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congresswoman jayapal on where reproductive rights in this country stand now. this is american voices. we begin this hour with a new stage of the war in ukraine. as russia moves forward from an armed mercenary rebellion inside its own borders. the latest, ukraine's president zelenskyy spoke on the phone with president biden just hours ago. zelenskyy calling it a quote positive and inspiring conversation. ukraine is counting on u.s. support for its counteroffensive against russia. with the wagner rebellion against putin could also provide an opportunity. lorenzo tundra writing quote since the beginning of the full scale invasion ukraine has crept internal instability in russia with hope that the turmoil could somehow undermine putin's power and result in the end of the war. the lasting impact on putin's power yet to be seen. but former u.s. ambassador
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michael mcfaul says russia could be coming closer to a compromise with ukraine. >> the idea that the only thing that we can do to end the war in ukraine is to give them a face sitting way out which usually translates to by the way giving him ukrainian tele-tory think this is a whole episode has really undermine the hypothesis. maybe putin will negotiate not when he's winning or not when he's given a gift of territory in ukraine but when he's using, as he just did yesterday. >> joining me now with the latest nbc news foreign correspondent raf sanchez. what more can you tell us about president zelenskyy's conversation with president biden? >> >> well, alicia, these conversations between kyiv and washington are ongoing in regular and they are happening at all levels of government. president biden spoke to president zelenskyy but lloyd austin the u.s. defense secretary spoke to his counterpart ukrainian defense minister today also.
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and yesterday we saw that general mark really the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff speaking to his counterpart here in ukraine. so this relationship is at the presidential level, it's at the military level and it is at the level of the intelligence agencies. in terms of the conversation between zelenskyy and biden earlier on today so penske describing it as a positive and inspiring conversation. he thinks president biden and united states for its supply of patriot missiles. the air defense interceptors that protect the skies at kyiv and other ukrainian cities. and the two presidents also discussed the situation unfolding in russia with prigozhin's rebellion. we don't know exactly what was said we have alicia, biden and zelenskyy taking different approaches. zelenskyy has been talking a lot over the weekend about what's been going on in russia. he's of course from eastern ukraine, he's a native russian speaker. and yesterday he put out a video partly in russian where
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he directly addressed russian soldiers fighting in the east saying listen, your leadership doesn't care about you they are playing power games amongst themselves. that kind of taunting is not really an option for president biden whether he likes it or not. putin disappear of his he's the leader of a fellow nuclear nation into the united states can really be seen to be cheering on instability inside russia, rooting for the wagner mercenaries. so president biden has not been in front of cameras it all over the weekend, he's been at camp david huddling with his national security team. but he has not been who we calmly terry on ukraine. as you also know ukrainian intelligence picked up signs that this rebellion was brewing earlier in the week. we don't know whether that intelligence was shared with ukraine or not. >> we know that president zelenskyy has been on the phone with president biden. we know as you said that that's happening at all levels of government. the message that president
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zelenskyy offered in russian to russian troops, your sense of how president zelenskyy, how ukraine takes advantage of the recent unrest in russia? >> well will the, the fervent hope of fervent hope of officials in kyiv is that the chaos in russia leads to some kind of opportunity on the battlefield here in ukraine. ukrainian forces are at this hour engaged in this long awaited counteroffensive in the south and in the east. so far, even with those wagner mercenaries leaving ukraine and going into southern russia the russian lines have held. we've not seen any evidence of large-scale military discipline breaking down or anything like that. so that is something a day of a disappointment for the ukrainians. but this is far from over and as matt bradley was saying a minute ago we don't know what the future holds for russia's armed forces in terms of whether these wagner mercenaries can make nice alongside these
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regular russian forces. we don't know how hobbled russia's military leadership is by the events that have unfolded in russia over the last 36 hours or so. so you can bet the ukrainians will continue to be looking for cracks in the russian lines both on the battlefield and politically and they will do everything they can to exploit them. >> nbc's raf sanchez and ukraine for us as always thank you. joining us now igor novikov former advisor to president zelenskyy. what is the conversation ukrainians are having amongst themselves about what we have seen in russia over the past 48 hours? >> we'll obviously any chaos in russia is beneficial and welcoming. but at the same time there's a degree of gloating but we are not mistaken and we haven't forgotten effect that the war hasn't ended because at the moment. odessa you can see it on the screen here but odessa is under
