good to be with you, i'm katy tur. a year ago, we wondered what the country would look like post roe v. wade, now we have a clear idea, not just of what happened and the real life consequences, but what else is to come. 20 states enacted or restricted or enacted restrictions or outright bans, dozens of clinics

shut down, in some cases, doctors stopped performing what had been routine medical care out of fear of litigation or imprisonment, leaving some women with life altering conditions and scarring, both physical and emotional. on the broad end, more than 25 million women of child bearing age from 14 to 44 live in states where it is hard or impossible to get full reproductive care. millions more say those restrictions and bans go too far. by more than a two to one ratio, voters say abortion access across the country has become too difficult, rather than too easy. when put directly to the people, abortion access has largely been a winning issue. we've seen it time and time again. but when left to state lawmakers, buffeted by the safety of their gerrymandered districts, that access has been rolled back systematically. do those truths hold? how long will abortion be a

motivating issue. and are those districts really all that safe when the vast majority of women and most men say lawmakers have gone too far. joining me now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, nbc news correspondent allie raffa, and nbc news senior political editor, mark murray. you're at the faith and freedom coalition today where republican candidates are showing up and trying to convince republicans in that room to vote for them in the primaries. abortion is a big topic among the republican primaries, ali vitali, i'm sorry. tell me what they're saying on the subject, who's going where onit? >> palooza at 3:00. abortion was a central topic that continued to come up. timing is everything especially against the backdrop we're talking about here, the fact that we are almost, tomorrow,

one year post roe, post the dobbs decision. many of the folks on stage here today were celebrating that, but frankly, in my conversations that i've had with women and providers and lawmakers on the democratic side, they're seeing it exactly oppositely. i asked them how they felt one year post roe, and these are some of the responses that i got. watch. >> we've seen it over 500% increase in site visits just in the last year since dobbs, showing that people are, you know, anxious and scared, and they want to know what's going on and if they can access abortion in their state. >> and they're looking for care. >> they're looking for care. >> how do you feel now, a year out? >> i think it's worse than i had expected. >> post roe. >> when i hear the stories, like amanda is telling and mia, and the impact that that's had on our medical system, that's why we have to keep fighting. >> i think every worst fear that i had has come true, and to me, that's devastating. i would say on the flip side, i

am grateful that so many people like these two women and doctors are willing to stand up and tell people so that we can fight to change this decision in the future. >> i would say i'm exhausted. it's, you know, something that i still can't wrap my head around a year later. this is an argument that we are still having. >> we're not where i hoped we would be at this point. >> >> for amanda, now suing the state of texas over their abortion laws, it's also only just beginning. >> i feel determined because of what happened to me, and i feel determined to keep fighting until we make things better. >> reporter: and katy, i know you have had conversations on your show with amanda as well, about what she experienced in her home state of texas during her pregnancy, and the fact that she almost got to the point of sepsis or rather did get to the point of sepsis before a doctor could intervene and give they are abortion care. nevertheless, this is an active political issue here on the republican side of the aisle.

the polling that nbc news came out with today shows why this is going to be a thorny issue. even in the republican primary itself. yes, in this audience, this crowd of conservative religious voters, they want to hear a consistently anti-abortion message. nevertheless when you get to the general election, the way this manifests with women and independent voters, it becomes difficult for republican candidates who are in some ways out of step with what the national polling tells us. >> we ask the question up top, do those truths hold, abortion was an animating issue for voters in special elections, we saw voters in a red state make sure that it was enshrined in the constitution. when it's put to voters, we have seen abortion access be a winning issue. we have seen lawmakers in red places, in safe red districts roll back abortion access. do those truths still hold going forward? will it still be an animating issue, and are those districts where those republican lawmakers came from still safe, even if they roll back access to abortion?

