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from the kremlin. on the road to the capital, wagner mercenary forces seize military headquarters in two, cities prompting an angry response. >> this is treason in the face of those who are fighting on the front. this is a step in the back of our troops, and the people of russia. wagner's leader and its forces are cheered as they withdraw from rostov. you have ghani prigozhin, the man dubbed putin's pitbull will now move to belarus with repercussions in russia's military offensive in ukraine. also this morning -- the prime minister is criticize for reportedly planning to block pay rises for public sector workers next year. plus, how glastonbury went from, grime to glam.
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hello, good morning. the russian president vladimir putin has faced the most serious threat yet to his leadership, the mercenary leader yevgeny prigozhin whose forces have fought for the kremlin in key battles joined the war in ukraine, seized control of the russian city acting as the merchant for the invasion, and headed towards moscow, but yesterday evening mr. prigozhin ordered his forces to halt their march two, and his, warts avoid shutting russian blood. he will according to the kremlin, now move to belarus, and those involved in the rebellion including progression will not face prosecution, in a national address earlier, vladimir putin had vowed to crush what he called, an armed rebellion, and said, russia's very existence was under threat. >> well as you can, see
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prigozhin and his troops were cheered as they withdrew from rostov-on-don where they had seized control of the city's military headquarters. after the deal with the kremlin was announced, wagner's leader said, he had decided to withdraw to avoid shutting russian blood. so, the rebellion began early yesterday morning in rostov-on-don, when wagner group forces occupied the headquarters for russia's military operations in ukraine. then, seized control of military facilities in -- around 500 kilometers south of moscow. a mercenary convoy than advanced north of -- along the m4 motorway to moscow. russian forces than erected defensive positions and blockaded main roads and bridges along the routes, before the order was given for mercenaries to stand down. sky security and defense editor
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deborah haines has our force to report. >> russian mercenaries swapped trench warfare in ukraine, for armed rebellion home. their leader vowed to march on moscow in the greatest threat to lead me a putin's rule. it triggered heightened security, global scrutiny, and this extraordinary statement from the president. >> this is a criminal adventurous stick campaign, this is equivalent to armed mutiny. russia will defend itself, and repel this move. we are fighting for the life and security of our citizens, and our territorial integrity. it is an attempt to subvert us from inside. this is treason in the face of, those who are fighting on the front. this is a stab in the back of our troops, and the people of russia. >> the uprising by the head of the wagner mercenary group put the country on a knife edge.
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but with a convoy of his fight is closing in on moscow, you have gunning prigozhin seemingly blinked. >> wagner company, they wanted to disband us, we started out on the march for justice on the 20, third in 24 hours we reached within 200 kilometers of moscow, and over the, time we did not shed a single drop of immense blood. now though, the time has come where blood might be shed, therefore mindful of the responsibility of the russian blood might be shed by one of the parties, we are turning our, columns around and moving off in the opposite direction to the field camps, according to plan. >> the uterine averted the prospect of internal warfare inside russia for, now it marked the latest twist in a day of confrontation, and confusion, hours earlier, wagner forces seized the city of rostov-on-don on russia's southern border.
