting rid of it. this has awakened women,

independents, people of all political stripes across the country. we saw that in the midterm elections, and it looks to be that that enthusiasm, that anger, that passion has not subsided as we're seeing these fights happen state to state. as we mark one year tomorrow, it's just a reminder of how kind of the political electorate have always been awakened by not wanting their right s to be taken away. >> yeah. their rights. leapt's focus on, that because i think while the concept on the far right might be okay, we have prevented the right to an abortion, what they've really done is overturned 50 years of women's health, and anybody, whether they're a republican or a democrat, whether they're christian, whatever they call themselves and whatever they base their values around, anyone who has had a baby or knows someone who has gone through a pregnancy knows this isn't just about abortion.

this is about women's health and the right to have care has been taken away for women across the country. we're seeing it in real time. >> the thing is, john heilemann, it's not just a 50-year right has been taken away. it's what republicans have done with this moment. they've taken a situation that would have been dangerous for them politically, and they've made it exponentially worse with radical viewpoints that cause 10-year-old girls who have been raped to flee their state, candidates in michigan end up losing in a landslide saying a 14-year-old girl being raped by her uncle is a perfect reason to have laws that would have the state compel her to have a forced birth. and you can go down the line time and again. they made one egregious decision after another. look at wisconsin. keeping in place a total ban from 1849.

let's be clear here. the majority of americans support an abortion ban at 15, 16, 17 weeks. if you look at the polling, they want abortion laws much like you see in europe, in france, and other european countries. republicans support such extreme bans. it's crushing them in wisconsin judicial race, crushing them in kansas, crushing them in kentucky, in a lot of red states. >> right. joe, the thing that had been so hard to get a lot of people on the right to understand and still make people scream when you see it is that the regime

under roe v. wade, the system it installed, was a compromise. it was not a system that allowed for abortion on demand at any point. it allowed for laws that restricted abortion in many ways. the trimester system that harry blackman said in that ruling said we can restrict abortions to a limited degree in the third trimester and it also meant you would not have a full overturning where you could outlaw abortion. so that itself was a compromise. and the right, for political reasons, you know, kind of reinterpreted that, argued in a different way, and said roe v. wade was somehow -- allowed abortion on demand. it never did. so, what had been a stable political compromise built on top of a supreme court precedent that granted a certain right, that was taken down by this decision. and then republicans had choice, because what the ruling did was

it threw this back into the political arena. i would say a savvy political operator looking down from ohio said to republicans, hey, guys, go slow here. this has never happened before. a fundamental right has never been taken away before in the history of the court. and there was a stable compromise that was in place for 50 years. you mess around with this and try to claim ultimate victory and grab all the ground you can and have a power grab, there's going to be a backlash. it feels predictable in that sense. you couldn't predict how much energy it would unclear on the part of women who were standing up for their health and their rights, but you could have predicted the backlash. and the republicans did the dumbest thing they could have possibly done in these states, which was do things that would be easy to campaign against because they were so outrageously radical. >> that's why you look at polling even now. i discount polling.

i don't care who it's positive for or negative for. i discount polling just like we discounted polling before the 2022 election when everybody was talking about a red wave and abortion was only being cited by 5% of the electorate as being important to them. we didn't believe it at the time. and everybody around this table, well, we were right. it's the same thing now. there may be people that have problems with this issue or that issue, joe biden or the democrats. as we get closer and closer to the elections, it's going to become more in focus. and all the things that everybody from the "wall street journal" editorial page to ann coulter have warned republicans about, that they've got to get smart on abortion or they'll keep losing elections. well, they aren't getting smart on abortion. i'll talk with jon meacham later about this. the united states supreme court, in a political crisis unlike any political crisis it's been in, at least in my lifetime, even

after the 2000 recount, their approval ratings recovered very quickly after that, and they were respected and trusted again. but you look at just how rigged the process has been. and i don't want to go through all the things that happened in the united states senate with merrick garland and others. you look at the billions of dollars that people are pouring in now to influence this. you look at the will of the people, 65%, 70% of americans being ignored and overturning a 50-year precedent. unfortunately, they have destroyed the credibility of the court, the far right has. and my prediction is it's coming. there is going to be reform in the judicial l branch. and i don't know what that reform looks like, but i think it's going to start with the united states supreme court

because their approval rating is going to just keep going down as it gets more and more politicized. and let's face it, bought off by an element that has billions of dollars. they're using billions of dollars to buy off these supreme court fights, and at the same time with the supreme court right now that's just running roughshod over the ethics, just basic ethical considerations. so, again, they're doing this to themselves, and when there is reform and when people talk about a new supreme court that's going to be less political and more representative of the country, they can scream and yell all they want. it's going to be their fault. >> it's all their own doing. >> it's not going to be fdr court packing. this is going to be i predict a bipartisan group of people that are going to come together and say how do we reform this court

and take the vicious politics and the billions and billions of dollars -- >> where is that money coming from? >> the federal society has to twist and distort this process. again, everybody's free to do what they want to do, but the extremism, well, they've been victims, they would say, of their own success, and they're going to pay for it i think politically because any advances they've made are going to be undermined by reforms needed to take politics out of the process. >> we'll have a lot more on this issue, the issue of abortion, later on in the show and what's being done. but we have other politics to get to and also legal news. while much of the athengs this mob has been around donald trump's indictment in the classified documents case, there are also new developments in special counsel jack smith's investigation into the former president for his alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. yesterday a high-ranking trump

