>> that does it for me this hour. i'm alicia menendez, i will hang things over to him and more hitting. i will see you back here ten pm for continuing coverage for what's going on in russia. >> it's a very busy day. i will see you in a few hours, alicia. good evening, and welcome to a special edition of ayman tonight. everything you need to know about the evolving situation on the ground in russia over the next two hours, we're gonna break down the big complex security issues. we're gonna explain how all of these developments with the backing of group affect the war in ukraine. the nato alliance, with us right here at home. i will be speaking with ro khanna, a member of the house services committee about how the biden administration should react. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started.

tonight, we begin with breaking news out of russia. a major twist in that country's war against ukraine. vladimir putin forced to confront a rebellion within his own borders. just hours ago, we learned that if guinea prigozhin, the owner and the head of the wagner group and mercenary force that has been fighting alongside the russian military and ukraine, halted his advance on to the country's capital. that announcement came shortly after prigozhin claimed he and his fighters had captured the city of rostov-on-don home to the russian military headquarters for its war in ukraine. since their invasion last year, moscow has become dependent on the back in a group to support the war efforts as they're dwindling russian forces struggle to make significant gains inside ukrainian territory. in december, the u.s. said it believed the group had an estimated 50,000 personnel

inside ukraine alone. it made up of about 10,000 contractors and 40,000 convicts that were recruited from inside russian prisons. the mercenary group was founded in 2014 by prigozhin, a 61 year old that was previously known as putin's chef, a reference to his catering business that often served state events. prigozhin himself, a former convict turned millionaire, had been a prominent member of putin's entourage and criminal elite. but those relations rapidly broke down over the past few months, culminating with the events that we saw today. prigozhin has become increasingly public and his denouncement of the russian military, often targeting the country's top military brass including russian defense minister sergei shoigu, and -- valerie grossman -- gerasimov, excuse me, accusing them of incompetence and starving his troops of weapons and ammunition. last night, the situation took

a dramatic turn. in a series of angry videos, prigozhin claimed the russian military carried out a strike against his fighters and in response he called for this rebellion with the goal of ousting shoigu. russia's main security agency responded calling for rogozin's arrest. earlier this morning, putin condemned prigozhin's actions during an address to the nation describing it as a, quote, stab in the back against our nation and our country. tensions grew high in moscow with city officials there bracing for this offensive by the wagner unit. according to prigozhin, his forces were within 200 kilometers of the capital when an agreement was reached. belarus claims that president lukashenko brokered a deal with a vector group to stop the advance. putin's spokesperson dimitri peskov, said the criminal case against prigozhin has now been dropped and that he is actually agreed to go into exile in

belarus. although the situation appears to have calmed from an intense 24 hours, the fallout here could have lasting effects not only for moscow's war efforts in ukraine, but also for the survival of vladimir putin and his regime. joining me now is richard engel, nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard, it's good to have you with us. let's talk first of all about what we know. this agreement between the kremlin and prigozhin that apparently was brokered or perhaps even negotiated by the president of belarus. how did this deal come up, how do we know about it so far and where do you see this situation going from here as far as it pertains to the developments on the ground? >> so we know very little about the specifics of the deal. we only know what the kremlin has announced through official media or through the kremlin's spokesman.

and according to what the russians are saying, a deal was brokered and under this deal, wagner is more or less dispend did, this private mercenary army of mainly convicts, at least disbanded as a fighting force in ukraine. because buckner is much more than a group that just fights in ukraine. it also has operatives all around the world. and actually, it makes most of its money in africa where it has a service where it provides security services to african dictators, particularly in central africa, especially the central african republic. and in exchange for propping up weak governments that are facing rebellions or facing insurrections or famines, other problems of instability, the wagner group helps itself to the country's minerals. gold, diamonds, uranium, timber, whatever the countries happen