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the wagner boss said, he was seeking revenge, after accusing russian military chiefs of killing his men in ukraine, even though they are fighting on the same side. >> we are in the military headquarters, while stops the military sites are under the control of the wagner fighters, including the airbase, just at least for combative part in normal mode, there are not any problems. >> in reality, this was not a problem, but a potential catastrophe for president putin, an explosion shook a second city, followed by missiles just missing a military colic up there. in the, chaos and oiled up was set ablaze, the head of wagner claimed, russian forces were targeting his men as they push towards moscow, on the streets of the capital there was a
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heightened security presence, but no sense of panic. information is tightly controlled here, and loyalty to the president still strong, -- >> you know, we have to listen to putin in this case and support him >> i feel very negatively about prigozhin, because no matter what happens, you cannot go against the government, against the president in a combat situation, is a clear enemy. >> ukraine and its western allies watched the spectacle unfold, making their own interpretations. >> the man from the kremlin is obviously very, frayed and probably hiding somewhere not showing himself, i'm sure that he is no longer in moscow, he goes somewhere and asks something. you know, what he's afraid of, because he himself has created this threat. >> by nightfall, wagner forces appeared to be making good on their word to withdraw, the
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kremlin was also making peace, saying prigozhin will no longer face criminal charges, and instead will relocate to next door belarus. whether it was all just, theater or a genuine threat to the state, one thing is, certain the drama in russia is far from over. debra haynes, sky news. >> well, wagner mercenary forces have been central to russia's war efforts in ukraine, most notably leading the capture of the town of bakhmut. that is even as the rebellion headed towards moscow, there was little concern from residents in ukraine's east as they assess the damage of yet another missile strike. our international editor dominic is in the central ukrainian city of dnipro, and sent us this report. >> whatever is going on in
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russia, no change in kyiv, another, night another civilian targets struck leaving several dead, and while the coup unfolded in russia, in the ukrainian city of, dnipro a russian missile did this. after a year and a half of, war people we spoke to here we're not getting too worked up about events in russia. >> i do not know, i did not give a dam about what is happening in russia, let them kill each other, -- we do not give -- a for that country we do not care at all. >> i'm happy about this, the aggressor needs to be punished. >> yevgeny prigozhin has been one of the most brutal and -- the leader of the wagner group, a private mercenary army tolerated by vladimir putin to his cost. >> putin in many ways has brought this about himself, not least by conducting a catastrophic war that he couldn't win in ukraine, but indeed creating this kind of frankenstein monster of a
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wagner and prigozhin. he created i think to create the visions intentions amongst the people underneath them, so that they wouldn't there a challenge him from the leadership. >> the wagner leader has been one of ukraine's more formidable enemies. his forces, the most effective in the russian war effort. >> most recently, taking the symbolic city of bakhmut, is mutiny against the government holds out the hope of a shorter war, perhaps, but, also an even more unpredictable and ruthless man in the kremlin should he ever prevail. it is of, course too early to say how this plays out in, russia let alone for ukraine, potential civil war in russia does not mean much changes to ukrainians on the home front, the chances of this happening to their property or business remains a constant threat, at least for now. they can hope for change in russia in the war, but tiller,
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comes the grim reality they have known for a year and a half goes on. dominic waghorn, sky news, dnipro. >> and, i was security and defense editor deborah haines gave this update to my colleague a little earlier. >> no one knew what was going to happen in terms of vladimir putin's regime, even as prigozhin and his men said they would advance into this first city and were planning to march on moscow, india, later after this extraordinary unfolding of events, the missiles fired, fires blazing, and troops, forces, mercenary forces moving towards moscow, it is all suddenly being, switched off and turned back and it is a very very confusing as to, what exactly has been achieved what exactly was the intention in the first, place clearly president putin has been rattled from that statement he
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gave earlier, but what has prigozhin secured in order to turn off his advance, what leverage is being used against him? his main beef is with the heads of the military, and the heads of the ministry of defense, what lies in store for? them what is their? fate all we know for now is that prigozhin is not going to face criminal charges anymore, he is going to be off exiled and galleries, presumably still able to talk and expressed his opinions, but what does it mean for his fighters on the? ground the war in? ukraine and also the future sustainability of the putin regime? >> and, debra, in terms of the wagner group and their future involvement in the war in ukraine, what happens then? >> well, that is a big question, they have a been a fundamental element in terms of cannon father, throwing many of them convicts, seemingly without care for their well-being, towards ukrainian forces, they
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were not very effective as a professional fighting force, but they were effective in terms of using up ukrainian ammunition, forcing ukrainian forces to take other greater risk to try and secure and take back territory, were to defend their own, lines without that cannon, father russia does have a huge military, but it does leave a hole in its ability to -- defense operations. >> and, our more correspondent diane has been looking at the background of the wagner group, and its controversial leader yevgeny prigozhin. before that news yesterday evening of his apparent exile to belarus. >> you have gone in prigozhin's the bruising philonise's boss of the mercenary group wagner whose forces the recently captured the ukrainian city of bakhmut. he says, why he thinks about the way the war is going, and he is slated of the russian armed forces in a way that