2020 campaign official testified before a federal grand jury in the probe. former deputy director of election day operations for the trump campaign gary michael brown was seen entering a washington, d.c., courthouse, where a grand jury has been hearing testimony about efforts to stop the peaceful transition of power to president joe biden. last year, the house subcommittee investigating the attacks subpoenaed brown after find, quote, credible evidence that he played a key role in the so-called fake electors scheme. that evidence included this text message where brown allegedly bragged about being the one to hand deliver the ultimate to congress. both brown and the special counsel's office declined to comment on the appearance yesterday. >> i've been asking jon meacham to put this into historical perspective but there's no

precedent for a president who's been indicted for hush money payoff, for stealing nuclear secrets, a president indeed v dieted for stealing secrets on invading iran, a president indicted for stealing other military secrets and highly classified documents, a president indicted for obstruction of justice. and now we have a president -- we were talking about the supreme court. the supreme court, hear again, out of control, running roughshod over the will of the overwhelming majority of americans. and now we have this president, again, unprecedented, but here we are moving forwards i believe -- i think the most serious charges and the one that i think historians are going to be grappling with long after we are all gone. that is a president charged with conspiracy to commit sedition against the united states of america. >> you know, you're right, historians will be wrest wlg it, and as we all do all the time, i

think citizens have to wrestle with it now, right. it's so central. i believe we have a clear choice in this political season. we can choose a constitutionalist, a party that has been pretty faithful to the constitution, the party of the incumbent president, or we can favor a party that has been shockingly but per, sis tently supportive of an insurrectionist or a seditionist. that's not a sentence we would have said about eisenhower and stevenson, right? that was not something that a lot of people grew up with. but it's pretty vital. and you have to ask the question, is any policy so important that you would want to

favor someone that you think is a vehicle for that policy even if they don't and self-evidently tried to trash the constitution of the united states. and we could go on, but that's really kind of it. you know, it's pretty basic. do you want a constitutionalist or an insurrectionist? then we get into the but, but, but taxes and judges. >> mm-hmm. >> we don't have a constitution, taxes and judges aren't going to matter at all. that's where we are, remarkably right now. that's the threat before the country. >> you say, you know, you used to be a conservative, are you a liberal? >> all the time. >> i say well, we have to talk

about it. we finished talking about my issues i have, you're pretty conservative. i go, yes, yes, you need to frame this correctly. i'm dead serious about this. people who support democracy, constitutional democracy, versus people who are anti-democracy. who are against constitutional norms. who are willing to throw constitutional norms out the window for donald trump, who are willing to just turn a blind eye to the january 6th insurrection because of donald trump, who are willing to say right now as speaker of the house that it's okay that donald trump stole nuclear secrets. i mean, this is democracy versus anti-democracy. i'm going to say one of the things that really has surprised me in the last several years, i've been bitterly disappointed by friends who were fellow conservatives who have completely crumbled and part of the anti-democracy forces. and they are. you can judge them, you know, not just by their words but more

importantly judge them by their deeds, judge them if they want to hold donald trump accountable. now, take lindsey graham. i came in in 1994 with lindsey graham. i always considered him to be a friend of mine. he supported donald trump through donald trump saying he wanted his attorney general to arrest joe biden and joe biden's family two weeks before the election. supported him through all of, that supported him through the first impeachment where he held up money and defensive weapons to ukraine. trying to get dirt on a political opponent. >> right. >> and then on january 6th, january 7th, he opposed him. and then he was chased down at national airport by three people and a hound dog, and suddenly he went back to supporting the anti-democracy candidate. >> it was more than that. knowing donald trump -- >> everybody always says it's more than that. its no not more than that. they're not scared of donald

trump. they're scared of their base. they're scared to be leaders. they're scared to stand up in a town hall meeting and tell people something that people may not want to hear, keep their head down and continue telling them that. they'll be surprised if they do that what happens. but they never take that chance because they're such cowards. but it's democracy versus anti-democracy. i have to say, jonathan lemire, i've also been surprised at some of the people i would have thought would have gone along with the crowd, who have stood up and been stalwarts even though they're conservatives, standing for democracy and standing against their old party. as john said, we don't give a damn about what your tax policy is and what judges you're going to appoint if you don't support our constitutional republic.

>> yeah, there have been some republicans who have stood up to donald trump. certainly the judiciary held against donald trump's efforts in 2020 to overturn that election. we are seeing now the process play out. and this testimony here is a reminder that jack smith can do two things at once. the attention has been on the classified documents. we have a court date now for the middle of august. but the investigation of january 6th is continuing, and joe i think you've heard the same where there's been a growing belief that the tenor of that investigation has changed. people in the trump orr bit said that's probably not going to happen, it's too complicated, they won't bring charges there. so, eugene, with that as the backdrop here, we know -- we talked about how abortion was a significant issue in the 2022 midterms. another one was the idea of democracy, defending democracy. >> yes. >> it seems like this time around, especially with trump, even with all the legal morass,

he is the name atop the republican ticket, democracy will never have been more on the ballot. >> i think that's absolutely right. and that was the other sleeper issue in the last election. some people said yes, abortion could be important. i don't think -- a lot of cynics or any cynics saw democracy as being really front most in people's minds. but it was. and i hope it still is. i mean, it is striking to me what one person can do, what donald trump was able to do. and obviously, there were forces building up in the republican party, the party was changing, there's a sense in which trump was a symptom and not a cause of the disease.

but he was the vector. he was the person who allowed all these anti-democratic forces in the republican party, authoritarian forces, you could call them fascist forces, to find expression and to emerge. and you see the result. and the rest of the party is going along with it. it is amazing, and there has to be a reckoning, an electoral reckoning, a reckoning at the ballot box, a rejection of where donald trump has taken one of our two great political parties, because it's -- i can i can't say it's never been this bad. we did have a civil war. not to get on meacham's turf, but the 1876 election, that was