to be. we recently focused on the central african republic where the buckner group is more or less in charge. they control the government, they provide the body guarding services for the president himself. i interviewed the president, you have to go through wagner in order to get to him. wagner patrol the streets. so he has something like a pirate empire around the world. but it was his operations in ukraine, fighting this war alongside the russian military that caused so much controversy. his operations overseas, these moneymaking operations, it's unclear if he's going to be able to continue to carry them out. no mention of them so far. so the assumption is, as long as he leaves the battlefield, as long as he stops having an open fight with members of the russian military establishment, he will be allowed to live for

some amount of time in belarus and have this pirate empire around the world. but we don't exactly know what the terms of this deal we're. and there were quite surprising. a few hours ago, i and journalists around the world we're looking at flight schedules thinking, how do we get to the region? how do we get there as soon as possible? because back near was on the move. they were heading up the m4 highway on their way to moscow. they were within a few hundred yards of moscow. troops were taking the streets of the russian capital locking it down. and it looked like we could have a battle for control of the city. something that hasn't taken place in russia really since the napoleon tried to invade the country. so it seemed very serious. and there was this surprise, mysterious announcement brokered allegedly by the president of belarus who is a close ally of vladimir putin.

and is someone who has known if ghani prigozhin for 20 years according to the russian media. how much freedom he'll have in the risk, whether he will be able to continue his operations in africa, whether it's some later stage he'll be brought back into the fight, that seems unlikely at this stage. these are all still open questions, amen. >> all right, richard engel live for. us richard, we will be talking to you throughout our extended coverage for the next several hours. of more on the big picture of the significance of wagner mercenaries moving towards russia, i am speaking with -- surviving autocracy and several books about russia. marcia, thank you so much for speaking with me tonight. let me start by asking you about the implications of this and what this all means for vladimir putin's regime. today on twitter, you re-shared a passage from a piece that you had written for the new yorker a few weeks ago. you tweeted out, my argument

was and is the threat to putin's regime is not and lack of support for the war, whatever that means an aide to tele-terry and society, but in losing the monopoly on political speech and action. elaborate on that argument in light of what we have seen over the last 24 hours. >> for the last 23 years, putin has done everything he can to monopolize power, to monopolize the ability to act politically in the country, and of course monopolize force. and that has only -- his monopoly has only become stronger, especially with the jailing a year and a half ago of his main opponent alexei navalny -- two and a half years ago. and now, for the first time, in 23 years, we have seen somebody emerge and challenge putin directly. and act in the political field and the field of actual force. this is completely

unprecedented. now, to temper that a little bit, prigozhin was not directly challenging putin. he was not saying he was marching on moscow in order to bring down the president. he was -- he has very traditional view of putin as being surrounded by bad advisors and he was marching to the capital to speak to the president so that the president will do something about the ministry of defense which prigozhin believes is not doing its job. nonetheless, for the people of russia, this idea that putin no longer has the monopoly on political action and no longer has a monopoly on force is revolutionary. >> so let me ask you about the ministry of defense here for a moment. because yevgeny prigozhin, he specifically gone after, as you just said, not the president but sergei shoigu, the minister of defense. and they had a public argument last month and it was shoigu that percussion accused of ordering this rocket strike on the back in a group inside ukraine.

he was seemingly aiming to have ousted with the missionaries sent towards moscow. what do you think was prigozhin's goal right here? it seems like almost a lose lose situation for vladimir putin. if he does indulge precaution and removed the ministry of defense that he is conceding to wagner group basic security control of the country and the war of ukraine, which would demoralize the entire russian military establishment, or the scenario that you have now, where you have this almost armed rebellion make it on the outskirts of ukraine and also showing the lightning speed with which they can reach the capital almost unhindered. >> so, we have to make -- assumed that prigozhin had a strategic goal, which is a bit of an assumption. we don't know how much of a strategic thinker he is. it very much looked like a tantrum. it looked like -- you'd think that he knows the system well enough to understand that speaking to

