you, how does putting more money in the pockets of savers reduce the inflation, actually traditionally orthodox economic says it will do the opposite. >> well, what we're proposing is the government ensures that those -- to put money into saving in order to help -- the banks are passing on interest rates rises to interest rates and not to savers we think that that is a sensible proportionate thing for the government to do, ultimately there are a number of ways in which any responsible government should be seeking to tackle the inflation crisis, we think that one of the way we can get out of this mess is to get the economy growing, forgive me but she said that this -- obviously everybody wants to build more houses but the government has abolished --

projected to get to the lowest level in a generation and they have protected that it will have a 17 billion pounds to the economy -- to get the economy growing and every part of britain. >> forgive me if i may take you to the policy that you are espousing today which is put more money in the pockets of savers and actually, by your own figures out was looking at the release you put out today summing it up to 10,000 pounds in saving to get an extra 50 for the here from what you are proposing, how is that going to affect inflation? >> because it makes it more attractive for people to make money into their savings account rather -- >> if anybody has 10,000 to

keep in their saving, what the effects would be marginal wouldn't they? >> sure, but what you are looking at is the magnitude -- for any government has to tackle it but for the chancellor he says that he is doing, we are proposing constructive ways in which he can help to ease the burden and ease the pain for people right now, one of those ways is to ensure basic status in the way the banking industry is operating and they are passing an interest rate rises to mortgage payers but they should be giving the most to say first -- with all the measures to cool inflation. >> all right, the chief of the secretary wouldn't commit to implementing -- >> six and a half percent --

implementing the recommendation of paid reviewed bodies? >> you haven't seen them he will take them seriously pay-per-view bodies are made by the government and then they make recommendations accordingly so they deserve to be taken seriously but we are not in government we haven't been allowed access to the account so we don't know what the situation is and ultimately it is up for the government to decide those recommendations are not a foreign government right now we would be asking the pay-per-view studies to give far more weight to the -- in the recommendations that we make. we take seriously the recommendation that we make but we will be seeking a former

relationships with the frontline workforce so that we could negotiate our way through what is a difficult situation. not just in addressing issues around pay, but also addressing the issues around working conditions for the nhs for example, one of the major challenges or the major reason people tells that they're leaving us because they just cannot see light at the end of the tunnel. there are so overworked. >> you are in the same place as the government on that question. let's have a look of specific disputes. >> we've been negotiating around the requests that have been made we won't make promises that we can't keep --

it will be like asking somebody how they can afford to pay on their mortgage -- can or should responsibly do so i will challenge you on one thing we will be taking the approach that the government has been taking even now we had the education secretary -- without any acknowledgment out the government has -- over the last 13 years but particularly over the last few years during covid when they tried to change the rules and regulation and it's the people who are paid the price. >> sorry to interrupt you, i can't leave without asking you this question, political

correspondents are reporting that several female mps have expressed concern that all the -- are white male, does that bother you? >> yes, of course. it's something that we take seriously in the labour party i myself was selected only shortlist people say now that i would be selected anyway but until we know what a member of parliament looks like that wasn't going to change we reach the trench hold of being allowed to use a woman shortlist again, coming across the labour party we've come out and make the case why we need more women and more diversity and in particular -- out of west minister and in british history which we are we need to make sure that our council leaders and cabinet members are represented in the

communities they serve and we are committed to doing that. >> thank you so much for your time this morning. >> thank you. >> let's focus again on russia and tried to work out with the events of the last 24 hours might mean for the conflict in ukraine. joining me now is the former chief of general's north richard, good morning general richard. >> good morning, good to join you. >> thank you for joining us, what do you make first of all of the wagner group withdrawal and the way it might affect the military balance in ukraine? >> the first thing to say is that after yesterday's fiasco putin authorities diminished, russian military which is significant sparse ukraine's concern is in some disarray,

what apparently he's left the state struggle to belarus but is that the end of prigozhin and the wagner group the fact that he went to belarus's amount of concern, we don't know and we will discovered this in the hours and days is how many of his fighters have gone with them, if he has gone to belarus and has kept an important court around him. he then poses a threat to the ukrainian -- and to kyiv where this began on the 24th of february last year, this would appear that this matter is close i think it is far from closed, the aftershocks of yesterday will reverberate for quite some time. >> he few were in command in kyiv what would you be worried about now, the progressive your counter offensive in the east