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vote changed. they changed it a bit, but the vote changed because they're protecting the unpatrottic, unscrupulous hater, donald trump. >> more on this interview you had with former house speaker nancy pelosi on your show, jen. i think this week, you always see -- and she would tell me that her faith often applies to how she governors and how she works with people. and you also hear like motherhood in there as she was talking to republicans this week and saying, you look miserable. just stop it, you know? and they do. these people -- i mean, now they're working to try and erase donald trump's impeachments and rewrite history, i mean, where does this go from here? what were her thoughts on that? >> well, i mean, mika, i think

all of those things you just captured exactly what we talked about in the interview and also her real respect for the institution of the house of representatives. i mean, remember john boehner got emotional at her portrait unveiling because of his respect for her as speaker of the house. and she's somebody who is looking at what happened this past week and thinking this is not what the public elected us to do. this is also not what the house of representatives is supposed to be doing. this is a chamber where history has been made time and time again. you can have disagreements about policy issues, but let's respect the role that we're trying to play here. so, we talked about that. we also talked about of course the impact of the dobbs decision one year later and the role she has played in advocaing for health care access and abortion access over decades as well as donald trump. and her deep concerns as a former member of the intelligence committee, a former ranking member, about those

specifics of those documents and what donald trump did in put ourg national security at risk. a very wide-ranging interview. we'll use a lot of it on the show on sunday. >> i love it. can't wait. noon eastern, jen psaki's show. gene robinson, what are you looking at today and heading into the weekend? >> well, today, first thing i'm going do is see what the supreme court has in store for us. of course that big decision on affirmative action is still hanging out there, you know, are they going to release it on a friday, we'll see. i think, you know, we all anticipate which direction that will go, and i think it would be really bad, i think. i think they are likely to do away with affirmative action. but we'll see. we'll see. i thought they were likely to rule the other way on voting rights. so, you know, they surprised me there, and maybe they'll

surprise me again. and then i'm just -- you know, it's drinking from the fire hose of news, in particularly, waiting for the next developments and next revelations in the multiple investigations of donald trump as the grand jury is meeting today. who's going to show up, you know. we never know. >> exact lip. >> this is our life. waiting for the next person for the foreseeable future. >> yes. yes. gene robinson, thank you very much. have a wonderful weekend. still ahead on "morning joe," the pushback from the department of justice on claims that it gave hunter biden special treatment in his plea deal. plus a look at the significance of indian prime minister modi's state visit at the white house.

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let's get into this moving backwards rather than going forward republican concept for you. >> you mean trying to rewrite history? >> rewrite history but also continue to lose -- and you talk about addition. they like to do subtraction. they love subtraction. >> another thing is, and anybody that's run a successful political campaign will tell you this -- people want to talk about the future, not the past. >> right. you want to bring people in. >> the reason donald trump won't bin a general election is he's always talking about the past, not the future. that's what has defined him over the past several years. and now you have the house again just in absolute chaos.

and now what are they doing? they're looking bab. they're trying to do something they can't do, which is to -- >> another gesture? >> an unimpeachment process? i don't know. it's crazy. >> two house republicans, stefanik marjorie taylor greening seeking to expunge the impeachment volts for donald trump. stefanik said it would be, quote, as if such articles of impeachment had never passed before the -- >> gesture, gesture, gesture. all they do are gestures. >> it's totally unclear. house practices offer no guidance for -- >> i'm sorry, i don't even want to read this story. >> it's so stupid. we already know about marjorie taylor greene. she came baked into the cake, but what the heck. >> shameless, but that's okay.

that's okay. this is so stupid. i think let's instead talk about, again, their bigger problem, peter baker, gestures. this is all they do. they do gestures. we talked about it yesterday. they do this, and then they go out and -- i mean, why would you do this? it doesn't make any sense legislatively. if their only focus is raising money for themselves, which they can do, the more freakish ideas they have, the more freaks out there send them $25, it makes perfect sent for them, just not for the rest of the party. >> yeah. look, we're in an era of guided government where the house can't pass a whole lot that will go into law with a democratic senate and a democratic white house. you're left messaging bills like this or efforts like this that are all about signaling to your base. it's a remarkable idea you'll try to expunge an impeachment.

even if you thought the ukraine one was tan general, the second would be absolving donald trump of donald trump did on january 6th. maybe they want to get that debate going again. but that's a remarkable situation. remember, most senators, republican senators who voted to acquit him, and he was acquitted, therefore, you don't really need an expungement, but he was acquitted, and most republican senators said he was aquilted because that point he had left office, not because they didn't think he was guilty of it. this is putting a lot of republicans in a bad place if they come to a vote. to revisit comes to a vote. it may just be about putting the statement out. coming up, elon musk and mark zuckerberg are apparently ready to fight each other in a cage match. what could be a real-life battle of the billionaires. real-life be of the billionaires.

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♪♪ a cloudy day in new york city. it's a few minutes before the top of the hour. a small town in nevada has looked like a scene out of the baseball. steve peterson reports on the takeover by millions of crickets. >> reporter: it is happening right now, a small town under invasion. >> it's disgusting. it's so gross. >> reporter: this is elco, nv, besieged by mormon crickets. ground zero the once quiet home of colet reynolds. >> i couldn't sleep. i couldn't eat. everything you eat looks like a mormon cricket. >> reporter: she says it looks

feels like living in the old testament. the critters are a migratory menace. an outbreak like this can last up to six summers. the pests normally stick to the desert, but this time they found their way into town. a town covered in millions of crickets. they're not aggressive, they don't sting, they don't bite, but that doesn't mean they aren't causing problems. killing them only attracts more because they eat their own dead, both gross and a hazard. roads can easily become slick with bug juice. and the smell -- >> it just smells like dead, rotten bugs everywhere all the time. >> reporter: the hospital, a scene out of a horror movie. >> we had people out with leaf blowers trying to keep the sidewalks clear. >> reporter: the swarm has

mostly moved on, but there are a lot of bugs hopping around and a lot of mental anguish lingers. >> i can't. no, that would not work. steve peterson with that creepy report. i couldn't do it. time for a look inside the new issue of the digital weekly newsletter airmail. alessandra, this doesn't go life until tomorrow morning, right? >> correct. >> okay. big preview in airmail. what are we looking for? the first one i'm excited to hear about is the vietnamese dream. >> it's a wonderful story about a young man who at age 12 was thrown onto a helicopter in