>> yeah, katy, our poll and others can't predict the future but i can tell you what it looks like right now, and that is that abortion is an issue that not only benefits the democrat party but also ends up animating it. our most recent poll finds that 61% of all voters disapprove of the overturning of roe v. wade, 77% of women, ageing 14 to 49. 66% of suburban women, 60% of independents and a third of republicans. that's a consensus issue in our polarized, politically divisive times. and when it comes to animating people right now, the intensity, our poll finds that 87% of democrats say they strongly disapprove of the dobbs decision versus 52% of republicans who strongly approve. that's a 35 point gap. so katy, if we were having elections today, and they were being litigated on, you would certainly say it would benefit

democrats but we still have months and more than a year to go before the 2024 presidential election, all the other contests, there are going to be so many other issues and matters that we'll be litigating as well. >> ali, the white house certainly hopes that this is something that will work for them in 2024. they're trying to make sure that voters know what will be at stake, and we've seen a number of republican candidates say they want to roll back the issue federally if they were in charge. president biden, and vice president kamala harris doing today to mark the anniversary? >> yeah, katy, we have seen how much the biden administration has leaned into this issue, since the dobbs decision a year ago, specifically the vice president who's really taken the lead for the administration on this issue. so about 3:45, we expect them to leave to this event, where they will appear with a reproductive rights group at the may flower hotel, just a few blocks from here, and i think we should

fully expect them to hit on, as you mentioned, what's at stake here overall because the biden campaign is really hoping, as you mentioned, that this becomes and stays a galvanizing issue. as mark mentioned, this was a motivating factor for not just democrats, but also moderate republicans in the midterms, the biden campaign, hoping that that continues, and as we hear where alis these republicans talk about, for example, governor desantis talking about how if elected he'll nominate more conservative supreme court justices than former president trump. there's pushes for all gop presidential nominees to back a federal 15-week abortion ban. i think it's safe to assume that democrats, specifically the biden campaign will be using that messaging to their advantage as campaigning heats up leading into 2024. >> allie raffa, mark murray, coming up next, could a woman be put in jail for getting an

abortion, and is there anything congress can do to make sure that doesn't happen. plus, was the u.s. attorney investigating hunter biden blocked from bringing more serious charges. what whistleblower told congress and what ag merrick garland just said. and who is this guy and what was he doing in front of the d.c. grand jury connected to jack smith? we are back in 60 seconds. jack smith we are back in 60 seconds. the subway series? it's the perfect menu lineup. just give us a number, we got the rest. number three? the monster. six? the boss. fifteen? titan turkey. number one? the philly. oh, yeah, you probably don't want that one. look, i'm not in charge of naming the subs.

. it is federal. it is state. and it is community. and that is where we engage whether it's on campuses, changing hearts and minds, whether it's in the community promoting nonviolent alternatives for families and mothers in crisis or whether it's here in washington or a state capitol. >> real world factors about the impact of abortion restrictions on women's health care pose serious questions, a 2020 study from the commonwealth fund which supports independent research on

health care issues found that in states where abortion is restricted, the maternal death rate was 62% higher than in states with access to abortion care. >> how does that impact you to hear that figure? >> i'm appalled that the numbers are as high as they are in the united states. we need to do better. but that does not justify or cannot be used as an excuse to kill more unborn children. >> kristen welker reporting for us on pro life advocacy in the wake of the overturning of roe v. wade. skyrocketing maternal death rates disproportionately affect black women who are four times more likely to die from pregnancy related causes. those numbers have been compounded since the dobbs ruling. outcomes my next guest says she's trying to correct. joining me is democratic congresswoman from massachusetts, ayanna pressley,

thank you so much for being with us. tell us about the legislation you're introducing and what it will do. >> first, let me just reflect back on a year ago when the dobbs decision came out, gutting our rights to our bodily autonomy, and our reproductive rights and access to abortion. i was at my daughter's 8th grade graduation, and immediately filled with dread that my daughter would be growing up in a country where she had fewer rates than i grew up with. and she asked me why the following marches and protests and rallies, why do i say when we fight we win, and i said because it's true. we keep fighting, leveraging every tool available to us in this moment because abortion care is health care, and that is a fundamental human right. and i think it's important at this inflection point in our country that we are offering an affirmative vision that we are plainly affirming the need for abortion justice, that i'm using the a-word because those draconian forces at work that

seek to deny us access to this fundamental human right, they have been very blunt, so we must be just as precise, and unapologetically aspirational, and so the abortion justice act, this new north star would make necessary federal investments in abortion care, mandate medication abortion referrals, be available on all college campuses, expand physician training and investments in federal facilities, and it also requires that all health insurance coverage include abortion care, and removes immigration enforcement from clinic settings. and so we have to, in this moment, use every tool available from litigation to legislation to mobilization, i am devastated that the women of this country are victimized by those who have enlisted state legislatures, the lower courts and the supreme court as coconspirators in their