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nobody else gets a with. >> this is the kind of addressed we have gotten used to seeing from yevgeny prigozhin, direct camera, not mincing his voice a lot of explosives and they're criticizing the top military of the russian army, discretion -- which most people go to jail for, but you've gone in prigozhin does not. and basically, every time, he wants more ammunition, he gets on, camera who, screams and he gets them. this time last year, most people in russia wouldn't know anything about you've gone and progression, but since the last
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one in bakhmut, he has become popular. this caused quite a stir, -- >> [speaking non-english] >> that was suggest, and people thought he was talking about vladimir putin, he then backtracked, and said actually, i meant the chief of the general, staff at the guy who runs things in ukraine, who he hates almost as much as he hits the defense minister, but, this was a moment where you did wonder whether putin might not step in and trying to deal with him. but, putin hasn't. prigozhin understands his role in the putin system, apart from that one slip, he has never criticize vladimir putin directly, he has never been the hand that feeds him. for all his racing manner though, he has proven himself to be quite a leader of man, and he is going around the regions and talking to the wives, and the mothers who have lost their children, their sons, their children in ukraine. he has done a lot more than
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vladimir putin has. these are tragic scenes, here he is laying a wreath at the grave of yet another man who has been lost on the battlefield. this woman, he's about to present with a car, as though that makes up for the loss of a loved one. but at least he is doing it, and i think that has won him a degree of support, and sympathy, and people do agree with the stuff he is saying, he says what needs to be said, and what nobody else is saying. and here, you can see him with his men, marking and. we haven't seen vladimir putin, he is only in his business suit in moscow. let's take a moment to think about what wagner has done for the russian armed forces. for months, it fought around the city of bakhmut, a horrific battle in which tens of thousands of people died, you know, so many of the prisoners who were recruited by yevgeny prigozhin have been killed in the rubble of bakhmut.
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just take a look at those pictures. it is a city that was utterly decimated, and where so many people on both sides were killed. and, the question is, what was it all for? bakhmut is not a strategically particularly important city. but, it is come at such a huge cost, the ability to wave that flag above the rubble. >> diana magnay reporting there. let's move on to our other main story this morning -- trade unions have reacted angrily to -- the prime minister could block pay raises for public sector workers. it has been reported that the pay review bodies, which make recommendations to governments on the appropriate levels for pay increases could be overruled in their suggestion for a 6% rise, as rishi sunak attempts to bring down persistently high levels of inflation. skies
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sky political reports -- >> he's the prime minister about to block pay rises for public sector workers. >> what do we want? fair pay? >> when do we want it? now. >> -- over months. >> now, number 10 is considering recommendations from independent pay-per-view bodies and won't say whether they will step in if they think they are too high. but rishi sunak and his chance of said repeatedly that keeping that inflation is the priority, and rising wages could put -- at risk. >> -- there's just no evidence that public sector pay is driving inflation. the public sector workers had seen a -- in real terms for over a decade. >> but many conservative mps believe the governments approach will pay off in the end. >> the prime minister has a very, very difficult -- this is probably his most
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difficult decision. and he has fully seized on it. as chancellor, he's got his mind all over the numbers. as i say, he learned from the 70s and the 90s that once this domestic inflation gets embedded, it is very difficult to get rid of. and it affects everybody. >> and he made his position clear once again this week, saying that whilst pay offers need to be fair, wage and price spirals are not going to help anybody. this is mean the prime minister could go as far as overruling the independent pay bodies? >> i would be pretty concerned if they actually chose to overturn in any significant way. i think there is a legal course, which is accept that -- fund, which means that they will look for efficiencies from departments. >> it just another problem looming over number 10, and a prime minister determined to put the economy first, whatever the cost. liz bates, sky news,
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westminster. >> now, it's a year since the u.s. supreme court overturned roe v. wade, ending the national right for women in america to have an abortion. individual states now determine access determinations and some have all but banned them sky ' s u.s. correspondent -- >> there is little -- long days are spent working at a factory. in evenings with her young family -- >> daughter zoe was born last february and five months later, may run was pregnant again after birth control failed. she was told early on the embryo implanted in scar tissue from a caesarean session section. at any point, a doctor warned, the pregnancy could rupture and blew open her uterus. >> he said it would could kill me. like, it was life or death. but >> thousands of miles away,
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a seismic moment in american history changed everything. the supreme court had just overturned roe versus wade, stripping women of the constitutional right to choose. it was now up to individual state governments to decide. and a new law in tennessee was triggered, banning abortion entirely -- effectively mayron effectively was -- and six months later, it nearly did -- >> -- i was just gushing blood at this time. it was horrible. i had -- in front of my door, just blood everywhere. there was nothing you were going to -- unless i was on the verge of dying. >> elaine i was born three months premature and, miraculously, survived. but had mayron to have an emergency hysterectomies to save her life. her hopes of carrying another child in the future were stripped away. >> how does it feel, mayron, to have that decision taken out of your hands?