1975. it was the end of the war. he ended up in refugee camps, was adopted by a navy chaplain, went to a fancy private school in connecticut, yale. he went to morgan stanley. then he basically missed his mother's cooking. dropped out, went to asia, took cooking lessons, had a business in hong kong and finally went home again. found his mother and opened a new restaurant based on her recipes. it's an amazing story. all refugee stories are remarkable, but this one is double fun. >> i will say i'm still reeling from that cricket report. i'm trying to turn the page

here. >> i am too. >> let's talk about airmail. the second topic couldn't be more timely. it's putin's pioneers. >> this is something that shouldn't come as a surprise. putin has created a youth army which is kind of a trained to use weapons and dismantle grenades. there's a book about it called z generation. it's eye opening because you see how putin has poisoned his country so that even children are dragged into this. of course all of it is anti-ukraine propaganda.

it's a very interesting story. >> another story breaking tomorrow morning is a new look at two members of the central park five. tell us about it. >> well, this is an amazing story of reversals of fortune. on one hand you have yusef salaam who was convicted of the rape of the woman known as the central park jogger, who much later after he was exonerated and the woman who put him away who went onto become the feminist icon who was the model for olivia benson on law and order svu and was a best selling book author, just a huge, huge deal. since then, he wrote some books.

he is a motivational coach and now he's running for the harlem city council. the election is tuesday. meanwhile, linda firestein has basically lost all her support. her greatest mistake was in refusing to believe the exoneration. she kept insisting that these boys were guilty. the only other person who seemed to feel that way was donald trump. her support collapsed. she lost her publishers. she got kicked off of boards. she left new york and all those glittering prizes and is now sort of in exile in florida. >> fascinating. the new issue of airmail goes online tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. eastern time. for more on this week's stories,

go to airmail.news/mj. alessandra stanley, thank you very much. we are one minute into the fourth hour of "morning joe." 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. in the east. joining us we have u.s. special correspondent for bbc news katty kay and white house correspondent for politico and coauthor of the play book, eugene daniels. this morning all the people on the missing titan submersible are believed to be dead of wreckage was found near the wreckage of the titanic. >> reporter: in the vast expanse of the north atlantic, a tragic conclusion. the coast guard reporting the submersible that disappeared during a dive to the titanic on

sunday experienced a catastrophic implosion, killing all five people on board. >> it is a difficult day for all of us. it's especially difficult for the families. >> reporter: the navy tells nbc news that on sunday it detected an audio anomaly that appeared consistent with an implosion or explosion about the time the sub lost communication during the dive. on thursday a canadian team, using an rov discovered who debris fields roughly 1600 feet from the site of the titanic. >> essentially we found five different major pieces of debris that told us that it was the remains of the titan. >> reporter: the doomed mini sub rests at a death of more than 2 1/2 miles, where the pressure is hundreds of times greater than it is on the surface. >> it's one empire state

building made of lead fitting on top of you at that level. >> reporter: overnight james cameron, himself a deep sea diving record breaker, criticized the oceangate sub's carbon fiber design. >> we didn't remember the lesson of titanic, these guys at oceangate didn't, because the hubris that sent that ship to its doom is exactly the same thing that sent those people on board to their fate. >> reporter: stockton rush addressed those concerns last year. >> i've broken some rules to make this. i think i've broken them with logic and good engineering. the carbon fiber and titanium, there's a rule you don't do that. well, i did. >> reporter: among those lost, hamish harding, dawood and

suleiman. >> tom costello with that report. we are also following one of the deadliest shipwrecks in the mediterranean sea in decades. as many as 750 people were reportedly on the boat that sank last week off the coast of greece. a super yacht was about 4 nautical miles away when it

heard the distress call from the doomed ship. 20 minutes later at around 3:00 in the morning the $175 million yacht owned by the family of a mexican silver magnate was at the scene. in over a few hours, the crew was able to rescue 100 pakistani, syrian and palestinian migrants. we turn to a new development in special counsel jack smith's investigation into former president trump for his alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. yesterday a high-ranking trump campaign official testified before a federal grand jury in the probe. former deputy director of election day operations for the trump campaign, gary michael brown, was seen entering a washington, d.c. courthouse, where a grand jury has been hearing testimony about efforts to stop the peaceful transition

of power to president joe biden. last year the house subcommittee investigating the attack subpoenaed brown after finding, quote, credible evidence that he played a key role in the so-called fake electors scheme. brown allegedly bragged about being the one to hand deliver the alternate slate to congress. both brown and the special counsel's office declined to comment on the appearance yesterday. jonathan lemire, overall take? >> it's yet another moment where people involved in january 6th are handing prosecutors evidence, look, i did it. it goes to show that as much as we've all been focused on the mar-a-lago documents case, that the january 6th investigation is going on as well. jack smith is doing two things

at once. he is methodically moving through the ranks of the campaign and the white house to find out what transpired leading up to and on that fateful day. there's so much legal peril for donald trump. it's going to complicate his run for the presidency again. it's going to be a distraction and also an incredible time consumption. if he's indicted in up to four places, he's going to be spending the next year and a half shutting in and out of courtrooms. >> i think we've seen how much work jack smith has had on his plate with the mar-a-lago case and with this more complicated january 6th case. time consumption is also going to face donald trump next year. he faces the very real prospect that he's going to have to show

up in multiple different cases against him in different states. it's very hard running an election campaign. he's not young. we've all been focused on joe biden's age, but donald trump is not that much younger. an election campaign is physically brutal even for those of us covering it. imagine what it's like being the candidate. become the candidate while trying to run an election campaign while also having to tend to legal issues, i can't believe that wouldn't be a huge distraction for donald trump even in the primaries. >> in other trump-related news, eugene, share the story and the reaction of two republican lawmakers. this is like gesture politics, defined stupidity.

