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>> on the eve of the first anniversary of the dobbs decision overturning roe v. wade, conservatives like mike pence say they want to further crush reproductive rights. it will be pardon to say it was rigged with a trump friendly judge. what kinds of an edge do those two facts give the former president? good evening. i'm ali velshi filling in for joy reid. we begin with post roe america. one year ago the supreme court ruled in dobbs v. america. the ruling overturned roe v. wade, the law of the land for 50 years, and remains as unpopular as ever. today major 2024 gop contenders shared the stage at the faith and freedom coalition conference

to push more restrictions on abortion. >> thank god almighty for the dobbs decision. we are creating a culture of life in america. >> i will sign a federal law to restrict abortion as well as president of the united states. >> we must not rest and must not relent until we restore the sanctity of life to the center of american law in every state in this country. >> this exact strategy to woo voters could very well backfire on republicans. 61% of voters disapprove of roe's overturn. that includes 80% of women voters between the age of 18 and 49. even 1/3 of republican voters say they disapprove. today president biden signed a wide-ranging executive order aimed at protecting and increasing access to contraception. the nation's leading reproduction rights groups,

emily's list announced their endorsements of the president along with vice president harris for re-election in 2024. the nation's top two democrats joined those organizations at a rally today. >> you know what you stand for. you know what to fight for. we stand for the freedom of every american, including the freedom of every person everywhere to make decisions about their own body. >> make no mistake about it, if somehow congress would have passed a national ban, i will veto it. court got roe right 50 years ago and be i believe congress should restore the protections of roe v. wade once and for all. >> joining me now is michelle goldberg and wendy davis, senior adviser of planned parenthood, texas votes.

to mark an anniversary none of us hoped we would be marking. joe biden said if congress rules across the country, he will veto it. >> i think wart of the problem is democrats -- roe versus wade, while it projected our rights, it allowed a lot of people, although reproductive rights groups and feminists said this was what they were plan to go do, said they were going to do, until it really happened a year ago, a lot of people didn't take this seriously so there wasn't much momentum, for example, for obama to codify r senate.

>> a year and a half ago, people said this isn't going to goe se this. even at the beginning of this, texas was at the cutting edge of reproducns it happened across the south. there are now many states in this country that have abortion restrictions. we're looking at states where abortion is banned or restricted across the country. however, in those instances where there have been statewide opportunities for feel sound out, people have said they don't want residential these restrictions. the idea that you don't want them to do that -- >> people have heard stories over and over and over again now about what the impact of these

bans have meant. for people who are trying to make very personal decisions for themselves, medical health care decisions guided by the advice of their doctors and the understanding that even though this may not be a choice that someone feels they would make for themselves, they understand what the impact to violation of privacy has been. >> michelle, these various successes across the country, whether they be in statewide votes or in the mid-term elections, this is the issue that may well have kept democrats in the position that they're in right now and still in control of the senate. these -- what does this tell you a year in? the efforts to restrict abortion are going strong and stronger than ever and playing out on the national stage and the efforts to restrict those restrictions is going strong as well. >> well, i think that something -- you know, opponents

of roe versus wade often talked about restoring abortion to the democratic process, but in fact what you find is that abortion bans really depend on the minority rule. democracy in most parts of america is the enemy of these bans. and so you see the anti-abortion movement trying to invalidate referendum, make referendums harder to pass. you see gerrymandering states to make it harder for people to express their will electorally. in state after state after state abortion rights kind of always -- almost always wins when it's an up or down question at the ballot box. >> right. >> the republican party is so captured by its anti-abortion bates that it cannot respond to the wishes maft jort without -- you know, and still win primaries so we're kind of being