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>> it was horrible. it took away the choice of my family, my sanity. >> baby elena spent the first week of her life in intensive care. and her long term health is uncertain. >> i'm blessed. she's here. i feel sad because i didn't feel like -- i don't feel like i had my -- in my pregnancy. i felt, obviously, scared, terrified. i would never want to go through that again. >> even some of those who initially supported an abortion ban here or softening their stance. senator richard briggs sponsor the tennessee trigger law but admits he never thought it would come into effect. >> do you regret signing the right to life bill? >> i really don't regret signing it. because we don't need to be terminating pregnancies on normal children. and i know there is unusual circumstances. and i don't regret signing it.
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maybe we should have had more discussion. >> -- i've spoken to a woman who nearly bled to death twice. >> if the woman had a condition where her life or health was in jeopardy, she should have been able to be treated. >> but she wasn't. she wasn't. because doctors in the states were too scared to give her abortion health care. so, she nearly bled to death twice, because of the law that you cosponsored. >> well -- >> do you apologize to her? >> that was a bad aspect of the law. >> tennessee's abortion law does -- allow -- if the life of the mother is at risk. but it remains one of the most severe in the country. it is a -- lottery for care here. and the restrictions hit the poorest hardest. while politicians across america discuss and debate reproductive rights, the women who were stripped of their right to choose reckon with a
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-- thunderstorms clear, fresher air. torms clear, fresher air. >> time now for another look at today's newspaper with julian joseph. >> you are watching the press preview -- front pages as they arrive -- in the next half hour. we will see what is making headlines for the -- and it's -- and the evening standard, defense editor. and -- let's see what some of those -- front pages -- led with the situation in russia. the sunday telegraph says the wagner group forces threatening moscow have turned back after striking -- vladimir putin not to --
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any russian blood. that -- former -- whole incident has left -- humiliated and -- front of the sunday express. much on the brink. in the headline in the sunday near or, putin pushed to the brink. the star says the russian president has vanished from moscow and -- wagner group leader yevgeny prigozhin with the headline, putin -- did to deflect the rebellion away from moscow -- >> did he perhaps offer prigozhin a multi million pound bribe? the -- says that's what security forces are wondering at the moment. -- people also -- pictured both men with the headline dogs of war. reminder that by scanning the q r code you are seeing on the screen during the program can check at the front pages of tomorrow's newspapers by --
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and we are joined tonight by journalist and also -- and the evening standard's defense editor robert fox. let's start by just having a look at the express and in this section if you don't -- what this means for putin and the -- for the wagner group and -- perhaps after the break. but starting with the express and the bold headline, garcia on the brink. what is your interpretation of that headline, christina? >> in a sense, it would -- slightly more sense earlier in the -- because the sense was that russia was on the brink of civil war -- and i think that as prigozhin -- as prigozhin with -- moscow, it look to -- as if russia -- now that they've done some kind of deal it looks less like that but --
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even more instability. because putin has made himself the extremely weak. he has very clearly given in, undermined. he has made a deal for. the first time publicly he's -- authority has been challenged. and he has crumbled. so, what russia -- we don't know what -- will be for russia. but we do know that this is a massive, massive humiliation for putin. and this cannot -- position and it can only lead to instability of one kind or another in russia. >> and robert, do you believe that analysis that russia was -- on the brink of civil war. and the rebellion made its way to moscow? its way >> it wasn't clear. because there were too few people involved with too few covering an enormous distance. what could 25,000 wagner troops
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have -- training -- some of them are but -- training. what could they have really done? with the putin on the brink -- quite a good headline. rush on the brink to. on the brink of what? i think we need to turn the -- ukraine. and ukrainians in the middle of a very -- fairly difficult summer offensive -- chirac -- big gains. territory clawed back from russia and russia -- but one of the names of the offensive is destruction, is really to upset the russians and extraordinary thing happened behind the scenes, in the leadership, in that -- as a colic. i'm surprised it really hasn't come up too strongly in the -- here. much lee for a psychological war -- the cranes haven't done too brightly over the past weekend, in fact, because the upset, the
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equilibrium in moscow. and i think this is the big consequence, putin is a survivor. he's a hard man. but the very -- to watch how he recovers from. this he is -- out of touch ever since he gave in to the absolute -- that he had about covid. >> -- zelenskyy has gone on record as saying that -- actually frightened amidst chaos -- russia. the sunday times there, suggesting that putin has been humiliated. would you agree that that is a fair description, christina? >> absolutely. and i think zelenskyy -- messaging and communication and truly -- russia -- and putin on that front. he is absolutely right that putin looks weak and --
