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russian mercenary leader per goes -- after 24 hours of mayhem. prigozhin agreed to leave russia after talks with the leader of belarus the kremlin says he will be prosecuted. wagner troops have also begun to leave the southern city of -- where the mutiny began. hours earlier vladimir putin had called the rebellion treason. moscow residents have been told to avoid traveling and all of mass outdoor events are canceled until next month. >> the zelenskyy says the last 24 hours and russia prove the country is in a state of chaos with no one in control. >> welcome to sky news

breakfast, the rebellion by russian mercenary leader yevgeny prigozhin appears to be over, within 24 hours his forces have taken this southern city of -- a key communication hope for the word ukraine, sentence armored -- russian president flipped -- a knife in the back of our people and call them traitors. in the deal negotiated with belarus the kremlin now says that the rebel leader will be allowed to leave the country and his forces will not be prosecuted. rebellion began earlier on saturday morning when wagner group forces occupied the headquarters, where russia's military operation in ukraine then they seized the military facilities about 500 kilometers south of moscow. a mercenary convoy avoid -- russian forces erected

defensive positions, and the order was given for the mercenaries to stand down. on moscow correspondent reports. corresponden >> yevgeny prigozhin cheered for his supporters after bringing his country to crisis point it was a rebellion that ended as quickly as it began, armed wagner mercenaries leaving after less than a day after they took it over. a deal struck to call off his troops. >> the time has come where blood might be shed, russian blood might be shared by one of the parties, we are turning your columns around and moving back to the field camps. >> in return, prigozhin would exile in belarus, the criminal charges against him dropped. >> of the rebels won't be prosecuted others despite president putin's -- threatening punishment --

>> we are fighting for the life and security of our citizens and our territorial integrity. it's an attempt to subvert it from the inside, it is treason in the face of those who are fighting on the front. this is a stab in the back of our troops and people of russia. >> wagner forces have seized the city of rostov-on-don. then followed chaos and confrontation. prigozhin declared himself on the hunt for justice accusing russia's military chief of killing his men. -- missile nearly missed a military helicopter there, [inaudible] heading for moscow. authorities scramble those roadblocks to slow their advance but if yevgeny prigozhin drew near there was

an expect -- a deal >> he is now leaving russia, his future and the future of his wagner mercenary groups uncertain. putin may have faced down the greatest threat in his 22 years of power, -- the threat of armed insurrection could do lasting damage for the kremlin and the authority of the president. >> reporting there from moscow, let's cross over to her international affairs with dominic was in the ukrainian city of dnipro, what has been the reaction to all of this in ukraine dominic and certainly what whale russian infighting impact the war? >> i think the sense here is that people are baffled as all

of us are over what happened in russia, what is the most consequential moments potentially for decades fizzled out into more of a farce i think what kind of deal if there was a deal was done between prigozhin and the belarusian leader. as he goes to belarus to live in exile, i think a lot of eyes are on what happens to him and it appears he has -- the opposite has happened. wagner fighters appear to have now been co-opted into the russian military which -- it doesn't seem like any russian military leaders have been removed from office, certainly from what the kremlin is saying. it looks as though for now at least tunis to cure again. although as they were saying they are potentially weekend now. i think the hope in kyiv will be that he is weak and we've heard from president zelenskyy saying what the last 24 hours

has proven is that russia is in a state of chaos, no one is in control and europe will not rely on ukraine even more to protect itself from that chaos. in terms of what the ukrainian people are saying, we were in the streets yesterday, you might have expected it before the whole thing fizzled out people were slightly more excited over what they were hearing from russia there was more a sense of muted excitement, people said they don't care what happens in russia. don't give a dam a number of people say, if russians want to kill themselves it's up to them. nothing is ever what it seems in russia, they won't rush to any conclusion and we'll see how things play out. there are skepticism has been well founded and they will wait to see what their what has happened there has undermined russian morale, unity, fighting spirit in the trances, they are trying to paint a counter offensive. -- could unfold in russia.