putin and getting through to him may not be the best way to achieve his goals. so i would take that with a grain of salt. but i would think that prigozhin is fed up with the role that he feels he was forced to play in that war with ukraine. he didn't get enough support. he was wielding putin's troops. he wheels, and he claims, accurately, that his mercenary forces have taken some of the hardest battles without proper backup from the ministry of defense. and also, he feels, also correctly, that a couple of weeks ago when he was in the public debate with the ministry of defense, the presidential administration allowed the ministry of defense to prevail. and basically the defense ministry was moving in on prigozhin's mercenary force and planning to take over, to take up a hunt control of the ministry. which is something prigozhin wouldn't allow. so it's possible that an

agreement that the brokered leaves prigozhin in enough autonomy too control his mercenaries outside of the war of ukraine. for putin, that's a huge loss. because it's a huge loss in the public sphere, as i've already mentioned, because there is a competing actor now. but also it's a huge loss for him in ukraine to no longer have this aggressive force that can scripts from the prison colonies and could be used and the sly as can part. >> how does this impact vladimir pin? how do you think this kind of splintering between putin and the beckoned ripples shape how putin is perceived in the public high? perhaps if they're any adversaries within putin's orbit waiting in the moment to strike, perhaps an opposition figure or someone who wants to emerge to challenge putin, you know, he knows that this is a

historic challenge to his rule, as you set. it's different than political opposition. but how does this, for example, change putin's perception on those that may challenge his rule in the weeks, months, maybe years ahead? >> well it's kept putin's regime so stable is that he's more paranoid -- or just, that he's paranoid. and he tends to overestimate the ability of his political opponents to act against him. he has put his political opponents in prison. he jailed the oligarch mikael holdup of ski, now almost 20 years ago. and now he's jailed alex in navalny and most of his top activists, the ones who did not leave the country. so to imagine that putin would allow this kind of moment of instability to just be frozen, that he would allow prigozhin to live in belarus, which is not incidentally an independent

country, or to move to africa and to continue to challenge him from a distance, that is really hard to imagine. so i think that what we're probably looking at is an intensified crackdown. russia has been moving into an intense crackdown both for the last 11 years and particularly for the last year and a half, since the beginning of the full scale invasion of ukraine. but now we're probably looking at the likelihood of really establishing soviet style isolation. so turning of assets to the world right now altogether. or at least walking -- the and we telegram, the channel that prigozhin was. using and other semi independent and independent news, as well as foreign media. so as far as the russian opposition, such as it is, where it is, this is actually probably terrible news. >> masha gessen live for us this evening. masha, thank you very much,

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agencies are around the globe are closely monitoring the events unfolding in russia. tonight earlier today -- antony blinken spoke to g7 representatives and the eu represented about the rapidly developing situation. here to discuss this and more hold interest, let's former director for counter intelligence at the national security council. he also served as deputy head of the fbi's office in moscow, also with us, rick stengel, former under secretary of state for public diplomacy. and public affairs in the obama administration. he's also an msnbc political analyst. gentlemen, it's great to have both of you with us. holden, take us through behind the scenes here on how u.s. intelligence agencies are, a, watching the situation unfold. what are they close tracking

closely in the hours and days ahead. >> thanks for having me here. i think what they're really focused on right now is trying to understand the behind the scenes, what's going on and what were the intelligence -- the russian intelligence services doing well prigozhin was making his moves towards moscow. there's been a lot of guesswork about was he -- was hidden intelligence failure, did they not see it coming, did they not have the right to outsource to be able to tell that prigozhin was going to do this? or were they allowing that to happen? allowing it to happen because they wanted to figure out who would stand with them so they could figure out who was against putin, or perhaps they have some qualms about what is taking place. so i think the u.s. intelligence is trying to figure out where we -- mostly, but also the -- way as we are stand. and did deficient with him them that could potentially be exploited. >> rick, this is obviously the

most significant challenge to the russian state and certainly vladimir putin in recent history. what are the international implications of an unstable russia? certainly one that has perhaps more frequent attempts at power -- grabs a power, if you will, against flood rim air putin? >> they're huge, a man. if i can just piggyback on the intelligence question, i just want to point out that american intelligence has been fantastic throughout this whole process. i mean, the administration briefed leaders of congress on wednesday that this might happen. you have the head of the cia, bill burns, who's our ambassador in moscow who's probably spent more time with putin than any other american. we've been on top of it despite the fact that the white house has been silent, as they should be, because they don't want to get putin ammunition saying that the west is behind this.

