are parked on grass. they are being refueled, rearmed. ukrainians keep moving from field to field. they fear if they keep those helicopters, that precious resource of which they don't have very much in a proper military base, the russians will find that base and target and destroy that aircraft with long range missiles. they keep playing this game of cat and mouse with the russians. andrea. >> raf sanchez, thanks very much to you. that does it for a busy week of this edition of "andrea mitchell reports" follow the show online on facebook and twitter @mitchellreports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. ♪♪ good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. it's a mystery with clues two and a half miles below the surface of the sea. the logistics, the stakes, and the costs now going into the multinational effort to figure out what went wrong aboard the

titanic sub. and then there's the personal loss for the families of those on board. coming up, i'll talk to the stepson of the man lovingly known as p.h. whose love of the ocean and deep see exploration ultimately led to the end of his life. also this hour, the rnc trying to force the field of 13 candidates to agree on at least one thing, supporting the eventual republican nominee. but so far it's not working. so who's going to blink first? and the name g. michael brown might not ring a bell, but he's accused of playing a key role in that so-called fake electors scheme. what his new testimony before a d.c. grand jury tells us about jack smith's case and whether it pushes us closer to any possible charges. but we begin with the search for answers in the loss of the titan sub, answers that lie in the pitch black depths of the north atlantic more than 12,000 feet down. the evidence shows that even at

the very moment the sub imploded, it sent early clues to a top secret military acoustic detection system that's meant to listen for enemy submarines. investigators now believe it was the titan's catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber, a sound that instantly killed the five people on board. but why did it happen? our own tom costello has more on what might have gone wrong. >> investigators don't yet know why the sub imploded. it might have simply surrendered to the crushing pressure nearly 400 times what it is at sea level, perhaps off a teague crack developed in the ttanium carbon fiber shell after so many deep dives. >> the coast guard said late thursday international teams are still trying to figure out what the recovery mission will look like. for now, the rovs that found the debris field will continue to search the ocean floor, but it's unclear how long that might go on. i want to bring in nbc's kristen

dahlgren in boston once again for us. robert mester. what do we know about what they're doing now? what does this effort look like? >> reporter: right, and we're learning more about that today. the u.s. coast guard is going to be taking the lead in the investigation we just learned today, and they've also asked the ntsb for help as well, so a u.s.-led effort. currently those rovs that were searching the bottom for any signs of submersible continue to comb through that debris field running patterns, trying to see what other pieces it can locate. there are still some questions that i'm curious to hear what robert has to say about this about what they're going to be able to potentially bring up to the surface, what the capability is from those rovs to recover pieces. they'll of course be looking for pieces of that carbon fiber

shell that is now suspected to have played a role. but still, a lot of questions as this investigation continues. >> i'll pick up that question kristen was asking about the difficulty and the capability of getting some of that stuff off of the ocean floor. we heard yesterday about the five major pieces that they initially saw that led them to conclude that this was an implosion and that the five people aboard were lost, but could there be much more, and again, what's involved in getting it up. >> well, there is the assets on site that can do the identification of the site to determine all the parts and pieces, and it's good that the mosaic done before by previous dives was able to be available, and they knew they had targets in the area just off the bow that were pristine, sterile before and now these other targets appeared, it was a no-brainer to get to those sites to take a look. the equipment is available. it all boils town to who's the

lead agency, and i just heard you say the coast guard, ntsb is going to take that, and then who's going to pay for this operation because by minute the cost is exorbitant. and also, we have weather conditions. the surface must be compatible for all this equipment to be launched to do the work at two and a half miles down. >> so help us to understand what exorbitant means. are we talking millions of dollars, multiple millions of dollars, and is there a kind of time line you can see understanding that you don't know what the weather is going to bring? >> yeah, there's many factors. multimillions of dollars will be spent on this. i'm sure they already have been spent. the degree and level of recovery for the investigation is going to bring about what the expenses are going to be involved in it, and they are going to be significant. we're at the point where ntsb