most people expecting some kind of second act in this drama to play out will that also play in the war effort against the invaders? >> dominic for now thank you very much indeed with me this morning to give assessments of what we have seen is chris deal of former british intelligence officer and a familiar face for the former british army intelligence and security officer philippe ingraham. nice to have both of you with us. chris, to you first it's extraordinary what we have seen unfold in the last 24 hours in russia, crisis have been diverted for vladimir putin for now but how much damage has this done him, has it weakened him? >> i think it certainly has weakened to him, i'm thinking particularly among the believes in moscow where fears one of the main factors involved to stay in power. certainly russian context in moscow telling us that he has

had a catastrophic loss of authority in a result of the events of yesterday. >> that is stark, that is strong language isn't it the biggest challenges leadership in 23 years. philip, it's interesting to see wagner forces welcomed by many civilians in rostov-on-don, they took control of the military headquarters there without even a shot being fired. of course they began a march on moscow, talk us to how closely they got to the capitol? >> it's interesting wagner have a log relationship with rostov-on-don, they have a training area just outside it, so as they advanced forward they took their positions having withdrawn from ukraine, they captured one of the largest cities in russia without firing a single shot, they have driven forward up the

four through voronezh where we saw pictures of russian helicopters attacking -- and it got shot down. they got a couple of hours before they decided to turn around and stop, this is a significant move. we're talking about hundreds of kilometers, through any of the protection that should've been put in there with the russian authorities if we look at ukraine, the russian forces couldn't get into kyiv in the next few days the wagner group took 18 months to get seven kilometers ahead in bakhmut. >> it reminded me of the march in kyiv that we saw when the war picked up and you had to reminder a set that was marge -- alexander the leader of belarus was involved in brokering this deal to talk prigozhin down yesterday, interestingly, chris

you've been hearing that president xi of china was involved. >> sources are telling us that yesterday actually he played a critical role in this deal in fact a deal may have been hammered out between lukashenko of and xi before i was put to putin, that sounds bizarre but anything is possible in the situation. >> president xi as a restraining force on vladimir putin he doesn't necessarily want to be associated publicly, drove his fingerprint on this. >> correct, obviously this would be seen as an internal matter and xi is known to not interfere in the affairs of other countries. >> what does this mean for the wagner group? they operate in other parts of the world, mainly africa. >> they are spread around the world, they are a business organization of the relationships going on around both politically and militarily our business relationships and

between the different instances they drive everything if we look at a map of what is happening around the world or russia is the biggest country but wagner -- syria, libya central african republic mozambique, and of course ukraine a lot of the natural resources the diamond, the goal the access to political influence where you can effectively taxed a corrupt leader and that tax is going to the oligarchs and vladimir putin's pockets, this relationship with prigozhin has had massive implications for putin as the oligarch-in-chief, it's not a simple military issue and there is a lot more involved in this and there's a lot more influence going on in the background before prigozhin made that decision to attempt this mini coup.

>> as you say wagner group is a business, they have been accused of human rights abuses they are known for being abusive they have hired convicts to fight in ukraine, prigozhin what was his beef with the russian defense leadership. what is his problem with him? >> obviously they haven't been conducting this war effectively i think one of his issue is corruption of course the business figure and organized crime figure one of the aspects of this war that it is under reported or one of the issues that determines the relationship between the leaders and russia's business is corrupt business he is not apart from that we hear that him and his daughter have some kind of business down in ukraine where they're stealing ukrainian grain exporting at using the black sea deal and so

to all of these things they are interlinked and it is important to understand ultimately putin and the raging are as much into making money corrupt money as they're into political games and military ones. >> filip, we understand that yevgeny prigozhin it's supposed to be moving to belarus as part of this deal, does not mean that he won't return to the front line in ukraine and what does this mean for russian operations in this war? is it going to be a power vacuum now? >> what the wagner forces have withdrawn from fighting in ukraine they had to spend 18 months capturing the village of bakhmut -- >> will that in itself damage russian capabilities the fact that the wagner group are not on the ground? >> while 50,000 troops hardened troops who aren't available to put back in again it causes russia difficulty when they have a shortage of experience