but they don't care about that. trying to unimpeach donald trump. >> that's what you're seeing from boebert and marjorie taylor greene. this is something that clearly they feel like they have to continue to prove their loyalty to donald trump to continue to have power in the republican party. when you talk to some of these moderate republicans behind the scenes, they will tell you this is a waste of time. it's a distraction. they want to continue to try to figure out a way to move the party forward if not away from trump, at least away from trying to clean up his old messes. there are other messes that are clearly coming, bigger and more legal messes for donald trump and for this republican party. that is not something that folks in the freedom caucus care

about. donald trump demanded fealty and complete loyalty from the people around him. what you see with some of these folks in the house is not that he's telling them to do this. we haven't seen any evidence of that, but they think he wants that, so they try to get ahead of the kind of things donald trump would want them to do to prove to him that they can be in his cabinet, those kinds of things. that is what we're going to continue to see. a lot of republicans behind closed doors will say it's a waste of time. also in d.c., indian prime minister modi wraps up his visit to washington today. president joe biden and the white house rolled out the red carpet ahead of the visit. they sat down in the oval office and discussed democratic values.

modi pressed the president for calling a speech biden gave as vice president eight years ago in which biden said our goal is to become india's best friend. modi said it was that commitment by biden that inspired india to take bold and ambitious initiatives in their relationship. in a surprising moment during a joint press conference, prime minister modi took two questions. since becoming india's leader, modi has never held a solo press conference. he was asked what steps he's willing to take to improve the rights of religious minorities in his country and uphold free speech. modi denied any form of discrimination and said india's principles are made up of the democratic values instilled in its constitution. after the press conference, modi took to capitol hill, entering the chamber to loud applauds.

there, the prime minister spoke about the war in ukraine and the increasing tension near the taiwan strait. modi said india shares a vision of open and inclusive indo-pacific and called for greater ties between india and the united states. katty kay, a relationship that is growing stronger, a necessary relationship, but not without complications. >> yeah. india is the darling of american investors and seemingly of american politicians at the moment. the commerce secretary was in india recently praising narendra modi. he's clearly getting a real red carpet rollout from the united states. it's kind of a test of the white house's are we with autocracy or democracy at the moment. india is the world's largest democracy, but modi is behaving in pretty non-democratic ways

back at home. his comments on religious freed, i'm not sure many muslim indians are feeling that. there are autocratic tendencies but the united states needs india a lot at the moment. it needs india as a bulwark against china and it wants input into india's relationship with russia. russia is the biggest arms supplier to india. america would like to pull india into the kind of anti-russian coalition. you've got the biden administration saying be our friend almost at any cost. we will not raise the issue of human rights or democracy and religious minorities i think is a sign of how powerful india is feeling at the moment. >> white house aides tell us president biden had slightly

stronger words behind closed doors, but in public it was a gentle nudge at most in terms of democratic freedom. doesn't seem like they got much back from modi in terms of any commitment about russia. right now they're still neutral and buying a lot of gas from russia, which is helping putin fuel his war machine. india is is the most populace country in the world now. he hosts all the world leaders in new delhi in september. thousands of starbucks employees across more than 100 stores are planning to strike next week. the union that represents the workers alleges some stores have not allowed staff to decorate for pride month. the company says its policy has not changed and it supports local stores that want to celebrate pride month, but local store leaders are allowed to

make their own decorating decisions. let's bring in the coanchor of squawk box, andrew ross sorkin with more. what's going on? >> the culture wars, we talk about it in the context of business all the time. it's now flowing over to your bra barista. the union has tried to unionize more and more folks at starbucks. this seems to be one of those issues that is going to galvanize some of the employees around more unionizing and striking. we talked about the shift in

tone even if it's not coming from management at the top. we don't know that's the case. they're saying it isn't. but managers of certain stores that might have been more inclined to participate in a pride week are starting to pull back on it. it's a little bit of the backlash of the budweiser effect. >> i want to talk to you about the economy, what things are looking like, specifically focusing on an increase in spending over the summer perhaps causing issues for the fall. talk about, if you could, fundflation. >> we have a great story this morning written by bernard warner who talked to an economist who coined this term fundflation. every other day you're seeing a beyonce concert, people paying ridiculous money to see taylor swift, going to restaurants,

travel. it hasn't stopped. i call it the yolo economy. we're seeing it happening over and over again. it used to be that when things were turning down, people got rid of the discretionary items. we're almost seeing a reversal. that is leading some economists to think it's going to make it more likely that the federal reserve is going to say enough. when they see too much spending on things that are discretionary, they're trying to tamp that down. we'll see what happens over the summer and a lot of these public spending changing that dynamic. >> can i ask you about egos in the tech world and something that none of us in our wildest dreams want to see. that is the prospect of mark zuckerberg and elon musk in a

cage match. what is going on? >> i don't even know what to say. i think they think it's real. mark zuckerberg has been training, doing a lot of jiu-jitsu for the last couple of years. he's been on facebook and instagram demonstrating it. there's a big article about his jiu-jitsu just a couple weeks ago. he's very proud of that. elon musk is a fighter of a different sort. i think he will tell you he doesn't work out. but they're talking about it. the head of the ufc is even saying he wants to host it. both of these guys seem to be ready to do it. so i don't know. you can take your bet whether you want to bet on the meta world or the twitter world or something. maybe they'll broadcast on both of the services. >> nobody wants to see that, absolutely nobody.