ruled by a minority of minority. >> in fact, wendy, you hear less about these nationwide bans in congress because there are many republican members of congress who know this isn't going to wash where they're from. you hear much less about it in the senate. lindsey graham floated this idea some time ago. mitch mcconnell i don't even think acknowledged he said it. this idea of a congressionally imposed ban on abortion is wildly unpopular. i think a lot of republicans know it would cost them control of the house. >> that's exactly right. that's why you heard president biden today lay down that marker, that he would veto a national ban. he wants to make sure people across this country understand that that's the stakes, that it's not just states across the country where these bans have been put in place, which is 22

states now that have full or partial bans, but that this may be coming to a state that you live in even if you feel like you're not impacted right now. i believe they are going to continue to press that point. vice president harris on the campaign trail talking strongly about their support for safe legal abortion care in this country. what people in congress offer which is not only not to put a ban in place but codify the protections that roe v. wade once provided to all of us. >> where does that go, michelle. >> there has been the ability to codify it. people didn't think abortion rights was a risk. they didn't think this was a

necessity. now where does this go? >> well, i think we're a long way from being able to codify roe at the national level. let's remember, the campaign to make abortion illegal in this country was a 50 year project. hopefully it won't take 50 years but there is a very long road ahead of us to undo what the republicans have done. it requires sustained attention to judicial appointments which democrats have not been good at and it requires democratic control at the federal level.

>> let's look at how that plays out, wendy. you've seen it in north carolina and south carolina and texas and places like that where these restrictions are in place and people like you have fought them for a long time. what does fighting it at the state level look like other than in the statewide ballot questions that are up or down? as michelle says, when you ask an up or down question, you get do not add restrictions to my life. that's not how they generally work. >> michelle made the point well a few moments ago about the fact we are being ruled by a minority of the minority. we're living in gerrymandered districts that be have given control a very small percentage to dictate the outcome.

organizations like the one i work with, planned parenthood texas, working very hard not only to make sure we can win every winnable seat in the statehouse and the state senate, but that we are doing everything we can to remind people gerrymandering cannot impact a statewide election. state officials are incredibly important when it comes to redistricting. when 2030 rolls around, if we don't have statewide people in place, our democracy, our votes are diluted even further and of course our ability to regain the reproductive rights is timly hampered. >> michelle goldberg, there are things people think of as existential. democracy, climate, not dying from being shot by a gun. and abortion right.

people die when you don't give them proper treatment. there are a lot of folks who think democrats should fully lean into these, not skirt around them as they have sometimes done. what's your take on this? what about the idea of making these binary between existential things versus non-existential snings. >> we saw it work in 2022. they said voters -- >> they kbard inflation they told us. >> obviously i'm not a political strategist but we see again and again especially on abortion, people see this in their own lives. you read all of these stories not just about people who are seeking abortions but also people who have planned desperately wanted pregnancies that go wrong which is something that happens to people every single day in this country.

we're being denied treatment at the risk of their lives, their health, future fertility. the more of these stories we see, the more people will understand even if they think they are the people they can never imagine themselves getting an abortion, even if you think you would never choose to have an abortion, this is a threat to you and your family. >> it's a threat to people's rights even if it's not your own rights. thank you both. we appreciate your time tonight. up next on "the reid out," looks like trump's espionage trial will be in fort pierce. will that give him an advantage? "the reid out" is up after this.

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as preparations get underway in former president donald trump's trial in the classified documents case, we're already seeing the impact the judge aileen cannon is having on the case. in a court order unsealed earlier this week judge cannon set the trial to begin in mid august which will likely get

delayed by pretrial motions. in the southern district of florida. four options. my a.m. any, ft. lauderdale, west palm beach and fort pierce. that is the venue chosen by judge cannon. this matters. it could very well impact the pool of potential jury members to decide trump's fate. the region that feeds potential jurors to the courthouse is made up of one swing county and four others that are ruby fled their political leanings and that mr. trump won by substantial margins both 2016 and 2020. joining us is barbara mblg quade.