troops. but i don't think it will have a significant impact what is happening on the ground, it's not gonna affect the battle that is happening, it won't have impact on the tactical aspect. it is an advantage for ukraine on the short term, but of course we have politically individuals positioning themselves because what the russian presidential elections coming up so that could be a factor in all of this. for the lot more to play out and a lot more we don't know. >> certainly a lot we don't know, you know more than most what is your final thought on all of this, do you think russian infighting this work and? >> i think that the progress or lack of it in the war in the failure of this military operation in ukraine will be the end of putin, what we places him and how that plays out is still unclear and a lot will depend on people like she and people like our own leader

but i think it is good news for ukrainians, slight difference is that i think this will impact the russian forces they really were confused over what was going on, who is in charge, how will it play out in terms of politics in moscow. >> -- would have needed, right? >> we didn't see them but we didn't see opposition really either initially, i think there could've been. >> in terms of royalty -- >> chris, phillips thank you very much, we'll see you later. let's have a look at some of the international reaction, this was a statement from the white house president biden -- chancellor olaf scholz of germany and prime minister rishi sunak of the united kingdom, the leaders discussed the situation in russia they also affirmed their unwavering

support for ukraine. it was almost identical to what we've heard from down the street the prime minister u.s. president biden french president macron, and german chancellor scholz spoke this afternoon to discuss the situation and russian reiterate their continuing support for ukraine sovereignty adding, this follows the call between xi seven foreign ministers which the foreign secretary participated earlier today, the leaders have agreed to stay in close contact in the coming days. >> i'm joined by -- who served as british ambassador to russia between 2016 and 2020, thank you very much for joining us again on sky news. good to see you. the international reaction was interesting it didn't say much but obviously international partners would have been watching this very closely, and certainly if yevgeny prigozhin it isn't good news in the community either.

>> the statements that have come out of the g7 leaders are carefully coordinated and calibrated, the message they're trying to send is a number of things first of all in a continued support to ukraine, in its struggle against the russian invasion but also being very careful about how those governments position themselves in regard to what is happening in russia, there are two things to be careful here, one is that russian propaganda is trying to present what happened in russia over the last couple of days as a result of western interference, it's the result of putin's own strategic failure in ukraine. the second point is there are a few senior russians who will genuinely believe that there is a hand of the west and what is happening in russia. it's important that the government from the g7 the western government don't feed

either of those tendencies, what they will be doing is exercising restraint over speaking what has happened in russia. >> how do you think this will impact vladimir putin, can he come back from this? >> i think it is undoubtedly badly damaged mr. putin, as your previous speakers were saying there is an enormous amount that we don't know about what happened here, we will start with what we do know the wagner group in organizations are not a phenomenon that grew up against the will of the kremlin, it's system biotech relation, in which those groups and those people are not only tolerated but encouraged because they do the kremlin's dirty work for it what happened though is the struggle for control the resources between prigozhin and the minister. putin allowed it to run and then it turned into prigozhin

criticizing the basis of the war not only his conduct. and that led to criticizing putin's behavior itself. we don't know what prigozhin was trying to is cheap and why was the russian response so weak and why was prigozhin been able to -- conduct in ukraine? and why it was resolved so quickly? who was behind it what are the elements of that deal, remember we move from putin talking about treason this time yesterday to all charges being dropped by the end of the day, something strange going on there. >> certainly the russian people are used to hearing good news, they hear propaganda, they are now hearing vladimir putin talk about traces and being knifed in the back, many of the followers of prigozhin say -- it was based on lies how much do you think this is going to impact public opinion in russia?

>> first thing to note the public opinion is important, russia's into democracy this is not a question of whether people will vote -- they don't get a say in that what this is about is a number -- of the army itself in ukraine we will see where that goes i would not be too optimistic about that the russian army in ukraine has the ability and the will and the direction to cause a lot more damage to ukraine over the course of this war, second is political coercion, what i have in mind is particularly political cohesion -- as one of the previous speakers mention were going into election period in 2024 in russia, this is about validating choices made by putin either to stay in power or to hand it over to somebody

else you have this amount of uncertainty and tension within the system within members of the elite over any decision in the longer short term, it's usually complex. >> okay it's always great to get your thoughts thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> coming up next on sky news all the latest on the situation in russia and of course more report. e more report