>> i don't know what to say. >> okay. let's just end it there. thank you very much. >> have a great weekend. coming up on "morning joe," we are marking one year since the supreme court overturned roe. we'll look at what's changed since then and the new polling on how americans are feeling about the issue. plus, a section of one to have busiest highways in america is set to reopen today less than two tweaks after a fiery crash caused it to collapse. we'll have more on the effort to rebuild i-95. effort to rebuild i-95 (psst psst) ahhhh... with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary. spray flonase sensimist daily for non-drowsy, long lasting relief in a scent-free, gentle mist. (psst psst) flonase. all good.

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♪♪ tomorrow marks the one-year anniversary of the u.s. supreme court's regressive decision to overturn the landmark 1973 roe v wade ruling that legalized

abortion in the u.s., a dangerous and retrograde move by the conservative court that paved the way for states to radically obstruct abortion access for millions upon millions of american women. what a difference a year makes. let's look at what has happened over the past year. republican-controlled legislatures approved nearly total abortion bans in 14 states. these states are now unsafe for women, especially women of childbearing age. nearly a dozen additional states have enacted other restrictions on abortion with some cases still being litigated in the courts. there are women leaving these states for exactly this reason. also, access to mifepristone is now in jeopardy. this is a drug that can save a woman's life. in some places, it's now a crime to administer or receive that

lifesaving health care. approximately 1 in 4 women between the ages of 15 and 44 are now stuck because they live in states where abortion is banned or mostly banned. all of this as opinion polls from the last year show that the majority of americans want abortion to be legal because it's health care. not to mention 4 of the 5 supreme court justices who voted to overturn roe were men. of course. women's lives are on the line now. i ask republicans if you would want to be denied care for a miscarriage or forced to continue with a nonviable pregnancy, a dead baby growing in your belly. what if you were debra dorbert of florida?

the young mother's baby was diagnosed with a fatal fetal abnormality. would you force her to carry the hopeless high-risk pregnancy to term and tell her to watch her baby struggle and die? because that happened because of the state that now has a six-week ban, on march 3rd her son milo died in her arms shortly after he was born, just as doctors predicted. she told media outlets he gasped for air a couple of times. i watched my child take his first breath and i held him as he took his last. what if samantha castellano of texas was your daughter or sister or wife? 20 weeks into her pregnancy, she

was told by doctors that only part of her baby's brain and skull were forming and the fetus would not survive long after childbirth. would you be so cruel as to tell her that she would have to go on with her pregnancy, five months of pregnancy, knowing her baby would die? she ended up spending the remainder of her pregnancy raising money for the inevitable funeral. her baby halo lived for just four hours. when women are in this situation when they're forced to carry fetal abnormalities to term, they often can't have children again. a termination in many cases preserves the woman's ability to bear a child again. let me get this straight. you support sterilization of women by denying them the health care they need.

how depraved are you? i just want to ask republicans, what if you were christina in ohio when she started to miscarry, because of that state's six-week abortion ban, the hospital wouldn't treat her because they needed proof there was no fetal development. can you imagine in realtime as you are miscarrying, bleeding, in pain, scared, can you imagine being told to leave the e.r., the place you go to get help, to get health care? imagine bleeding out, bleeding profusely and you're told to get out. and then later the blood is running down your legs, all down your legs to your shoes. what would you be saying to yourself about abortion if this was happening to you, to your

body? christina, by the way, was only given a procedure to help her when it was deemed by the hospital that her life was in danger. her family recounted watching her almost die. this and much more is happening right now in realtime to women across the country. these are real stories, horror stories that republicans have inflicted on women across the country because of their antiquated, unrealistic, highly judgmental and ill-informed view of what it means to have the right to an abortion. i have a message to women and to men out there who love them. we cannot wait for things to change. we can't wait for someone to do this for us. these republicans take us back 50 years and beyond. call them out. call their offices, e-mail them.

find candidates to run, support those candidates. run for office yourself. for god's sake, vote them out. there are other options as well-being considered by two democratic attorneys general all at the forefront of this issue. also joining us is symone sanders townsend. thank you all for being with us. attorney general, i'll turn to you first. what are some of the things you're able to do in the state to preserve abortion rights? >> one of the things that we did in advance even of the dobbs decision was to fight against our 1931 zombie law that we knew would come back into effect in the event that roe was overturned, which of course it was. so working together with governor whitmer, we were able

to ensure that that law was stayed and never went into effect. then we brought a ballot law in michigan that codified roe into the michigan constitution to ensure we now have constitutionally protected reproductive rights, not just abortion, but birth control, the ability to manage a miscarriage and fertility treatments as part of our constitution in michigan. we are protecting rights not just for the folks who live here in michigan, but for anyone who travels here as well. >> attorney general rosenblumro tell us about the law that passed just this week in oregon. >> good morning. this is a grim anniversary of the loss of access to abortion over a great swath of our country. that, of course, includes miscarriage care and other types of pregnancy complications.