getting involved is good because in the future these types of missions that will be carrying people -- need to have some kind of regulations, and it's the government for the united states stepping in to say we need to take a look at this and find out really what went wrong. they're able to do a recovery, and they're able to recover each piece, much like they do with aircraft. rebuild and look at every circuit board to determine what the cost is to make sure it doesn't happen again. >> experts and nonexperts alike if you read social media about whether this is the worth the cost. as people put it very bluntly, this is five people, not to diminish the loss of life, but it is five people who knew that they were going into a risky situation. so could you learn a lot just by watching or seeing what we're able to see on the ocean floor? how critical is it to get it up, and what would we learn that a

government could say to taxpayers, here's why we're spending that money? >> well, determining the cause for the failure is number one. there's already historical background about experiments and study using carbon fibers as pressure holds. back in the 1980s, i was involved with the company that i owned two submersibles from, which were certified by a.b.s. and lloyd's registry certification to be safe for human inhabitants. and this submarine was not inspected by any of these agencies and the concept and idea about the corruption of the carbon fiber hull has been looked at in the past and deemed to be not safe. so the expense and the lessons learned by the recovery examination will hopefully move the industry forward so that should people want to make trips to the depths to take a look,

they can safely with some understanding that there's some rules and regulations. you know, 30 years ago i was of the opinion that only these two hands and these eyes were the ones that need to be down doing the work, but right now i look at it a lot different. we have robots that are on other planets gathering data and information. we do not need to physically be present. all the expense put into the construction of that submersible, 90% is designed to keep the inhabitants alive, not gather data, do tasks, not perform scientific research, not collect samples, do work. it's just to keep the people alive. and once we move past that need, which is arguable whether that's right or wrong, we send down just robotics. of course we'll never have loss of life like this, but it's just much more -- it gets us faster

into gathering the data and information that we need to make determinations about our own planet. people never realize this planet is 4/5 water, and we know less about it than we do the moon or other -- mars or soon to be other planets in the universe or in our solar system for sure. >> robert mester, thank you, kristen dahlgren we appreciate your ongoing reporting. i want to bring in john pascal who lost his stepfather, paul henri. i'm so sorry for your loss. how important is it for you to find out what happened? >> first, thank you for having me. honestly, at this point i haven't been able to process that. of course i think at some point we would like to know, but at this point we're focusing so much on the incredible person that we lost and, you know, focusing on the great memories we have of him, and how he impacted our lives and just

great, you know, happy moments and celebrating his life more than anything. >> his death is clearly a loss to research. he was a renowned titanic expert. people who knew him say maybe he knew more about the titanic wreck site than any other living human being, and you know better than anybody how much he loved it. but outside of the titanic, what would you want people to know about him? >> oh, man, he is just such a warm and loving person, but he's also this incredible, you know, prankster, and his sense of humor is unbelievable. he's just one of those people that everyone gravitated to, whether it was, you know, a party or whether he just invited, over for dinner, for a holiday party. he was always so welcoming and always thinking of other people. i think that's something that, you know, really shined in my relationship with him in terms of, you know, he was so kind to

me. you know, i know that sometimes relationships with stepparents are difficult, and they're tricky and you always want to handle them with care. i think he did that and more. he was such a big part of my life, you know, growing up. the way he treated my mom and treated me, it's just something i'll never forget, and it's just been -- it's just been very hard to process this. >> i can only imagine. i should tell you that friends who knew your mom well sent me pictures, family pictures, and i know you sent us some family pictures as well. if you look at them it's like any other family, but you had a mom and a stepfather who were both incredibly accomplished and i think that's probably an understatement. one of the things that your stepdad did was he was the underwater research program director of rms titanic for more than a decade. is there any doubt in your mind that he knew going into this the dangers, and did you ever talk

about that? were you ever worried about it? was your mom ever worried about it? >> honestly, so i had last seen him in may. we had talked about him going on this expedition, but with a lot of these, i never thought twice about it. it's just one of those things where he's done it so many times. you know, as we know he's an expert in this field. it's just something that, you know, it would honestly feel silly for me asking an expert, oh, do you feel safe doing this? of course i think he knows, you know, as best as anyone about all of this stuff, and you know, it's just one of those things i never thought about asking, you know, is it safe? who are you with? to me it was just another trip for p.h. down to the titanic. you know, i was planning on seeing him in early july as well, which obviously makes this even more difficult knowing that i was planning on seeing him soon. with this kind of stuff he was an expert. he was, you know, the most, you