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sitting in for sophie who is away. he might come up at the top of the hill, but prigozhin is off to belarus with -- having humiliated the russian president. yesterday vladimir putin called his former ally a criminal trader and promised to crush the rebellion this morning the mercenary leader received a pardon even before there has been a trial, maybe mr. putin should've paid more attention to hillary clinton who once said you can't keep snakes in your backyard and expect them only to bite your neighbors. back home who is up and who is down? there is no sign of the liberal parties political advanced slowing, they think they are up. the conservative government thinks -- stubborn inflation. most people reckon they are down. north of the border there is chaos in the ranks of the scottish national party over the finances, the nation is

split over independents, maybe that is neither up nor down? well, in the next 60 minutes we will work out who is right and who is wrong? i'll speak to the first minister of scotland and leader of the and battled snp. the government here in west minister i'll be joined by the chief secretary to the treasury john glenn. and for later the shadow leveling up secretary lisa mandy, after that extraordinary 24 hours and russia, we're gonna work out what it means for the conflict in ukraine with the former head of the british army general lord bannock. and we will have expert analysis on all of british intelligence christopher steele and in grand, we'll have a live update from moscow with our very own diana.

we have important matters to talk about today, but we will get to that shortly. let's start with some immediate live reaction to the events in russia from the government, i'm joined now by the chief secretary for the treasury that is john glenn, good morning mr. glen. >> good morning. >> the government emergency response committee met yesterday, what is the government understanding of the situation this morning? >> it was convened by the foreign secretary this is fundamentally an internal matter for russia obviously observing an unstable situation russia but it is fundamentally an internal matter and we've obviously -- which conversations have been had over the last 24 hours

civilian interests are considered and they seem to have done that. this isn't a matter that we would be intervening in but we observe and monitor the situation. >> i know the diplomatic language is an internal matter not forced to comment on, and the rest of it but doesn't this alter the equation in ukraine where we have invested billions and we have an interest? >> what we have been invested in the started investing -- it's helping ukraine, and we will continue to remain focused on that we continue to train troops, support them, and we are united with our allies, that will continue that is a separate matter to what is happening in moscow. >> did i hear you say we spoke

to troops? >> we've been training troops. >> so this involves no interruption or escalation of our efforts because there are some people who would say that actually this might mean an escalation by the russians or for their assault on ukraine, the wagner mercenaries are now, as we understand being integrated with russian troops so might this be the moment for a bit more support for mr. zelenskyy and his people? >> we are working closely with ukraine as the situation evolved and as it has evolved over the last months, that is our primary focus. supporting ukraine, deal with putin in whatever form that attack takes and it has evolved in recent months. nothing us change with respect to the british government's position in supporting ukraine. >> obviously we recognize these

concerning events and what happened in russia, we will remain close to our allies, they are evaluating alongside our allies what has been happening. and urge concerns of civilians to be taken into account, but this isn't something that we would intervene dissident or no matter for russia. >> let's talk about things that are internal to us, that are in the control, let's start with the economy. inflation in this country is running much higher than comparable countries, we compare for example with the eurozone in the americans the americans are down 4% it's not a level but it's a fact that the american inflation is down a bit, the eurozone is down a bit, ours is stuck at 8.7%. now we know the bank of england

has got its one interest rate 50 basis point this week. let's talk about what the government can do. can you tell me what one thinks the treasure is doing to tackle the inflation? >> my responsibility primarily to control public spending and that is incredibly challenging job at this time because we have a three-year comprehensive spending with two years back and obviously the inflation pressures -- on capitol spending and day today expenditure, but keeping a grip on public spending, making tough decisions on re-prioritization, putting an efficient in saving review into the preparation for the last fiscal event, the last budget and you will know obviously that the chancellor asked me to lead the productivity reviews

which i am now undergoing and that will happen over the next few months looking at how we can control public spending, at a difficult time when we still deal with legacies from covid. >> all sensible but explain to me how any of that has any bearing on the 8.7% figure in the next two months. >> i can understand and i really do understand -- the implication of high interest rates but there isn't a single quick reliever -- >> i'm just asking you for one, one contribution. >> there are three elements to the government response the independent policy, controlling public expenditure and then helping those additional costs so we help with the energy bills expended that in the spring budget but -- >> they're not coming down