but your question of the implications for russia, putin's stock is very, very down. he -- this autocratic leader who threatened to basically execute percussion for treason the day before then made a deal to let him go into exile and -- in belarus. how -- you know, the russian intelligence and military allow this to happen? people have been watching for weeks and saying how can putin allow this guy to insult him, to insult the russian military? i mean, putin's strength is very low. now. and there are repercussions, good and bad. yes there are people who probably fantasize about regime change. but russia is the world's largest nuclear power. putin backed into a corner is a dangerous thing. but i would be -- i wouldn't be buying his stop long right now, i would be shorting. it >> you bring up a really good point, and let me ask you about that which is the messaging from the white house

around what is developing in russia. we are expecting the secretary of state to do the rounds on the sunday morning show. so we will have better clarity from the white house about this. but how does the u.s. speak about the events in russia, if you will, publicly in the next 24 to 48 hours when you have some members of congress who will be unnamed questioning whether this was a cia backed coup attempt in russia and whether they had a hand in this. >> yeah, ayman, i hadn't even thought of that, it's so ludicrous that there are people who are going to be ascribing it to the u.s. intelligence. that's partially the reason why the white house and the defense department and everybody has been absolutely silent. there is the whole saying, when you're and enemy is small and there's -- you also don't want to give your enemy any ammunition to use against you. i mean, putin has reigned the entire war in ukraine as being

a fault of the west for encroaching on russia and supporting ukraine to join nato. so, i don't think anybody wants to give him that hook to hang all of this on. so they've done a really good job in staying silent. and i'm sure that they're just gonna be test to skiing when they're on the sunday shows. >> what does this mean for the back in a group at large? how does the u.s. deal with them after this apparent split with russia? >> i think we should clarify, it's a split with prigozhin. and they wanted to bring him -- it's the group under. but they serve a lot of purposes for the russian regime. they offered them plausible deniability, i'm sure you remember the i.r.a., which interfered in the u.s. elections in 2016. they run mercenary operations in africa. they were involved in syria. so they give a lot of powerful deniability and movement, treatment movement, to take actions that the russian government would not have

directly ascribed to them. so i doubt that they were mercenary group like them is going to go away completely. my guess is that they will try to preserve something. of. it but there are certainly going to be concerned about a group that isn't pulled into the putin's power structure. and that's what's happened here. prigozhin has -- essentially making money in africa. he had its own military. so it continues to grow and as we found out about a month ago, it's turned out he was potentially selling russian positions in ukraine. or trying to sell them to the ukrainians. so he was operating very independently. so i that i think is one of the reasons why they tried to bring them under the hold of the mlb. but long term, these types of proxy groups and loosely allied government groups give russia a lot of different tactical weapons that they can use throughout the war in this gray zone activity. there are not going away. >> rex, let me ask you about

something that you tweeted earlier today that caught my attention, you said for autocrats, the way up and the way down are the same, stability, not freedom or prosperity, is the only thing that putin ever offered to russians. now, he has lost that. elaborate on that for us. i interpreted it as somebody who potentially another figure within the security services or another figure within russia season of window of opportunity that vladimir putin has not been weakened. >> yes, that certainly true. i interviewed putin in 2006, and in that interview he famously said, the greatest tragedy of the 20th century was the dissolution of the soviet union. that is in effect what he offered russian citizens when he came into power. i am going to take you back to -- not to -- there was no process parity in the old soviet union, but it was stability. i will give you that stability. and maybe give you back some of the grandeur we once had. but now, with troops marching

on moscow with a war -- where they've lost 100,000 men in 18 months, we lost 60,000 men during the whole vietnam war. putin is on very shaky ground. people around the world, people in eastern europe, nato, are looking at this guy as someone who's hold on power is not but it was before. how did he tolerate all of these threats? so i don't have answers to that. this is the first act of a three act play. i don't know exactly what's gonna happen in the second act, i don't know what's gonna happen in the third act. but i do think, by the way, putin's chef is going to need his new own food taster. now >> a lot of questions about what happens to prigozhin going forward and whether or not his time in exile is a mere countdown clock. we will have to wait and see. rex dingell, holden triplett, thank you to both of you.