extremist agenda to deny women access to essential life saving health care, and when you talk about black women and the ma tender morbidity crisis, and the prospect of forced birth, when black women regardless of social economic status are already four times more likely to die in childbirth or post birthing complications, it is infuriating. i want to say to those seeking abortion care know that we are fighting for you. to those who have had an abortion, there is no shame in your having had an abortion, and i've introduced the abortion justice act because i want to eliminate any systemic barriers and eliminate and reduce shame and stigma when it comes to abortion. the only shame here is there are people working hard to deny you that which is your fundamental human right. >> i'm sorry to interrupt, we have a limited time, and i want to ask you a couple of questions. when you talk about removing systemic barriers to care, can

you explain what that means. how do you do that? how does the legislation fix that? >> well, it accomplishes that because, you know, first of all, the house has got to pass the women's health protection act. we need to repeal the hyde amendment, which is discriminatory and racist, and denies access. people have to understand before our rights to abortion were gutted by the supreme court, there were already many systemic barriers, and so it has only been exacerbated by this. and we need to pass the women's health protection act. president biden needs to sign that into law. we need to pass the each act, and pass the abortion justice act, which is an informative vision and a north star. abortion care is health care, and that is a fundamental human right, and finally, to republicans who do not want to get on board with this, who don't want to listen to their constituents, who want to be complicit in this extremist supreme court which has overturned the will of the

majority of the people, people take note and put them on notice because this is infuriating. while they have continued to put this essential health care out of reach, it's not going to stop people from seeking abortion. it's going to stop them from doing it safely and illegally. this is a march towards a federal ban on abortion, and so i'm grateful to the white house for their partnership and their leadership, including today's executive action, to expand access to contraceptives. >> on that subject, we heard a little bit from a piece that my colleague kristen welker put together for us. one of the questions she asked one of the women that was pro-life was in the states where abortion access has been rolled back or restricted or outright banned, the maternal death rate has gone up, and she was asked if that was an okay outcome, and she said something like, no, obviously i'm not happy with that. but it doesn't make her change the way she views the issue. is there a way to -- is there

any balance -- can you possibly have a balance when you are taking away access to abortion, and not every abortion is an abortion because somebody doesn't want to have a baby. sometimes the abortion is because the baby later on is not going to survive. or it has a debilitating and not thrivable or not survivable issue with its own self. or the mother is is not well enough to keep carrying the baby. is it possible to strike a balance between restricting the access to abortion but also maintaining access for those who absolutely need it medically? >> i think the point here, again, is abortion care is health care, and that is a fundamental right, and we have seen, you know, our worst fears realized and then some in the last year since the dobbs decision. we've seen folks denied necessary care when experiencing miscarriages, atopic pregnancies, when their health

is at risk. people being turned away from hospitals for any other type of medical care. it's really unconscionable, and as we have enumerated throughout this segment, the black morbidity crisis has worsened. that is matter of life and death. we're not being hyperbolic here. we have been worried that a day like this could come. we have seen time and time again in this country that gains are not guaranteed, which is why there have been canaries in the coal mine like myself and many justice advocates for decades. sadly, preparing for a moment like this, and while we're at it, let me just say, we need to pass the e.r.a. because the fact that women have been relegated to the second class status in this country, the fact that we are having to fight this hard for that which is essential and life saving is unconscionable and infuriating, but the state of the movement, the state of the abortion justice movement is strong. we are emboldened, i will not be a liar to my daughter. when we fight, we win, and we

will keep fighting using every tool available from the executive, from state legislatures to the halls of congress, and the electorate is going our way. they realize this is essential and abortion access is popular, we have mandates across the country from wisconsin to michigan to kansas. this movement is strong. and now we're offering this abortion justice act as a north star and an affirmative vision because we have to restore the rights that have been stripped but we also have to expand them. >> that kansas vote was notable. i want to add before i thank you that the abortion justice act also protects patients and providers, patients and providers from criminalization for seeking or performing an abortion. congresswoman. >> patients, providers and prescribers. >> thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. coming up next, a whistleblower told congress he saw a text that links president biden to his son hunter's