or would you be worried as you just set of the potential threat from the north in belarus? >> i would want to make sure that i have good observation to the north on the exit towards -- it's quite possible that they might do it again, one of the troops he has as i said now don't know what troops he has got as his disposal but we need to watch that very carefully, to make sure he has some maneuver units but so that they can -- meanwhile i think that there's every reason to continue, for the ukrainians to -- trying to find weeks sponsor weakest spots into which they deploy 10 to 12 --

to create something of a break-in and a breakthrough, if they think they found the spot or the locations to do that then consider making that attack sooner rather than later while the russians are in some disarray this is a moment of opportunity for ukraine. but they have been sensibly cautious and will not commit their more reserve troops there talk brigades until they are sure that they found a weak spot and to make a decisive attack and that is the right thing to do. >> without even when the intelligence no one can say for certain you've been in the situation many time i wonder what you estimate the estimate of this is, and will be on the russian forces?

it's been widely accepted that the wagner group i think the word that people have been used is that they are among the most effective forces that the russians have at their disposal. it is clear -- it is not clear as you said what they will be doing now. from your estimation this this weekend putin's military capabilities or potentially doesn't strengthen it? >> the short answer to that question is that it weakens it i think what we have seen demonstrated over the last 48 hours is that the upper echelons of the russian command system, it may well be that the casualty out of all this is defensive minister sergei shoigu, and it may well be the chief of general staff gerasimov who is the operational commander in ukraine. his position is weakened. i think the other effect to

bear in mind is that although the russians have had quite some time over this winter and spring to prepare their defensive line, the soldiers are poorly trained, poorly equipped and many of them don't want to be there. the ukrainians i'm sure -- the average russian soldier is pretty low and that is why if they find points of weakness in the russian defensive lines and explore them with one or two decisive things it could have a disproportionate effect in shuddering the morale for the fight -- i produce significant success. now i don't know if this will happen, i would like to think it might but maybe those factors together, ukraine will remain in the strong position against the enemy, --

disjointed command control which political leader has been wounded by effects in the past. yes there is the -- i think you have to watch court carefully what prigozhin and his factor group does. -- i would watch that very carefully. >> thank you so much for your time and also for your wisdom this morning. >> thank you very much. >> let's go to the domestic front and the political situation in scotland, yesterday the force minister had to stop a speech following a very loud intervention from a heckler at a special conference meant to set out how the snp would go to independents. heckling is probably the least of his worries with the party

in chaos -- by looking pretty grim for the party. i'm joined now by the first minister. good morning mr. youssouf. >> good morning. -- every poll that has come out we continue to be the party that leads, i thought i would just put that in their given your very kind introduction. >> kind of used to say that will come back to that in the second you said yesterday that you would make the next election a referendum, that means that your predecessor -- if you have 50% of the vote you would consider that a mandate for independents, what it also means that if you didn't get

50% you would just drop it? >> first of all -- what is reminding people that is is -- the option which the majority of the scottish parliament backs is legally binding referendum that has been denied time and time again by the uk government so my message is simple we will use the next general election to test the proposition we will put a simple proposition to the people of scotland on page one of the manifesto, but for scotland to become an independent country after we win that general election will seek to negotiate how we get democratic effect to that proposition, and i continue to reiterate -- to deny us the right to a referendum. >> forgive me for interrupting you when you say if we win,

what does that constitute, does that mean most votes in scotland, does that mean a 50% of the vote? >> i'm happy to clarify but i suspect you have covered more general election than i have, even being involved in campaigning, every general election, the party that wins the most seat right wins the general election, again if you want to test the pop -- if you wanna test the proposition for popular support you do that by a referendum. any democratic country in the world i want to test the proposition for popular support, the rules of a general election are of course the party that wins the most seat once the general election. >> okay, if you win more seats than anybody else you are going to take that as a mandate to push for a further referendum, rishi sunak has said that it doesn't matter what comes out

you aren't getting one what will you do to force their hand? >> it is illegal for them to say that. >> first and foremost i will put it to rishi sunak very simply you continue to tell scotland that it is a voluntary union, prove it if you're saying you can't have your independent by a referendum, and you will not accept any mandate that is given to via general election this is a voluntary union how discordant become independent? the second part of my speech the main argument i was making -- it so important to us to assure that we have a consistent majority supporting independents. so while we will be campaigning in the general election what we're doing right now is campaigning to make sure that we have the consistent majority in scotland that supports independents, because at the power of the people, i don't --