we knew even though we had one of the best laws in the country that we needed to do something more. we saw what was coming, especially from the east. when i say east, i mean the state of idaho, which is just across the border from oregon. many of us in what we call blue states have states right next door where there are bans in place or there were trigger laws that immediately triggered a ban. idaho is one of the worst. so we've passed a new law which actually as of just wednesday hasn't even been signed into law yet which enhances our women's health equity act to ensure that providers are protected. look, they're my new heros. the medical providers in the state of oregon are ensuring that not only oregonians, but anyone who comes to our state is

going to have high-level, the best quality abortion care, reproductive health care. this law protects them from idaho trying to go after them for whatever they might do to those in our state. obviously we can't control what they do in idaho. we also have laws that will protect people who go into our clinics. believe it or not, there's still the possibility of obstruction at the clinic door. it seems like this is something from 50 years ago. i'm really proud of the new law that will soon take effect here in oregon. >> symone sanders townsend, could you just talk about the politics of this and the political challenges and opportunities? >> mika, i think on the politics of this, for 50 years the republican party apparatus had

been organizing to overturn roe v wade. when roe was overturned, there was celebration in the streets, if you will, from advocates. but elected officials were quite quiet. it is because it was similar, i think, to the affordable care act. the republican party organized for years to repeal and replace the affordable care act. when they got into power in congress, they had no plan for their health care plan. i think there was not a plan for roe here. the stories you laid out at the top of this segment are real stories. women have died. women's lives are on the line here because of this issue being sent back to the states and the bans that have been enacted. my question is mifepristone is currently still being litigated in the court. it is still available across the

country, but it is currently being litigated. what is the plan in not just michigan, but the plan from across the country? how are you working with your governor if, in fact, mifepristone is struck down and is no longer available? are you all stockpiling? can you break it down for us? >> let me first say that the democratic attorneys general association is sort of unique in that we are an organization where you can't even get endorsed by our organization without being a pro choice candidate or ag. what we've all done together is to fight on this very issue. that is fighting against the texas case, which sought to eliminate the fda's ability to approve of the manufacture and distribution of mifepristone. and we are continuing to fight. there is a washington case that was filed by ag rosenblum and

one of our fellow ags in washington state. ultimately this is going to be decided by the united states supreme court. there's no question about it. it's the first time we're going to see politics interjected into whether or not a drug is deemed to be safe to use. we know that abortion medications are safe to use and they have been for over 20 years. the supreme court will be injecting their moral and ethical approval of a drug instead of the safety of a drug, which of course is abhorrent on every level. here in michigan, it's not just a matter of stockpiling. it's a matter of seeing if we can actually produce this medication by other means here in the state of michigan so that it remains accessible. even in a state like mine, where we have total and complete abortion rights, it's not very

helpful if you can't obtain an abortion. in most counties in michigan, a surgical option simply is other very hard to procure or not available at all. we need to make sure this remains legal. we need to make sure we have available supplies of it in michigan. governor whitmer is working every day to do everything she can. she even has a task force that we put together just to brainstorm on how we're going to ensure that people retain the ability to have reproductive health care in our state. >> can i ask you about the pressure this has put? can i ask you about the providers themselves? i remember being in pennsylvania when the dobbs ruling came down. i was actually spending the day in an abortion clinic. the doctors there were in tears because they knew what was going to happen with the influx of people coming from other states

even if they managed to protect abortion rights in pennsylvania. what kind of pressure is this putting on providers in oregon as they take in people from other states around the country? >> huge pressure. it's unbelievable. again, i honor our health care providers and in particular here in oregon, our academic institution, the oregon health sciences university is actually taking in medical students and residents and fellows from other states to make sure if you're going to medical school in a banned state you can actually obtain some training so that you know how to do these procedures when you're able to wherever you choose to live. that's really huge. i've talked to a number of doctors here who literally are burning the midnight oil trying to make sure they can address and provide care to all of the individuals coming to oregon

from states like texas. we're not just talking about idaho. we're talking about south dakota, florida, louisiana, individuals coming from all over the country. think of what it does. i'm feeling bad for the doctors, but i'm particularly feeling bad for the individuals and their families who have to come up with funds, have to leave their children. it's an absolutely disastrous situation. it's not sustainable. on the subject of mifepristone, we didn't know what that word was at the time of dobbs. frankly, i'm not sure the supreme court did either. it's critical to maintain that drug to make it possible to have early abortions. that's what everybody wants ideally. let's make sure that we not only stockpile, but that as my wonderful sister colleague said, that we make sure that we are looking at all the different ways that we can continue to serve our pregnant people who

either live here and they're our next door neighbors, our kids. they're in so much need, but in particular states like mine we need to make sure those states that our republican colleagues frankly are not doing a good job of leading in this instance, we want to make sure their people can come to us to serve them. our doctors are absolutely heroic. >> ellen rosenblum and dana nessel, thank you so much for being on this morning. >> obviously the white house is marking the anniversary of the dobbs decision. we're going to hear from president biden today. he's going to be signing executive orders to try to protect women's health. that's the democratic side. eugene daniels, let's talk about the republicans. so many of them, whether it's

governor desantis, who just signed into law a restrictive abortion ban in florida. others have voiced support for abortion bans. mike pence made some news on this issue. >> we talked to mike pence yesterday. what he has been doing is basically doubling down on a nationwide ban on abortion. this is something that the republican party has not really figured out yet. they have not figured out what the plan was after roe fell. they still have yet to do so. with this election coming in full swing, he is making it a litmus test for republicans that all of them should be saying there should be a nationwide ban on abortion. more importantly, he says to mifepristone, if he was elected, he will do everything in his power to reverse their approval of mifepristone. all of these things are something that the polls show americans, including suburban

women that would typically vote for republicans are not very interested in, independents as well. he doesn't care. he talks about it as if it's going to bring in a bunch of different voters. we have not seen that be the case. he also knocked trump for his criticism of desantis's six-week ban. he said it was too harsh. these are all the things happening in the republican party. i will say these kinds of issues, there's always a concern in the political class whether or not it's going to continue to move voters. republicans are continuing to make this an issue, and democrats are using everything they can to make sure they show folks how out of touch they are with polls and how americans feel right now. >> this is such a disaster for