know, well-known person with the titanic and i, you know, i just trusted him that he knew everything that was going into it. >> your stepsister gave an interview from her home in andora and she said what he liked the most in his life was to be in a submarine near the titanic. is there any measure of comfort for you that he died doing what he loved in a place that he loved? >> i think at some point in this grieving process i'll get there in terms of accepting that. obviously in this immediate moment, you know, we're just dealing with not having him here anymore and, you know, a father, a husband, a grandfather, you know, being lost to our family. but yeah, it's -- you know, i know how much the titanic meant to him. i know how much, frankly, the ocean meant to him. he's been on so many other dives as well and expeditions and to me the ocean was his home away from home. you know, he just felt always so

comfortable out there, and you know, i think the titanic meant so much to him. again, i can't say for certain, but i feel like he would be comfortable knowing that his body would be laid to rest near the titanic. >> john, thank you so much. we know -- i can't even imagine, honestly, what a difficult time this is, but what a lovely tribute to your stepdad. so thank you. we appreciate it. take care. >> thanks, chris. up next, how a public disagreement about a party loyalty pledge could shake the republican primary debate stage. plus, the latest sign that jack smith's investigation into january 6th is still very active and could be expanding. then later this hour, outnumbered in the sky, an exclusive look at how ukraine's air force is fighting back despite russia's aerial advantage. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. snbc

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today there is an escalating debate over the debate, the rnc is not budging on what it calls the beat biden pledge requiring candidates to promise to support whoever wins the republican nomination. >> this candidate pledge to enter the debate stage, you have to pledge to support the nominee, totally agree with you in principle. kristy calls it a useless idea, trump, i don't think you'll ever get him to sign that pledge. do you think he'll have to do away with this pledge in order to not have one person debating themselves? >> it's the republican party nomination and the pledge is staying, and anybody who wants to seek the nomination of our party should pledge to support the voters. if you go through this process and you take time on the debate stage, and you're going to be there, the number one pledge should be beat biden. it's called the beat biden pledge for a reason. at the end of the day, we all have to be united in one thing. if we can't commit who we're going to support who the voters choose as a nominee, you don't

deserve to be on the republican party debate stage. the pledge is staying. >> as kayleigh mcenany just said, presidential candidate chris christie has called this a useless idea. just today he was giving a speech in washington and was booed for criticizing the former president. all of that as the number of people called to make the pledge continues to grow. one new candidate just this week, former congressman will hurd, and while hurd is in, several more still on the fence and florida heavy weight senator rick scott is now pushing back on he's close to becoming candidate number 14. so a lot to talk about with nbc senior politics reporter jonathan allen and former chief strategist for the bush cheney campaign and msnbc political analyst matthew dowd, so jonathan, how have candidates been navigaing this crazy tight rope when it comes to the pledge. >> as you suggested in the intro, there's a spectrum of responses here.

you have will hurd who said on another network that he would not support donald trump if he's the nominee. chris christie is saying usually what you'll see from the top front runners. obviously donald trump is sort of in his own category. i don't think anyone expects him to sign the pledge, though. i think he did last time. what you're going to hear a lot of is people saying, of course i'll sign the pledge because i'm going to be the nominee, and it's a good way to sort of step aside from the question. >> this first rnc debate is 61 days away. are these folks just going to sign the pledge and potentially back out later, at least most of them? because whether trump is in the debate or not, it's probably their best chance to break out. it's the largest audience they'll have had, right? >> yeah, and it's probably the only way they're going to be able to break free from the sort of orbit of donald trump who right now occupies a heavy weight status in this. donald trump is almost running as if he's the incumbent president.