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voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ >> the prigozhin rebellion comes on the heels of ukraine's counteroffensive efforts for the last two, weeks ukrainian troops have been carrying out an assault on russian forces on the frontlines in the southeast. however, president volodymyr zelenskyy has said that their advances are slower than they hope. for ukraine's intelligence agency proclaimed on telegraph earlier that the russian infighting is a, quote, sign of the collapse of putin's regime. and zelenskyy has said now there is so much chaos that no lie can hide it. joining me now to discuss how the rebellion and packs the war is in itself, seven ukrainian member of parliament. thank you so much for joining us. first, i would like to get your response to the extraordinary events that are unfolding. when you and your colleagues

first heard the news, what was the first thought that went through your mind? >> truly, my first thought was, don't get overly optimistic about this. because we have been living under such stress for the last 15 months at it's easy to get overly optimistic but it's very also easy to get disillusioned. so the first thing was keep your head cool. that was the initial thing. but then, i will tell you this, with putin's address early in the morning, local time, that made it more real. because it was very unclear as to how big the extent of this march towards moscow, as they come to, be was with putin addressing the nation saying that this is a military mutiny, that things are real, that this is a big challenge to the ukrainian -- sorry, to the russian state, then it all made it real. so that, of course, it got very, very emotional. and it did get our hopes high

that someone might challenge his week redeem. slightly, it looked positive on our side. but again, our main question was, will this lead to putin actually withdrawing some of the troops from the front line in ukraine? to counteract but prigozhin was doing? that was not happening. so we have not seen that. i think that is something that we are closely following over the last 24 hours as it lasted. >> let me ask you about that specifically. you said this is insurgency, it's inflicted the most significant humiliation on putin to date. revealing the fragility of his regime. nbc news reports today that ukraine officials have seen progress in their counter offensive attacks. how do you see them, the ukrainian officials, the ukrainian military, able to exploit, perhaps even build off of the monumental of the last couple of days and weeks, especially with what has

happened today? is their window of opportunity for ukraine to seize upon the battlefield, so to speak? >> so we certainly hope so. because indeed, what this event shows is that putin is vulnerable. he had to negotiate with one of his guys. one of his close allies who certainly decided that he has the right and the opportunity to march against the rectangular russian army. so it was the biggest humiliation of putin's lifetime. and it was very public. it did show vulnerability, and it did give some openings for the your cranial military. of course it did. and there was some new saying that some ukrainian forces have taken over some positions on the left side of the dnipro river and the kherson region instate trying to take over the last couple of weeks. this was progress. it was slow, it unfortunately took up too many lives and other casualties on our side,

but this is definitely a slight progress that we have been seeing in the last couple of weeks. but we have not seen russia's withdrawal their forces to do something but progression. so it was not like a ten-week opening on the front line. but politically, on the emotional level, the psychological level of the russian soldiers who are now fighting ukrainian soldiers, there was a bit of a confusion on their side. that i could see following their telegram channels or other social medias where they were not so much following what just happened on the front line but they were reacting to whether they should join prigozhin or not join prigozhin. this leads to confusion in the ranks of russian military, which in itself will have lasting effects that now -- towards moscow. >> let me ask you, prigozhin has dismissed russians with justification for invading