women. where do you see this going? >> unfortunately i think it's going to get worse before it gets better. i think we should all be honest with folks out there given the lay of the land. there are currently lots of bills that have yet to make their way through state legislatures. there's also lots of litigation on the table. in the interim, bans are in place. in the southwest part of the united states right now, if abortion is what a woman needs if, for instance, she's had a partial miscarriage and mifepristone is used to finish the miscarriage, if she lives in the southwest of the united states, she cannot get that right now. if she has an atopic pregnancy and she lives in the southwest of the united states or in idaho or nebraska, she cannot use mifepristone. a doctor will not prescribe that to her in that state. the real-life impact of what is

happening is going to manifest in the 2024 election. i think that republicans need to get it together and find out where they actually stand on this. a national abortion ban is not popular politics regardless of who anyone voted for in the last election. >> you look at the republican party and it's just inhumane on so many levels, whether it's pushing an unhealthy gun culture where everyone should have guns, lying to migrants and dumping them places, or forcing children who were raped to carry babies to term. they are leading a sick, inhumane political party at very best, especially these governors in these states. symone sanders townsend weekends at 4:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up, we'll look at the

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a few of the other stories we're following this morning. the portion of i-95 that collapsed in philadelphia earlier this month is set to partially reopen today. set to partially reopen today, looking right there live at the temporary lanes that crews have been working around the clock to build and repair. the project had initially been anticipated to take months to fix, but governor josh shapiro's office says traffic will reopen to motorists at noon today. that is incredible.

governor ron desantis is taking issue with the college accreditation process. the florida republican is suing the biden administration claiming accrediting agencies are influencing the state's universities. this as the southern association of colleges and schools raises concerns about desantis's recent education policies and the changes implemented to the state's colleges. if a school loses accreditation, it could miss out on federal grants and aid. and the creator of paramount's popular yellowstone is weighing in on the shocking departure of the show's star kevin costner. the series show runner taylor sheridan says he is disappointed by costner's abrupt exit. in an interview with the hollywood reporter, sheridan says it truncates the closure of his character. it doesn't alter it, but it truncates it. sheridan went on to hint that

john dutton, the character was never going to be afternoon for the very end of the show and that the conclusion of "yellowstone" is unchanged from his original movie script. back in 2020, president biden vowed to work hard to secure the hispanic vote, pledging to enact policies that will directly impact them. take a listen. >> to make sure we're giving hispanic americans the support and respect they deserve, we have to change our attitudes. i've laid out extensive plans to demonstrate how we're going to use every tool at our disposal to take on inequities -- >> democrats need to do even more if they want to win the twebt election. the cook political report highlights a study that analyzes latino voter trends in key battleground states. amy walter rights, quote, it paints a worrisome picture for democrats who may be hoping that

increased latino turnout in 2024 will cement their gains in key battleground states. for years the working assumption among many campaign professionals was that latino voters stayed home in midterm elections but showed up in presidential elections. as such, a district or county with a significant latino population would perform much better for democrats in a presidential year than a midterm. but republican candidates can make significant inroads with these voters, especially if they put a full court persuasion press on them while democrats only engage these voters at the very end of the campaign. joining us now, communications director of the le bray initiative, a national advocacy group for latino americans. thank you so much for being on. so what is the state of latino support for democrats? are democrats losing latino

voters? >> yes, they definitely are. i mean, the reality is i think many democrats thought that that voting demographic was baked in in their favor, and what we're see is that more latinos are identifying as independent, as swing voters. they're really willing to hear from both parties. it's important for democrats to understand this is a loss in the sense that before they could sort of count at these voters and these universities as sort of a get out the vote demographic, that towards the end of the election they could make that call and they would show up. the reality is that is not the case. they're going to have to court the vote and work hard for it. >> so sort of give me a snapshot of the mind-set here of the latino voters who are deciding that they're going to be independents or may not vote democrat. in that mind-set, what are the issues that are drawing them away from the democratic party? >> yeah, i would say it's a couple of issues. one thing when you talk to

latinos across the country, when you look at the polls, one of the biggest things is the economy. inflation specifically has created a barrier towards the american dream for latinos. the american dream is more expensive for them. they want to hear what are the policies. what has the president done? what is he going to do when it comes to the topic of the economy? a lot of polls show in general latinos view their trust towards democrats as being the party that can deliver on the economy is lower than the trust they have for democrats. that doesn't mean republicans don't have barriers on their end. these are the barriers democrats are facing when it comes to courting that issue. when it comes to immigration, democrats have made the right promises but have not been able to deliver on those promises for various reasons. but latinos now view this topic as not necessarily the party that is going to be able to deliver. they're not just looking for the promises. they're looking for results on

the topic of immigration. >> so wadi, obviously the latino vote not monolithic. whether their country of origin or where they live in the united states chaning their viewpoint. let's focus on one state, florida, it's trended away from democrats in recent cycles. this idea that the antisocialist argument has been successful. do you think it's pretty safely red right now? >> i think it's safely red, but republicans have made a lot of work in that area. if democrats genuinely want to win over hispanics across florida, they're going to have to have a strategic targeted approach. you're talking about there's the distinct backgrounds, orlando specifically, the amount of puerto ricans who have moved there in the last four or five years from the island, have to understand that this demographic is completely different than the cuban population, venezuelan and colombian in miami. in areas of south florida there

is a growing mexican population. not only is it coming to these groups, showing up early, but it's making the specific case of why these different groups should vote for them. something that democrats really have to do is go beyond, again, that traditional four-year voter that only votes in presidential races. there's approximately a million latinos who are turning 18 every year. that's projected to be for the next 15 years. these are u.s. born latinos. these are people who can register to vote. the case has to be made to them early on why. these folks aren't necessarily registering as democrat or republican. their party affiliation isn't their identity. they're going as independent. the case has to be made and florida is very unique because republicans have made a lot of headway, and they've had the results to show for it. >> the libre initiatives wadi guitan, thank you very much for being on the show this weekend. and have a great weekend,

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