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attack drones in coming into odessa as we speak. so the war is far from over and any instability in russia is likely to cause putin to escalate this. further >> is there than an opportunity in this moment, you know presents lewinsky has been on the phone with president biden, is there an opportunity, militarily, or diplomatically here for president zelenskyy? how does he maximize this moment? >> well, there are two opportunities. any prolonged case and russia would cause the russian front line to be destabilize. therefore, the counteroffensive, that would provide extra opportunities to capitalize on the cracks that would appear. and make it easier to break through the defenses. diplomatically, the most important fact is that we saw that russia is no longer a monolith there, because of that, the entire world thinks the free world is going to be
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discussing what to do with the situation and preparing for what is to come next. >> what are the most striking developments, the most lasting developments from the broader rebellion, is it the leader of the group having the audacity to tell the truth about putin's pretext for war? also, the audacity to talk about the fact that there is not sufficient ammunition for russian troops. the audacity to talk about the disconnect, it's pretty well documented, between top brass in the military and russian forces. all of those truths, once they are out there and express by someone who, for better or, worth is considered a trusted messenger, that seems like a difficult thing to undo. and, i wonder if you believe that any of that will have an impact? >> well, i think it will have some sort of an impact. you have to remember, russia lives in apparel universe when it comes to propaganda and messaging in narratives. we know the russian army is now,
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as of, now the second best army in russia itself, compared to the wagner mercenaries, by the looks of it. one thing they know how to do well is propaganda. so, i wouldn't over exaggerate the importance of certain truths out there just yet. >> ukraine is going to be at the nato summit and just over two weeks. we know from president zelenskyy that part of the conversation with president biden has them making sure that they are in lockstep in the way that they are going to be talking about that. a few things, the importance of gaining nato membership, what that actually means to you, to does landscape, to ukraine. and, also if you are the one who is able to go and make the arguments, an argument that many in ukraine have been making for the past 15 years, for why you ought to be a part of the alliance, what would be your argument? >> well, first of all, the importance of nato, i think that's pretty much the only
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security guarantee. the weapons that we have. the only guarantee that we can help us sleep at night when it comes to the arguments i would make, i would explain to the partners that first of all, it's been one of the best armies and you have. we have successfully counter the russian aggression. on top of that, one of the reasons they have not been able to join nato is the fear of russia's push back against that in any shape and form. and i've just explained to him look, regardless, of you have played it safe or you've encountered, russia everything that putin does is a inevitable. you might as well play to your strength rather than weaknesses. >> igor novikov, and going through your twitter feed and all of your commentary on what is happening in russia, it strikes me that you and your wife are also celebrating your anniversary. so, thank you for taking the
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time to talk to us in the midst of all. that reminding us that life goes on even the middle of this conflict. igor, as always, thank you. up next, president biden speaking to ukraine's president zelenskyy today. an update from the white house. that is next. and later, with a whirlwind weekend in moscow, what does this all mean for ukraine? first, and eat a buyer with a look at the other big stories we are watching this hour at msnbc. >> thank, you alicia. the coast guard announced today has launched a marine board investigation into the titan sub about disaster. five people died when the submersible imploded during a tour of the titanic wreckage. let's complete the investigation -- it could be several criminal charges. in montana, officials are monitoring the yellowstone river after a bridge collapsed sending a train carrying hazardous materials into the water. officials said cars carrying molten salt filler and asphalt had been compromised. authorities and nearby billings are taking precautions with the city's water supply.
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forces are on the doorstep of kyiv and ukraine. believing they would take the capitol in a matter of days and erase the country from the map as an independent country. now, what we have seen is russia having to defend moscow. its capital against mercenaries of its own making. so, in and of itself, that is extraordinary. and, in so doing we've also seen a rise to the surface, profound questions about the very premises for this russian against and against ukraine that prigozhin surface publicly as well as a direct challenge to putin's authority.
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>> u.s. secretary of state anthony blinken weighing in on the dramatic weekend inside russia. publicly, the biden administration has been kawhi it about the rebellion and the alleged deal that brought it to an. and today, president biden called ukrainian president zelenskyy, the white house saying biden, quote, reaffirmed and wavering is u.s. support for ukraine. nbc news white house correspondent allie raffa joins us. now in addition to his call with president zelenskyy, president biden also spoke with canadian prime minister justin to know about the conflict in russia. what more can you tell us about all of these calls? >> yeah, alicia the white house is putting out a read out of that call saying that to the presidents call with canadian prime minister justin to know as part of this coordinated effort with allies to talk about the latest developments in russia. the white house says all of these leaders, remember, president biden also spoke with the leaders of, germany, france and the uk yesterday. the white house is saying that all of them reaffirmed their unwavering support for ukraine.