my guess is almost all of them, maybe with one or two exceptions will sign the pledge. even those exceptions may sign the pledge and back out later on. but the interesting thing will be i think a bunch of them will sign it reluctantly and act like they may or may not, but then they'll all with very few exceptions fall in line and back the nominee even if it's donald trump. but these debates are more important than anything. they're more important than raising money. they're more important than organization. these debates are the one things that set you out apart and give you the oxygen necessary to win a race like this. >> so i want to take a listen to what happened earlier today. former governor chris christie decided he was going to, yet again criticize trump, but this was in front of a conservative religious audience. take a listen. >> he's unwilling to take responsibility for any of the

mistakes that were made, any of the faults that he has and any of the things that he's done, and that is not leadership, everybody. that is a failure of leadership. and i -- you can boo all you want. >> they can boo all they want, but they can also vote all they want. i mean, they're all going to go to the polls. these are people who are very consistent voters. does that tell you anything or is it to be expected in a group like that, or is there no larger message there? >> well, i mean, the most dominant part of the republican party today is the white evangelical christians and that was that group. it's a very important group in this, most of this, the majority of which are backing donald trump today. i actually think it's a smart move on chris christie's part, smarter than anybody else not running against donald trump because chris christie is actually defining his own lane as the not donald trump, anti-donald trump candidate, and that's really the only other

lane here. there is the trump mode and then there's the not trump mode, and whoever seizes the not trump mode has an advantage, even if it's just to get to second place and start picking up a few delegates. so getting booed in that and standing out is the non-anti-donald trump candidate, i think is the smartest move right now. i'm surprised other candidates haven't chosen it because there's only two lanes. trump and the not donald trump, and whoever seizes that lane has an advantage. >> there are still a few not donald trumps who haven't gotten in yet. are we going to stop at lucky 13, or, i don't know, jonathan, are there going to be some late comers, even if it's not going to be another guy from florida. >> we may have to get more graphics, chris. >> we literally have an entire wall over here. can we show that again? i mean, that wall is huge, and it's pretty fall. >> i mean, it's -- i think it's probably hard to do the reconstruction on 30 rockefeller plaza there, but we may need

bigger walls. i think we might see a couple more candidates get in. i think for the most part you've got a pretty settled field. you've got trump of course running with basically a majority of the republican electorate in most of the polls, desantis at about a quarter of them. with regard to chris christie, he has all but made clear that his basic contention is to stop donald trump, to just punch him as much as he can, and perhaps chris christie sees that as a path to the republican nomination. but you heard from that audience and you had that beautiful call back, chris, to barack obama's binary of booing and voting that, you know, a lot of people are going to vote against chris christie if he continues along the path of hitting trump like that. >> jonathan allen, matthew dowd, what an interesting day in politics. thank you, guys. appreciate it. meantime, the republican-led house ethics committee has now issued more than 30 subpoenas and dozens of requests for information continuing its investigation into embattled new

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breaking in just the last hour, attorney general merrick garland who rarely takes questions did today once again insisting he had nothing to do with the decision to offer a plea deal to hunter biden. during a press conference, garland was asked to respond to allegations of a legal double standard. he says the decision about charges belongs solely to the u.s. attorney, david weiss. >> mr. weiss was appointed by president trump as the u.s. attorney in delaware and assigned this matter during the previous administration would be permitted to continue his investigation and to make a decision to prosecute any way in which he wanted to and in any district in which he wanted to. mr. weiss has since sent a letter to the house judiciary

committee confirming that he had that authority. i don't know how it would be possible for anybody to block him from bringing a prosecution given that he has this authority. >> he was never told no? >> he was given complete authority to make all decisions on his own. >> we'll have much more on the attorney general's comments in our next hour. . and we have new developments in special counsel jack smith's investigation of former president trump and the 2020 election interference charges. a former top trump campaign official who was accused of being part of the so-called fake electors scheme was seen entering a d.c. courthouse where a grand jury has been hearing testimony. gary michael brown had previously drawn the attention of the january 6th committee. let me bring in nbc justice reporter ryan reilly, also with us former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance. so ryan, this is not one of those household names from the investigation. who is gary michael brown? do we know anything about his