>> let's get a clear, we're talking about democracy, if there is a general election in either mr. sunak or -- they will have gone to their country with a manifesto that said we are not going to have another referendum they will have one in what way is it not democratic for them to fulfill their mandate given to them by a general election of the united kingdom, scotland is not independent yet. >> well -- we win the general election here in scotland if you are seeing that scotland can be denied a referendum because they are outvoted by the fact that the rest of the uk has more seat than i would say to

that that is the democratic deficit which we are trying to appeal against because there is a deficit in that regard, you are saying unless the rest of the uk allowed you to become independent allows you to have a referendum that is the only way you can become independent but that does not make a volunteer union at all. >> all right, we -- let's go to the circumstances in which you govern perhaps the best way of persuading everybody that scotland should be independent would be to have a brilliant performance by the s&p government in scotland, let's address a couple of issues which depend on with minister say so. here you are responsible for it in scotland between may 21 and march 1993, the number of patients on waiting lists and scotland is up 780, 000, over

18,000 people died waiting for treatment, rise of 39% compared to 2019. it's not a stellar record is it? >> you're suggesting that somehow that is unique to scotland -- i'm >> not saying it's unique i'm saying it's -- >> but it is the proposition that is the premise that underlines your question, the global pandemic by definition has affected services across the world the pandemic is the biggest shock that the nhs has seen, in terms of the nhs in scotland -- is the best performing in seven years. -- there was only one nation in the uk -- when it comes to the longest waits for the nhs if you look at those who have been waiting

for over two years we've made dramatic reductions an inpatient outpatient for those who are waiting for diagnostic tests. there are challenges in the nhs i'm not saying otherwise but it has been exacerbated by the global pandemic, we are focused on making sure we can recover the nhs and social -- >> you say it's not connected to anything westminster but you don't recover nhs without recovery social care. the challenges we have has been brexit if you ask anyone -- in social care we've lost -- >> we're wondering away from your government performance. it's still not better. >> i just don't agree. if you want to talk about the snp's record, there was a report to weeks ago that show that because of our efforts

19's thousand children have been got -- we were pulled out of poverty. -- our outpatient is in -- you want to talk about our record performing in the departments in the entire uk, you want to talk about our record, more young people -- than ever before i could go on and on if you want. ultimately -- >> let's not. you are responsible for some of the shenanigans and have taken place in the party but you have inherited a situation which has damaged the snp, let's clear one thing, are there any circumstances in which you would remove the whip from the msp and former minister nicholas? >> i won't go into

hypotheticals, you should know better that it is inappropriate for a minister or an elected politician to comment on what is a life police investigation. >> i'm just asking if you can imagine circumstances? >> again, i won't make this about -- they have been released without charge i think they've not -- i'll keep that situation under review, but as a life police investigation when i'm not keen to comment on for that very reason. >> you do except the, don't you, that this has been pretty catastrophic to your party the chief executive of the party arrested in april missing 30,000 members --

110,000 pounds, did you know any of that when you stood for the leadership? >> no, i made that clear. this has been the most difficult few months of the party in recent modern history, but i have to make sure i do everything i can to ensure that their stability in the party that we are transparent, that's why i instructed the oversight financial review -- it was a wise support people to organize the pardon that's why we had a good convention yesterday. -- they're opening of the interview we are the most popular party in scotland every poll and of course we have by far the most members than any other political party here. that's a good pace. >> i want to give you the opportunity to respond to what

i think some people say, you've been a very senior member of the government for eight long terms, that's almost a decade. it's hard to understand that you would not have any consciousness of any of these issues until after he became elected as the parties leader. you can understand why that seems odd to an outsider. >> people genuinely think that to be a senior member of the government, that doesn't mean that you're a senior member of the party i've never had an office position in the party in almost 20 years of being involved in the party i've had other jobs that have kept me busy in government transport minister, health secretary as you alluded to a moment ago, you know i'll be upfront you ask me a straight question that i know about the questions that you raised before they were

made public and know, the answer to that very simply is no. >> all right what other thing has caused your lot of trouble i know that the -- they passed agenda recognition bill it's an unpopular bill according to polls in scotland, one people have barely supported, labor said they won't supported, are you going to continue to push it through legal action in court? >> first of all this is really basic of course -- but as an s&p and some members of the party -- they support the the recognition support. actually this is a pretty simple issue of democracy whether you agree with it or not the bill has been passed by the majority of parliament,