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it continues the counteroffensive with russian forces. that support is taking on even more of a focus now. especially as we really don't know exactly how this attempted rebellion is going to impact the war in ukraine long term. so, we are hearing right now that this coordination with allies is going to continue. president zelenskyy, for his part, also spoke and commented on his call with the president that happened earlier today. he put out this tweet saying it was, quote, positive and inspiring. adding, quote the world must put pressure on russia until international order is restored. he thank the president for his continued military support, they even talked about potentially more military support to go to ukraine from the united states. he also referenced the upcoming nato summit with iranian next month. the stakes of that summit are even higher as this is an
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aftermath of the situation. >> nbc's at the white house, thank you. let's bring in msnbc political contributor eugene daniels. he is a white house reporter for politico and a coauthor of political's playbook. eugene, talk to me about how the white house is handling this situation. the sort of push and kill for them of being careful about just how much it is they are saying publicly. >> yeah, the same numbers are nothing. like you said, alicia. there is whiplash in the administration around what all these leaders within our government and others trying to figure out what this means for ukraine. so much of how the united states in this administration thinks about russian its relationship with russia is through the eyes of what's going on in ukraine. the amount of resources that we provided. at this, point there seems to be this wide held belief that the insurrection will occupy the attention for a little bit. it's going to be good for ukraine. hopeful that this also shows
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there are cracks. anthony blinken, the secretary of state saying this earlier today to chuck todd. i'm there are cracks on the paths facade of leadership. there is some concern about others, putin who's known to not only speak clearly and calmly, put it mildly, might use the worst option at his disposal. he begins to see more of those issues and those kinds of things. he's a little concerned about that. there is some mild segments, no matter what happens here, as far of the cracks of putin, it seems like the relationship between russia and the mercenary group that was dwindling some of these forces in ukraine has deteriorated so much that they may not use them anymore. that would be these official statements for ukraine. >> there is a possibility that this is the end of the era of privatized military inside of russia. they're going to want to have
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more direct control of their military. the timing of this is really important. the fact that we're about two weeks out from this nato summit and lithuania. does the white house now feel that the contours of that summit have changed? >> i think so. every time there is a moment where there is a little bit of nervousness with our european allies about ukraine, it happens every three months. we start to think how worth it is it? how many resources should we continue to give as they follow the leadership. continuing down this path. and i think this is another example of how one instance and one issue and one moment can change a lot of minds. we will see when the leaders get together in a couple of weeks. it became much more important and interesting for folks who are going there and also the
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media going there to cover it. what it does do, it reminds and shows some of the european leaders that there could be, like i said, cracks, not just for recruitment but also some opportunities for ukraine as they continue to figure out of the counteroffensive. >> the european, leaders that's what happens. there's also what's happening here at home. i was struck by some of the what you heard today on the sunday show, specifically this from republican congressman don bacon. take a listen. >> >> i think we have a moral obligation to stand up and help ukraine. i think too many republicans have tried to stay under the radar. we do best we stand for what's right and what is truthful. i believe that ronald reagan's principles of strength, we get peace through strength, you've got to stand up and help out the little guy that's being beat up by the big guy. >> a republican member of congress saying too many republicans in congress have
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tried to stay under the radar on this. your sense, what we have witnessed in the past 48 hours changes the domestic conversations, specifically in the republican caucus, in congress about aid and further assistance to ukraine. >> i think it forces people like bacon to continue to speak out and to push his republican colleagues forward on the issue. to stop playing politics with whether or not we're going to be able to continue to give aid to ukraine. the people that i've talked to in congress also the administration, they often don't actually feel very nervous that there is not going to be aid from ukraine. there is a lot of blustering from far-right parts of the republican party. they say, you know, we're giving too much money. it's this in that we. should not be doing that. at the end of the, day when the vote happens, the vote has always. past and they feel like that's going to continue. we've also seen how the
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far-right of the republican party, over the last week, they are starting to flex muscles. so, that could change. including representative bacon, they are cautiously optimistic that they're going to have to continue to do that. how they do that? how much money is -- there still going to have to hammer it out. it's gonna be a lot of time until they're ready to make a deal. >> lots of questions. eugene daniels, as always, thank. you still ahead, journalist mark agustin on the impact of the failed rebellion on russia. putin's hold on power. plus, congressman camilla jayapal on the fight for abortion rights. one year after the reversal of roe. stay with us. ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪
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ukrainians on telegram this afternoon saying he's looking forward to next month nato summit. we also called for additional international pressure on russia after this weekend's armed rebellion inside the country. let's turn now to nbc's matt bradley, live for us in london. help put this in context. we don't even know about the history. >> we heard vladimir putin making reference to this. he made unprecedented emergency speech on saturday morning as this ultimately failed insurrection got going. he said that in 1917, armies overthrew the czar. and that's really interesting. they are returning from the front lines of world war i. returning and outrage to moscow. they created a revolution that eventually over through the czar and led to the communist state, the bolsheviks were the ones who effected this. that was basically a direct reference that he made. so, you could say that these are, the russian empire, died on the battlefields of world war i. it was a direct consequence.