anyway. >> can i just point out that i think that putting one screenshot on your screen you failed to show the fact that the interest rate pressure across europe and across many of our allies australia, canada, u.s. interest rates have gone up the fastest rate since the 19 80s, this is a common experience. >> you're right to ask me what is happening in the uk and i'm telling you that but if there is one thing that is going to settle this in one month. >> fair enough i made the point that the problem for us is -- let's interrogate to move those things, let's start with the bank of england, you don't have control over what the bank of england does but you do have control over who is running the bank of england and the transport secretary colleague, told my colleague --

mark, i beg your pardon, told my colleague earlier this week that you think the bank is being too slow. >> we remain in the treasury completely aligned to the bank, they as you say have responsibility for interest rate policy they've had that for over 20 years and if you look at it over those 25 years they've -- it's been effective into keeping it to the inflation target. these are difficult times they made their decision, the npc committee made that decision and we were closely in lockstep with them. they are independent of us so they make those judgments, you don't expect me to comment on that. >> yes, but you are appointed head from what you said -- >> i think he was appointed at the end of 2019 i work closely with him in a previous job and

we support him -- >> mr. bailey, can we just deal with some other things the way can we stop talking about tax cuts that's not gonna happen is it? >> even though we never talk about measures before fiscal events, obviously what we have in the spring is in a different states because of the interest rates that we have to pay but basically we shut down the economy when we came out of kabul covid we had a lot of interest to pay that has gone up because the interest rate has gone up and that made everything really challenging, once in 100 years -- the government is here to build with whatever circumstances are happening and we are taking the right decisions at a difficult time.

>> i'm taking that as tax cuts are not on your agenda. >> i think the prime minister made it clear that our priority is the inflation that is the dominant threat to the uk economy and that's what we will focus on. >> let's say something that is in your control, one thing that wouldn't help inflation is increasing energy bills and they are reporting that the 170 pounds a year green levy that were temporarily renewed are going to come back on two bills next month, is that true? >> we are making assessments all the time of how we can deal with the challenges of supply across the economy in a different input cost. i can't confirm that as of this morning but we are looking carefully at everything, the chancellor will be meeting with regulators next week and we met with the sea and bank lenders

on friday to deal with the pressures that people deal with the mortgages. we will continue to do everything we can't. >> no decision has been taken that will lead to restoration of the levee? >> well in a sense when governments are facing challenging times all decisions are looked at in terms of what we can do to make this situation better whilst continuing to recognize that inflation has to remain our priority, that is the lens that the government has consistently and unite notley focused on. >> one way you could make life easy for yourself is -- the rate rises in a way that the mortgage increases are passed on to mortgage holders,

he has written to the chancellor saying that there should be action for him in a regulation to make sure that savers benefits from the change in interest rates. i >> recognize the concern is just the chancellor himself has recognized that this is something to be monitored carefully. he met with the banks on friday the primary focus was dealing with the implications of -- several positive things came out of that, we took the opportunity to -- to have conversations with your lender and not prejudice your credit rating as well as delaying reposition from the first payment that was a constructive conversation will continue to look at the gap between the interest on saving and the headline rate. >> let's talk about something that is in your personal -- you mentioned already public sector pay, if you want to keep

public expenditure down, big chunk of that is pay, times is reporting that the prime minister is going to overrule the independent pay-per-view body and block the recommendation for the next round of pay sector award of around 6% six and a half percent, is that right? >> know what happens is we have -- most of them have come in and we look at those and make an assessment. >> and some of the disputes we've had this month we have had resolutions, several of the nhs unions, -- 4% and different changes across working practices, we will look at those paid reviewed body reports and the premise turned the chancellor will work together with input from me on what the right way of resolving it is. >> let's look at this clearly though, you guys have been saying for the best part of the year when there were strikes,