ukraine as -- surprised a lot of people for somebody speaking like that and someone who had been fighting in the frontlines in ukraine. what do you make of his comments, and what do you see as his motive for rebelling against the kremlin? the cranial intelligence services must have their own insight into russia's thinking, what is happening inside. i don't know if as a member of parliament in ukraine your privy to any briefings on that. but how do you understand the motivations behind why he did this? >> i think that would be a question for us to discuss in years to come probably. because it is not like he was extremely open about his plans. but i think it could've been two motivations. one, there has been an escalating conflict between prigozhin and the military leadership in russia. i have to point out that he almost never talked about putin himself. he typically criticized shoigu who's been the ministry of

defense and the commander of the army mister grow some of. those are the guys that he was pointing it. and there are some rumors in russian social media that now as prigozhin agreed to stop his movement towards moscow that maybe there will be some changes in personnel in the positions of the ministry of defense. specifically. we don't know if that is true or not. but maybe that was his goal. maybe he wants to take over this role because he has indeed been growing in power like in this video that you're showing right now specifically i think that was the moment where it all started. so i think that maybe he was aiming at having higher positions. but i don't think that with this he tried to undermine putin. at least, not directly. because even in the audio that he recorded as they were marching towards moscow, he never said directly that he wants to take down putin. so it's a bit unclear. i think that he was aiming for

just hiring a strong political presence in russia. how that will -- you know follow in the few next weeks, we will see. because i don't believe that after what he has done he will simply leave to better respond and nothing will happen there. it's very -- without. ere. >> i want to, say it's very hard to imagine that this man who has been so involved in the inner circle of putin in the last several years will somehow despair and enjoy the rest of his life in belarus. member of ukrainian parliament, inna sovsun, think you for your time. i greatly appreciate it. after the break, reaction from the biden administration. stay with us. stay with us ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ - this is our premium platinum coverage map and this is consumer cellular's map. - i don't see the difference, do you? - well, that one's purple.

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situational reporting and affirmed their support for ukraine. biden then left for camp david and was joined by national security adviser jake sullivan who canceled a pre-planned diplomatic trip to copenhagen in light of the situation in russia. senior white house reporter for msnbc peter nichols joins us now. peter, what are you hearing from the white house on all of these developments? >> the white house has kept deliberately low key strategy. they don't get vladimir putin any kind of opening to say the white house is orchestrating events here, manipulating the situation. there is a -- vladimir putin's problem. these problems of of his own making. and they don't want to necessarily feed any impression or a false narrative from putin that the white house is coordinating this. so as to embarrass him. >> i also understand that you spoke earlier with senator chris coons who said it's on the foreign relations committee and also a closed biden ally. what was his reaction? >> he made a point that shows

how this issue could reverberate potentially in the 2024 presidential race. senator coons was saying that biden's response here low key confirmed and allies, conferring with aides, is a sharp contrast to what we might see from donald trump, for example. president biden is not tweeting, he's not speaking out he's not taking a sensitive and delicate situation and turning himself into it which is what we saw donald trump do on a number of occasions during his administration. so we can expect that the presidents campaign and allies may try to showcase how biden is reacting to this crisis and draw some contrast between how trump handled situations like this. >> trying to project himself as a stable hand in a very unstable situation, that is something that president biden has parted himself on after years of serving as well in the senate. nbc's peter nichols and live for us at the white house. peter, thank you. after the, break reaction here at home. i'm gonna be joined by democratic congressman role

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reaction to the progression rebellion and the foreign policy questions it raises for lawmakers here at home. i'm joined by democratic congressman ro khanna of california, he's a member of the armed forces committee. mr., con it's good to see you again. thank you for making time for us. i know it's been an eventful 24 hours and it's hard at times to know what has been happening inside of russia. but i want to get your reaction, your response broadly speaking to what we've seen today and what this all means. >> today, there are three overarching principles. first, there's a good thing that there is de-escalation and resolution. the last thing that the world needs is an unstable russia, a nuclear power, that could devolve into civil war. so the fact that there is some