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a century later in 1990, one we saw that it was the war in afghanistan, a lot of scholars, a lot of people who study russia say the soviet union also was one of the casualties of their flawed invasion of nab afghanistan in the 19 80s. it was the drain on the resources that eventually undid the soviet union. so, that's two times in the last century the foreign adventures, foreign wars by russia has essentially led to revolutions or insurrections or coup d'états that undid empires. and now, vladimir putin sees that. he knows this. he considers himself or sterilizes of self as a student of russian history. so, he knows we made reference to that 1917 insurrection that ended the czars rule, he knows very well that he is now staring down the barrel of a historical inevitability. this could happen to him. alicia? >> a critical moment for russia and for the globe, matt bradley,
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as always, thank. you shifting now to the u.s.. shifting now to the u.s. another important story. one year since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. and it abortion access across the country. new polling from nbc news finds most americans 61% still oppose the court's decision. the effects of that decision have had a real impact on people across this country. according to a recent survey of more than 500 ob/gyn's nationwide, 68% of them said the dobbs decision made the management of medical emergencies more difficult. 64% said the ruling worsened pregnancy related mortality moore's abortions are now completely bands in 14 states. look at the map. it bans abortion after six weeks of pregnancy, for most women. yesterday in north carolina, vice president kamala harris says there is a solution. it is congress. >> the united states congress must pass legislation to
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restore the protections of roe v. wade. [applause] when they do, presidential biden will sign it. with me now, camilla jayapal all the member of the house judiciary committee and senior of the democratic congress. thank you for being with. us we have been very vocal on the need to make abortion access a constitutional right. how does that happen? >> alicia, it's good to see you look. i think that the reality is we pass the women's health protection act multiple times in the house when democrats were in power and now we have a discharge petition on the floor of the house again for the women's health protection act and all we need is seven smart and sensible and compassionate politically savvy republicans to join us and we can pass it in the house. in the senate, we need 60 votes. we need to be able to carve out
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from the filibuster, the jim crow legacy filibuster that stopping us from moving forward on so many things, including enshrining abortion rights into law. that is the path that we have. and i think everything that you just showed on the slide shows us how intensely urgent this fight is. >> this, fight evil ways been very clear, it is personal for you. part of the reason we did that is because four years abortion rights advocates had made the argument that abortion is health care. i don't know that it has ever been as crystalize as it has been in the past year when women have had emergency needs, pregnancy related needs. simply not been able to access the health care that they need. you also saw the polling from across this country. do you see those numbers continuing to move in the direction of americans saying this is a fundamental right. even if i might not consider myself pro-choice, i now see this as extreme government overreach. >> that's exactly right.
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i do think that. and i think that the republican party, the maga extremists republican party that continues to try to ban abortion is completely out of step with people and the reality is just because you support the right and the freedom to an abortion doesn't mean you have to have one. most people believe the government and supreme court justices and politicians should not be in their bedrooms telling them what to do. that is exactly what this republican party is trying to do. so, they are out of step. also, i will tell you. as more and more people have to travel, i, mean right now, alicia, there are 25 million women of childbearing age in states that have made it more difficult to get an abortion. that means that every republican and every state needs to be thinking about the fact that there are people in their state who are not able to get, abortions they are traveling hundreds of miles, for women, black women, brown
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women. people who are particularly burdened that are having serious health consequences. i have also heard of many doctors and health care providers leaving states because they are being criminalized simply for trying to offer good reproductive health care. not even abortions. just advising people on emergencies and their pregnancies. things that people go through during a pregnancy and now health care providers are feeling like they can't offer the best care to their patients. >> to that, point part of what we're hearing from providers in blue states is that because you have all of these women traveling from other states into blue states in order to receive abortion care, you may have someone who lives in new york or new jersey and washington state who calls in order to get a procedure, to get an appointment. the wait time is now backed up for everyone. there is no one who is absolved or free of the consequences of this. i want you to take a listen to
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some sound from president biden. it is from friday on this topic. >> i think the republicans have made clear that they don't intend to stop with the dobbs decision. no, they won't. not until they get a national ban on abortion. if somehow congressman rick pass a national ban, i will veto it. >> there you have it. president biden wild applause and you prevent republicans in congress for trying to pass a national ban. the last 48 hours, if they chose, anything it's the amount that this administration has on its plate. the multiple challenges they are contending with. talk to us. when it comes to the possibility of something like a national ban on abortion, the role that the biden administration's place to put in the plate fight. >> well, they are going to be absolutely critical. look, i think it is possible that republicans in the house, the extreme maga republicans in the house continue to push for an abortion ban. they are completely out of step people.