this has been vetoed by the uk government that to me is another example for the government seeking to under mine evolution from time again. >> start interrupt you, something has landed which i want to ask you about, it's the breaking news scotland -- alongside other services the national 999 system is experiencing technical problem and they're urging people to phone other numbers, your reaction, how worrying is that to somebody who has been responsible for one of those emergency services? >> that is concerning, -- to see that situation can be resolved right across the uk, -- any problems -- in that regard but of course

the situation is one of concern. >> thank you very much for your time this morning. good to talk to you. >> thank you. >> okay a little later after half past our will be on the take our chance to discuss this morning's news and try to figure out what we've learned. i'll be -- the acting chief political editor and peter walker who is also the acting political editor for the guardian. with me now for a quick word. you've been watching, what stood out for you, claire? >> i think the most pressing issue is russia but i think john glenn's comment on mortgages, the situation economic situation at the moment that is what people are really concerned about and he didn't really say much, did he he didn't get much out we don't know what the government will be doing about any of it,

germany has called in the bank's, he will call in the regulator speaking to supermarkets about cost but really it's sucks that there isn't much the government can do to reassure people and they will be worried about their mortgages. >> were you shocked and surprised by anything, you know? >> well i notice and you pick this up when john glenn was talking about the public center you were making a point that if they are right and they turned down with the pace for everybody, we know that is not a mandatory process it's a recommendation to government has been able to say yes we will know we won't, dave have said we can't possibly give any more because this is what the public sector body says, they've boxed themselves in a corner because -- they might give a figure that they don't like and they will say it's a recommended one, that's an interesting one, they created a problem for themselves.

>> we will talk more, before we do move on to the take let's return to the story which is of course dominating the weekend's news, russia and the aborted coup that has seemed to be launched and then walked back by the exiled mercenary leader yevgeny prigozhin. i will get some expert analysis from former british intelligence officer chris pustule and the former british military intelligence philippe ingraham, good morning christopher, good morning philippe. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> christopher, what do you make of where we have gotten to this morning? it seems -- was it all a bunch of fuss about nothing or has something changed? >> no i think something has changed, what has changed is that flood our mayor putin has lost authority and -- he and has been challenging away -- , yes he has managed to warm his way out of it in the

present but to see things unfold in russia and to see the -- concerning for putin and the people around him. >> what do you think? is the takeaway here that putin is weaker than he was on thursday? >> well i think that's one of the takeaways definitely the other bit is that there is an awful lot we don't know yet, prigozhin won't do this in isolation he has achieved a lot, he has driven hundreds of kilometers in less than 24 hours when it has taken him 18 months to fight through seven kilometers inside ukraine, he has and barest why shoigu getting military capabilities that were under russian command allegedly, and what taking out and taken into russia, taking

over one of russia's biggest city bloodless. >> let's assess what he has to worry about. it sounds like we haven't heard anything from shoigu or gerasimov the military leaders, does anybody think that they have essentially been taken out of the picture. christopher? >> my strong feeling would be that shoigu is finished, whether gerasimov survives is another matter. putin doesn't want to be seen as weak by getting rid of them in the aftermath of this debacle but it may take a few weeks to play out but in my guess shoigu won't be defense minister for that long. >> i'm asking about this because in the and the big thing here, philippe is what

will it mean for the war in ukraine. does this give ukrainians a little bit more of an edge or is it something that doesn't make a difference, or someone was suggesting earlier that actually it means that somebody competent and dangerous is in belarus and now and they will add strength to putin's hand. >> the answer is yes to all of those, in reality from a tactical perspective is it affecting the ukrainian counter offensive in the russian defense on the ground, not really. the russian soldiers on the ground are too interested in protecting their own lives and saving their own lives, ukrainians are having to fight through minefield that are still there, tank traps that are still their defensive lines are still there, however it when -- it comes to the why the coordination, and to plan

forward because the russian military approach is a top down approach orders come from the very top and are executed at the lowest level there's new initiative within that what so ever so that's creating confusion in there and the ukrainians have an opportunity here they can have more confusion at an operational level by the straw-ing of their headquarters, logistic hubs lines of communication which will cause the higher command to be confused by everything that's going on and give them a bigger headache, that's an opportunity of the can explode tactical on the ground it will take a few days or a week or so for that to properly come through and so we are in the early days at the moment. >> let me ask you something, the unfair question, i look forward a year, where would putin still be there and looking -- what could we do in this