testimony or what it might be? >> you know, it's not one of those household names but he is someone who the january 6th committee played a really essential role in this whole entire endeavor, and there's a selfie photo that he actually sent from outside the capital the day before january 6th suggesting that he had delivered some of these fake electors, these so-called fake electors to congress. so he's a really pretty much a linchpin of this entire endeavor. he's being represented by stanley woodward who is a lawyer who's representing a number of people in trump world, so i think that, you know, whether or not he's cooperating is that sort of open question. i think based on the length of this testimony, perhaps not, but there is the possibility that his testimony was compelled even after he took the fifth amendment. prosecutors have the ability to grant some immunity towards that. we've seen that suggested in other cases involving some of these fake electors who testified last week. so we don't really know the details. he wasn't in there all that long. he wasn't there as long as chose fake electors who were there

last week, but i think that we're definitely getting to a pivot point very quickly in this investigation given the number of these fake electors who have testified, given the individual who was at the center of some of this and apparently delivered those votes to congress. we're really getting to the bottom of this, i think, chris. >> joyce, what is the fact that he is testifying here suggest to you? is there a chance jack smith could be pursuing a freestanding january 6th case, for example, on false electors? what do you make of this? >> yeah, it seems likely that he is conducting that investigation. what we don't know is how extensive is it and who his target defendants are. so it's possible that mr. brown could be a target defendant. it's possible like ryan says that he could have received immunity. that might have been more possible if he was able to provide information that would permit prosecutors to continue to work up the chain towards the most culpable people, but this remains, i think, one of the

known unknowns in this investigation. is jack smith really going to take on january 6th as so many people believe he should based on what's publicly known? >> our good friend and colleague harry litman suggested on twitter, joyce, that smith could be pursuing a conspiracy at the white house level possibly, but not necessarily involving trump himself. do you see that as a possibility and maybe another indication, if nothing else that smith's investigation may be broader than we knew. >> well, there were a lot of people involved in what would appear to be very clearly a conspiracy to interfere with a government function. there were notably a number of lawyers who were involved. there were people like the chief of staff mark meadows who we know has testified and has given information to prosecutors. we don't know is he a witness? is he a target? is he a cooperator? all of that remains to be seen, but the reality here is that the special counsel has the same

obligation that any other prosecutor has, and by doj policy, that's to charge the most readily provable serious crimes in connection with a criminal incident. and so in essence, this case is no different than any other matter that doj investigates. prosecutors have an obligation to move forward if there's sufficient evidence to believe that they can obtain and sustain a conviction and increasingly here it looks like there is. >> ryan, before we go, allow me to ask you what might be an annoying question, but are there any clues out there as to how close jack smith might be to making another move? >> i think we sort of are left reading these tea leaves and what all this means. it's a lot easier to get information out of defense attorneys and people who actually testified than it is to get anything out of the prosecutors here. they're pretty much a brick wall on this. they are not allowed to talk to this and there are very serious consequences if they do speak about ongoing grand jury matters. there's no bar, on the other

hand, for lawyers. we're only getting this sort of piecemeal. based on what our producers see and who we recognize outside the courtroom, who we see in that elevator going up to the third floor. it really is trying to read these little components you have and piece together this broader story of what this investigation looks like because the only people who really know that are those, you know, couple dozen people in that grand jury room who are hearing this evidence day in and day out. >> ryan reilly and joyce vance, two of my most favorite people, thank you so much. happy friday to you. meantime, kari lake is now facing a lawsuit over her false claims that she lost the arizona governor's race because of fraud. that lawsuit has been filed by maricopa county's recorder steven ritger who claims he faced death threats and lost friendships because of lies spread by lake. he is also seek ago court order to get lake to delete statements she made on social media accusing him of interfering in the election to prevent her from winning. lake of course is an outspoken

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india's prime minister, narendra modi is with vice president kamala harris and

secretary of state antony blinken right now for a lunch at the white house. their latest stop on modi's serious diplomatic foray into washington. he attended a star-studded state dinner last night, which brought together some celebrities, ceos, and politicians of every stripe. that lavish affair came after modi told a joint meeting of congress that u.s./india ties represent the defining partnership of this century. nbc's allie raffa has the latest from the white house, garrett haake is following reaction on capitol hill. so garrett, while some democratic lawmakers boycotted modi's speech as you well know, considering obviously his human rights record among other things, there clearly is a bipartisan understanding on capitol hill that india is critical to the u.s., geopolitically, economically. what are your takeaways from the speech so far as you're hearing it from people on the hill. >> reporter: chris, i think a lot of the reaction to modi, especially in context with those