we will support with the independent pay-per-view body says we have to support, are you now telling me it's that actually it's not quite that we, will look at what the pay-per-view body says and we may accept it. >> overseeing is that we haven't had all of the pay-per-view bodies -- >> but matter of principles. >> the matter of principles is pay-per-view bodies are a significant part involving the pay issues, but obviously we also have to take account of the effect on inflation, that will be irresponsible not to so we haven't finished that process. >> forgive me if i bang about this because last time i was here i can't remember which of your colleagues were saying this to me, the body -- that is when pay-per-view was recommending something lower than what the unions wanted,

and it was all fine then, but what you're telling me this morning is it's just one factor we have to think about other things. isn't the pay-per-view -- when they benefit you guys? >> what i'm trying to say is that i can't give you the conclusion of the pay-per-view body pay process. >> i'm not asking you to do that. >> i can't give you that yet because we haven't finished the analysis, what i'm saying to use that at the same time we're looking at that we're also aware of the implication for inflation and that is critical and the prime minister's top priority, as he's been saying in interviews today. >> i don't want to be rude but the last time i spoke to one of your colleagues, but they were waiting for the report they said that we will accept what they will report. >> you see with these pay-per-view bodies the implication and the

distribution between -- one year to year these are factors that are irrelevant it's not as straightforward. >> okay your colleague keegan overhead education says that the pay right of the teachers would be inflationary and i'm quoting them here, ongoing strike -- and earlier era perhaps, ongoing strikes of price worth paying to keep pay and inflation down. >> i don't think anyone wants these strikes across any service understand what leads to the situation but with the government has to do is take responsible decision on public spending, pays a significant element of that and i'm aware of the massive contribution that teachers, nurses and public sector workers make. we have to get the right outcomes that are fair to them, but also aren't inflationary, as you put the initial slide at

the start of our conversation this morning the inflation is going to be tough to get down. it's something that we are focused on and united and determined to do so. >> thank you very much for your time. >> thank you. time >> thank you >> it has by any is the mission been an extraordinary last 24 hours and russia. watch with baited breath around the world, it seems at one point the putin regime stood on the brink with a column of military vehicles heading to moscow. the leader of the rebels yevgeny prigozhin of the mercenary group wagner has done a deal to leave to belarus. it began yesterday morning in the rostov-on-don when forces of the wagner group occupied the headquarters of russia's military operations in ukraine, they then seize control of military is -- about 500 kilometers south of moscow. mercenary convoy advance north

of voronezh along the motor raid to moscow, forces directive defensive positions and -- to stand down. let's get the very latest from our moscow correspondent diana who is live in the russian capital. good morning, diana. what is the mood in moscow and what is the military situation as you understand it? >> well, i mean it's a sunny morning in moscow and i think people's today were watching events with a degree of confusion and i think in moscow especially now they have a day off tomorrow so they are probably enjoying this peaceful resolution. and i think there will be a lot of people who are questioning what on earth actually happened and given the shadow it over putin's authority over his

credibility, bear in mind, the fact that early yesterday morning he went on television and made a big speech talking about how this was treasonous, a stab in the heart of the russian people essentially and only a few hours backtracked, later backtracked and let prigozhin sink off to belarus where he is either on route or already in the city. it doesn't look good for vladimir putin i think there are a lot of questions being asked -- who is entirely a man of kremlin's own making, all of his projects over the last ten years have been for serving the kremlin's purposes, why putin is constructing a system of the power for the go where he can't get, -- sitting around the table with the commander-in-chief and hash out the problems all in one room together. why it has to come to this kind of breaking point is entirely putin's fault. he just likes to keep different

factions at arms length, prigozhin doesn't have a direct line to vladimir putin that's why he likes to shout on social media all the time. so, you know, this is a very strange situation frankly given the amount of noise that prigozhin has been making over the last three or four months, you know, one would have been foolish to think that it couldn't have gone this far. but i think the fact that there are so many question marks over how quickly it resolved does beg a lot of questions, if prigozhin is given power not florida that will be extremely uncomfortable for the west for ukraine for the belarusian people lukashenko's rumored to be ill he's been in moscow a lot, i'm sure the kremlin is looking around for someone who can exert power in belarus. if prigozhin is still somebody