country are in the west to make sure that the balance ticks in the way that the ukrainians won? >> it's important to say first of all that we shouldn't be interfere in russian internal politics with a view to topple a regime but we want the russians to withdraw from ukraine and to become a more responsible state i think the main thing we can do is to ensure ukrainian victory on the battlefield that is where this whole thing will be decided in the end. >> thank you both for your commentary, we don't know what will happen but we will be on it all the time, that's it for this week's sophie rich on sunday in a moment after the break we will go through the interviews and see what we learn in the take. thank you for joining us this sunday morning. sunday morning get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention

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ridge on sunday, the take a chance to look back at the interview this morning and tried to work out what we've learned and what it means for the week ahead. well with me are clear elicott, and peter walker editor for the guardian. now i asked tom glenn whether the instability spurt up by the instability and russia should make the west consider how they support ukraine? >> nothing has changed in the government's decision in how to support ukraine, obviously these are concerning events what has happened rachel but as i've said we remain close to our allies, they have evaluated alongside our allies what has been happening and urge concerns of civilians to be

taken into account this isn't something that we would intervene, this is an internal matter for russia. >> clare, that is a hands up approach, i was surprised by that. >> i think that is -- putin any ammunition to say that the west is involved in russia's affair, they need to keep well out of it because whatever happens in russia it looks like putin has been dealt a blow and his authority has been weakened, if you wait to see it unfold it has to be a better position than saying anything they continue with this and we need to see how much putin has been weakened by this, we have prigozhin in belarus, but it was extraordinary yesterday watching what happened we didn't know what went on and it

makes sense -- make -- either way it -- and for the west, but you know russia was in peril like it hasn't been a long time. >> do you agree, what should we be doing, prigozhin goes or we give support? >> clare's right in the sense that it is a vetted interest for the uk not to get involved in the internal affairs of russia, and to get this information of wanting to go which is ammunition for the kremlin, the uk is -- there isn't much we can do. i get the sense and government yesterday that they were on a kind of high-level scale to all of us, all of us were watching it on twitter putin not knowing what would come next and everyone missing the same thing, watching the convoy advance

then turn around and go back. people in russia didn't know what was taking place, it was a dozen people in the entire world who knew what took place. but there is little they could do but -- i think be careful to not hope for too much too quickly because revolution, as everyone knows can happen in unexpected ways. >> an attempted coup, blink and you missed it. let's hear what labor secretary lisa mandy had to say. she hinted that in her view the government is pretty much getting it right so far in its response to russia's rebellion. >> i think they should be doing what they are, i think they are mindful of the fact that this has a major effect on russian civilians. this is a volatile situation,

very difficult to predict what it means for russia in particular, but what -- it has exposed the fragility of the russian government and it is clear that ukraine is winning the war. >> peter, this is a nightmare, the shadow leveling up secretary completely agree, annoying but is their opportunity here for the opposition to exploit? i >> don't think there are, except to get as spacemen spokeswoman as they can. uk would've taken this role anyway, but they're keen to position uk from a pr front, try to help as much as we can and that is a popular thing,

again i think they would have taken the same thing but from an entry point they can't at that much we are watching from the sidelines as these events take place. >> and there is almost nothing they can do except as mandy said there's not much we can do than what the government is doing. >> i tend to agree, what is interesting of power the mutiny is that -- it is dreadful but the wagner group, prigozhin he is not exactly a good man, he is a convict that was liberated from jail they've been accused of all sorts of human rights abuses, these aren't people we want to have power over nuclear weapon so the position here is

probably your enemy their enemy, this is from the standpoint that there are problems in russia but you can't support either side. >> okay, fair enough. let's see this is politics let's see if we can have -- let's go to domestic politics, john glenn the chief secretary and treasury the tax cut look unlikely given the efforts to bring inflation down, or under control at least with rising interest rates. >> basically we shut down the economy we spent a lot of money when we came out of covid we had a lot of interest to pay that has gone up as interest rates have gone up and that makes public -- once in 100 year and once in several generations the war in europe the government is here to deal with whatever circumstances are happening and we are taking the right decisions at a critical time,