barbara, thank you for being with us. this is one of those things we need experts like you to help us understand. there are a couple of questions here. one is, what's the process of picking a venue for a trial within your juris diction and does anybody have to understand why you picked it? >> because this case has been assigned to judge cannon, i think the presumption is it will be in her home court, which is in fort pierce. it would be there are other reasons for a move. for example, it could be that the u.s. marshall service says we don't believe we can secure fort pierce when a former president is on trial, especially one that can illicit trial as we saw on january 6th. that could be a reason for moving it to miami. another reason is they could lack a secure place to store

information. they could have it in miami. to have to transport them all day every day and make sure they're held securely could cause challenges in the case. the presumption would be fort pierce but you could see an argument being made to move it to miami and west palm beach. >> there are always arguments about my client can't get a fair fliel x jurisdiction. sometimes judges listen to that, sometimes they don't. sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it's a legal maneuver. in this case, tell me about the importance of the argument about where this trial is held for the purposes of donald trump because he's a political entity. >> not everybody pays close

attention to the news. when you question potential jurors, it is surprising to me how many people spend their lives, working, addressing family matters and not being deeply involved in politics. the question is can you find 12 people? i think with someone like donald trump it will be much harder than any other defendant in america because he has been on the ballot, he has been the president and he is a polarizing figure. it seems likely they can find 12 people. the real trick is they're going to have to ask more questions. the government's concern is likely to have someone who might be a hold out juror to give a hung jury and a mistrial. they might have to ask more probing questions than they ordinarily do. >> obviously the prosecution is thinking about these things.

are they likely to do anything about it, say anything or do they move forward understanding they have to find a jury out of that pool of people? >> the latter. they have to feel strongly about their case no matter where in the country they try this case. it would be a bad tlook find a more favorable jury for that purpose. it could be we see the marshalls say that, but otherwise i expect the justice department to soldier on and do their best in fort pierce, wherever this ends up. >> "new york times" says mike roman is in discussions, i'm quoting here, in discussions with the office of the special

counsel that could lead to mr. roman answering questions about electors. yesterday we saw a proto say of mr. romans, a subordinate of his, who had delivered some of these before january 6th. what if figure do you think this means? >> they've been talking with people out of nevada. this is an important part of the case. it suggests fraud. it was trying to push a slate

and remove from the couldn't that was a tossup. it suggests they are closely exploring whether that is part of a january 6th indictment. >> they have limited immunity or the folks from nevada. what does that tell you in terms of where he might be in this january 6th investigation? >> when you give that limited immunity, we're not going to use the statements against you. it means this is a lower level

offender. they're going to use them tore get someone else. who was it who orchestrated this zbleem great to get your analysis. thank you. former united states attorney and professor. i didn't mean to promote you to president of the university of chicago. republican extremism takes center stage. we'll bring you all the cynt lating highlights next.

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this weekend republican lawmakers and 2024 presidential hopefuls are gathered in washington d.c. for the faith and freedom coalition conference hoping to court evangelical supporters. >> these new marxists want to give america a new religion. they want to impose on us the religion of woke. it is the religion of transgenderism. >> in florida they have found pornography in the schools. the media will say if you get

the pornography out that's somehow a book ban, which is a total hoax. >> we will end the gender ideology that is running rampant in our schools. >> that is when the poison fills the void. wokism. transgenderism, climatism, covidism, depression, anxiety, drug usage, suicide. >> what on earth is he talking about? joining me now is curt barred bardell and erin haines. i'm glad you both are all talkers. i'm stunned. he impresses me with his ability to come up with new stuff all the time. wokism, climatism. never heard of that. i'm very concerned about the

climate. i'm concerned about covid. i don't know where he threw in pornography. multi-culturalism. erin haines, canada has more people for the first time than maple trees as a direct result of its engagement of multi-culturalism, of immigration and of seeking out the world refugees to populate it. all of these things a lot of americans wear as a badge of honor, the stuff that they are carrying on about. >> well, ali, what are the maple trees doing to fight back against this surge in population? look, i mean, it's interesting, the ism on that stage but what you have not seen is any of these folks making the case for why they should be the candidate instead of donald trump