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humiliated and from that point of view as robert said, ukraine has made enormous advances in >> -- psychological instability and also completely agree that since covid, i mean, we saw those -- putin sitting at the -- long tables and handle those stories about him hiding in bunkers and actually -- winter palace in the rest of it. clearly he has lost. he has lost some sense of reality. and that also he has also reached that point in the -- because obviously it is a dictatorship but -- no one ever stands up to him. and it -- this whole thing has been that he is someone who has put up two and the shocking scene that the hardman crumbles and, stand up to him. so, it is very -- i mean, he has been humiliated. he knows he is being humiliated. and he looks shaky when he made
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a speech to the russian people this morning, very short speech. and that the reports been seeing moscow, and -- we don't know where or as to -- north of the country -- so, definitely, his position has been weekend weekend. what we don't know yet is what his -- will be and so i think it can be -- concept is -- ar is -- just -- down or all -- some lovely leaders and -- rescue russia and the world from this horrible situation. i wish that were the case. what this is not, whatever this is, it's not it's not fantastic news -- it is -- weekend but we -- better. >> yeah, not in that, vein, robert. how -- establishing and reaffirming his power? >> first of all, we've got to know what the deal was. i think that what prigozhin has
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stressed in his demands and possibly what he got out of the agreement is what a mess the organization and the command of russia's forces -- overwhelmingly superior to those of ukraine in number and, actually, in quality of equipment. and -- i'm sorry to go back to 2014, crimea, ukraine was a small-ish prime to modernize soviet -- it wasn't terribly good. and that's -- a sort -- of hundred 30,000 troops when piling in on the 24th of february last year, could actually they -- but it was a massive -- before it would again be -- a zelenskyy -- general. well, they have done terribly well on that. and the point is that the -- seems to -- be the ruble only seems to -- be with a loss of the russian
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-- people shoigu -- who is supposed to -- the whole shaking match to the -- russian force -- 2012. as to why ukraine is doing so well. and it is just western weaponry. it is techniques and know how that they have picked up. and they have done a lot with relatively little. but it's of course what they call the moral component. one lot really believes in what they are doing, which is defending their home. and the other, particularly mr. prigozhin mercenary wagner right that -- believe in anything much and i -- back -- one of the reasons -- prigozhin -- what has happened over the -- eight days. and that absolutely -- what has gone on between prigozhin and the representatives of putin and the strange deal with a man who is down and -- lukashenko of belarus and --
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very strange but it looks -- >> christina, we -- western diplomats and this evening here on sky news and the overriding thought is that the west should stay out of developments that we see throughout the day. do you agree with that analysis? >> i'm hardly in a position to -- but i think that that sounds wise because what putin is looking for is excuses to -- his narrative that all of this is essentially a western shot against russia and that ukraine is not the -- and the west is bolstering ukraine and that sort of weird not see nazi assault on russia, which is, of course, entirely
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influence imagination -- commenting on the media, including us about what the implications of this implications might be. but if the -- basically and that -- the hope would be that it is a mess that -- strengthened ukraine. unfortunately, we can't know that. but i think it -- eye it does worry me when i see newspapers making rather triumphalist comments about how this is all -- ukraine and everybody can't -- ukraine. i think everybody or most of us in this country, if not everybody, once ukraine to win. we are on the side of ukraine. we are putting -- into weapons for ukraine. and if they are so evidently the injured party here, but this is not a straightforward situation. and i think the -- comment that this is -- that ukraine is on a path to victory doesn't really help anyone. this is a mess. it's simply a mess that -- long time. and we just have to hope that
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what could happen in the last day could not actually make it even worse. >> okay, christina and robert. thank you very much for the moment. we are going to take a break. coming up, this -- on the inside of the express with -- british tech experts are helping ukrainian troops want a fresh cyber offensive. do stay with us for much more. us for much more. somedays, i cover up because of my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now i feel free to bare my skin, thanks to skyrizi. ♪(uplifting music)♪ ♪nothing is everything♪ i'm celebrating my clearer skin... my way. with skyrizi, 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. in another study, most people had 90% clearer skin, even at 5 years. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses.