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they might do. that they are just crazy enough to do that. i hope that would not pass the senate. certainly, we have a backstop with the president who understands how important this freedom is. we have to be clear that and our states, i'm in one of those lucky blue states where we are ensuring that we welcome people from other states who need to get an abortion into our state. it is it extremely difficult for people to even access that. we now have an underground abortion railroad are people who are helping others that need the health and need the money and ability to be able to travel. and i think the consequences are severe. the biden administration is doing everything they can. this is something that has to be codify'd by congress. that means getting rid of filibuster in the senate. it means getting seven republicans right now to sign that discharge position that's
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on the floor for the women's health protection act. >> we are also of course in the middle of pride. the push for protections for lgbtq americans re-introducing the transgender bill of rights. talk to me about the moment we find ourselves in. be conservative push to limit those rights. what you think is actually possible when it comes to proactive winds. >> well, it's very painful. >> i'm a mom of a trans daughter, a beautiful trans daughter. i was just out marching and seattle pride today. just to see people coming up and hugging me and thanking me for standing up, for their dignity, for their, rights for their ability to be fully who they are was deeply moving. i think that this is all, many of the same states that are banning abortion are also states that are banning trans girls in sports. we have a couple of brave republican governors who have pushed back on those bands. again, alicia, this is the
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craziness of this extreme maga republican party who is taking away freedoms. don't tell me that the republican party is about freedom. they are not. they are about taking away freedoms for people to be who they are and to be able to protect their own bodies and make their own choices. >> washington congressman pramila jayapal, thank you so much for taking the time to be with us as we mark one year. ahead, the wagner group may be on its way back to ukraine. there are still risk for that russia resume. what threat does that posed to putin's power. later, moscow post rebellion. what are every day russians saying about all of this? we will find out, stay with us. with us ♪ these are the people, who help you stay well. ♪ ♪ searching lower prices, ♪ ♪ and brands you love on the shelves. ♪
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collapsed in russia. this left russia in the world with more questions than answers. when all this means for the future of russia before it's president vladimir putin. ukraine presents lynskey seized on the brief rebellion to highlight the reality that his country is still fighting an unstable neighbor who invaded ukraine's democracy. zelenskyy says, quote, the man from the kremlin is obviously very afraid, probably hiding somewhere. not showing himself. apart from making a brief television appearance, putin has remained somewhat at large this weekend. to be frank, we do not know where he is. is that really a surprise? joining me now, staff writer at the new yorker and author of the book surviving autocracy,
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masha, about a week before prigozhin lost to his rebellion, you wrote a dispute between the wagner group leader and putin, quote, created a brief lesion of twice. an inkling of politics. tell us more about that. how precarious this moment is for putin. >> so, the last 23 years, putin has been in power for 23 years. he has been building a monopoly on power, i monopoly on pinnacle action, a monopoly on violence. it's only ground that the degree of this monopoly is a monopoly in that way. this is the first time that his monopoly on political action and his monopoly on violence has been challenged. what i was writing about a couple of weeks ago it was that prigozhin who led the mutiny this weekend was having a very
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public spat with the minister of defense, who is, in, fact the person who he was ultimately targeting it is insurrection. that kind of spat was the first time in many years that people in russia who have actual power who have things to say but have no power, the people with actual power we're having a public disagreement. that is really what a lot of politics is about. russia hasn't seen that kind of politics and decades. >> we talked about some things, it was surprising to you that we have not seen them in the past 48 hours? >> that we haven't seen putin? >> we haven't seen putin and we haven't -- seen >> -- >> well, it's interesting. putin, you know, we know how careful putin.