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kind of pushing back on that latter charge. there's also been significant pushback today from the white house and from hunter biden's attorney about probably the most explosive piece of evidence related to all of this that the whistleblowers provided, which is a whatsapp message, and i'm summarizing came out in 2017 when joe biden was no longer the vice president, not yet the president, a whatsapp message purported to be from hunter biden, saying i'm here with my dad, you better respond, we'll make your life miserable. this has been floating in the ether for 24 hours. we have responses from both the white house and the doj, with the white house saying as we've said many times before, the president was not in business with his son as part of a lengthy statement, and hunter biden's lawyers with a lengthier statement, which includes as relates to that whatsapp message, a line that says a close examination of the document released yesterday is a very biassed individual, raises

serious questions over whether it is what it claims to be, calls it dangerously misleading to make any conclusions or inferences based on this document. i'll say this, this whistleblower testimony is from serious people at the irs, and it's given under oath. they could be prosecuted if they lied. i don't think we've heard the end of this, but we have now pretty forceful push back on all of the specific claims made by these whistleblowers in their testimony. >> so we have that. a lot of interesting news on capitol hill today. there's talk among republicans about expunging donald trump's impeachments. what can you tell us about that and what has kevin mccarthy said about it. >> this is an interesting, this is an idea that came from elise stefanik, embraced by more maga members of the republican congress, including marjorie taylor green. the idea would be passing a resolution to they say, expunge these two impeachments of donald trump. there's some great research by our in-house historian, kyle stewart, our view on this on the nbc hill team is this isn't

really a thing. the idea here is basically a nonbinding resolution saying this thing that happened didn't happen, and can't functionally remove an impeachment that was voted on, that went to a trial, that was done. although it does seem like this idea is gaining some support nonetheless. kevin mccarthy was asked about it a little while ago. we got down quite a rabbit hole going back and forth, why he was supporting this idea. here's what he said to my colleagues and i. >> we've found out with durham and others, that the impeachment never should have happened. >> in what way does durham indicate the impeachment shouldn't happen? >> exactly what he said, they shouldn't have gone forward with it based on the information they had. >> he wasn't impeached on anything related to durham, doesn't have anything to do with durham. >> calm down. >> reporter: we went a couple of

rounds on this katy, the up shot here is that the speaker said he supports this idea in theory, but it doesn't sound like the kind of thing he would rush to the floor, and our priorities were out of whack in the press corps for asking about this. as i pointed out to him, there's nothing in the durham report and five hours of testimony from earlier this week that suggest donald trump should not have been impeached either on the ukraine matter or certainly on january 6th, both of which he was impeached by the house of representatives. >> january 6th had to do with the investigation into russian interference in 2016, and the alleged dealings between the trump campaign and russia. and the ukraine phone call was about donald trump finding dirt on joe biden and trying to pressure president zelenskyy, so those two things had nothing to do with each other in terms of the russia stuff. let me ask you about the other thing that's happening on capitol hill because we have you. and this is george santos. what's happening in the ethics

committee? >> reporter: oh, right, the ethics committee known for not being very fast and not very transparent, appears to be breaking with usual expectation and being kind of both. the ethics committee put out a statement yesterday around the same time we were finding out about santos bond guarantors, saying they have done 30 different subpoenas, they have expanded the scope of their investigation to include these claims of unemployment insurance fraud, which are of course part of the criminal case against george santos which have not originally been part of the ethics committee case, and unlike usually what ethics committee does business, they're not going to stand down while the doj conducts their own investigation. they're going to continue concurrently. pretty unusually robust, and aggressive posture from the ethics committee, which is of course divided evenly between the parties. more often than not leads to a slap on the wrist, here, i think, takes on extra importance given that mccarthy has made it pretty clear he's waiting to see what the ethics committee