explicitly. >> right. >> for now it looks like the attendees are still sticking with trump and most of the people looking to replace him know better than to run afoul of his voters. >> it doesn't amount to a hill of beans. someone gets the top spot all the time for a week but that's not happening at the moment. there's no policy in here. if you don't like open borders, control the house, make a bill. if you don't like all these things, there's no policy being suggested to combat them. they're isms that they're scaring people with. >> right. it's rhetorical flair where there's no substance, fact or even common sense behind it. you talk about climatism? why don't we go ask the people of texas as they're burning up this week and worried about their grid failing. they're talking about

transgenderism. they are talking about it constantly. if they don't like it, maybe they should just shut up about it for crying out loud. they talk about all of these things -- let me get this straight, faith and freedom. it seems very christian, right, that we are going to make it harder for people to look different, a dump on diversity. people who don't look like you, you should be afraid of. that sounds like christian faith, jesus stuff. freedom, last time i checked, ali, it wasn't the democrats that were banning books, it wasn't the democrats saying you can't love how want to love legally. it wasn't the democrats invading this cancel culture. it's not democrats telling private enterprises like disney to go after them if you do something that we don't like. that's what the republican party is doing. i have no idea what they're talking about. >> errin, there are exactly two who have directly taken on

donald trump. asa hutchinson tends to do this and chris christie did it. let's listen to what christie said. >> he has let us down because he's unwilling, he's unwilling to take responsibility for any of the mistakes that were made. any of the faults that he has. and any of the things that he's done. and that is not leadership, everybody. that is a failure of leadership. and i -- you can boo all you want, but here's the thing. our faith teaches us that people have to take responsibility for what they do. >> now that is chris christie on a tight rope, right? he was getting booed. he was saying things that that crowd does not like at all. he's taking on donald trump directly. again, doesn't seem to get you much, errin. >> yeah. i mean, look, chris christie's

whole campaign is staked on taking trump on head on as a path to victory for him and this faith and freedom conference was supposed to be an early test of whether or not this is a viable strategy for him or any of trump's rivals. that did not go over well with this crowd. trump is closing out this conference. he's the headliner tomorrow night at their dinner gala. even the former president mike pence chose to play up the years he was loyal to trump as his vice president totally avoiding january 6th and the fact the president was literally going to leave him hanging. for now christie and asa hutchinson, very much out on a limb. that's not a strategy that is sending him to a debate stage any time soon. >> i want to talk about kevin mccarthy for a second. you've worked at the how the, kurt, so you'll understand this. the kevin mccarthy could be doing other things this week, right? he could be taking on joe biden

about a number of policy issues. he could be talking about immigration. he could have a bill, but he's not. they're talking about the impeachment of joe biden over policy differences about how he handled the southern border. impeachment is an important thing and people should be held to account but it's not about policy differences. if you don't like how someone handled policy, you should work on getting them out. this is what kevin mccarthy said. he would like to eradicate both impeachment votes, the two from history, claiming trump's behavior didn't rise to a level that merited either impeachment. interesting thought. many would disagree with him. but he's got lauren boebert and marjorie taylor greene fighting over the southern border. >> here's the thing. you can't do the false equivalencies. you can't compare joe biden to donald trump. it's two different solar systems

here. the last thing that kevin mccarthy wanted to spend the week about is an effort by his caucus to impeach president biden. there is zero appetite for that. we heard the laundry list of invented grievances that republicans are whining about at the so called faith and freedom conference. you could pass laws right now. speaker mccarthy controls the house floor. why don't you do something about it rather than talk and whine about it? if anything, this lurch towards these theatrical impeachment, which is all it is. reality tv playing out on the floor of the house brought to you by the lawyers of instruction llc. they're not doing anything with their majority so they have to try to create this atmosphere of conflict, fear, tension to try to justify their very existence when in reality when given the reins of power, which they have right now, they've chosen to do