who does heat the word of putin he would be placed there we understand from prigozhin that he has been offered governorship here in russia before has refused them. this would be quite a substitute. if that was part of the plan then why did putin come out and make a plan and end up looking so bad yesterday, i don't have the answer to this kind of thing but the outcome with prigozhin being a powerful man for russian belarus against ukraine, against the west, well that suits prudence purposes. but we don't know what happened, we don't know the state of the military perhaps precaution recognized after he made his announcement and after that column came up towards moscow, that he simply didn't have the kind of backing within the military or within the security services that he might have hoped for and people weren't turning to him. so, it's very difficult to know. but i think --

yes >> that is fascinating, it is your estimation that prigozhin actually rather than writing off into the sunset is actually going to be a factor so -- a factor in the ukraine war? >> i mean he has been a considerable fact in the ukrainian war because of the wagner mercenaries, if he's position in belarus if wagner takes more of a role and delivers, if he has power in belarus, which is up to putin rather than you chunk of, then belarus comes under the hand of putin. it depends if he is allowed to take on that power in belarus or not. and then if you have wagner mercenary sitting in belarus, there are already lots of military bases there, that in effect is more of a movement around ukraine. so i'm speculating here but you

will have to see how much of authority he is allowed to yield or if he is relegated in there and sit in exile as his way of -- but if he is still putin's man he could be useful to him there. >> thank you, we will keep looking out for your fascinating analysis on this as the days go by. thank you very much. by let's get the view from the opposition and i can now speak to the secretary lisa. good morning. good morning. >> good morning, trevor. >> do you still be shadow foreign secretary, what would be -- what is the current secretary and the government piecing in doing about the situation in russia and belarus now? >> so i think largely, actually, --

i think they should be doing pretty much what they are, i think they should be mindful of the fact that they've made an impact on russian civilians -- this is an enormously volatile situation it is difficult to predict, what it means for russia in particular but or -- the fragility of the russian government. it's clear that ukraine is winning for war we now need to make sure that all the nato allies stand not just with president zelenskyy and ukraine to send a clear message to president putin but we will be there and with the ukrainian people until the war is one, but also to show a completely united front against the splintering face of russian forces the phone call between u.s. ukraine and germany was welcomed, we need to see more of that cooperation and them

standing together in support of ukraine against the actions of president putin. >> okay, let's say we can keep the outbreak of harmony going when we turn to domestic matters, you have to agree over a series of things with the banks to agree with the rising mortgage rate, and one cure for the chancellor. >> the is whether these measures are mandatory or not, and we understand that they are not we estimate that a significant number of people won't be able to access any support at all unless the measures become mandatory so that all mortgage payers not just some have access to these measures to give them more flexibility to extend mortgage turned to be able to shift one mortgage to another, who -- we don't know if there will be

fees attached to changing the terms of your mortgage or to ensure that it will affect peoples credit ratings, these are questions that the chancellor has to be able to answer so that we are confident that there is help coming out and they will be able to stay in their home. more importantly for far too long even -- mortgages to the roof, we have an affordability crisis in this country the what reason people are feeling more pay now than in the 90s is because the outrage -- was born three or four times on your salary now they're boring 11 times around your salary there is no answer to this crisis without building more homes that is what led -- >> everyone wants to know -- in the next few months, whether it's mandatory or not all of these measures are to some

extent about making a bad situation not so bad so people don't lose their homes what can you do about this here which is inflation i'm asked on glenn what policies he would have to make things different right now what would labor do. give me one thing that labor would do to affect inflation right now? >> one of the measures that we are pushing the government to take on today it is the fact -- two mortgage pairs that they haven't passed on those same interest risers to savers if you make it more attractive for people to save than it does have a significant effect of cooling inflation, they're good reasons why the government should be intervening to ensure the banks pass on those interest weights --

>> forgive me for interrupting you, how does putting more money in the pockets of savers reduce the inflation, actually traditionally orthodox economic says it will do the opposite. >> well, what we're proposing is the government ensures that those -- to put money into saving in order to help -- the banks are passing on interest rates rises to interest rates and not to savers we think that that is a sensible proportionate thing for the government to do, ultimately there are a number of ways in which any responsible government should be seeking to tackle the inflation crisis, we think that one of the way we can get out of this mess is to get the economy growing, forgive me but she said that this -- obviously everybody wants to build more houses but the government