they have endorsed a recent assessment of the uk economy. >> clare i'm getting on but i don't think i heard anything that sounded like a plan or an idea of bringing inflation down there. >> i think this is the real trouble the underlying prices, they can't do anything about it they are trying to -- the supermarket, but there isn't much the governor can really do. the public is tarnishing the government, the labor's doing well in the poll. the former chancellor and the man who should know about the economy -- needs from the government and the fact is that john glenn has a position that we can talk about tax rises yet, but if they want to the next election

they're going to have to do something that while inflation is this hide their hands are tied and there isn't much comfort they can offer to voters. >> we're hearing that the prime minister has advised a home owners to -- over mortgage interest rates. how are your nerves peter? >> you know it's fine i feel relaxed about this, i think in john glenn's view he -- i would be simultaneously miserable i would think it is unexpected because a few months ago they could privately say -- but hung parliament could take place the closer the election gets the tinier and tinier that zone gets and the more the options are --

we've had the mistress experiment of doing tax cuts when the public finances were not in a good state. so it would be politically -- we've had high inflation rates, people are feeling poor and suddenly this is coming and the questions that everybody asks for general election, do i feel financially better at the moment? the answer for most people is no. >> hey, we will talk about this after the break. after the break.

>> we take you to some of the analysis of the morning's interview, i asked the chief secretary john cohen does the prime minister planning to overrule the pay-per-view bodies in the next sector pay

awards. what happens as we have reports from pay-per-view bodies most of those have come in and we look at those and make an assessment, in the district we've had in recent months, we are pleased that several of the nhs unions have agreed to the agenda for zero 5% and then 4% to different changes across working practices, we will look at those pay-per-view body reports and that will be the prime minister and the chancellor working together within poked from me. >> clare elicott and peter walker, claire they are backing off the support for the independent pay review. they kept saying before you know, we support the

pay-per-view bodies suddenly not so sure it does feel like that. john glenn not making promises, the paper a few bodies are expected -- at the pay rises, looks like the government will be arguing this with the inflationary, the inflation is a problem we have to bring it down and therefore we can expect the recommendation. they will argue that they came out before we found out the inflation is stickier that the government had thought and they are not moving. there will -- they do need to pay rise and we've been for the past year, strike after strike after strike, they will be involved in this more the government is in a bind because they have said that they will follow the recommendations but you know that was their way of taking

the political heat out but now -- it looks shaky if they do that. >> hold on for a moment let's see if we have anything different from lisa nendah from the opposition. >> we would be asking the pay refused to give far more right to the recruitment and retaining retention that we make. we take seriously the recommendations that we make but we want to be seeking a constructive relationship with our leaders and our frontline workers to negotiate our way through what is a difficult, difficult situation. not just in addressing the issues around pay for frontline workers but also addressing the issues around working conditions. the nhs, for example, one of the major challenges one of the major reason people tell us they are leaving is because they cannot see light at the end of the tunnel. they are so overworked. as well as struggling to put food on the table. >> peter, the tone is a little

bit different, you know. we will work with unions, basically she is also saying that we are not going to commit to supporting the paid reviewed recommendations. >> the fact that she is making reference to retention is a big key element to which it makes the point that you can push down pay all you want but for the government it's almost the definition of a government that is in trouble, whatever option they pick there is no easy way around because they -- at the end of the year. they have to devote everything towards that. voters won't only judge whether they reach the target, they will judge them on whether it works. if things are going on and people go on strike all the time and conditions are getting worse, and they judge them by that to. if you are a public sector worker when inflation goes 60%, not only to 6% of to have less

than that you would imagine the chances are -- teachers, doctors go leave and do other jobs, and will hold strike actions. it gets into the situation where people say this isn't working and i think it's interesting she was hinting to me that she would want to give them what they want, weather -- only time will tell, it's difficult for labor because they have a strong imperative not to be seen physically to spend money but the have to keep these onsite to. >> ten seconds, do you think that he is inspiring any confidence yet? >> i think it's a real problem for them, the economies get better in the run up for election i hope that inflation reduces and they have -- that is looking very shaky at the moment.

>> okay, well sophie ridge, we will have the -- discuss by myself, the political communications advisor lower emily dunn and our program editor scott beasley. you can listen to that a little later on the sky news app, or if you scan the qr could on your screen you can subscribe for free wherever you get your podcast. thank you, claire, thank you, peter, that's it for us, to take this morning. 9:00 tonight watch our documentary.

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