nothing but bs pr stunts. >> the problem, errin, if they took michael steele's advice, this is the anniversary of dobbs. wildly unpopular thing. let's have a 15-week ban on abortion and a whole bunch of republicans are like, please don't do that. don't do any of that stuff because it will be really bad for us. so i suppose given the alternative, passing on popular bills that the american public doesn't actually want, this is what you get. you get a whole bunch of cats in a burlap bag carrying on and distracting kevin nbc car think and the nation from getting anything actually done. >> well, and also distracting from the abortion conversation, which i think is kind of a theme for the week. that was the other thing you didn't really hear about at the faith and freedom coalition conference. certainly you would expect it at a conference of evangelicals, to hear about that, but ralph reed

was mentioning the dobbs anniversary at this conference. i agree with kurt. c span was looking like the real housewives of congress this week. it is the latest chapter for the republican party and their divisions. you've got these two high profile members jockeying for position and influence. the result is instead of talking about hunter biden or any culture wars that they would prefer to be focused on, we're talking about a war between boebert and greene. if you're speaker mccarthy, that can't be good for business. >> both of you stick around. we're going to bring you back in a little bit. 102 years have passed since the tulsa race massacre. three survivors are still alive from that time and they're seeking justice. we'll bring you joy's interview with an author on the subject up next.

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survivors of the tulsa massacre when a white mob descended on greenwood in 1921 destroying it killing 300 people 102 years ago. it's due to their persistence that we remember the massacre at all. in his book "built from the fire "victor luckerson wrote for more than a century, greenwood has been grappling with wrong in all its combative forms. wickedness flamed white hot in 1921 but the embers continued to burn long after. tulsa wanted badly to forget, but greenwood demanded the city remember. >> congratulations. it was a three-year project? >> five-year project. it's been a long road. >> tell me what greenwood was like before the massacre? who were some of the great

residents? >> one of the pleasures was learning about the prp people. it was known as the eden of the west. it was a black utopia. i loved learning about some of the folks living there. j.h. and carly goodwin, they owned a grocery store. lulu williams, she was a entrepreneur.autonomy. she owned that gym and not her husband. i love to pull out those narratives and making people feel alive. j.b. strafford and even beyond those places, it was a place of corner stores, dive bars. whether you had a penny or $100, greenwood is a place that came alive every weekend. the maid's day off. all the maids in tulsa were off. if the women are off work, the guys are going to be out there, too. >> right. >> those are the most active days in the community as well. it was a beautiful, lively

district. somewhere that i think black folks across the country aspire to have that community. it's a tragedy we had that and it was taken so brutally for us may 31st, 1921. >> mother fletcher talked about being a little kid and it being so idyllic. you think about it in that era, the early 20th century for there to be an idyllic place for a black child to grow up. there were greenwoods that were these community. we know about how a young black >> the ongoing attack on greenwood after the massacre. talk a little bit about that. >> joy, i think it's so important that people now understand this is not about a mob. this is not what happened in greenwood is not just about nameless white men with guns going through the community. -- it's much more on institutions. a lot of times i think people

want to find a smoking gun that proves who was responsible for what happened in greenwood in 1921. but we already have the smoking guns. the smoking gun is the fact that the city of tulsa police department deputized by people in greenwood on the night of the massacre. handing them badges and stars to giving them the authority to kill black people. the smoking gun is the fact that when one white man in tulsa went to the police department, a police officer told him get busy, get a gun, kill a black person. the smoking gun is the fact that after the race massacre, real estate developers immediately's loft a scheme to siege greenwood land from black people in that community. we already understand that there are so many institutions in tulsa that were conspiring against greenwood. guess what? those institutions are still there. the tulsa government, still in power. -- the chamber of commerce, all these institutions that played a role in the race massacre stir, our ongoing today. but none of them have a tone for what they did. i think it's so important in