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watching the press previews -- journalist and author christina patterson and the evening standard defense editor, robert fox. let's start off the section by having a look at the telegraph and their article looking at the deal that was struck with prigozhin, involving lukashenko as mediator. robert, he volunteered to step up for -- what do we know about that, christina? about the deal? >> we don't know very much, actually. we know that, basically, putin has -- that prigozhin can -- i have no idea why he would want to do that, but presumably that he would be safe there. and -- that putin has said that the criminal charges he has announced this morning, you do with being a traitor after 20
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years in jail have been withdrawn. beyond that, we don't really know. there are reports of a multi million pound bribe, essentially. but it's basically speculation. we just -- there are also reports that -- that putin had been planning to withdraw the wagner group, or rather, disbanded, innocence, withdrawn from the russian -- and that, apparently, has been called off. but we don't know exactly what deal has been reached. we only know that, essentially, prigozhin said -- marched his troops up the hill in that march them down again. >> robert fox, it does seem an abrupt about turn after not very many hours of negotiation with lukashenko. >> i think that's the most important thing. you actually write, julian, that putin having spoken fire and brimstone, it's a stab in the back, and this meant --
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they didn't name him. but he said that this is the work of a traitor and -- in the morning and a country is in peril we, really much defended. and then come off, as you say, within six or seven months, with this soft deal is quite extraordinary. it's yet another thing -- even state media were confused about what was going on with putin's initial announcements. and i think we don't know what this deal is, and what the deal is for the forces. but, of course, putin is very worried. and the sort of typical mafioso deal, where putin is very worried about belarus. his fourth worried about the weakness of -- corleone pattern that must be going on in the kremlin. but at least -- another gang into that place, and make the gangsters armed forces. they're only about 10,000
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strong, the standing army, i think, of belarus. i may be wrong. but now he's going, hey, 25,000 wagner mercenaries, that -- stay there forever. but i doubt too if they are going to follow president lukashenko's every win. so it's a -- so much has happened with russia. it's a short term solution, which is leading to quite a thing, medium and long term problem. >> and christina patterson, of course there will be wider repercussions for the war with ukraine in ukraine. but let's take a look at the story in the sunday express regarding british tech experts helping ukraine launch a new cyber offensive. >> this is a fascinating story. and it just shows what -- made of these days. because the weapons they use are obviously in -- people sitting with laptops, putting targeting, aiming at targets through their computers,
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and then hitting targets and seeing these tiny figures on their screens, and war has never been done this way before. but at the beginning, of the war, ukraine was at a huge disadvantage until elon musk brought his starship or whatever it's -- called starlink -- satellite, which helped enormously, and the ukrainians are very, very good on a tech. and the -- apparently had been helping one of their traditions to -- they -- signals, and that is making a huge difference. but you have this kind of strange combination a very, very high tech. which seems, you -- know makes me think of the iraq, war, actually, when they talk about surgical precision and made it seem very remote from actual warfare. but, of course, the reality of warfare is what -- human beings always being blown apart with absolutely brutal weapons. so, it's a surreal and awful
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combination. but, obviously, tech support is helping ukraine in any way, that has to be a good thing. >> robert, you've got about 30 seconds on -- >> oh, thank you. it's a huge aspect. it's actually only part of the story with starlink. the russians nearly took out the cyber capacity of ukraine from the very beginning in february. but starlink did save things. this is the first digital information war at scale. -- has been involved, helping but also learning from it. it raises the question, could the british army fight -- kind of way that the ukraine army is fighting right now? and the way it is currently configured, it couldn't. >> robert, thank you very much for keeping to the time there. robert fox and christina patterson, thank you for taking us through the news this evening. thank you. thank you.
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