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is the reason that putin has had the stability that he's had is that his truly paranoid in a way that is safe for a dictator. that's what keeps them secure. generally, he sees a greater threat than he is in fact facing. so, it's not at all surprising that we -- he gave an address. he called on prigozhin's arrest. he called him a traitor. and then he disappeared pierre from the radar. his plane took off from moscow and disappeared. from the radar and's he is somewhere in hiding and one of the many underground bunkers that he has around the country. the reason we haven't seen is because it's more interesting. because prigozhin was demanding that putin -- it is probably -- what has been promised in the peace agreement.
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it is hard to talk about what happened this past weekend. it went through several iterations. there is the first iteration that was a mutiny, and then it briefly looked like a coup, and then it looked like an act of terrorism that had succeeded. the negotiations gave the terrorist and chief a safe getaway. he went to belarus and he found something in exchange. what he was probably promised was the removal -- of on the one hand, it weakens putin to have given into prigozhin. on the other hand, the fact that the russian army could tolerate that kind of uprising, what we are looking at now on the screen is the way people who are greeting people, prigozhin's troops, the seat of the military district of russia, that does not show to be a
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trusted and -- so, putin is really stuck. it's no wonder that we haven't seen we -- don't know it's going to happen. >> do you foresee prigozhin to be safe? >> i don't know. i think this is another impossible situation for putin. on the one hand, it is observe to allow someone like prigozhin too continue to live in russia, in belarus, even more in belarus than in russia. and ballerinas there is the risk of him forming an alliance with a notorious -- or else. on the other, hand putin needs prigozhin. putin needs prigozhin and
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ukraine. he needs him for his own protection. he also needs him to keep prigozhin's troops in line. putin can't imagine what would happen if prigozhin were arrested or disappeared. what would happen to the tens of thousands of men who are actively serving and prigozhin's private army? hundreds of thousands who served in the army in the past. so, this is really, putin might be better off if he could get rid of him. it might be too risky of a proposition. >> there are many questions that remain in this moment. i appreciate all the asterisks you point on every answer. marcia gessen, as always, thank you for your time. next, how moscow is moving or the rebellion. stay with us. wh itus
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>> yevgeny prigozhin, presumably en route to belarus waved off the chairs and last night. nothing new on the queue for the commander-in-chief, just some pre-recorded insight into his evening retain. [speaking non-english] >> [speaking non-english] >> as for the top military brass, the support of the targets of this coup, not a whisper. ceci enforces who promised to stand with putin arriving late to the scene. guarding rather aimlessly despite the triumphant motion and empty motorway breads. red square was still shot. and anti-terror precaution.
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for all the signs of normality, people still seem unnerved. >> the situation was so bad, it looked like people in the government didn't to know what they have to do. >> [speaking non-english] >> it's not changing yet. >> in the space of 24 hours vladimir putin has taken a major hit to his authority. who knows where the unraveling may lead. it is clear that the president anti-security forces managed to turn a blind eye to the dangers that a dangerous man represented both to them and to russia. yevgeny prigozhin in belarus is hardly out of sight or out of mind. >> unless he was dispatched there for a reason, a separate sphere of military authority
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from the ministry of defense, one that is crucially important to the kremlin. especially given recent rumors of the health of lukashenko. do the deputies are thin on the pitch details. >> what role can you see it goni prigozhin taking in belarus? >> [speaking non-english] if, so he remains a powerful leader, a violent man. prigozhin is not the type to bow out quietly. it does not feel like this is his final act. sky news, moscow. >> our thanks to diana magnay for that report. more american voices after this quick break. at the top of the hour, do not miss a special hour of a man. followed by special weekends
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next weekend for more american voices. for now, i handed over to my colleague ayman mohyeldin. hello. >> what a remarkable 24 hours it has been. so many unanswered questions. so many moving pieces. we will have to wait and see how all the shapes. up i think we can all agree we still don't know a lot about what happened inside russia. >> we don't know a lot about what happened inside russia. we still do not know a lot about what is going to unfold over the next 24 or 48 hours. >> absolutely, it's good to see, you my, friend thank you so much. good evening to you. tonight, on a special eight pm edition of ayman, vladimir putin's weakness finally and masks. you get a prigozhin's rebellion has exposed the russian president leaving him more vulnerable than ever before. how long can he last? is this actually the beginning of the end for vladimir putin? i will speak to former u.s. ambassador to nato and then the view from america with the biden administration is and isn't saying about the wagner
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