this moment right now, we're discussing reparations nationally. intel so we have a reparations case ongoing, these institutions be held to account. >> everything from the newspaper that you participated in the lies, and participated in the cover-up. the insurance companies that wouldn't honor claims. what is the state of greenwood today? >> i remember my very first time in greenwood, five years ago, when i started this project. i had in my mind that idyllic vision we discussed. the entrepreneurship, the success, the solidarity. i was really surprised to discover that greenwood has been taken in a lot of ways. my very first time was the anniversary of the race massacre in 2018. i suspected there to be hundreds of people out there, commemorating what had happened. showing some reverence for that sacred ground. instead, there was a baseball game going on. actually a minor league baseball stadium in greenwood. there were more people concerned with going to see the tulsa drillers play than commemorating black folks death in that community.

really i think it's a place of chilling paradoxes. you have these commemorative plaques on the sidewalks, but they have these luxury high rises that are for white folks, mainly. i really think it's a community that has suffered in some ways from hollow symbolism that permeates the space, instead of tangible outcome to benefit the folks who suffered from the massacre. three of them are still with us. >> absolutely. in a state where they're attempting to erase the history of black folks, including the back folks in greenwood. >> built from the fire, the epic story of tulsa's greenwood district, america's black wall street. victor luckerson, congratulations on writing this book. i can't wait to read it. >> thank you so much, joy. >> thank you for being here. >> up next, we've got breaking news from russia. provocative moves from the wagner mercenary group after russia has opened a criminal case against the rooftops leader. stay with us. stay with us proven over 90% effective, shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older. shingrix does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions

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yevgeny prigozhin, the leader of the wagner mercenary group, says that his forces have left ukraine and are headed into russia. this is an act that senior members of the russian military intelligence are calling a coup attempt. this comes after hours after he accused the russian military of targeting his wagner troops in ukraine with missiles. prigozhin is becoming include recently vocal in his criticism of russia's military leadership. the white house says it is monitoring the situation very closely. but is alarmed at potential tension in this military -- this nuclear armed country. i'm joined now by nbc news foreign correspondent, raf sanchez. he's in kyiv, it's the middle of night there. but raf, this is a serious development. >> this is a serious development, ali. in just the last couple of minutes, our colleagues at the white house have confirmed president biden has been briefed on this confusing situation unfolding in russia in the middle of the night. it is three a.m. here in

ukraine, it is 3m in moscow. here's what we know. the russian government, as you said, is accusing yevgeny prigozhin, the volatile head of the wagner mercenary group, of mounting a coup against the russian government. the domestic intelligence agency, the fsb, has opened a criminal case. they are accusing prigozhin of armed rebellion, and president putin has been briefed on this criminal case, which is the kremlin's way of signaling that this has approval from the very top. in the last hour, prigozhin, who has been releasing a series of audio messages all night, says he has moved his troops out of ukraine, towards the southern russian city of rostov. he says he has not met resistance from russian forces that both border gourds and regular army troops have melted away in the path of his forces. ali, we should be really clear, prigozhin is a man with a history of exaggeration.

not everything he says can be taken at face value. add to this moment, we have no independent verification that a column of wagner troops is indeed advancing into southern russia. but that is the claim that the wagner chief is making right now. it appears that the kremlin is taking no chances. russian state media says that the kremlin has tightened security in moscow, and in other russian cities. this is a government right now that appears to be preparing to fend off a coup. now, as you said, this is an enormous concern to the white house in the united states. russia is a nuclear armed country. the stakes could not be higher in terms of who is in charge there. ali. >> we're watching it closely with you. rough, i'm sorry to keep you up tonight. but i don't think you're getting much life. rough sanchez for us in ukraine. that is tonight's read out. i'm in at nine eastern filling in for alex wagner. be sure to join me to