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he's let us down. he has let us down because he's unwilling. he's unwilling to take responsibility for any of the mistakes that were made, any of the faults that he has. and any of the things that he's done. and that is not leadership, everybody. that is a failure of leadership. and i -- you can boo all you want. >> chris christie tried to convince republican voters at the faith and freedom coalition conference this morning that supporting donald trump was not worth it, that he's gone too far and gotten himself into too much trouble. case in point, the former president and now republican 2024 front runner has already been indicted twice since leaving office and a third indictment is still a real possibility. maybe even a fourth. the next one potentially connecting to his role in the

insurrection. on that note, one of his former campaign officials appeared before a federal grand jury in washington on thursday. here he is. gary michael brown was seen going into the d.c. courthouse, where special counsel jack smith has convened a federal grand jury. brown is accused of direct involvement until the fake elector scheme. joining me now is nbc news justice reporter ryan reilly and just because we have been covering so many different indictments and allegations of wrong doing, please remind us again what exactly the fake elector scheme was? >> it's tough to follow. i think generally the way we refer to this is the january 6th grand jury, and that's not quite all encompassing, it's not just about january 6th itself and the attack, what it's more about is efforts to stop the peaceful transfer of power and the fake elector scheme was part of that. what this individual, michael brown, allegedly did according to the january 6th committee's report is apparently actually bring these fake elector reports

to congress the day before the january 6th attack from various states, and delivered them, and he sent out a selfie afterwards sort of congratulations himself and saying it should be the cover of any book that he were to write in the future. so it's essentially a really essential element of this scheme overall to try to stop the peaceful transfer of power, though it doesn't relate to the certification of the electoral college votes themselves which is happening on january 6th. we know that two fake electors testified before the grand jury last week, and i think this is another indication that we're coming to a potential key moment in this decision making process with the grand jury here, katy. >> ryan reilly, thank you very much, and joining me now is msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin. give us the legal angle, why is his testimony so interesting? >> mike brown was at the center of the nerve center that

coordinated with the fake electors of six states. they were preparing everything from press releases to the actual certificates that they were asking the trump electors in these states to sign, and as ryan just talked about, not only did they do that, but on january 6th itself, i'm sorry, on the 5th when they understood that the electoral certificates from the fake electors in michigan and wisconsin hadn't yet reached the capitol, somebody had to get them personally from those two states into someone's hand on the senate floor, and who was that person? that was mike brown who worked hand in glove with his then boss, mike roman. after election day they transitioned to supervising this effort to trying to get electors in six key states certified as competitors to the states that biden won, and in an effort to,

as ryan said, prevent the peaceful transfer of power, so mike brown really at the center of this effort, and sort of a liaison between the campaign and its lawyers on one hand and the electors themselves on the other. >> so this indicates that jack smith is trying to find out more about what happened in the lead up to january 6th. this larger effort to overturn the election, i think it's a good reminder that ryan gave us, not just about what happened at the capitol that day, but it's also the broad scope of all of the ways in which the election was trying to -- fraud was trying to be committed. sorry, i'm getting lost in my own words, surrounding the 2020 election. donald trump tried to stay in power. what does it say to us about where jack smith is in this investigation? and he faces the same sort of time constraints that he does with the classic documents case, and they are both coming, potentially at the second one as

again donald trump is running for reelection? >> right. that's absolutely true, and by all indications, we are hearing that the grand jury in d.c. is sort of cycling to a close for similar reasons that you just stated, right? jack smith is up against a ticking time bomb of a clock. if he is going to diet with respect to january 6th and trump's inner circle, he best do that very soon. what does it tell us that mike brown went in today, and that two of nevada's fake electors went in last week. it's not clear, other than that may be the focus here, that rather than put the focus on trump in terms of what he did on january 6th from the ellipse and riling people up and deliberately trying to control and create that insurrection that his other criminal act might have been in respect of these fake electors.

there are multiple facets of this scheme to prevent biden from being elected as president, certified as president. the fake electors is one of them. the fact that it didn't itself result and people rioting at the capitol doesn't make it any more lawful or less a fraud on the united states. >> lisa rubin, thank you very much for untangling the knot of words i just dropped into your lap. appreciate it. and coming up next, your rehoboth beach trip in delaware, your visit to paul revere's house in boston, your new york pizza tour are all back on. what is happening outside of philadelphia that restarted summer travel? that restarted summer travel? if you wake up thinking about the market and want to make the right moves fast... get decision tech from fidelity. [ cellphone vibrates ]