resolution is good. the second, we need to applaud president biden's leadership. he gathered all the intelligence, he gathered all allies on the phone right away and he has restrained and matured in judgment knock aggravating the situation, not providing the situation. and third, he has reaffirmed our commitment nato's commitment to stand by ukraine. and that i think is very important. the wagner mercenaries are -- being widely described as the most significant challenge to vladimir putin's hold on power in more than two decades. and ultimately of course they turned back before they made it to moscow. do you think that this event will open the floodgates for more challenges to vladimir putin's rule? what kinds of signal does it send to political actors, both within russia and internationally? >> first let me be clear that the united states policy is to stand by ukraine to protect

ukraine's sovereignty. it has nothing to do with interfering in russia. the president has been very clear about that. i do think this shows that there is a political just concert meant and political backlash against putin, and that the war hasn't gone as well as russians probably had hoped for. the fact is that it's good that the situation isn't going to devolve into a civil war, and the united states should be cheering for that. but it shows that putin really has to consider some of the backlash of its own people. >> you remember the house armed services committee, what kinds of conversations do you expect to have in the coming days with your colleagues about these events? what kinds of questions concerning what has happened in russia do you have right now that you would like the administration to answer? not in terms of answering in terms of accountability, but answering in terms of what types of intelligence they may be privy to that you might want to see and understand. >> we need to understand what

this exact deal was with prigozhin. is he still going to have any role? are there going to be any steps, sanctions against him? i know that they say that there are not, but what does that mean? author going to be changes in the russian army, and at the top levels? i think there is a lot that is unclear. and then of course we need to know what it means for the fight in ukraine. my understanding is so far that russia has not withdrawn any of its troops. what is a posture of russia going to be with ukraine? but i think again, this is why the president has handled this exactly correctly. he hasn't gone out and opined, he hasn't provoked the situation. he's gotten the allies all on the same page, and i'm sure he will be briefing the on services committee and for people in his administration. >> let me congress -- trump, former president trump called the situation on his

social media platform, he called the situation in russia a quote, big mess. your thoughts on how you think pivots events will impact your republican colleagues approach to the war in ukraine? you've already had your fellow congresswoman marjorie taylor greene, a republican, pose the question that she hopes that the u.s. government or this administration was not behind what was happening today in russia. >> that's just irresponsible. of course the united states was not behind that. and any american patriots should not be impugning, it's not imputing president biden. it's impugning our military, it's imputing our intelligence agencies. i had a very constructive conversation with people at the department of defense. they made it clear that we are not intervening in russia. we won actually the situation to stabilize. what we want to make sure is a reaffirmation of our support

for ukraine. for the integrity of ukraine. by the way, there is a very simple way for this war to -- that is for russia to -- the day they do that, the war ends. and i hope that they're about 300 congresspeople, all of the democrats and 100 republicans who share that view. i am hopeful that that will continue. >> finally, remains a congressman to be seen how at the kremlin and wagner group scuffle will impact the warned ukraine. as you're talking about. you're saying that it's a priority to maintain that territorial integrity. -- invasion of ukraine. if not the invasion, certainly afterwards. and prigozhin, he is not criticize putin for his poor military strategy. how do you think these latest developments actually impact the fighting on the ground? do you see a window of opportunity that the united states and its allies could exploit, to change the momentum or the dynamics on the battlefield?

>> it's too early to speculate on that, especially because russia so far has not withdrawn their forces from the border. prigozhin, by many accounts, was not very effective. and in some cases had an even more lethal approach than putin, when it comes to war. so i don't think we should necessarily be cheering for him. i think we need to just have a sober approach, get all of the intelligence and realize that ukraine is still in a difficult struggle and that we need to continue to support them in this counteroffensive, so that they can take back some of the land and territory that belongs to them. and i'm going to continue to stand by president biden, but it's important to recognize why we need president biden's leadership exactly at moments like this. >> democratic congressman ro khanna of california, it's always a good pleasure. no the second hour of a man begins right after a quick break. don't go anywhere. nywhere.

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ayman let's reset and assess where we are at the beginning of this second hour. tonight, we're following a pivotal turning point in the war in ukraine, an internal military rebellion in russia. -- leader of the brutal wagner military group, yevgeny prigozhin. it comes just