concerns about his human rights records are in contrast with the other country of 1.4 billion people on the asian continent, and that's china. the idea here is that whatever you think of modi, india is a democracy and a huge one and can serve as an effective counterweight to china, and that's a concern that republicans and democrats alike have shared for quite some time. the idea and the opportunity of opening up further economic ties, further military ties, which i know we're going to talk about in greater detail here in a second is just too appealing, and so you did see, i think, this kind of appeal across the aisle here to broaden both the economic and the military partnerships with a country that can be in many ways an effective counterweight to our biggest rival in that region and is already a part of some of the kind of broader alliances across the pacific that administrations going back at least a decade now have been trying to reorient our foreign policy towards. >> so, ali, the biden administration obviously felt positively about all the

concrete commitments it was able to get from modi. we heard about that during this hour yesterday when they had that press conference. the two world leaders. but do they feel like there's still some navigating to do in terms of balancing these two things, just how much of a democracy india is versus how much we need them for these various reasons? >> reporter: yeah, chris, well, the biden administration sees really the broader goal coming out of this state visit as having been accomplished. and as you mentioned, we saw that evidenced yesterday and today with both of these leaders praising each other for this renewed relationship, the strengthening of ties between the u.s. and india. most recently in this meeting that prime minister modi, president biden, and ceos from both american and indian tech companies had in the last hour, and this stronger relationship between these two countries is mutually beneficial. you heard garrett hit on it a little bit there. modi is trying to play more of a

role on the world stage, and then you have the u.s. by strengthening its ties with india trying to counter not only chinese aggression, but also russia's aggression towards ukraine, and in having the -- this strengthened relationship and by announcing these deals that we heard these two leaders announce yesterday we're sort of weaning india off of china, off of its dependence on china and russia. these new deals yesterday that the u.s. and india are touting are set to establish among other things the establishment of production of these new jet engines that india could be using in their military. there's going to be an opening up of indian shipyards for u.s. naval vessels to be able to receive repairs. there's going to be more semiconductor chips built in india creating both american and indian jobs. so both sides walking away from this state visit between the president and prime minister

modi with the not just diplomatic but also economic wins after this. thank you both so much. up next, ukraine's aerial defense, an exclusive look inside a helicopter unit that's working to combat russian attacks from the sky. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. s" only c ♪ ♪ huh, huh, so did their dog roger. ♪ ♪ gain scent beads keep even the stinkiest stuff smelling fresh. moving forward with node- positive breast cancer is overwhelming. but i never just found my way; i made it. and did all i could to prevent recurrence. verzenio reduces the risk of recurrence of hr-positive, her2-negative, node-positive, early breast cancer with a high chance of returning, as determined by your doctor when added to hormone therapy. hormone therapy works outside the cell... while verzenio works inside to help stop the growth of cancer cells. diarrhea is common, may be severe, or cause dehydration or infection.

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>> it's hailing so hard, and a bunch of girls are stuck there in a porta-potty. >> this powerful summer twister killing four people and injuring more than a dozen others. the unrecognizable remains all that's left in the small town of matador, the area about 70 miles outside of lubbock is under a disaster declaration, many homes, businesses and buildings, reduced to devastating debris fields. >> we barely got the door shut and got down to the stairs and it had hit our house that fast. >> reporter: the dempsey family took cover in their basement as the furious funnel decimated their home in minutes. >> we could see the porch being ripped off the side of the house. it sounded like a train was coming into the house. >> reporter: do you think you're lucky you survived? >> we're blessed. >> reporter: others left with little to rebuild. >> this is our family home.

it's just like there's nothing left. >> reporter: it all capped off a week of dangerous weather across the country with over 500 reports of severe weather since sunday, including a damaging tornado in moss point, mississippi. but after the storm, the community coming together. a high school football squad teaming up to clear debris. shying a ray of hope amid the ruin. miguel almaguer nbc news. >> we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's get right to it. at this hour, decision day at the supreme court. justices give the biden administration a big win ruling eight-to-one against a republican led challenge to his immigration policies. and the search for answers after the titan tragedy, investigators now working to piece together the final mom