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another day of dangerous temperatures in the north west melting records. >> higher than a 100 degrees. >> salem, oregon, setting an all-time high at 117 degrees. in portland where the typically cool weather means not everyone has ac, families escaping to museums to cool off. >> pretty unprecedented, pretty bad. >> others moving to cooling centers after power outages sunday left thousands in the dark. >> i mean it's already bad enough not having air-conditioning, but to have no

power at all in this heat is dangerous. >> ncaaa champ taleah brooks fating during the olympic trials over the weekend. >> she's been transported to the hospital by ambulance, and we've also been told she is okay. >> for three days in 2021 which you just saw right there it was so hot in the pacific north west that hundreds of people were hospitalized. in oregon alone 69 people died. meteorologists attributed the record breaking temperatures to a heat dome that trapped hot air over the region. now oregon's biggest county is suing the oil and gas industry blaming exxonmobil, shell, bp and others for causing those deaths and asking billions in damages. arguing extreme heat was a direct and foreseeable consequence for the defendants

decision to sell as many fossil fuel products over the last six decades as they could and lie to the county and scientific community about the catastrophic harm that pollution from those products into the earth's and county's atmosphere would cause. that's directly from the court documents. joining me now is the chair jessica vega peterson. thank you very much for being here. this suit is following a line of suits that have been filed around the country to hold the oil and gas industry accountable for the harm that they've caused to the atmosphere. what is the underlying argument that you are raising? >> yeah, you know, there are a lot of suits that are going forward to hold these companies accountable, to hold these trade associations accountable for the misinformation and the lies they've been putting out there while we have been, you know, really paying for this with our dollars and unfortunately with peoples lives because of the impacts of climate change.

what happened in oregon in the pacific north west here is we have a very specific three-day event where we had temperatures that were 40 degrees fahrenheit above normal that led to dust, that led to extreme costs and actions the county had to take on in order to respond to that. and this heat event through scientific research has been directly tie today the impacts of climate change. >> this is kind of like the argument that was made against big tobacco. that was a successful argument. do you believe that this is similar enough to get the same result? >> yeah, i do. i mean i think that we have seen whether it's been opioid cases, whether it's been big tobacco, we have seen time and time again these companies that have been putting out disinformation lies to the public to prevent them from being held responsible for

the impacts their products are having to humanity, to our communities. and this case is specifically about the fairness and accountability that's needed to -- to cause them to change their behavior. if we wait for them to do it on their own, we're going to be waiting forever. so it was important for me, it was important for my board on the county commission to go forward with this case so we can be holding them accountable in our courts. >> there's -- there's not a lot of debate about the effects of climate change when you look at the totality of the science. the vast majority of climate scientists will tell you what this is doing and who is responsible, but there are some people who will argue that it's unknown. and given that this is not a science that is as -- i'm not going to say it's not as concrete, but there are people out there who will claim it's not, is it harder to bring these cases to trial?

that the why we've seen these other cases so many of them not get to the trial stage yet? i can find a scientist who can tell you whatever you want to hear is what i'm trying to say. >> well, and these corporations are found those scientists, and i think that is the piece. i don't think there's any question in climate science about that our climate is warming and that humans are responsible for that warming. and the fact that there is questions about it, there are people who will argue against it i think is a result of this disinformation and lies that we've been hearing from these companies for decades. you know, one of our attorneys that we're working with says, like, they have known about this since 1965. they were talking about these products are having this impact and there's time to make change. that was decades -- that was before my lifetime ago. what we need to be doing is holding them accountable today, right now with the proven science, which what prufrp has proven is causing these things because we don't have a moment

to lose. our climate keeps warming, and the impacts we're feeling here and all over the county, we had the smoke in the north east where the sky was orange there just like it was for us in fall of 2020. we wait another day to take action and the science is there with us. >> the discovery process will be crucial. thank you for joining us. just want to read a couple statements from exxon and chevron. suits like this continue to waste time and do nothing to address climate change. this suit has no impact on our intention to invest billions of dollars to leading the way in thoughtful energy transition. they called it unconstitutional and a counter productive distraction. again, jessica, thank you very much for coming on. we appreciate it. and that is going to do it for me today. "deadline white house" starts right now. hi,